Flyers Open CONSOL Right, Beat Penguins Behind Bobrovsky
- Bobrovsky was impressive, there's no doubt about that. But as said earlier, he got a lot of help from the posts and his defense helped him a couple of times. He played well enough to start again in the next week, while working on the things everyone knows he has to work on - traffic in front of the net, wide angle shots, and covering the top half of the net.
- The defense was less than stellar, but there wasn't really a glaring weakness. All three of Sean O`Donnell, Oskars Bartulis, and Andrej Meszaros had their suspect moments, but none of them were especially awful. As a unit, though, only Matt Carle was particularly impressive.
- Nik Zherdev was pretty quiet tonight. Both of his linemates were noticeable, so his invisibility will just be left without comment.
- Jody Shelley played 6:22 tonight. With an ill-timed penalty. That is all.
- The trio of Blair Betts (2 for 11), Mike Richards (5 for 16), and Danny Briere (4 for 12) were miserable in the faceoff dot tonight. Again, there isn't much to say other than that being unacceptable.
- Speaking of Richards, he didn't have a single shot all night. Playing on a line with Jeff Carter (3 shots) seems to have taken a toll.
- Lastly, that whole line (Carcillo - Richards - Carter) was pretty bad all night. They were out against the Crosby line fairly often - holding him to only 2 shots - so maybe they deserve a pass, but definitely something to keep an eye out for on Saturday.
Questions with Answers
- The opening night start belongs to Sergei Bobrovsky. Are nerves an issue? At first, it looked like it. He definitely calmed down quickly, settling in for a solid debut.
- How does the penalty kill look without Ian Laperriere? The Penguins were 1 for 5 on the Power Play, and Giroux added a short-handed tally as well, so I'd say pretty good. Darroll Powe looked especially impressive down a man, but with Blair Betts in the box at the end of the game, Andreas Nodl could have helped out a bit.
- Does Chris Pronger play? No.
- Will the Flyers shut down Crosby? No points on only two shots? Yes. Braydon Coburn and Mike Richards deserve a lot of credit for that.
- Can the Flyers christen the Pens new arena with a big win? Hell yes.
Comment of the Night
You should put Hartnell’s wife in the net. Sure he’d hit that.
Katchis, In response to Jeff Carter missing the net.
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DNFlyers Claude Giroux had an x-ray after the game on his ankle. He was hit with a shot. Paul Holmgren says it is nothing, without seeing results.
/facepalm
by Prometheus74 on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, come on guys, it’s nothing. Obviously.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d prefer to stay positive on this one.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Post on pensburgh, see they know the truth
Rough game. No luck with the puck, no luck with the officials. It happens sometimes, and the Flyers are a good team, without doubt. That said, next time we play, they’re going down!
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by cyroose on Oct 7, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions
True but you’d think we’d get more calls and luck for the opening of CEC
by #87isGOD on Oct 7, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The check obviously didn’t clear before the game. Drag.
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No need to lie, It bounced because you guys used all your money and that fancy new stadium. If you guys need money, us and NJ cant help, but I think the Isles have about $30 mill in cap to share.
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You’re right. It was close to clearing until Mario insisted on pouring vodka on center ice instead of water. That $3 Popov maxed out the account.
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Didn’t realize that Mario was so cheap, if I was him I’d have poured some some $200 Vodka? I bet he made Crosby pay rent and buy his groceries when he stayed in his basement.
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Well it was an opening night rust shaker and playing the pens just amped up the tension. I wouldn’t look at this half as critically if that was the panthers or something but a win is a win. Really think leino/briere/hartnell and giroux/zherdev/jvr had chemistry and order. Carter and richards should not be playing together let alone with carcillo. They need to get another line combo together or nix this Carter out of position thing early in the season. I am giving the misc d parts a chance to gel under the system but I will not accept Carter and richie playing anonymously for to long.
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by MJDII on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You know what would have been good?
If Homer traded Carter for an equal value winger to play with Richards (Bobby Ryan? 100k difference in cap hit in the end.)
Basically the problem here is that we’ve got two great lines working well together and you don’t want to break that up. And then we’ve got this dysfunctional mix of Richards with a center who doesn’t want to play wing and an agitator. But seeing as the organization loves Carter, I’d guess that if this goes on for any longer they would just make him center the third line (second line?) and move Giroux out to wing.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
But Richards and Carter used to be great together when they were younger. Also, you dont trade you best scorer for a guy who hasnt done anything in his career yet. when Ryan hits 46 goals and 80+ points, then call me.
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when Ryan hits 46 goals and 80+ points, then call me.
Wow…it’s not like, even when you ignore Cart’s first two (worst) seasons, and Ryan’s first 23 game stint in the NHL, that Ryan has about the same (actually slightly higher) Points per Game or anything…oh wait it is.
As far as we know, that 46 goal, 84 point season is the exception for Carter and not the rule. Maybe if he didn’t throw shots where he has the whole net open right back in the the goalies pads, he’d hit that number more. Granted Bobby Ryan has gotten the chance to spend his career with Getz and Perry, but his production has been right there with Carter’s, and at a younger age.
Is this the right room for an argument?
But Richards and Carter used to be great together when they were younger.
When exactly, was that?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m assuming, and I don’t know whether this is true or false, he’s referring to the Calder Cup Phantoms. Did they both center a line in that playoffs?
I don’t know how the playoffs worked out, but Carter only played 3 regular season games for the Phantoms that year. He added 23 points in 21 games. Richards didn’t play any regular season games for the Phantoms and added 15 points in 14 playoff games.
So, at most, Carter and Richards had played 14 professional games together prior to joining the Flyers (not including international and all-star games).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Both responses summed it up perfectly. Bobby Ryan is as good if not better a winger then Carter is a center. And Carter and Richards have never played together consistently at any other point in there careers. I would also go as far as to say, and this is MY OPINION, that Carter and Richards have had an almost sibling rivalry since they were in junior hockey and have actually played better in the others absence. Enough with this Carter loyalty, these guys are nothing more then puzzle pieces and right now the pieces don’t fit. This is the same rationale that allows you to romanticize about Carcillo as a legitimate player. Watch him play shift after shift and tell me he should be on a line with Carter or Richards let alone combined and have to seriously doubt the level of competency you have for the sport.
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To add, Carter was a non factor in our playoff run last year.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Nor the year before when he could have iced game two but missed the open net and shot the puck into Fluery’s chest.
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You mean that wasn’t last night?
Even my fiance, who just got in to hockey, said, “was that Carter again”
Is this the right room for an argument?
No, actually in 2008 when they went out in the 1st round to the Pens he could have iced game two which 10 seconds later went into overtime and the Flyers lost. Fucking composite sticks!. They probably were still losing that series but it sure would have changed the series a little.
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Also, I’m not saying the answer is trading him, but I’m completely open to exploring that route as I do not see him as a must have franchise player for the Flyers given you should be able to get a better fitting franchise type of player in return.
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I really think he would benefit from a trade and the Flyers would benefit by just getting a high draft pick and some cap space at the worst case scenario. Give his money to Giroux and Leino this summer and in the meantime rent someone at the trade deadline for the playoff run.
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What a shame this option wasn’t explored before July 19.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
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That might be what could have saved your boy. Although keeping Gagne is like adding a free agent or making a trade deadline deal because that would be about when he returns from injury. The last part was satire for your entertainment purposes only. I find picking on Gagne is a little bit cruel around you.
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For an opener it was fast and furious tonight. Hard to pay attention to the thread while a good game like that is happening.
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by MJDII on Oct 7, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but oddly enough, as someone pointed out in the Pensburgh comments, pretty tame. No scrums, no real shoving/taunting. Just straight up hockey. It was kind of refreshing to be honest. 10 scrums in the last 30 seconds of a game is like watching the final seconds of a close basketball game that is just dotted with timeouts.
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heh yeah. That easily extends the game by 15 minutes.
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Neither team was sending any messages. And these teams play each other 3 times this month. A little front loaded for this division rivalry.
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by MJDII on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s like last season when the Pens and Caps didn’t play until December. I know it’s not a division rivalry or anything, but still…
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Bob was pretty solid, but he could’ve had a couple more against him, the post definitely bailed him out.
While true, I think it solidifies that he’s got all he needs to make himself a premier goalie in the NHL. Now it’s time to give him some light seasoning…
… pass the salt..
Yeah, I agree, he was definitely solid. I didn’t mean it in a negative way juts some thought that it could’ve been 4 goals against him this game and it’d be a completely different discussion. But I guess in every game a goalie catches a few breaks. He looked great though. Gives us fans hope of finally having a #1 goalie.
I vomited on myself, but maybe that’s just me
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I vomited on myself too, but it was the good kind. They don’t call it a sick move for nothing
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The idea of someone saying “Oh my God that was awesome” and then literally vomiting on themselves just got a pretty good laugh out of me. Bravo.
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Big Win
1st off The Pens own us beat us 5 of 6 last year and swept the season series a year or two ago. This win was big especially on the road.
Bob look real good probably would have stopped the Kennedy shot if he did fall.
I thought the top 4 looked pretty good Kimmo in particular was a beast as usual. The new bigger D controlled the front of the net really well clearing lanes and bodies leaving little second chances.
The sloppy play in the own end came from the forwards with ugly second passes on the outlet while still inside the blueline. The Pens D was very aggressive attacking inside the blue which led to some rushes and a lot of icing calls.
The last change killed us Bartulis played too much against Crosby same for the fourth line that led to lots of pressure.
Not fair to justify Bob played well but that hit a lot of posts. Flyers caught a post or two in the game as well.
Fun game to watch a little too much scrambling but that was a big against a team that we rarely beat in a close game. The Pens always seem to comeback late or win in OT or a shootout. Not this time. Crosby is still a little bitch throwing his back to draw the call then pointing and yelling at ref afterwards until his arm was up. I hate Crosby and VS. For airring his and only his entrance.
by chrislanci on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Very Big Win
and they did it without Captain elbows.
The Penguins have been had our # for a while.
Winning the 1st game away at the season opener goes a big way to hopefully change the momentum of the rivalry
It is one game but its a Big one
by Prometheus74 on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree that Bob did hit the post, but the overall count for posts were
Pens hit 5
Flyers hit 3
So yea the post helped him 2 more times, but if I can recall the post is part of the net and doesnt count as a goal if it hits it.
Overall I see him maybe not playing against the Blues, but most likely Mon against the Aves.
Probably something like:
CROSBY DIVES!!! HAHAHAHA
And then he’d respond to each of my comments by telling me to go F myself
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by FrankD on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm…never put two and two together…no wonder he called himself a Flyers fan yet seemingly bashed every single thing the Flyers did. It’s your doppleganger, right? The rude one who likes to use a telestrator? /sarcasm
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Haha exactly it
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JVR held the team back even in the win.
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by MJDII on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll simulate the experience for you
JVR can’t do jack s**t on the ice.
Powe looks like a c**k sucker out there
Bobs is a lucky mother f***er
This team wont make it far at all.
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….our only win of the season comes from beating a team that hasn’t won a single game all year!
by Prometheus74 on Oct 7, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
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did u guys watch the game, JVR did not hold us back, yeah he didn’t play to Giroux level maybe he needs to eat some grilled cheese BUT he did nicely bury a few pens on the forecheck and looked a hell of a lot stronger/faster on the forecheck
It’s a joke, because an old poster blamed everything on JVR.
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My evil twin, to be exact
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hahaha
Its the same guy, like Ed Norton from Fight club. One seconed hes a Pens fan, the next hes a Flyers fan. He changes his name from Frank to Mario.
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If only Frank was BobbyD or BernieD instead of FrankD
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t make me show you game footage (with arrows) of how he was caught out of position on all of the Penguins goals
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I’m thinking the arrows wouldn’t favor Meszaros very often
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Your not going crazy
we are simply imagining what a pessimistic troll from last year would remark on the game.
by Prometheus74 on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re missing the fact that everybody is mocking/imitating a former member.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
JVR looks lost. I am pretty sure he’s got skills, but needs to mix it up so more. Maybe get in a fight and get his ass kicked and piss him off. Sure he looks stronger on his skates but he hbas the carter sickness. Big body little heart. Now for Powe. He just works his ass off. Not much skill but works grinds and plays hard nose hockey. BOB got lucky like Pelle was shining love from the heavens above. But the boy has skill. Almost every first shot hit him great positioning on first shots and quick as mongoose. And just case your wondering they said that during the play offs and got two games away from hangin two banners this year. So stop hatin
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by flyerfreek on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“Carter sickness” “little heart”
How can you just look at a kid and say he doesn’t have heart? He’s just added a huge amount of upper body strength over the summer, and he’s throwing it around a lot more. I’m sure we’re gonna see good things out of him this season.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Just ask Bryce Salvador, provided that he’s still coherent.
by Daniel Ramirez on Oct 8, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This makes one of Chris Lanci’s posts readable by comparison.
by Phalange on Oct 8, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What you call bad grammar I call eccentric artistic freedom.
P.S. I am trying to be better typing without my lab gloves on should help.
I’m horrible with grammar and spelling, so I can’t really talk. But what do you expect, a BS in Chemical Engineering and an MS in Economics pretty much force a bunch of math in to your head, and proper writing skills out.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Bwhahahaha!
I just got back from the game, standing outside the ugly new arena. They had the game on a big screen, but it was pretty hard to make out some of the details, like the time left on the clock or the jersey numbers. Some of the Flyers looked pretty impressive, some looked shaky, but I’m not sure which was which.
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Ugly? I found it to be pretty nice.
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hahaha
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Haven’t seen it yet but the Mario Mosaic is very cool
by Prometheus74 on Oct 7, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it is. One of the Pensburgh users paid to have the site’s logo added. Pretty fun to think it’s part of it.
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From the outside it seemed like just another building. I heard the inside is pretty nice though. I think there was an interview on VS with Bettman. They asked him his favourite part of the new arena and he said the luxury box was great…
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Ugh, yeah that whole interview was disastrous. He promptly followed that up by saying the press box was nice too.
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Man, watching the replay in HD makes me so jealous having to sit through the grainiest feeds you will ever see.
I would have loved to see another angle on the Michalek goal, just to see what Bob had to look through. To me it looked like a tame shot that just made its way through.
Also, where are the Corsi numbers?
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I had to watch a feed and found one with just fine quality.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Hmmm. I was using one of them, but not justintv. I might have skipped right over it.
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I think I had the same feed as you did – very grainy. The Justintv feed wouldn’t load for me for some reason.
I’m sure better feeds will be around for future games.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Oct 8, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Corsi Numbers
Vic Ferrari hasn’t updated the scripts for this season yet. I was looking for them already in the first period haha.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 7, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn. Will we get it for this game eventually?
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I can only hope.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatver, they’re just “made up” stats. My uninformed opinions about how players are doing are much more accurate.
Exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If I was back in philly Id offer you to slingbox my TV
But you would then be forced to watch Southpark whenever hockey wasn’t on
by Prometheus74 on Oct 7, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I could buy feeds that are decent quality, but the bandwidth will also get chewed.
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cant you just go on www.nhl.com and buy the center ice package and whatch all 82+ flyers games in high def?
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Im up at Penn State
and am outnumbered slightly by pens fans. This feels terrific. Im sick of their shit.
I heard Penn State was filled with CakeEater Penguins fans now. Bet it wasn’t that way 5 years ago. Heck, the first Penguins/Flyers game in Pittsburgh I went to after the lockout was pretty much split 50/50 for the fans.
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they no NOTHING
about hockey. nothing. I watched the game with a couple friends from philly. There is plenty of flyer fans, but you would think we would outnumber them.
When I first went to PSU back in 2001, the Pens had no fans, they were all Steeler fans. Same kids I knew who only rooted for the Steelers magically became Pens fans after 87.
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That's the impression I get from pittsburgh fans. The only thing they are knowledgable
about were the Steelers. I can’t wait until the Pirates do something, then we’ll really see the bandwagon jumpers. It’s like the Phillies after the 08 WS. No one cared before that. That’s the only bad thing about your team being successful, the fairweather clowns.
Yes, but on the flip side, bandwagoners sell tickets and merchandise and make lots of money for the team so they can go out and trade for Oswalt, Halladay, etc. It keeps us winning. It’s a trade off with which I will live, as will any diehard Pens/Steelers fans these days.
And it’s not fair to say no one cared about the Phillies pre-WS 2008 (my partial season tickets plan since when I could afford them 2001 on beg to differ), but, yes, there were fewer “diehard” fans then. That’s the nature of the fanbase, though. Peripheral/casual fans become much more invested when a team is winning. It’s only natural. I know plenty of people who are quite invested in the Pirates; it’s just that the Pirates never give them any valid reason to continue being so invested.
So, I guess what I mean to say is, this bandwagon stuff is funny and true at times, but it’s also sort of played out. It’s honestly when you get right down to it, a good problem to have.
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I welcome bandwagon fans in hockey, and I hope to turn them in to true fans of hockey, not just their home teams. It’s a sport I love that doesn’t get much of a spot light in the States. Will I make fun of them when the Flyers play wither team, sure, but will I also talk to them and try to spark a bigger interest in them for the sport as a whole…your damn straight I will.
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You should throw it back into their faces with an awesome Bandwagon shirt!
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 7, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
but with Blair Betts in the box at the end of the game, Andreas Nodl could have helped out a bit.
Ha.
The good: Roo, Rabbit, MATT FUCKIN CARLE, Timonen, Coburn, Leino-Briere-Hartnell, Betts, Powe
The dangerous to the other team, but clearly a liability in our own zone: Zherdev (surprise!), Richards (giveaways, failed clears), Bobo (this could be a looooooong season), Meszaros (good, except beat around the outside twice),
Bad: Shelley (Seems like every time he got a shift, it ended in a penalty or a mercy dump after an icing that extended the shift too long)
Fine: Carcillo, OD, Barty
That’s all I got.
The dangerous to the other team, but clearly a liability in our own zone: Bobo (this could be a looooooong season)
Maybe my humor meter is off, but really?
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Okay, it took me a few minutes, but I think I figured out what you were going at. I’ve actually been pretty impressed with how he’s handled the puck most of the time.
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He was impressive at times, and he got lost in his positioning at times. As far as getting lost goes, he is athletic enough to compensate sometimes, and for tonight, the Pens didn’t capitalize when he wa slost (with the exception of the skate malfunction…not sur eif he panicked and couldn’t track to the puck and post, or if after the skate held him up, it also kept him from getting to the right spot.
All part of the learning process I guess. I remain not overly excited, nor down about anything regarding Bob…just hopeful he continues to progress.
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OT
but F**K Cary Price. So happy that hes hated in Mont but they have to deal with his bum ass cause they traded their good goalie.
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reaction
good way to start the year. lets go for the cup.
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Carle is a STUD. Man I am happy they won. Bob looked good. d was acceptable. Shaky but dealable. Missing major cog, so admirable outing. Got some scoring in three different situations 1 down 1 up and even (that’s right(right)). Did I say BOB looked good. The LBH line was solid. G MAN is my man crush, and is gonna be a constant highlight reel this year dipsy doin his way into Flyers hockey lore makin Clarke kick himself for messin his name up.
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by flyerfreek on Oct 7, 2010 11:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Carter face palms continue. If he could hit the net he’d score more goals than Ovechkin.
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He can hit the net…from the side, from behind…I’m surprised he hasn’t laid a puck down on top of the net yet, because he’s hit it every other way except from in front.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
He can hit the net when it doesn’t matter and the Flyers are already going to lose or are up by 2…
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by Mitchell Green on Oct 8, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Unrightfully so. But yes.
Carter doesn’t hit, despite being above average in size, and is such an effortless skater it looks like he isn’t putting forth any effort or hustle. JVR is the same way effortless skater or doesn’t hit. Both players use there size well but they don’t punish D-Men like Richards and Powe do.
And Powe is fast but he certainly ins’t and smooth gliding skater he is all elbows and knees like a little Tasmanian Devil.
Carter led the team in Even Strength Scoring last season and 6 GW goals tied with JVR.
Basically Carter and JVR are not what Flyers fans want out of their big forwards. Flyers fan don’t want lesser skilled Jagr, Super Mario, Joe Thorton, or Malkin types. Big bodies who don’t hit but use their size well to protect the puck and glide around the ice effortlessly. We want Lindros and Ovi types who try to run everyone throw the wall and attack the body whether they have the puck or not.
Even Lindros got criticized at times for not hustling. He would just turn it up to another gear when he had the oppurtunity to make play. Pronger is also the same why he is big, skates smooth with little motion.
Carter led the team in Even Strength Scoring last season and 6 GW goals tied with JVR.
While true – and kudos for using stats – what troubles me is that his individual success doesn’t translate to the team.
The Flyers scored 2.58 goals per 60 minutes of Jeff Carter being on the ice, which is good, certainly. But Danny Briere scored just as many points per 60 – having more assists than Carter, but fewer goals – against just as strong of competition (0.030 v. 0.028), with much worse teammates (-0.032 v. 0.083), slightly better offensive zone start (56.5 v. 53.3), and the Flyers as a team scored more goals (2.84). Yes, the Flyers gave up more goals with Briere than Carter, but Briere was still a positive even-strength player last year while Carter wasn’t.
Long story: it isn’t just Jeff Carter’s “effortless skating”, it’s his perceived value v. his actual value. He’s definitely very valuable, but I think he’s more valuable to this team as an asset than as a player.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was responding to the Bobby Abreu comparison which is that Carter doesn’t do anything when it matters scoring meaningless goals and points.
Do you agree with my second point about he style and perceived lack of effort or heart? He did play all post-season with two broken feet and even that doesn’t count for Carter as a gutsy effort.
That last statement asset vs. player is another issue all together and we as usual disagree. No need to get into all now though by the trade deadline if that line doesn’t start producing I might be onboard with you.
Well, I’m not a fan of saying any goals or points are meaningless (Rodriguez sucks! He hits selfish home runs!), but I’m also not a fan of saying “6 game winning goals, he must be clutch”. In fact, I’m much more impressed with a hard working assist or a great shift (Giroux in Game 7, Richards’ goal in Game 5 against Montreal).
I do agree with your second point, since Carter does get slammed for a lack of effort. I definitely think he’s inconsistent in his effort, but almost every single player is guilty of the same thing (Pronger and Timonen may be the exceptions).
And yes, no problem punting on the value question for another 4 months.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, I was more making a joke, because I never thought Bobby Abreu was a bad player and the perception of him as lazy and selfish was unwarranted, IMO.
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haha, there are two things there: I never thought Abreu was a bad player, but I did think he was lazy and selfish. haha.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 8, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Just watched the highlights…. and that Giroux goal was amazing!!
Also, my fun Penguins story from last week….. I was driving home from class (I go to school in Connecticut) and I was stuck behind a car with at least 4 Penguins bumper stickers. One was a huge logo, another one was about Crosby and then the usual “Stanley Cup Champions” one. At that moment, I was proud to be a Flyers fan and wished that I had a Flyers sticker on my car for when I passed him.
Giroux better not be injured. I’m really looking forward to him having a huge season. The LBH line looked good and against weaker competition will hopefully be prolific. The VXZ line did well too, and there’s no denying the talent they’ve got there: a #2 pick, a #4 pick in the greatest draft of all time, and one of the most talented young players in the league today.
Now for Carter to learn not to let the opposing goaltender make highlight reel saves.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 2:55 AM EDT reply actions
Wow that was great. I didn’t get to see the game but I watched the highlights and MAN what a great goal by Giroux!! Just intercepted the pass and went around everybody. I would think if he wasn’t such a great playmaker he’d be able to score a ton of goals with all of his crazy moves.
Bob looked good as the video went on. One thing that kind of scared me seeing was a lot of loose pucks around the net and almosts. Bob is fast but I think needs more work with Jeff Reese and he should be getting better.
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‘Roux has 100 points in him. One day. Put him on a line with a strong skilled crash the net type guy to pick up rebounds and a prolific sniper who can receive his passes, ensure that there’s another couple of strong lines you’re rolling out so that the defenders on the other team can’t focus on shutting down his line, keep him at center, and let the magic happen. In that scenario it wouldn’t be altogether surprising to see him play at a point per game, and 100 points isn’t that far away from a ppg.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo on the first line?
Anyone else not thrilled about this? I know it’s obviously just the first game of the season, but they did this sometimes last year and I don’t like it. I dunno why they paid so much for Coburn and Mez and traded away Gagne. I’d much rather have had Gagne-Richards-Carter and drop Carcillo to the fourth line even if that meant having Bartulis and O’Donnell as the third pair (with Mez/Coburn and Kimo as the second) instead of Mez and O’Donnell… I’m certainly not knocking Carcillo’s effort or hustle by any means, but Mike Richards is an immensely skilled player and he needs to have skilled wingers who can score a lotta goals. That simply is not- and shouldn’t be- Carcillo’s game.
That line, Carter’s position on the team and Carcillo wasting a roster spot are the burning questions of the early season. Which I guess is a nice change from goaltending.
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by MJDII on Oct 8, 2010 7:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That line could work out. Carcillo looked a lot better then both his line mates, but they did play the Crosby line, so they played a more defensive style and not offensive. I think we should get a better look at them in the next few games, cause they aren’t playing a superstar powerhouses.
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We should look back into Billy Guerin. Since Lappy isn’t going to be playing this year, or ever… Guerin would be a nice fit on the 1st or 3rd, moving Carcillo to the 4th and then choosing from Zherdev and Guerin for who plays top line minutes.
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Guerin looked pretty bad with us. I think hes too slow to keep up with Lavy’s system. Like I said, Carcillo was the only good looking guy on that line yesterday. Both Richie and Carter have poor games. But its only game 1, give it some more games to turn it around.
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I know it doesn’t mean anything, but is that really our first line? Since the team put itself together last playoffs the LBH line has been most productive and was the line that started getting the top defenders on the other team. Richie’s our best player, but that doesn’t mean he’s on our first line.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Comment of the night? O.O
Ohhhh, my first comment of the night on BSH ever! I feel complete now :D Happy the Flyers beat those lame fat birds. Unfortunately, I had to miss the third period (and most importantly the third period discussion thread!) because of my stupid internet. It f-d up, stopped working and didnt work until this morning :( Sigh… oh well. Yay for me and my comment. Lol.
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by billy_pilgrim on Oct 8, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Best player on the ice ...
While Bob had a number of great saves (upstaged only by the INCREDIBLE save MAF had at the other end), he did have a few gaffes. Giroux had that sick SH goal … but we’ve almost come to expect that from him. Carle played well, but then I figure that should just shut up everyone who claimed he’s overrated and just looked good from playing alongside Pronger.
My vote actually goes to JVR. He looked VERY solid on the puck, drove the net better than I’ve ever seen him do, and generally seemed to be in position more than last season. If he does continue this trend, he will definitely be a force on the wing.
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Yeah, I agree they all had good games. Carter can take a lesson from JVR on the Betts goal—if you don’t have a move that can beat the defenseman, at least keep the shot on the leg pads. But Carle impressed me the most, for the reason who mentioned, especially that he kept his two-way play active even when not paired with Prongs.
I am the consummate JVR guy. I thought he played well especially down low compared to last season looks stronger along wall.
However he needs to show more patience with the puck in the offensive zone and hold the puck longer before shooting giving his linemates more time to get in place for rebounds. Or pass the puck off and get in front of the net allowing Zherdev and Giroux to have the puck on their sticks since they are more dangerous with the puck. He did hit Giroux with a great pass from behind the net and Giroux subsequently hit the post hard.
That will come if the line is allowed to grow. If someone we are able to keep the team together JVR is 21, Giroux is 22 and Zherdev is 25 they can be together as a second line dominating for long time. XYZ line forever.
I thought Zherdev was more of a puck-hog than JVR, but I see your point. It’s almost like he’s SO determined to protect the puck in the corners that he loses the vision for a pass. Maybe as the seaosn progresses, it’ll ease some. But I was still quite impressed.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 8, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
XYZ?
I know that they follow each other in the alphabet but I don’t really associate JVR with the letter Y, more with V. So for me perrsonally it’s VXZ :P
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 8, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It obviously won’t be the case all year but, man, I thought the Penguins looked pretty bad offensively. It didn’t take much for the Flyers to cancel out Crosby and Malkin (who still had some dangerous moments). Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but, I am really hoping that the Penguins’ complete and utter lack of scoring depth turns into a HUGE problem for them this year.
I love how Crosby and Malkin are surrounded by guys like Crag Adams, Chris Kunitz, Max Talbot, Pascal Dupuis, Tyler Kennedy and Mike Comrie. That’s a pretty pathetic grouping of players to put around two of the most dangerous scorers in hockey. Most of them are low 2nd liners, high third liners.
Having Jordan Staal back after his injury will be helpful for them but it still only means that best wingers they can give Crosby are Kunitz and Comrie? Man, I sure am glad that the Flyers don’t have to settle for guys like that and depend of them for scoring.
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Kunitz, Dupuis, and Comrie are better than you estimate, BUT that is the perennial problem with the Pens. Although, considering that Sid made Rusty Fedotenko look like a real scoring threat, I figure it isn’t any different than any other year. Underestimate this team at your peril.
(And just a note – Carter and Richie playing with … Carcillo? He who lives in glass houses …)
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
In the spirit of full disclosure, I argued all off-season that Carcillo should play on a line with Richards this year. Personally, I think skill-only lines get hammered by tougher teams – just watch Montreal play sometime. But my point is that it isn’t such a bad thing for Pittsburgh that their wingers are less-than-stellar (although watch Comrie score in bunches later in the season) because it gives them some balance. Their centers are SO good that crappy wingers can help out in some ways.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL – sorry, I forgot that speaking well (or honestly) of the Pens was verboten here. :)
That said, the Pens never have good wingers (apologies to Billy Guerin and others) to play alongside Crosby, Malkin, and Staal. It’s never stopped them from being competetive before, and won’t this season either. You could easily argue (as I also have) that it is far preferable to have depth and balanced lines like the Flyers do, but you still have to respect the ability of those Pens centers to make any winger look better. I guess I was just saying that in flyrsfrk’s post, it probably is “wishful thinking”.
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by MaximumTalbot on Oct 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Random note: did they chill these pucks at all? It looked like they were playing with SuperBalls out there.

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