Sergei Bobrovsky to Start for Flyers in Season Opener vs. Penguins Tonight
Whoa.
Sergei Bobrovsky will get the start in his first regular season NHL game tonight in Pittsburgh, Peter Laviolette told the team's website this morning.
Bobrovsky was understood to have moved to #2 on the Flyers' depth chart with the injury to Michael Leighton, so to see him leapfrog veteran Brian Boucher is a huge surprise.
Not only that, could you think of a worse setting for a guy to make his NHL debut? The opening of the new arena for the team's biggest rival?
How surprised are you by this move? And what do you think the rationale could be for it?
Update: Brian Boucher said "I was shocked" when asked about Laviolette's decision, reports Sam Carchidi.
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I really like it.
I think we’re babying him too much. He’s very young still, and while that means he’s impressionable, I don’t think that he’ll fall apart at this stage of his career. I don’t think he’ll get torched, either. He’s shown too much promise in the preseason.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
I think we’re babying him too much.
Who is we? Obviously, the organization isn’t, since they’re starting him against Pittsburgh in the season opener after only 5 games in North America and before he can even speak English. Or learn the delay of game rules.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Denis Lemieux, I tell you!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We as in the fans.
I know he has very little NA experience, but there’s not a WHOLE lot he’s going to actually learn in the AHL that he can’t learn in an NHL start. If he’s going to be a bust, he’s going to be a bust.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s not a WHOLE lot he’s going to actually learn in the AHL that he can’t learn in an NHL start.
So you want him to learn against Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, and Dan Bylsma? If you want a 22-year old kid to NOT be a bust, how can you justify throwing him against one of the best teams in the NHL rather than letting him learn how to play the game against the AHL?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to be a prick
But it worked for Varlamov for the first couple of games of a 7 game series
I don’t doubt that Bob can steal a game, but don’t expect long term success
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Short term..good
Long term…not so much
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Varlamov played 27 games in the AHL before playing 6 games in the NHL regular season.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
5 to 27
Although 27 is a considerable amount more, it’ still not a full season. And I still don’t think it’s enough to full understand the rules
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
5 preseason games v. 27 AHL games.
The point is that Varlamov is not a comparison for Bobrovsky. Even when you try to stretch it, it snaps.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Anti Niemi…went straight from Finnish league to American game, then demoted to the minors
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, wikipedia is misleading in stats
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he didn’t. No worries.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of both together...
Did you know that Varly began the 2007 Super Series as Russia’s starter at the under-20 level, but was later pulled in the series in favor of Sergei Bobrovsky.
I knew they were closely linked, but I did not know that particular fact, no.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand, is there a better way to test a kid for the big leagues? Would you rather him playing doorman? Johan Backlund sure isn’t the better answer right now, so I wouldn’t even bother bringing him up.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
A) I didn’t bring up Backlund;
B) Yes, I’d rather him play doorman against the Penguins;
C) Yes, there’s a better way to test a kid for the big leauges – test him up the ladder. Or, test him against lower NHL competition. Like the Blues. Hell, why not just throw Dom Brown into Raul Ibanez’s spot in the NLDS? Is there a better way to test him?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Entirely. And to be fair, Boucher is playing pretty well right now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
In the preseason, against marginal NHL talent. ;]
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, forgetting the 10 seasons Boosh has had in the NHL too right?
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its not like Bobs never played ever, hes had this years preseason and KHL under his belt, or rathur pads
But it IS like Bob has never played in the NHL ever.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
True. Just give em a chance it will be a learning experiance. Obviously there was a reason for lavvy to do this so it will work out one way or another
Ugh.
Yes, blind faith. All trust Lavy. He can do no wrong.
Excuse me while I bang my head against a wall.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I trust lavvy, but Homer has forever lost my trust. But what im trying to say is they are testing him to see
a) how/what he’ll do
b) if he will be able to be in NHL yet
c) in case Boosh gets hurt
Ok, but if he comes in, and he’s shit, and Boucher gets hurt over the weekend, figuring out that Bobo can’t play before Boosh got hurt didn’t accomplish anything except losing games where he sucked.
Not that this is the case, but it doesn’t make sense as an argument. Basically, figuring him out now doesn’t do anything, unless you are positioning him to replace Leights or Boucher permanently.
that is most likely what they are doing, upgrading for a younger model. On the never ending quest for a goaltender. And even if he sucks Boosh will still be dressed to interviene at any moment
But, if you are looking for this kid to be your goalie in May, this is still not the best way to go about things. That’s why this is a problem, not just because Bobo is playing. I’m sure everyone is thrilled to see him in NHL action.
Give him a chance, and no matter what we say it really wont change weither or not he starts tonight, and either way you have to support him because like it or not he is starting tonight.
And that’s fine.
Look, I’m not saying Bobrovsky should play in the NHL while Leighton is injured. But the rational everyone has thrown out for why it’s good he’s playing tonight is way off.
All those things you listed can be accomplished by playing him against the Blues. Or Avalanche. Or Ducks. Or Leafs. Or ANY game this month.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he’s playing here and now. And its too late to change that so why is there a disagreement over this?
haha, I didn’t know we can’t disagree because something is scheduled to happen.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Random question (mind starting to wander…cant take the 29 remaining minutes till game time) why is this in PDT not normal people time?
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats where I begin to disagree with this argument.
One game or a handful of games or even this one season will not make or break him. This one start is a great test, sure, but if the Pens put up seven he’s certainly not a bust. Nor if the same thing happens against the Blues or the Avs or whatever.
He’s not a bust this season and he’s not Bernie this season. He’s a young goalie with potential either way, and he’s going to have issues whether we’ve seen them yet or not.
He might as well work those issues out in the AHL rather then the NHL where the pressure is much, much higher.
But in any case, I’m fine with this start tonight. I’m excited to see what he can do. It might not be the way I would’ve handled it, but it’s not the worst thing in the world.
Now, if Leights were here, that’s a different story. I might be upset with him being on the club in that case. But Leights is out, Bob is here, and you might as well take a look.
Not that Boosh deserves this…
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha, a rational argument, quite long, typed out on a phone. Kudos, fearless leader.
I’m not pissed at the handling of Bob, but I don’t understand it. Start him against the Blues if you want to see what you have in him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It just doesn’t make sense to me to start him against a lesser talented Blues club, that’s all.
Like Travis said, this one game isn’t going to ruin his career if he gets torched. No better way to see what he’s made out of.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It just doesn’t make sense to me to start him against a lesser talented Blues club, that’s all.
How does it not make sense? You don’t know if he can stop pucks in North America. You don’t know if he can stop pucks in the AHL, let alone the NHL. So if you’re going to skip the AHL step and go straight to the NHL, how does it not make sense to put him in a better position to succeed? If he succeeds, you give him tougher competition. If he fails, you give him equal competition.
No better way to see what he’s made out of.
If he gets torched against the Penguins – which doesn’t ruin his career – what exactly do you learn about “what he’s made of”?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s torched against the Penguins, I’d say you get a pretty damned good idea on what he needs to work on.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And that’s any different from playing against the Blues? Or the Albany River Rats?
It’s not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the Blues or River Rats have some of the best players in the game? Not really.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re entirely missing the point.
You don’t learn anything about Bobrovsky tonight that you can’t learn about him against the Blues or the River Rats.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s just agree to disagree and be excited for his potential and the game tonight.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on. The only difference is the importance of the game. Penguins, Opening Night, blah blah.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And he did have a pretty damned good preseason…sans 1 start, which he isn’t at fault for. At all.
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So did Brian Boucher. But that’s 5 games against NHL/AHL talent. Translating a small sample size against marginal competition does not work at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the powers that be (Lavvy) actually feels the kid needs to be humbled a bit, so he’s saying, “Alright, Bob, you go out there and show me what you got!” If Bob is astoundingly good, BINGO, we have a goalie. If Bob (as expected) gets completely ‘torched’, then maybe he’s taken down a notch, and will take better instruction from Reese and others.
Or maybe I’m reaching …
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If Bob is astoundingly good, BINGO, we have a goalie.
How does 1 game prove we have our goalie. If he gets torched or has a shut out on 60 shots, it’s still just one game.
Is this the right room for an argument?
One game of proof is better than none. Oh, and against the Pens, on national TV, in the first game of the season. Can you get more pressure for a rookie goalie???
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, yes you can.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not convinced Varlamov is human, so the comparison is moot. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, it doesn’t prove or disprove anything. If you are easily convinced by one time things, I’m sure you’d love to bring in Jonathen Cheechoo…and that was an entire year of success.
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Hello? All I said was one game was better than none. One game certainly a statistically-relevant sample does not make. I get it. But if you throw the kid in, and he’s brilliant … why pull him out? Just so Boucher doesn’t get hurt feelings? When you find yourself enjoying sex, do you pull out of that if your dog is whining as well??? That’s my only point – we have no way of knowing ANYTHING until he plays. So let him play! If he’s as good as everyone seems to think, maybe they DO have the next franchise goalie. If the game brings him back to earth a bit, then all that can be said is that he needs more seasoning, and we have Boucher to carry the load until Leighton’s back recovers. NOT A BIG DEAL, people!!!
Any EAgles fans get where I’m coming from? I mean, you just kinda toss Kolb the keys to the franchise, and see what happens, right? (Barring the actual event, which was injury.) Same idea with playing Bobbo. Give the kid his head, and see where he goes with it!
Sheesh.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m saying you could accomplish this in any other game, like say, Saturday night. As Snevik points out, we tend to mismanage our goaltenders, and that’s the worry. And as Geoff points out above:
Look, I’m not saying Bobrovskyshouldshouldn’t play in the NHL while Leighton is injured. But the rational everyone has thrown out for why it’s good he’s playing tonight is way off.
All those things you listed can be accomplished by playing him against the Blues. Or Avalanche. Or Ducks. Or Leafs. Or ANY game this month.
Is this the right room for an argument?
True – I have no argument against that. And it may be easier for him against the Leafs or some other rotten team. But then – why NOT tonight? An equally good question, in my mind. Hit him with all the pressure you can muster: starting game of the regular season, first game ever in a hostile building against a huge (and hugely talented) rival, etc etc.
Also, perhaps the thinking is that the Pens actually don’t crowd the net as much as some of those other teams, giving Bobbo an advantage in this game? The main net-jammer on the Pens was always Staal – and he’s out of the lineup. Kunitz? Easily removed by the likes of Coburn or Walker. Neither Crosby nor Malkin tend to crowd the net – making this more Euro-style than playing a team full of grinders like the Leafs.
If the concern is that he’ll melt, what all the coaches have said is that this kid has ice in his veins. Nothing fazes him. Maybe they just want to put that to the test. - However, goalie mismanagement is definitely a concern, Snevik is right. I dunno, but what the heck. Let’s just see what happens at 7PM, eh?
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 7, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Crosby’s kitchen is in front of the net.
The main argument is that he needs more time to adjust, and that’s why you don’t have him out there first game. Most of us would have preferred Backlund to stay up and for Bob to get some starts in the AHL. Now that Bob has stayed up, rushing him in just seems over-zealous.
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why NOT tonight?
Accomplish everything everyone wants to (see how good he is, what he needs to work on, etc.) but do it in a position where he has a much better chance to succeed. And give the guy who didn’t lose the job in the preseason (Anybody remember Moyer v. Kendrick during Spring Training? Yeah, the incumbent was given the job).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Kolb was handed the keys after years spent backing up the starter. Bad analogy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A better comparison would be if Kolb played Canadian football for his whole life and then was thrown in as Eagles QB after one camp.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 7, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh, I like that one.
Is arena football taking it too far in the other direction?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
True enough – I’m not really a football fan (and definitely NOT an eagles fan) so I guess I missed the mark. Apologies.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 8, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I might be inclined to agree if he had an AHL season under his belt, but I think he could use a little more time to get used to it and develop. Obviously I hope I’m wrong and I’m rooting for the kid, but man, this tide turned quickly.
Also did anyone else notice the anonymous Flyer lined up against Crosby on ESPN’s NHL page? http://espn.go.com/nhl/
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by youaretheman26 on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not Carcillo, that’s just some guy. Carcillo wears different gloves and skates (though it appears he has two different brands of skates on…) than what are pictured there. I can’t make out the stick, but from a distance that is different too. It’s either a stand-in in a pseudo Flyers jersey, or it is a photoshopped jersey and socks on to a player.
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My guess is it isn’t photo shopped and it is just staged … the logo on the ice tell of the inaugural season for the new stadium. The Flyers have not been there right (right? no preseason there?). More than likely it is just some Penguins player/staffer in a generic Flyers jersey.
I’m excited that Bob is getting the nod, I’m sure there’s good reason. You want to win, especially the first game so Lavy must believe this is how we are going to do it. I do wish that Pronger was going to be around to help hold down the fort but the new look D should be fine. Here’s to hoping that Asham doesn’t get the game winner.
Wasn’t Asham’s status in question anyway?
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by OrangeAndBlackk on Oct 7, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
W T F!? I don’t understand this at all. Boosh continues to get kicked to the side by this organization and it pisses me off. I cannot believe this and I don’t see any rationale for it at all.
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Whoa is right….im excited to see but this soon…i know weve been searching for goaltending forever but still I hope Laviolette knows what hes doing
either way im excited…lets go flyers!
I’m inclined to believe this as well. I see this is, okay, what does he really have kind of experiment. I’d rather that be against the Blues on Saturday, but whatever. That’s the only explanation I have as there is really no reason not to start Boucher outside of this.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
damn it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This scene is running through my head, as Bobrovsky tries to learn the North American game

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha, I made my fiance watch this last night on Versus as preparation for the upcoming season. This was her favorite scene.
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The Censoring kills it
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“The Machine ate my fucking quarter”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does take away from it, and was frustrating, but since I only own the VHS, and no longer own a VHS player, it had to do.
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You don’t own it on DVD? Unacceptable.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m proud to have purchased it before I was legally allowed to purchase it. Unfortunately my money has not gone to updating any of my VHS collection, and instead has been spent on mortgage, taxes, new hockey equipment, etc.
Maybe Geoff wants to get me an early bday/xmas present…
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Pretty soon you TV will have a 10TB hard drive built in and everything will be digital anyway so don’t bother.
That’s why I’m asking Geoff to make the purchase for me Chris…get your head in the game, seasons here!
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I’ll throw in $5 for a purchase, if you can find it for that amount.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Extremely surprised. Maybe he wants the guys to stay in check with the young goalie and not turn this into a rat race with no defense like Game 1 of the Finals or last season’s opener.
Or maybe Boosh’s record against the Pens last year. 3 GP 0-1 4.14 GAA 0.861 SV PCT
Throw Pittsburg a curve ball a goalie then never seen before.
How has Boucher looked in the pre season? Honestly with his age and injury last year I never though he would play again. Maybe that has something to do with it?
He had a better save percentage than Bobrovsky.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I’d go advanced if the NHL kept even-strength save percentage for the preseason.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I KNOW!
I really, really, really wish the NHL starts counting that again.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they wanted to showcase Bob’s cool ass mask on national TV.
For those you who haven’t seen it yet.
This is blowing my mind
Is that a Russian MiG?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I don’t like it either.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It is in Pittsburgh … so more than likely since it is Cindy and Malkin’s home we’d hear “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling”
by ic0n67 on Oct 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Touche.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if Boosh had this helmet I’d still not like it. It’s boring an cluttered, the logo is cut off. He even uses one of my favorite fonts and it still comes off as crappy.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dead Kenny from South Part of Jay and Silent Bob or Blunt-Man and Chronic for that matter would have been better but as far as Flyer’s goalies go it is pretty damn good.
It’s still way below Boosh’s, Nitty’s, Hexy’s, Beezer’s, Lieghts’, Burke’s and Emerey’s WC one.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I don’t like the cartoony ones like Boosh and Nitty’s. Leighton’s new mask not they we will ever get to see and Emery’s WC are great. Hextall’s arrows were really good to. I don’t remember Beezers.
Either way it is better than Esche and Checkmanek and Emery’s regular one.
I didn’t mean to include Burke in there, it was someone else’s who I can’t remember right now.
Beezer’s: 
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It really isn’t, it is cluttered. It’s just not pleasing to the eye. My opinion of course.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Completely agree.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care what his mask looks like at this point. I just hope he can stop the F’n puck!
by SkookFlyerfan on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, Bob deserves it. He’s shown that he can be a competent goalie, and giving him the start is showing the Flyer’s trust in him. This is a GOOD thing, what Bob needs is confidence, and giving him the first game of the season against the PENGUINS is screaming confidence for him. That will make him play better and even if he gets lit up, it’s better now than later. Sure it’s good to have an AHL season under your belt, but having a few NHL games is even better. After all, that’s where he’s trying to get to. It’s a good move.
That update kills me. What’s a guy got to do to get some love from the coaching staff/brass of this organization!?
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I guess they are looking towards the future now. Boosh is short term and personally (sry Geoff) I’ll be surprised is Boosh is back next season.
I trust Lavy, and if he thinks Bob will give them a better chance of winning then Boosh will I’ll go with it. I was on the Bob plays against the Blues wagon, but if he thinks Bob will be better then Boosh against the Pens, then we shall see
No way Boucher returns next year. No worries, I’ve accepted that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d honestly be surprised if he remains here this season. But that’s only because we’ve shone him the door so many times even though his play has been exactly what we need.
I trust Lavy too but this is just stupid. The kid has only played pre-season games and you throw him to our biggest rivals on national television in a game they’ll all be hyped for because they’re opening their new bandwagon i mean building.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love that Penswagon shirt, btw! I might need that for going undercover.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, Chris:
I love how loyal the Flyers organization is to their players. Brian Boucher is very thankful for it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
He is still getting paid they pretty much saved his career awhile back getting him the Phantoms job so I doubt he will be bashing the Upper Management / Ownership anytime soon. This one is on Lavy. I am against this by the way too risky.
I’m sorry, I don’t follow. Simon Gagne is still getting paid and he isn’t bashing upper management either.
The point here is that any discussion of how loyal the organization is to their players needs to stop right now. It’s selective loyalty, which isn’t loyalty at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nepotism
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they USED to be loyal to their players once upon a time. They aren’t anymore. Perhaps that was a Clarkie thing, which died with the Lindros era?
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I’ll agree with that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, if we’re talking loyalty in Philadelphia, the Flyers are HANDS DOWN more loyal than the Eagles.
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Well, if you want to speak in terms of degrees…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
(Loud nose breathing) I hafta doabetter JOB of (loud nose breathing) putting guys in position to make PLAYS so (loud nose breathing) that’s on ME.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yup. He uses one better than Reid uses six. Amazing.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Flyers need to teach the Eagles how to use time outs
Phillies need to teach the Flyers how to develop a farm system
The Sixers need to teach the Eagles how to accept a rebuilidng season.
The Union need to teach the Sixer how to get fans to games without an all you can eat $10 ticket
OH, you’re there!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Blame the cap it makes player loyalty impossible.
They still traded Gagne to place he wanted to go that could have been much worse.
He waived the NTC completely. I don’t remember the Flyers proposing teams and then him waiving the NTC or stories of Gagne providing a list of teams he would be willing to waive it for.
There were a handful of teams, maybe five or six, that Gagne was actually willing to waive his no-trade clause for. That’s it.
He made it quite clear a few weeks ago he did not waive his no-trade clause, nor did he want to, but over time, there was more and more pressure for him to do so.
As he told the Flyers’ media, "I pretty much had no choice."
And, wait for it…
He believed loyalty, tenure and returning from injury earlier than expected in this year’s playoffs would hold merit.
There’s your favorite word! Loyalty!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks I was actually searching for those quotes. Thanks Geoof, I appreciate it.
Is this the right room for an argument?
No problem.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My dear Geoff, I love you. That’s all.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
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Blame the cap it makes player loyalty impossible.
That’s a cheap, lame excuse.
They still traded Gagne to place he wanted to go that could have been much worse.
So they get loyalty points for not waiving him? Seriously, stop it. You’re finding any excuse or rationale for something that isn’t there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cap is to Blame in all sports that have for lack of player loyalty it turns the sport into much more a business.
Your older players have to move on. Like Dawkins etc..
A) You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say the Flyers are incredibly loyal, while saying no team can be loyal to their players.
b) Brian Dawkins was a free agent who was not re-signed. He wasn’t forced to break his contract.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an issue with loyalty here. The team goes with whoever they thnk has the best chance of winning. If Lavy thnks Bob has a better chance tonight then boosh does, then I acept it. Look back at last year, Stevens’ “loyalty” is art of what got him fired. Personaly, I don’t think loyaty is something a coach or a gm shoud have. Besides, I’m sure Pitt has very little scouting on Bobs anyway or they think his style is more suited for Pitt then Booshes style.
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Hey! We agree.
Which is why I cringe any time someone brings up the Flyers’ loyalty.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agreed with USED to be loyal thing above but I think it is a cap thing not a Clarkie thing. Clarkie used to get criticized for his loyalty.
What about the Lappy job offer the guy played one year yet is getting some kind of position with the organization for as long as he feels like working. That is a loyalty.
I still feel Gagne is the exception not the rule. He is the one example quite possibly in the history of the organization where a player got a raw deal.
What about the Lappy job offer the guy played one year yet is getting some kind of position with the organization for as long as he feels like working. That is a loyalty.
He is getting a position in the organization? Where did you hear this?
I still feel Gagne is the exception not the rule. He is the one example quite possibly in the history of the organization where a player got a raw deal.
So a) You admit the Flyers weren’t loyal to Gagne? You’re dropping that stupid “They could have waived him, but since they didn’t, they were still loyal.” argument? Awesome; b) I give you Brian Boucher and Eric Lindros off the top of my head.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone tweeted it having trouble finding it. But it will happen if he can retire without going on the LTIR.
Brian Boucher not starting is not the Organization’s call it is the coach.
The fact they had Boucher back like 4 times now shows loyalty.
And Lindros bumped heads with management the whole time holding them to gun by only signing 1 year contracts and demanding this and that. Lindros didn’t deserve loyalty, he could have had a seat right next Snider right now, but he didn’t have his head on straight and never trusted anyone but Daddy.
And yes I do. Gagne got screwed.
And the I am just defending the reputation this team has around the league. I am not in the minority here.
in related news, what channels is this game being aired on? Its national, right?
by zachtbhood on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
VS …le sigh.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I watch the FSN Pittsburgh feed or the VS feed?
Choices
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
VS, no question. The Pitt announcers are the worst in the league.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 7, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh shit…versus it is. My other question: How long do you think their opening Consol Centre ceremony will take? Ive got class til 745
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d bet they start at 630 or so to be done by 7. Maybe not though, who knows. Definitely not 45 mins long though.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 7, 2010 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After missing game 1 last night, will be missing games 4 and 5 this week, u make me a sad panda
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 7, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit. Im in San Diego right now, I was praying for NBC, cause of the Pens.
by zachtbhood on Oct 7, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am shocked yet excited. I don’t hate him starting tonight but beleive they should have waited for another team….opening night, arch rival, new rink…..
I kinda wonder if Lavy has something against Boosh. Not playing for weeks at a time last year and now this. If I’m Boucher I am a bit choked about this, especially after playing well in the preseason.
Shaker
If I’m Boosh, I don’t have much reason to play well for Lavy except for personal pride.
Is this the right room for an argument?
If I’m Boosh, I immediately ask Holmgren to let my agent speak with other teams about a possible trade.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought not playing Boosh was a big slight. Now not starting him for the opener? Just tells me that the internal goaltending depth chart right now is:
1. Leights
2. Bob
3. Boosh
4. Backlund
by memphisbrando on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have finished my first thought: not playing Boosh in the Winter Classic was a slight.
by memphisbrando on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought so too, since he grew up in Woonsocket. But I understood that decision as a hockey-related move.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s not like Boosh was ever handed the startng role. He’d stil be the doorman if leighton was healthy, and most likley will again when leights comes back. You still have to honest with yourself and agree that Boosh is a backup in the nhl on any other team.
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I do understand that. But “backup” means “backup to the starter”, not “backup to anybody in the organization”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think your way over-reacting by saying he should demand a trade.
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I didn’t say he should demand a trade. But if you’re Brian Boucher, why would you stay in an organization that continually shows they don’t trust you?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
this is lke his 4th stnt with the team, and he’s a huge fan fav. Boosh s a competitive guy, who has always sad kind things about the team and the fans. Personally, I’d much rather him go out not ike a d-bag and honor his contract. Besides, he’s why be a backup on another team when he can backup on a contender? I’m sure at this point, all he wants is a cup. He’s a team player and I’m sure he understands if the coach decides Bob gives them a better chance.
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Requesting a trade is still honoring your contract.
And, if Bobo is valued this much higher, than Boosh’s days in the NHL may be numbered, anyway.
exactly
it’s not like Boosh is gonna get a beter deal then he is gettng now. It’s not hs fault a rookie came in camp and looked great. I like Boosh too much to want to see him pull a scott rolen.
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can we trade between sports? We should trade the best sixer to miami and get Weiss from the the panthers.
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best Sixer? … you have street ballers in high school during the 1950s that are better than the sum total of all the Sixers. Trading the best Sixer and a stick gum will yield you a stick of gum.
Elton Brand and Todd Herremans to the Panthers and Marlins for Stephen Weiss and Wes Helms.
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What I said coutnered your argument, it didn’t prove it. You can honor your contract AND be traded, those aren’t mutually exclusive. In Boucher’s position, he’d be dealing from a position where he is not useful to this franchise anyway. Requesting a trade when you aren’t playing is completely different from what Rolen did. Boosh could leave on good terms with the Flyers and fans this way, if the Flyers grant a fairly simple request and net a draft pick in return.
As Snevik said, requesting a trade is honoring your contract. And I don’t want him to go out like a d-bag either.
Everything else you said is reasonable. But it comes down to a critical question: Does Boucher want to not play for the Flyers, or play for someone else? Asking to talk with other teams can a) convince him to stay; b) let him play for someone; or c) let him play for a contender.
I’m not saying one option is better, but if you’re a pro athlete, don’t you want to play every game? You also want to win the Cup. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, so why not ask to speak with other teams and see if there is a contender who will let him play?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask Boosh how he feels he you are just assuming he reacts the same way you do, like a whinny a little girl.
Like Godfather said… YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN!
Update: Brian Boucher said “I was shocked” when asked about Laviolette’s decision, reports Sam Carchidi.
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Hmm, I read that as competitive athlete who wants to play. Brian Boucher performed well enough to give his #2 spot behind Leights, heck he probably outplayed Leights. So if he gets put behind the kid, and it stays that way, wouldn’t a competitive athlete want a chance somewhere else?
Is this the right room for an argument?
Tell that competitive athlete to stop acting like a girl and ACT LIKE A MAN! Sit around, getting paid to do nothing while your employer disrespects you the entire way.
LOYALTY
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s it, I’m going to have a temper tantrum then throw myself a tea party! Hmmph
Is this the right room for an argument?
Wow, tough choice. I’d go with the more summery chai
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Please it’s rainbow and pixie dust tea or nothing…now where’s my pink princess dress damnit!
Is this the right room for an argument?
I was just stating tea preferences, I had no idea what the context was.
But shavings of unicorn horn makes a nice tea
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Wow. Let’s break this down:
a) I’m not assuming anything. I said, “If I’m Boosh”. Not “Boosh is outraged!”
b) Why should I ask how he feels? Sam Carchidi already did, and he feels “shocked”.
c) Coincidentally, Boucher did react the same way I did.
d) You therefore just called Boucher a “whinny [sic] little girl”
e) I think the Godfather displayed loyalty, but I might be mistaken.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Not Like He's Never Played A Game Before..
It seems everyone is forgetting that BOB did pretty well (for a crappy team) in the KHL for 2 years. The KHL is a higher level of hockey than the AHL, so I don’t buy the argument that he should start there for “seasoning” The seasoning argument may be true for someone coming from the NCAA or Canadian Juniors, but the KHL is arguably one of the top 2 or 3 leagues in the world. I wouldn’t have had a problem if he had been sent down to get acclimated to the NHL sized rinks, but apparently Jeff Reese feels he’s ready, and after what Reese has done with Leight’s and Boosh, whom am I to argue
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Nobody is forgetting that Bobrovsky played well in the KHL. What you’re ignoring, however, is that the KHL is an entirely different style of play from the NHL, AHL, ECHL, QMJHL, WHL, CHL, OHL, NCAA, and any other league located in Canada or the United States.
And I haven’t seen anybody argue that Bobrovsky should start in the AHL for “seasoning”, but rather to “learn how to play North American hockey.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And I haven’t seen anybody argue that Bobrovsky should start in the AHL for "seasoning", but rather to "learn how to play North American hockey."
I am arguing it. Bob may have played in the KHL but he didn’t play that many games there, he needs to learn how to handle 60+ games a year. Learning the North American game is more important, but we all saw what happened to JVR the 2nd half of the year, Bob needs to make his mistakes where quite frankly… they don’t really matter.
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Okay, there you go. And I agree with you :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobrovsky should start in the AHL for "seasoning"
He just needs to build a spice rack, which he can do right here in Philadelphia.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Anybody’s guess why Lavy went this route? My best guess is playing a rookie might make the team give more effort rather than depending on Boosh to bail them out. A wild guess? Yes, but it’s my best one.
on the bright side...
Does this mean Zherdev is happy and will score a hat-trick in his Flyers debut??
I just don't get it
Boosh is the rationale choice on many levels (experience, mental toughness, seniority, good preseason play) but I guess Lavy wants to roll the dice and start something inspirational early. If this kid kicks some butt, confidence inside and outside the team will skyrocket.
I’m not going to bother with words. You know I’m upset. Boosh gets screwed, and we mishandle a young goalie.
Do we lead the league in rookie goaltender starts since Bernie left? Peeters, Pelle, Hextall, Boosh, Cechmanek, etc
Well, to be fair, three of those guys won the Vezina trophy. (Peeters won it with Boston in 1983.)
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I feel bad for Boosh, he wassolidas good as the unproven rookie we are now starting during preseason.
Since, you know, they had basically the same numbers.
by Snevik on Oct 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Without Pronger
i dislike this move greatly, they need the veteran goalie in there till he gets back to help shore up the defense
The worst part is that if Bob has a bad night he will be blamed fully not the organiation and coaching staff for putting in him in when he may not be ready.
Excellent point.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not gonna say anything about the move because no matter what side I take half the fans will flip shit. I’m just gonna say that I trust Lavy’s opinion and think it’s more of a matchup move then anything else.
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haha, it’s quite alright to say you are excited for Bobrovsky’s playing (as I am). It’s the whole “he’s ready; he deserves it; he doesn’t need the AHL; etc.” arguments that will get you in trouble.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I am excited for Bob, but I still agree the Boosh is the “safer” goalie.
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Yeah I think everyone is excited for Bob…I think the split comes where Geoff says:
It’s the whole "he’s ready; he deserves it; he doesn’t need the AHL; etc." arguments that will get you in trouble.
and you say:
but I still agree the Boosh is the "safer" goalie.
So we have all agreed twice now in this thread…should we mark this occasion?
Is this the right room for an argument?
I am going to take a different route for tonight’s game.
Puts on tin foil hat.
I am guessing that Bettman made a Deal with Homer that will give us the #1 draft pick next year just as long as we start our “Rookie” goalie so his boys can win their Home opener in their new arena.
Takes off tin foil hat.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
To me, this is as shocking as pulling Goldberg and putting in Julie “The Cat” Gaffney during the shootout.
You didn’t see that plot twist coming???
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the heck is Bob?
I’m curious what they make of this move in Pittsburgh. I’m sure they were expecting Boosh, but I haven’t seen a single comment to the news about Bob on the Pensburgh site since it was announced late morning. It’s either a brilliant move, or a total fail. I guess we’ll have an active board tomorrow morning to dissect the game.
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well, most teams in a goalie controversy like ours will wait till the last minute to annonce a starter, especially when you choose the unlikely goale. gives the opposition less time to prepare
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I think what this comes down to is the fact that Laviolette and the Flyers management desperately wants Bobrovsky to steal this job.
And I guess it’s understandable. I like Boucher, but we know what he is, and what he’s not. And he’s not a legitimate #1 goalie. Whereas Bobrovsky has more natural ability, and has the unknown factor going for him – he could be a #1, we just don’t know. They want him to be their Niemi, even though the comparison doesn’t hold up (younger, less experienced).
It’s probably too early for Bob. But this move shows that Lavy and management do not think that a team with Boucher as the #1 goalie can win a Cup. While I think they’re right, the frustrating part is that if they don’t think Boucher can win a Cup, then they should think the same regarding Leighton, and I suspect they continue to have more faith in him than they should.
nah … it is all coming together … I got it … The Flyers did well last year and Pittsburgh didn’t get another cup so the NHL had the Flyers tell Laviolette to play Bob which will immediately help the Penguins out, but he will stick with him and cause the Flyers to fire him 14 games into the season and he will be replace by former player Riley Cote and the Flyers won’t be good again for another 15 years when Cindy is in the twilight of his career … it all makes sense now …
I wish I had a response, but I don’t. I just nodded as I read it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the frustrating part is that if they don’t think Boucher can win a Cup, then they should think the same regarding Leighton, and I suspect they continue to have more faith in him than they should.
Couldn’t agree more.
Is this the right room for an argument?
But this move shows that Lavy and management do not think that a team with Boucher as the #1 goalie can win a Cup. While I think they’re right, the frustrating part is that if they don’t think Boucher can win a Cup, then they should think the same regarding Leighton, and I suspect they continue to have more faith in him than they should.
I actually think the frustrating part is that, even if you don’t trust Boucher to win you a Cup, that won’t matter for another five months. If anything, the silver lining to this move is that you might be wrong—they might not trust Leights, either, and are hoping for a Hextallian take-over by Bobo.
I’d like to think that, but if they didn’t trust him, then why did they sign him to a two-year contract? Ugh.
Well, it’s a silver lining on a pile-of-shit offseason. It’s obviously inefficient use of resources, but since the money is already spent, might as well get the best product out there.
(I don’t want to get into the details of Bobo’s contract re: the NHL salary. Suffice to say, if he turns out to be a starter, 1.75 isn’t all that bad, and we can make it work.)
His salary is only $900k, with $850k in potential performance bonuses.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, sorry. I sincerely apologize.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the bet the bonus clause is based on starting the first game of the season?
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haha that thought crossed my mind
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any way to dig out the details of Bob’s, JVR’s and O’Donnell’s bonuses?
I imagine O’Donnell’s is linked to number of games played? Other than that, the performances for the other two could be anything.
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None that I’m aware of. If it isn’t on CapGeek, I don’t know.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bum
Have you seen the new feature on CapGeek, where you can find out individual players daily salary? That’s pretty depressing knowing Meszaros makes more in USD in one day, than I make in a year in NZD.
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I haven’t seen that yet, but I really want to now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are looking way to much into this. It is one game the 1st game I don’t think it states one thing about trust and the playoffs and the cup. And it is The COACHES CALL not the GM or the ownership.
In Lavy I Trust.
Shocking. Utterly shocking.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You seriously think you are not over-reacting here a little. It doesn’t mean anything who knows why Lavy started him. He will eventually answer the question. I have to think the coach has some kind of plan and based on the results and his success as a coach I think he knows what he is doing.
But to say this a major slap in the face to Boucher and that he should demand a trade and refuse to play for the evil organization ever again is ridiculous.
But to say this a major slap in the face to Boucher and that he should demand a trade and refuse to play for the evil organization ever again is ridiculous.
That absolutely is ridiculous. And since I didn’t say it, I think it’s laughable as well.
But it’s completely shocking that you’re willing to just go with the flow and agree on blind faith. Shocked, I say.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Blind faith made Brett Farve one of the most successful QB’s ever. Seriously, he just closes his eyes and throws deep every play.
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Farve most successful in terms of personal stats and time on ESPN but serious the guy won one championship like 13 years ago with a loaded team. He has been completely over-rated since the year 2000.
When McNabb is QB of the Vikings next year and has Peterson and all those weapons at WR Moss, RIce, Harvin. That D and O-Line. Look out.
Are you suggesting Farve would go away? That umpossible … that means he would have to go the the Lions or the Bears for revenge on two teams.
Brett Favre will never die until he decides to stop breathing.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But he will decide to stop breathing and then decide at the last minute he wants to give it one last college try and start breathing again.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”
(Your winnings, sir)
“Oh, thank you very much.”
I don’t agree with it but I don’t think it is that big of a deal in grand scheme of things.
And doesn’t mean anything in terms of what the Lavy thinks of Boosh as a goalie.
And I was exaggerating what you said.
I guess it’s all relative to what you consider “the grand scheme of things”.
But let me say something I’m sure I’ll regret: You speak a lot about loyalty, but a word that is closely associated with that is “honor”. Not as in “honorable”, but to bestow an honor upon someone.
Why wouldn’t the team honor Boucher by, or grant him the honor of, starting the season opener? A guy who has bounced around the league, sometimes even out of it, but always found his way back to Philadelphia. A loyal soldier last year while sitting in the press box or on the bench, who deals with the team slumping in front of him, then returns to take the team to the playoffs, when they were one save away fro missing entirely.
If Leighton is “honored” and “shown loyalty” by getting a contract, when he goes down, why isn’t Boucher “honored” and “shown loyalty” by starting the first game of the season as a “thanks, Brian”?
So, long story: Maybe it doesn’t say anything about what Lavy thinks of Boosh as a goalie, but maybe it speaks more to what the organization – Lavy included – think about Boucher as a person.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still trying to believe that Lavy simply believes the team has a better chance to win with Bob in net rather than Boosh. I haven’t accepted that theory yet, but I’m trying.
Well, I think most would agree that Bob has NHL-quality physical ability. We will find out shortly if his confidence and adaptability are NHL-quality, too.
by memphisbrando on Oct 7, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God I have lots of beer at home, I have a feeling I am going to need it.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
nahh. Kimmo is just as good as Pronger, and Carel, Coburn, and Mez are solid. O’donnell is a beast, and our Latvian brother is back too. no need to worry, its still the best D in the NHL.
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Objectively speaking, I think the Flyers did this because:
- The Penguins like to pass the puck; and,
- Bobrovsky is extremely quick.
They are betting on Bobs to cover for the Pronger-less defense, who will likely give up more opportunities than a fully Pronger’d defense. I can’t help but wonder that if Pronger were playing, then they might play Boosh because the D would ostensibly give up fewer opportunities.
Boosh is fundamentally very sound and had a very good preseason, but his lateral movement just ain’t what she used to be. And since the Pens are highly skilled and pass the puck around often before shooting, the Flyers figure that Bobs will do a better job of stopping pucks that are passed from one side of the net to the other.
Bobs had a good preseason, and Lavy remembers last year’s playoffs well. He remembers that Halak allowed the Habs to beat the Pens because he was so quick in the net. Only a hot reflex goalie was going to beat the Pens and Caps last year, and so one did.
I’m not commenting on Boucher, other than to say that I hate how the organ-eye-zation treats its loyal soldiers.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Coaches play favorites.
Coaches play favorites, and my guess is that Lavy likes Bobs better than Boosh. And since he Tweeted that he was shocked, Lavy didn’t even give him the respect to tell him first that he wasn’t starting. Boosh will probably get the start on the 11th, I hope. But even if Boosh is the #2 goalie, he should have gotten the season opener as his game, after all, he deserves it. And unfortunately, no matter how good Boosh is, Lavy will think the grass is greener on Bobs’ ass just because he is playing favorites.
Question
Why wasnt Bobs drafted in an amateur draft? I mean, he should have been in the same draft year as Giroux, right? Did it have something to do with being in the KHL before he was eligible for the draft, or was he just not a top prospect until recently?
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After a certain age (26?) a player is a free agent and can sign with anybody.
That is also why Bobs is paid $1.75 million each year, and not an entry level contract at $500k.
by NickFotiu4HOF on Oct 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my bad, I thought he was older
I looked up 2 seconds after posting.
by NickFotiu4HOF on Oct 7, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
BOB is only 22 so that age is way off.
Also here is his bio on Wikipedia that site is on top of things.
He signed a three-year entry level contract with the Flyers on May 6, 2010 after starting his professional career with Metallurg Novokuznetsk.1 After impressing coaches during training camp, Flyers head coach Peter Laviolette named Bobrovsky the starting goaltender for the opening game of the 2010-2011 regular season against the Pittsburgh Penguins on October 7, 2010. He replaced the injured starter Michael Leighton on the roster. This marked Sergei’s NHL debut.
After reading that I feel like I just read a newspaper from the future. Past tense about things that haven’t happened yet.
Whoa
is right.
All I can say is: poor Boosh, foolish management, let’s go Bob.
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Wow. I did not expect this today. Stupid Flyers trying to upstage Roy’s no-hitter.
Personally, I do not agree with this decision. I’d most prefer him to the AHL, but seeing as that is not an option, I’d rather him start against St. Louis or someone as opposed to Pittsburgh, but whatever. One game, regardless of the opponent, is not going to make or break a career. Go Bob!
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
this hardly upstages roy's no no...
and why should he be relagated to the ahl if he’s nhl ready??? if he’s the better player… then let him play… the notion of bringing a plaer along slowly is a falacy…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Oct 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If he is the best goalie we have, and they would know better than any of us, why shouldn’t he play?
by orangeandblack20 on Oct 7, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
1) There is literally no one who can tell you if he’s the best goalie we got. There isn’t a sample size to base that opinion on until he actually plays NHL hockey. Even then, the argument against not starting him would not even reference whether you not Boucher is necessarily better, or whether or not either one will necessarily have a better game. Everything single variable of the decision is simply risk management.
2) Further, my personal argument is that you make the decision not that gives you the best chance of winning tonight, but that gives you the best chance of winning the Stnaley Cup this year, and every year in the future. You don’t have to take that opinion to level criticism at the decision, and perhaps you shouldn’t (as it’s some grandiose shit to lay at the feet of a depth chart move before the first regular season game is played). I don’t personally believe starting him this one game matters either way, but I want to say, theoretically, we’re making the right decision—or, at very least, be able to argue about it.
1) There is literally no one who can tell you if he’s the best goalie we got. — yes there is… the coaches who have seen Boosh for a half year and Bob for a full preseason. If a coach can’t tell who’s better in a pre-season he’s not a coach.
by orangeandblack20 on Oct 7, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaches aren’t infallible. Like when they thought Ray Emery was healthy and/or a better option than Boucher/Leighton.
And if coaches will base their “who’s better” decisions on 5 games – where both guys put up similar numbers – I don’t really want to know what they base the rest of their decisions on.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
great move!!!!
the entire team will be up for this game… he’ll be just fine… much better than having booosh the human seive in goal to open the season.
by Elmo the faithful fan on Oct 7, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah that bum didn’t do anything for us last year.
Look, there is no way of knowing who would have had the better game tonight. But Boosh has literally saved a season for us, twice, and has proven to be the guy if the starter goes down at the NHL level.
I’m excited about Bob tonight too, but seriously, that was ridiculous.
Is this the right room for an argument?
You must admit – the team played poorly in front of Boosh last season (compared to in front of Leighton, Emery, Backlund, and whomever else they had in goal – I can’t keep track). But characterizing him as the human sieve is a mite harsh, don’t you think? He did have a record-breaking shutout streak in the NHL (albeit not with the Flyers), ya know.
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