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Well, this should be interesting. If he does get back to health in a month or two, what will happen in goal? Bobs is really looking pretty good lately and is working hard to make himself the full-time starter, so then what happens between Boosh and Leighton if both are healthy and ready to play?

Sarauj, Latvija!

by LVHokejs on Nov 1, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Bobs is really looking pretty good lately and is working hard to make himself the full-time starter

He certainly is. Whenever someone like Kimmo Timonen heaps praise upon him, it’s a good thing.

what happens between Boosh and Leighton if both are healthy and ready to play?

One of them gets traded?

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this really a question? Judging by history this team tosses Boosh to the curb and plays it out with Leighton and Bobs. Then Leights gets hurt again, they call up Backlund and we rotate through Backs and Bobs until Leights is back then when he comes back, Bob goes down because he’s never played in a season this long. Right?

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we can call Backlund up, I thought he was a waiver risk.. Someone can claim him for half price. Right?

Bartulis for #7 D-man.. at least he speaks Russian?

by Orange and Black And Blue on Nov 1, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone could, but he hasn’t done anything at the NHL level yet. It makes him less of a risk to be claimed then, say, Randy Jones.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

For <500,000 dollars a team would have to be retarded not to take Backlund.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know that, but he is still an unproven commodity at the major-league level. At least he is for now.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, I did not know that. So we resign some journeyman goalie to back up Bobs and he turns out to be really good so we sit Leights when he’s healthy until Bobs gets hurt and then he and the journeyman take turns until the playoffs start and then we don’t know who to start, pick the wrong guy, he gets hurt we get the right guy in and then he gives up a softie to end our run.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You, sir, are a Flyers Fan.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the nicest thing anyone’s ever said to me.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

The truthiness of the above three statements is truly beyond measure.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing on Briere yet? It’s 10:38! I demand satisfaction!

All I know is that Panaccio cannot spell “Porchetta.”

Porkette and bananas foster at Panotch house for pre-game meal before Steelers … Whole family here …

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I constantly question whether or not Cowboy Tim Panotch is really of Italian Heritage. That miss spelling almost more offensive that the cast of the Jersey Shore.

/ NOT sarcasm

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not the Italian, or lack thereof. It’s the Pittsburgh.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

No diggity, no doout!!!!

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by boknows71 on Nov 1, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Briere...

I love comments like this:

Briere deserves a suspension, big-time. This is worse than all of these alleged "hits to the head"… this was totally premeditated and unnecessary.

Deserves a suspension? Sure. “Totally premeditated?” Not bloody likely. Oh wait, we’re the Flyers, so we’re all naturally evil. We don’t want to win games, we want to kill the opposition. Blah blah blah.

I initially took whiskeyboy’s comment in the Briere thread as sarcasm, but I doubt it.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless they’re saying “Totally premeditated” from the moment Nielsen started jawing at him…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, “Premeditated” means “considered” or “planned in advance” as well as “done deliberately.” Briere got himself in trouble because he DIDN’T plan in advance. Nielsen said something and Briere reacted WITHOUT thinking.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

But there’s no minimum amount of time for something to be “planned in advance.” You can “pre-meditate” something quite quickly.

The problem, obviously, is proving that Briere planned during that time before the puck was dropped.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, with murder there’s premeditated and “heat of passion”. This could be construed as heat of passion.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a tad hyperbolic, I’d say. A swing and a miss at a guy’s head, although stupid, is hardly worse than a hit to the head that ends a guys’ season. Is he saying Briere is a dirtier player than Matt Cooke? Child, please.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha! This made me laugh.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Try the veal!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ready thy popp’d corn!

/Shakespearean TO

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

And WTF does he mean by “alleged hits to the head”? It’s either a hit to the head or not. Is he saying those guys that blindside or headhunt are a figment of our imagination? Is there an alternate reality?

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

His argument would probably be that “hits to the head” are usually the result of hockey plays, whereas this was not.

But there’s no rule that says you have to clock a guy in the skull just because he’s skating with his head down, either. Hit him, sure. Hit him in the head? Dangerous, unnecessary, and in a lot of cases, “premeditated!”

Oh, shit!

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

One could also argue that anything that happens on the ice is the result of a hockey play. Just because the action has stopped does not mean the emotion doesn’t carry over (as evidenced by the fact that the NYI couldn’t get their proverbial shit together the entire 3rd period).

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s gone, FYI

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by Travis Hughes on Nov 1, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The links to the stats kept by the coaches from the 1972 Summit series in the Behind the Net article were absolutely fascinating.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Bobs first goalie off the ice. Does that mean hes starting or sitting again?

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Usually starting.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff’s pants are a much better indicator for whom is starting in net.

by chrislanci on Nov 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

…………zing?

But I compare Bobs to when Boosh 1st came up. so much hype, lets just hope he turnes out to be a better goalie then Boosh(sorry Geoff, but its true).

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

No disagreement from me.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

if it means anything

Bobs seems very fan friendly and has a similar attitude.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok, cool. thats what I thought. Im happy to see him earning these starts, but I would like a rest game before the Caps game.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s right, because I’m going to the game and want to see Bobs!

Sarauj, Latvija!

by LVHokejs on Nov 1, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

when should we hear about Danny? I’m thinking its either very good or very bad news that its taking this long.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

They have so many marginal/legal checks to go through for discipline decisions they haven’t gotten to him yet. This is the NHL, it’s like the federal government.

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the Phantoms mutiny. This is what the problem is with calling minor league players “prospects”. These guys are probably mad that they haven’t made the Flyers roster. Someone is going to have to break the news to them that they are minor league talent. Also I would be mad if a two year college player out of a middle of the road NCAA program got 1.6 million and the club is just force feeding him an NHL roster spot.

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh, M… let’s not go down the “What is a ‘prospect’?” road again. Maroon certainly was a prospect, and he almost certainly was mad he hadn’t made the Flyers yet. Should they have made the team? Almost certainly not, but that doesn’t mean they are “minor league talent” either.

And yes, I would be terribly mad if the club force fed somebody an NHL roster spot because they had to pretend like they didn’t complete screw themselves in recent drafts.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for playing along! It was a sardonic remark based on taking a shot at the idea of “prospects” and JVR.

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, I hate you.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s a paragraph from a Tim Panaccio article on HockeyBuzz, which I will not link to – and didn’t include above – because it’s not worth it. Since Ben said I should take my anger out anyway, here it is:

Here’s my issue. Was Briere’s high-stick on Frans Nielsen worse than Trent Hunter’s head-hunting blind boarding hit on Andrej Meszaros? Where’s the conference call for a suspension on that?

Here’s my issue, Tim: “head-hunting blind boarding hit” is not only terrible writing, it’s you throwing shit against the wall hoping something sticks. You just listed three different penalties, hoping one of them can be true.

  1. “Head-hunting” is rule 48.1
  2. “Blind” is rule 43.1
  3. “Boarding” is rule 41.1

Pick one and stop saying Hunter deserves a suspension, because even you can’t figure out why you think he does.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

head-hunting blind boarding hit

Sounds like an ad for Six Flags or something. “Are YOU ready for HEAD-Hunting, BLIND-boarding HIT (Nu-metal guitars) after HIT (Nu-Metal guitars) after HIT?” (Nu-metal scream)

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just looked up this “article,” really more of a blurb if you ask me. He also said some interesting things about Maroon in that too. The only usefull peice of info was that the dismissal was because of “behavior,” but didn’t we already know that? Seems to me like the whole thing could have been two tweets and nothing more.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Hence why I didn’t link it, because I didn’t want anybody to waste their time giving him page views!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitkanen is the man. He’s still one of my favorite players. I miss him :(

by NYflyGUY on Nov 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

hahaha listen for the boo’s tonight. There is a guy in 124 that hates him. You can hear him booing when watching the game on TV any time Joni touches the puck. It’s pretty hilarious.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Joni. Never really understood why people hated him. Yeah he sucks at D but he put up numbers that you rarely see from his position.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He hates him for two reasons that I get to hear about every time the Canes are in town. 1. Joni always entered the zone the same way, and would just skate with the puck in the corner, around the net, and work it back to the point. I never saw anything wrong with it, but it frustrated the heck out of Kevin, visibly…it was pretty funny. 2. St. Louis, St Louis owned Pitaknen on several occasions, the worst of which was right beside his own goal, where St. Louis easily took the puck off of Joni and deposited in the net. Kevin lost it, despite St Louis being stronger than Joni, Kevin couldn’t understand how a “mmidget” could take the puck so easily away from someone Joni’s size.

Every since that last St Louis incident, Kevin has hated him. It’s pretty funny to be there with him for it…everyone is so confused by it at first.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man I have a day of meetings and it is already looking as if it is going to be a really entertaining day around here. Damn work!

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. I miss everything when I’m at school. There wasn’t anything new up during my “higher learning” or computer class, so I couldn’t read them while looking like I’m working.

On the bright side, I get to do this all night

Let's do it again

by Cillo stache on Nov 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny got 3 games. That means he’ll be back for the caps game.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

GM Paul Holmgren confirms that Danny Briere has received a 3 game suspension from the NHL… Details to follow shortly.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a joke!!!! If Wisniewski actually put the butt end of his stick tonsil deep in his mouth would he have received 3 games?

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by boknows71 on Nov 1, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s more of Wisniewski being suspended far longer than he should have, not so much Danny getting more than he should have.

But if you look at it as: Wis got 2 for a gesture, how can Danny get less for a stick to the head?

Does it make both look bad? Probably, but that’s ^ probably their reasoning.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff, I don’t think anyone here is drunk enough to accurately describe Campbell’s Wheel of Justice reasoning.

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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, fair enough.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it time to bring out DGB’s Suspension Flow Chart again?

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that’s more than I thought he’d get. Pretty harsh.

How many games did Matt Cooke get last year? Oh, none, right? Makes sense.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

For what transgression?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which one? There were several aside from the Savard incident all pretty similar hits.

My issue with NHL is that as we’ve all said before it seems so arbitrary. A throat slash gesture gets you the same amount of games as a high stick. Danny deserved to be suspended, sure, and I guess I could see the 3 games if the other incidents that are suspense worthy either came with less or greater penalty.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just curious which Cooke hit you were talking about, so I could compare it to this. But Fehr and Balanced’s look at Crosby yesterday was one that irks me, but obviously isn’t suspension worthy. Thought it probably should be.

Either way, I’m totally with you on the arbitrariness of the NHL.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What did he say about Crosby?

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That time where Crosby jumped a Panther off the faceoff, just started throwing punches at a guy who didn’t even have his gloves off. Almost a “If Danny had fought him rather than used his stick” argument, which we all agreed was pretty dick-ish of Crosby, but less dangerous.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how that’s any less dangerous, honestly. Hands are a weapon, too, if a guy is big and strong enough to fight properly. Not saying Danny should swing at a guys’ head or justifying that behaviour, but jumping a guy or taking a swing at him with a stick…meh, both are examples of taking an unsuspecting guy by surprise and hurting him.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true, but I think anytime you use a weapon it becomes inherently more dangerous.

I understand if you disagree though.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, I struggle with this. These sticks break so easily now. A Lindros type could do just as much damage with his hands, that’s all I’m saying. I guess the argument can be made that at least the player can attempt to defend himself with punches. Meh.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

As someone that has taken composite sticks to the throat and calves, and someone who has taken punches to the face…composite sticks are most definitely a weapon, and the kick point that you see break in shots, etc, is not a weakness in the stick when it is being used to inflict damage on a person.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crosby is not Lindros. I don’t view Sid’s hands to be all that dangerous.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

/rimshot

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they want him suspended for the Isles game(3 games away) so nothing else happens. That said, we play the Canes, Rags, and Isles in the next 3, so his absence shouldn’t affect the team that much.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, they’re trying to keep him out of Sunday’s rematch.

But still, it’s a fair penalty for that kind of hit. From the instant the Nielsen started yapping before the faceoff and the ref pushed him away from Briere, you could see the look in Danny’s face and the way that he was holding his stick that he knew exactly what he wanted to do. Sorry, just calling it the way I see it.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ref should receive a fine, for not throwing anyone out of the face-off circle. If he had done his job Danny would not of even had the chance to high stick off the face-off.

by midwestflyers on Nov 1, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a bit silly. Sure he probably should have tossed Nielson. However Briere did not have to take a chop at his face either.

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by Mike B on D on Nov 1, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im looking at the refs actions separate from Danny’s. When the ref neglects to control a game, this is the type of shit that happens. Is the ref responsible for Danny’s actions? No. Is the ref responsible for control of a game? Yes. I feel the ref lost total control during this face off and we all could see it building yet he did nothing to try and stop it.

by midwestflyers on Nov 1, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m okay with it. I’m very anti using a stick as a weapon, and Danny does it a lot. Hopefully this will make him think twice in the future.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

see, I like that part about him. Just not at someones face. Like I said, I think its fair enough.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand why he feels the need to do it. He is small, and it’s his way of protecting himself. It just leads to stupid penalties, and can injure players…two things I’m not okay with it at all.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, Don, that’s a bullshit excuse. Just because he’s small doesn’t mean he has to use his stick to defend himself. Does Mike Cammalleri? Brian Gionta? Claude Giroux? Brian Rafalski? No, no they don’t.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

………But Dannys way more Badass then those losers

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You realize I threw Giroux in there to avoid this exact response, right?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Giroux start spearing guys for no reason then we’ll talk.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because that makes him badass?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very much so

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

John is being sarcastic, I think.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank the gods you get it mike

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey you’ve said some pretty out there things before not sarcastically, I can never be too sure.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, it’s tough to tell with him…especially since he almost took out my eye with his stick at the pick up game haha.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it wasn’t just a friendly, I probably wouldn’t have held back haha. (by the way, i was trying to lift your stick and missed)

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I know, I just enjoy holding it against you.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

…and wanted to take on Geoff like he was Andre Roy and Geoff was Riley Cote.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAAHA I still will throw down with Geoff if he doesn’t wuss out again.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That we are aware of anyway. Guys use their sticks on the ice all the time but don’t necessarily always get caught. It’s like the stories of football scrums.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please no. Really?

Why is everyone so willing to defend a high-stick/cross-check to the head?? Really?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not defending him or his actions. Im just saying I love them haha.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not defending it—I’m just saying this probably happens more than we know and probably isn’t penalized as much as it could/should be.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It happens all the time.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s all I’m saying. I realize Danny has the rep and all, and he needs to cut that shit out, so I’m not making an excuse. I’m just saying that this reasoning that “these other players don’t do it” is polyanna reasoning and reminds me of something a Pens fan would say when arguing that only Flyers are dirty and their team is full of “perfect angels”.

Danny just does it with too much frequency and he’s got to take some anger mgmt classes or something, but then again, we don’t want him to lose that edge on the ice because it’s what makes him so offensively dangerous. It’s a fine line.

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by doubleh on Nov 1, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff, you are mistaking my understand of why Danny feels the need he has to do it for me defending him doing it. By no way will I ever defend the use of the stick as a weapon. Please refer to me saying:

I’m very anti using a stick as a weapon, and Danny does it a lot. Hopefully this will make him think twice in the future

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an important distinction. The way you phrased your recent comment, though, made that muddled.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cammalleri did it in the pre season to Nino on the Islanders.

Not saying it makes it right, just pointing out that yes, in fact they do do it. Granted, he hacked at Nino’s ankle, but still, I hate it.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, that’s not “defending himself with his stick”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I’ve been lawyered here…Cams just used his stick as a weapon, it wasn’t in defense.

You win this round Detweiler.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

“All the training I’ve had and all my instincts tell me to use this as a weapon.”

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That isn’t surprising. He has to show restraint and control despite what Neilson said to him. Maybe Shelley can get some much earned time on that line now. :-)

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just puked in my mouth!
Thanks for that.

by midwestflyers on Nov 1, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I called it!

Come with me to the racetrack today! We’ll put our collective wages on Papa’s Moustache in the 4th!

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome back Zherdev...

…for three games at least.

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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wellwood is Nodls replacement, so Z is doing backflips that Briere got suspended.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

What? Nodl is out?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Precautionary? Or is this a classic “Oh, he’s fine / He’ll miss a game or two at the most” move by Homer?

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see that Wellwood is playing, but nothing about Zherdev/Nodl…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Wellwood called uo from Phantoms. If Briere is suspended, he figures to play Mon. Zherdev expected to replace Nodl.

Panotch also says Nodls out

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Panotch and Seravalli were saying on the Twitters that Nodl wasn’t on the ice for morning skate.

by ohnickels on Nov 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nodl no longer needs to practice as Homer has finally recognized that he is the 50 goal scoring winger the team has been searching for.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t want waste a weapon like that on mere 3-on-2 drills.

by ohnickels on Nov 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. No need to waste goals in practice. That’s been his problem in his career thus far…the coaching staff have been wasting all of his goals in practice.

Andreas Nodl, consider yourself my write in vote for the All Star game starting line up.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Z’s attitude is really what got him benched, he should still sit and someone else gets called up to fill in for Briere. If he can’t learn to play as part of the team, why should he benefit from the “lucky break” of someone being suspended?

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by hintzy64 on Nov 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that anyone’s stated definitively that it was his attitude that got him benched. I got the impression that his (lack of) production did that.

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by Mike B on D on Nov 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

To the tune of "White Lines"

Ice time! (Ice as white as snow!)
Goin’ through my mind! (And now I’m havin’ fun, baby!)
Ice time! (Can never get enough!)
Makes me feel so fine! (I just might score a goal, baby!)
Ain’t gonna ever backcheck (Baby!)
Lavi and Homer, what the heck?
My ice time’s gone away!

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just thought I'd toss out this Homer quote:
Absolutely. I watched that game last night and Wilkes-Barre, they just have better players. So that’s my responsibility and something we’ll look at as we move forward. We need to try to add a couple players here that can help us.

Duh. or, it’s too late, because “the couple players” we need to fill out that lineup should have been drafted in 2008.

by Snevik on Nov 1, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

As Seravelli mentioned in his article: doesn’t it seem like the Maroon situation should have been handled better? How urgent was it to get this kid out of the locker room? Doesn’t seeking a trade now make less sense than seeking a trade before a very negative, public display of his worth to your organization?

by Snevik on Nov 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope, this organization believes take action first, back track later.

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by DLJr on Nov 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least we’re not Edmonton. Somehow this is not quite comforting…

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by Mike B on D on Nov 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t seeking a trade now make less sense than seeking a trade before a very negative, public display of his worth to your organization?

I choose to respond to this in picture form.

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by mikefive on Nov 1, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes it does.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey guys

just wondering if you know who is starting in net tonight? Is it Boucher?

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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

All signs point to Bobrovsky, though I don’t believe that has been officially confirmed yet.

by ohnickels on Nov 1, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off Topic

I just received my February 18th Flyers at the Carolina Hurricanes tickets to see Rod Brindamour honored. Anyone else getting to this one?

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

That depends. You got an extra seat?

I would love to be there for this.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 1, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, me and the old man are going to this one as part of our road trip quest. What a perfect reason to finally get to Raleigh.

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by MJDII on Nov 1, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoping too.

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by JpH89 on Nov 1, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random question

But I am curious to know what Flyers fans think of their team so far this season?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 1, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Well…so far we have seen some wonderful hockey and so absolutely dreadful hockey. Not a huge surprise seeing as the Jekyll-and-Hyde Act was what plagued the Flyers last season causing them to scoot into the playoffs at the last possible moment. It remains to be the biggest frustration for us as fans. We know and, occasionally see, the fire power that this team is capable of but, for some unexplainable reason, it only shows up every so often.

Giroux has been spectacular as has been the Ville Leino-Danny Briere-Scott Hartnell line. I think it is pretty easy to say they are the undisputed top line and that they have been one of the brightest spots so far. I have also been quite happy with Darroll Powe and Andreas Nodl, our bottom line players who have filled in wherever needed and done exactly what is expected of them.

Fortunately, the defense has also looked good. There have been some bad breakdowns but otherwise, they have been consistent and solid. Andrej Mezsaros, who was absolutely terrible during the preseason, has looked good. He is still not earning that $4 mil. contract but, the hope would be that he continues to improve and develop into the top tier defender we all hope he can be. Sean O’Donnell has been a wonderful 5th/6th defensmen who can command a good chunk of ice time without making everyone nervous.

The play of rookie goalie Sergei Bobrovsky has been a very welcome addition. Brian Boucher has played quite well, also, but for some reason the the Flyers don’t want to score for him so it looks like he has been crap. We’ll face some serious issues once Leighton comes back from his injury and the Flyers will have to decide if they want to ride an inexperienced, European goalie or a career backup with reoccurring injury issues.

Needless to say, there are A LOT of question marks so far. This team also has a lot to prove, to us as the fans, the front office and management, and to themselves.

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by Mitchell Green on Nov 1, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised nobody’s commented on this nugget from Tim McManus interview with Paul Holmgren: “People might not recognize that, but Eric Wellwood and Zac Rinaldo are going to play for the Flyers. So is Erik Gustafsson and probably Ben Holmstrom and maybe Andrew Rowe or Mike Testwuide.”

Wellwood is going to play tonight, so that one was easy. Gustafsson’s name is interesting because The Flyers have 6 defensemen signed for next year and he didn’t mention Lehtuviori, Bourdon, or Marshall. It also means that there are two forwards on the Phantoms roster that Holmgren has confidence that they’ll make the NHL one day. That doesn’t seem like a lot.

by thasmin on Nov 1, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

This got brought up the other day, but largely ignored. Most people focused on Rinaldo’s name being included.

I totally glanced over Gustafsson’s name initially, so good point on Bourdon and Marshall being omitted.

And the reason it doesn’t seem like a lot is because earlier in the interview Holmgren admitted he has neglected the Phantoms. Well, not quite, but saying it’s his fault the team is so bad.

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