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Andreas Nodl makes Flyers as team cuts seven more, finalizes 23-man roster

LONDON,ON - SEPTEMBER 23:  Danny Richmond #49 of the Toronto Maple Leafs holds Andreas Nodl #15 of the Philadelphia Flyers in check in a preseason game on September 23,2010 at the John Labatt Centre in London Ontario. The Leafs defeated the Flyers 3-2 in a shoot-out. (Photo by Claus Andersen/Getty Images)

It's a busy news day today, to say the least.

In addition to putting Johan Backlund on waivers and releasing Bill Guerin, the Flyers have cut seven players, sending them directly to the Adirondack Phantoms.

According to reports from beat writers on Twitter during a conference call with Paul Holmgren this afternoon, forwards Mike Testwuide, David Laliberte, Jon Kalinski and Ben Holmstrom are among the cuts. Defensemen Marc-Andre Bourdon and Erik Gustafsson have also been sent down.

As a result, the Flyers have trimmed their roster by nine today. One youngster makes the team, and his name is Andreas Nodl. He had an impressive training camp, despite the fact that he can't seem to score as an NHLer. Either way, his two-way play and his defensive attributes make him a valuable fourth liner. That's why he's made the team and Guerin did not.

The 23-man roster is now set, thanks to injuries to Ian Laperriere and Michael Leighton. It's likely that Laperriere goes on long-term injury reserve to free up some cap space, while Leighton could also be headed for LTIR. We'll find out in due time.

Take an updated look at the depth chart after the jump.

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Philadelphia Flyers Organizational Depth Chart


Left Wing Center Right Wing

1 Scott Hartnell 4.200 Mike Richards 5.750 Nikolai Zherdev 2.000

2 James van Riemsdyk 0.875 Jeff Carter 5.000 Ville Leino 0.800

3 Dan Carcillo 1.075 Danny Briere 6.500 Ian Laperriere 1.166

4 Jody Shelley 1.100 Claude Giroux 0.821 Darroll Powe 0.725

5
Blair Betts 0.700 Andreas Nodl 0.850

players above this line count against the Flyers salary cap

8 Patrick Maroon 0.528 Jon Kalinski 0.875 David Laliberte 0.550

9 Eric Wellwood 0.580 Ben Holmstrom 0.750 Stefan Legein 0.816

10 Matt Clackson 0.500 Mike Testwuide 0.900 Greg Moore 0.575

11 Garrett Klotz 0.800 Zac Rinaldo 0.542 Shane Harper 0.600

12 Andrew Rowe 0.900 Luke Pither 0.600 Andrei Popov xx

13 Tye McGinn xx Dave Labrecque xx Mario Kempe xx

14 Brendan Ranford xx Michael Chaput xx


15
Michael Parks xx






Defense

1 Chris Pronger 4.921 Kimmo Timonen 6.333

2 Matt Carle 3.437 Braydon Coburn 3.200

3 Andrej Meszaros 4.000 Sean O'Donnell 1.000

4 Oskars Bartulis 0.600 Matt Walker 1.700

players above this line count against the Flyers salary cap

5 Marc-Andre Bourdon 0.875 Kevin Marshall 0.845

6 Erik Gustafsson 0.900 Dan Jancevski 0.520

7 Chad Denny xx Jesse Dudas xx

8 Joonas Lehtivouri 0.850 Logan Stephenson xx

9 Denis Bodrov xx J.P. Testwuide xx

10 Tyler Hostetter 0.526 David Sloane xx

11 Oliver Lauridsen xx Chris Zarb xx

12 Ricard Blidstrand xx Nick Luukko xx






Goaltenders


1 Michael Leighton 1.550

2 Brian Boucher 0.925

3 Sergei Bobrovsky 1.750

players above count against Flyers cap Key

4 Johan Backlund 0.800 on Flyers roster

5 Nicola Riopel xx on Phantoms/AHL roster

6 Brian Stewart 0.600 playing in Europe

7 Adam Morrison xx playing in college

8 Joacim Eriksson xx playing in Major Junior/USHL

9 Jakub Kovar xx playing in ECHL/low minors

10 Brad Phillips xx free agent

Just as a reminder, you can always see the above depth chart over on the left side of the home page by clicking the Organizational Depth Chart button.

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NOOOOOOOOODL

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Excited for Nodl, hope he gets some looks on the 3rd line though since it’s important to know if he can do what he was drafted to do, which is chip in offensively.

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, excited to see if the value of my game worn Nodl jerseys have risen at all.

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answering both your questions no and no. But I am glad he is on the team smart fast two way forwards with hands of stone are good to have and with Powe I guess having two is better one.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) I didn’t ask any questions…especially to you about Nodl

2) I’m sick of this hands of stone thing. There is a huge difference between not having hands, and not being confident. And I certainly won’t be relying on your analysis of any players skill set or skill level.

3) I’m already regretting responding to you

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously though I am glad he is on team I think he earned I wanted Nodl and Guerin and wave bye bye to Carbomb.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Geoff let you write this post because he’s into cuckolding?

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Almost, but it was up before I got the chance to ask.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is good news. I’m happy for Noodle.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully he plays on the 3rd line instead of Carcillo…

by sa cyred on Oct 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hope he scores a goal this season.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

He had that one on a chest high deflection 2 years ago hahaha.

I think I just made myself sad :(

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

good to hear. he was a good fill in last year when players went down

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

For what it’s worth, it looks like the Phantoms will have decent D and goaltending.

The forwards are another story.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Haven’t you heard about Testwuide?

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean soon to be 70 goal scorer for the Phantoms Testwuide?

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He scored a goal last night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Flyers will regret sending him down ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, get this. Someone with the last name Testwuide registered on the site, yelled at Geoff.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/9/13/1686786/why-mike-testwuide-probably-wont#48099557

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I notice that was his only comment anywhere on SB Nation.

people are talking about him because he does have a chance and who cares about how he is compared to the other players and to their college careers.

Such wond’rous grammar!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaun here is you Nodl tee-shirt based off this old Campbell’s add.

Andreas’ Chicken Nodl

With the tagline: Not scoring goals since 2010.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Kreider, here is another T-shirt image and idea for you.

Don: Throwing Bats at People Dissing Nodl Since Oct 4, 2010 1:10 PM PDT

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff’s man-crush on Boosh has to be the 1st member based tee-shirt just ahead of your hatred towards me I think we could at least agree to that.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You misunderstand…this is simply a warning to the Nodl haters. If I really hated you, I would have circled the woman in the yellow shirt and wrote Chris Lanci next to it.

If I hated someone I never met, I think I would hate myself. Do you frustrate the crap out of me at times, most certainly, but I don’t hate you…in fact, I don’t think I hate anyone I know, talk to, or interact with on any website.

With that said, if we are both at a BSH event, and you are bashing Nodl, keep an eye out for flying bats…but frankly, that goes for everyone.

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn’t JVR cost us 1.6?

by OrangeNblacK on Oct 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Only if we count his bonus money which he might or might not earn.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does he have to do to “earn” it?

@Mitchman88 on Twitter

by Mitchell Green on Oct 4, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

wink, wink, nudge nudge, say no more. Say no more!

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on Oct 4, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

… I was gonna go there. Then I thought about it and got a little sick in my mouth, so I didn’t…

Now I’m sick again.

by VorAbaddon on Oct 4, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just be glad I didn’t go with my first 3 comments.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on Oct 4, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So ....

Any guesses as to how the lines shake out? Does Noodle play 4th line, or does Carbomb? Who plays with Carter, since (in my opinion) having Zherdev and Carter together seems a waste? Does G play wing, center, or just ‘forward’, since Lavvy’s system doesn’t have such specific assignments and lanes? Will my dream of having G feed Carter’s high-slot shot for 50 goals in a season come about finally?

Hartnell – Briere – Leino
JVR – Carter – Giroux
Carcillo – Richards – Zherdev
Nodl – Betts – Powe
Shelly / Lappy (LTIR)

Pronger – Carle
Timonen – Coburn
Meszaros – O’Donnell
Walker / Barty

Boucher
Bobs
Leighton (LTIR)

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Oct 4, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Not liking the D pairings….and also increadibly suprised we didnt dumb walker and keep bourdon (which i cant spell) considering the last few games

by Cillo stache on Oct 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would rather rather see at D? We kept the top two pairs, which were the best defense in the playoffs last year. And the third is definitely an improvement.

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well mix it up, put some of the proven D on with new. It has to many holes, and the top two would be played to much. I say
Pronger-Messy
Timonen-o’donnel
Carle-Coburn
put walker and bartulis in whenever, and as needed do Pronger and Timonen

by Cillo stache on Oct 4, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

A pairing of Mes and O’Don will hopefully be satisfactory against most NHL teams 3rd and 4th lines. Then you have one of Pronger/Timonen against the teams top lines.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I daresay O’Donnell would take serious offense at your referring to him as “unproven”. Somehow 1100 NHL games doesn’t scream ‘newbie’ to me.

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Oct 4, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not that he isnt “proven” hes a great player, its just that we havent seen his chemistry on this team or with certain players. He might need also want some help from a vet to fit in on the team. And i dont know just was putting that out there (my origanal statement)

by Cillo stache on Oct 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have two pairings—or at least two D-men—who will chew up 20+ minutes a game. Your third pairing is only getting 9-14 minutes, anyway. Why waste your three and four there? Treat your third pairing like your fourth line: give them a small, specific role and make sure your better players decide the game.

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole point of shoring up the third D line was to take minutes away from Timmo and Pronger. it would be a waste to not use them.

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by Mike B on D on Oct 4, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take some minutes away, yes. Make it so any of the three pairs can be played in any situation, yes. Mess with the chemistry between the current pairings, no.

It’s still not an even 20 minute split between the pairs, and Sean O’Donnell can’t handle the same minutes as Pronger or Kimmo, if paired with them. A good third pairing means reducing their minutes from high twenties to mid twenties, not low twenties.

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then it was an absolute waste to go out and get any defensemen they did this off season. If you do not reduce their time on ice to lower 20’s, then ANY money spent on that 3rd pair was pissed away. Pronger averaged about 25 minutes a game last (regular) season, anyway. That is mid twenties, so it would have to be lower 20’s if it’s reduced.

I agree that the pairings should stay as they were. And they should be able to play in any situation.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on Oct 4, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the last sentence explains why you spend the money. The third pairing needs to take a chunk of the minutes in regular season games and, more importantly, allow less goals than they did last year. The upgrades should suffice to do that.

Come playoff time, it’s down to 4-5 defensemen, and I don’t want Kimmo, having played the entire season with O’Donnell, now forced to manufacture chemistry in the opening round.

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You switched over to argueing against me with my own argument.

I never mentioned breaking the pairs from last year. I said that the 3rd pair was built to take minutes away from the top 2 to keep them better rested. Which means they go from around 25 minutes a game to around 20. (Very rough and situational numbers). Come playoff time, you should be able to raise their time on ice up, but not feel the need to HAVE to hide the 3rd pair AS MUCH as they have in the past.

The whole point is to not wear down Kimmo and Pronger as babdly as they had to last year.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on Oct 5, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

My last response was lost. But it seems you’re arguing against me using my argument. Which is kinda like agreeing.

The point of boosting the defensive 3rd pair is to lessen Kimmo and Pronger’s time on ice during the regular season and Playoff time and keep them fresher. Preferably, I don’t want to HAVE to cut down to 4 defense men in the playoffs.

I never said to break up last year’s pairing. In fact it would be pure idiocy to do that, especially in the beginning of the season (except that Pronger won’t be playing for a little, someone will be moving up.)

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

His response about not breaking up the pairings was to Cillostache’s response to penguins fan, and then Cillo stache’s other post of the pairings with them broken up. You actually came in and started arguing the point Snevik was already making….just saying.

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by DLJr on Oct 5, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really want to see a Giroux Richards Zherdev line.

But then the third and 4th lines I’m not so sure about.

Obviously Hartnell Briere Leino should stick together.

Then maybe Carter JVR and ______ (nodl? powe? carcillo?)

the fourth line centered by Betts with whoever’s left…

We have so many D-men… fuck it let Lavvy figure it out.

Hexwall.

by Philly4Cup on Oct 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nodl is actually not useless in the offensive zone. On a line with Carter and JVR have a 2 way guy who can skate and has reasonable(albeit snakebitten) offensive skills might not be the worst thing. Especially if you see Carter and JVR having big/breakout years.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Oct 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to rub it in Geoff and DLJr

But I did see Nodl’s only goal as a pro

nananananana XD

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha. You know what was funny, that was literally the only game I didn’t make it to that year. But I DVR’d it, so it worked out. Everyone in my section gave me shit for missing that game considering I wore my St Cloud St Nodl jersey from his first call up on…they claimed I was his jinx. Who knows, maybe I am.

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. How many of Nodl’s games (as a Flyer) have you missed?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If its just that one game I may burst out laughing

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, literally just the one home game so far, not counting preseason of course.

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by DLJr on Oct 5, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should avoid all games Nodl is playing in. Just to be safe.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 5, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

kimmo rakes in some major coin

by NYflyGUY on Oct 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Some very well deserved coin.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly not disputing that, I just wasn’t aware of his salary at all.

by NYflyGUY on Oct 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is one of the most important players on this team. prob top 3

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id argue that he’s not in the top 3.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike, Pronger, …..

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt.

1. Richie

2. Pronger

3. Kimmo

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that was kinda creepy haha. But I’d even argue that Kimmo is just as good of an all around player as Pronger. nobody plays the odd-man rush better in the NHL then Timonen.

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk to most people at Japers (if you’re desperate) and they’ll say the way Kimmo ghosted Ovechkin during the playoffs 3 seasons ago still gives them nightmares

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember that perfectly and my roommate, at japers as well, tries to forget it.

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys, guys, guys.

HellOOOOOOOO:

  1. Richie
  2. Pronger
  3. Meszaros

Ok, I don’t mean to mock those who place him outside the top-3 (“Most important” could easily include Carter, Giroux, or Leighton, honestly), just poke fun at Meszaros

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. BOBS

2. BOBS

3. BOBS

Bubble: Nodl

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all seriousness

Kimmo is the greatest thing to ever happen to this team.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

most underrated player in the game.

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Apparently even in Philly

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha that’s what I was about to say. EA Sports doesn’t think too highly of him either. Before Prongs was here, he was the staple of this team. And now that Pronger is here, the attention is further shifted. But he hasn’t changed at all and he still leads the team night in, night out

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kimmo is the greatest thing to ever happen to this team.

I love Kimmo, but I disagree with this ….. Eric Desjardins

by ic0n67 on Oct 5, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was the second coming of Eric Desjardins?

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by Mike B on D on Oct 5, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

be that as it may, but Timonen can’t hold the distinction of greatest since Desjardin’s already holds it.

by ic0n67 on Oct 5, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

um…what about Bernie

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by DLJr on Oct 5, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parent. As in “Godsend goaltender that shutout to 2 cups.”

by VorAbaddon on Oct 5, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Howe.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 5, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Lindros?

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 5, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lindros rates up there, but he isn’t the greatest. The Flyers turned around a lot when he got here, but until Desjardins and LeClair and that other guy (Gilbert Dionne … ) the team really didn’t take off.

by ic0n67 on Oct 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can argue that they had to bring Desjardins and LeClair in FOR Lindros.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 5, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's gotta be

1. Briere

2. Betts

3. Pronger

Our team is that much stronger

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

and your top 3 would be? mine is richie, pronger, timonen

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would too.

My list:

1. Walker

2. Shelley

3. Carcillo

Oops, thought you said bottom 3.

In all seriousness, Kimmo is fantastic.

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by alcatraz0109 on Oct 4, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carcillos better than shelly and walker he deffinatly isnt bottom 3

by Cillo stache on Oct 5, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike, Pronger, Goalie (whoever it is)

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless our goalie is Luongo, Briggy, Miller, or fat Marty, kimmo should be higher then anyone. Hes a top 10 defensive-man in the league.

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt say best player, I said most important. Just because he’s top ten doesn’t, to me at least, mean he’s more important than the man between the pipes.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, a goalie will always be in net. So if I stepped in for the flyers, would I be top three? A goalie is important, but the way that the flyers are structured, defense comes first. Our defense saves the goalie, not the other way around.

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would still be in my top 3. No matter how good the d is the goalie still has to make the stops.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s wrong. The whole idea of having the awesome defense is so that we don’t have to have a goalie of importance.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the goalie isn’t playing well it doesn’t matter how good the defense is. Conversely even if the defense is playing poorly the goalie can still bail a team out.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, we’re talking individuals here. Given that “goalie” can refer to any of 4 current Flyers, they are completely interchangeable.

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess i should have said whoever ends up as the starter. I’m not sure who it could be by year’s end.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So right now, your top three are still Mike, Pronger and unknown starter?

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Its the biggest “?” facing team. i think it’s justified.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think the playoffs proved that it’s less important who is in the crease than who is in front of it. Boucher gets hurt in 2010, we still advance to the finals. Timonen gets hurt in 2008, we were dead in the water.

The sense I’m getting is that more Predators fans know his value than Flyers fans. C’mon, guys: he’s really fuckin good.

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea where you’re coming from. Because we have no idea who is best, whoever it is will be third most important to the team?

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever it is, isn’t Ryan Miller. And because of that, or until that day, our goalie is not a game changer/ as important of a facet to this team as Kimmo. Not many teams can provide two number one d-men split on two pairings to shutdown other teams top two lines.

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can be a game changer just not in a good way

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 defensemen? why? I don’t understand why they didnt just bury Walker’s salary in the minors. 1.7 is a lot for a guy who will (hopefully) barely see the ice

by njh3293 on Oct 4, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m thinkin’ Pronger won’t play, but will play before 10 games and 24 days.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I remember someone saying he’d be lucky to make it back by American Thanksgiving. Originally he said he wanted to be back by Canadian Thanksgiving.

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that is horrible to hear haha. Source?

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think it was Panotch or Frank…it was on Twitter awhile ago.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks(kinda b/c that sucks to hear), but hopefully he progresses more quickly than expected. So far, I know it’s been slower than expected

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as we’re not terrible in the back, I’m ok with him taking all the time he needs so it doesn’t turn into a problem. Besides, everyone knows all his power comes from the elbows, not the knees.

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. And where are you, Chi-town…talkin about elbows haha

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw some meaningful dates at me, Krieds

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canadian – Oct. 11
American – Nov. 25

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

:O

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noooo that was about Jordan Staal. That exact quote was used for Staal. Holmgren was interviewed today and said Pronger will practice with the team tomorrow and is “on pace” or some cliche saying like that for Thursday.

by rmg4519 on Oct 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will not ever believe homer, but that sounds better

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah for sure. Not that that means anything but it’s more comforting than Staal’s status. I remember that specifically cause I was really glad to hear he won’t be ready for Thursday.

by rmg4519 on Oct 4, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. SOMEONE tell me why the caps are never injured. Steroids…I think so ;)

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify A-Rod = AO

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario?

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m no conspiracy theorist, but the Caps two top players have only missed a combined 6 games maybe less to injury since becoming Caps

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so? None of them had a crazy fast recovery to a severe injury. Steroids dont stop you from getting hurt they just make you bigger. HGH helps you heal, but you need an injury first. I see no reason to suspect them as cheaters.

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was being facetious..

by phinally on Oct 5, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Homer usually tells the truth, Like how he believes leighton is a starter and how he will trade Gagne, he did fulfill his promises. Now, obviously him being truthful is more depressing.

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um… he never said he would trade Gagne and even if he said that about Leighton, he is not a starter.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

my sarcasm

you ignore it

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didnt ignore it so much as miss it

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truth.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I could have sworn about reading something about Panotch asking Prongs which T-giving and Prongs saying like “the real one” or something. Oh well, while I’m wrong, I’m happy if you’re right.

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wow I don’t remember hearing that at all. I probably would have hanged myself if I had, so I hope you’re wrong too :) There’s interviews up on the Flyers website from today talking about the roster cuts and they ask Homer about Pronger and he said he was fine, anyway.

by rmg4519 on Oct 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You realize he’s Canadian? Maybe “the real one” is the Canadian one to him.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alas, you are correct. So it can’t be too long.

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I said originally. He wanted to be back by “the real one” but Panotch said he’d be lucky to be back by American.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 4, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow from what I remember his prognosis was always return around the beginning of the season

by tmurder on Oct 4, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So maybe it’s Panaccio that doesn’t understand what “the real one” means to Pronger?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 5, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what, nevermind. I feel like you’re minunderstanding everything…maybe on purpose?

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably indicative of Pronger not starting the season. So we will be carrying 7 healthy d-men just in case. Once Pronger is healthy, that will change

by phinally on Oct 4, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope that whenever Pronger comes back he’s 100%, no use rushing him back at all. Plus shorter season for him means he’ll have more energy in the playoffs.

And maybe he does mean Canadian Thanksgiving, but we’ll see. I hope after he comes back we waive Walker, unless he somehow has some good games.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Oct 4, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he definitely can take his time. I just hope that 100% comes quickly.

by phinally on Oct 5, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really curious how Zherdev is used.

The guy is on a nice roll entering the regular season opener. I’d like to see Lavy pair him with Giroux or Richards. If he can start off hot and bang home a bunch of Goals early on his confidence might really carry him to a career year.

Like somebody said earlier, Nikolay with Carter would be a bit of a waste, and I totally agree. So based off that principle, lets try to piece this together…

We all Know Hartnell-Briere-Lieno is a lock. Richards is obv the top line Center. The first question mark we’re gonna run into is whether Carter or Giroux is gonna play center on that other line. Personally I’m gonna lean towards it being Giroux, I think Lavy is hell-bent upon striking up a chemistry between Richard and Carter. That leaves Giroux with Zherdev on his right wing. Then fill in the blanks with JVR and Carcillo on each left wing. Either way, Its gonna be a win-win situation, Giroux with Carter is pretty sexy also.

by NYflyGUY on Oct 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

...more thoughts

-what about Carter on the Left Wing? He shoots right, that shot could be deadly comin from that side with better angles on net. I was a righty shot with a great shot, always played LW and loved it. It creates great shooting lanes.
-didn’t even mention Betts. is it possible that Giroux and Carter both play wings? Goddamn this team is stacked.

by NYflyGUY on Oct 5, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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