Wednesday Morning Fly By: NHL and Phantoms News
by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 8:27 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Remembering Pelle Lindbergh: [Flyers Faithful]
- Looking at Peter Laviolette's impact on the Flyers: [delcotimes.com]
- The Flyers are currently on their team-bonding trip: [Daily News]
- Fantastic look at how Sergei Bobrovsky could have been a Flyers years ago, and why he wasn't: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Tim McManus interviewed about half of the Phantoms about the coaching change, from Riley Cote [PostStar.com], Logan Stephenson [PostStar.com], Dan Jancevski [PostStar.com], Marc-Andre Bourdon [PostStar.com], David Laliberte [PostStar.com], Stefan Legein [PostStar.com], and Denis Hamel [PostStar.com]
- A lot of NHL news: The General Managers tabled Ken Holland's extended overtime change: [NHL.com]
- The All-Star Game will resemble a pick up game, with team captain's picking their teams: [Philly Sports Daily] [Puck Daddy] [Daily News]
- ESPN is interested in broadcasting the NHL again: [Frequent Flyers]
- Looking at a way for the NHL to get the best of both ESPN and Versus in the negotiations: [From The Rink]
- The Spectrum is scheduled for demolition November 23rd: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Remember Joni Pitkanen? Well, Oilers fans hated him too. And boy were they wrong: [The Copper & Blue]
- File this under "Geoff is happy": Luke Pither has been moved from fourth line to what I believe is the first (Hamel/Laliberte): [PSPhantoms]
- Another anti-Carter article, but when you see the numbers, you'll see why I'm linking to another one. I debated adding it for fear of Carter over-load, but it's definitely worth it: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- Lastly, from Kimmo Timonen: "You just never know about this team. We're really good when we're at our best, but some other times... we're really bad." [euroflyers]
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I am not a fan of Holland’s idea for extended overtime, but I am all for fixing overtime so that it removes the need for a S.O at the end.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
i love timonen for so many reasons and his outright honesty about his emotions and thoughts is one of them.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions
Agreed. The man is awesome.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
gimmick?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, just seems like it makes the game even more meaningless. Though, if the brought the game outdoors, played it on the pond, and actually threw the sticks in the middle for the teams, I’d be all for it.
Is this the right room for an argument?
haha, that would be pretty nice. Except who decides what sticks are tossed in the middle?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
All sticks get tossed in the middle…then you just skate in a split em in half…that’s the way we always did it for pick up games at Aston when we rented ice time. Of course, then after 5 minutes we realized the teams were horribly unbalanced and had to make some adjustments, but in an ASG that shouldn’t be a huge problem.
Is this the right room for an argument?
One of the teams will end up with 9 defensemen and four goalies, and to keep it real, said team will be called “The Philadelphia Flyers.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Nov 10, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How bout a big hand for MikeFive everybody! He’ll be here all week.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m asking who picks the guys to play in the game, not who picks the teams.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
It said it’ll be decided like always, fans vote for starters and the NHL peoples pick the rest of them. But it’ll be interesting when 10 starts get picked and they’re spread 4/6 on the teams…very interesting.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Why not? Not like the game means anything anyway.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Sure it does! It determines who has home-field advantage in the World Series!
Wait…
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This time, it matters.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds like a tag-line to a really awful action thriller with lots of explosions. And Dwayne Johnson.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Haha, thank god the NHL doesn’t do something this stupid.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I actually really like the idea. I kind of think it’d be cooler if it happened right before the game but I think it’ll be interesting and more fun for the guys themselves. Plus it could lead to heightened chemistry between teammates and thus a more exciting game. Also, it’d be great if say Danny B or Claude or Pronger didn’t have to play with Crybaby and thus I could route for the entire team they’re on. Either way it’s a better idea than denim jerseys.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
How are they half assing it? I’m not saying their not, it’s the NHL for god’s sakes but I’m just not seeing the half assery at this time in the morning. Haha.
Also just thought of something, do captains get to pick names and colors and such for their teams? That’s interesting. PLEASE tell me they’re not going MLB style and players will wear their jerseys. That would be terrible.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of think it’d be cooler if it happened right before the game
B/c they shoudl do it right before the game, with sticks on the ice. If they are concerned about getting the right numbers of each forward, dman, and goalie…then create 3 different piles of sticks.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I don’t think the point is to be random though. I think it’s like I said up there that teams will feel more comfortable with eachother.
Can we all agree on one thing, if Pronger makes it (Which he rightfully shouldn’t) he’d be last pick?
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s like I said up there that teams will feel more comfortable with eachother.
So what you are saying is we could end up with Team Canada versus the world? I just don’t see how this guarantees anyone will be more comfortable with each other since you have one person picking the teams. He probably pick teammates, former teammates, or fellow countrymen he played with at some world tournie at some point. I just don’t see how this would guarantee any more chemistry. I see it as the NHL trying to get people to watch an extra televised event, and add a gimmick that might draw a few more viewers. But meh, just my take.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Both captains will probably be Canadian, no? I mean those are the odds. So I’m not sure if what you’re worried about will happen. Also, I’m hoping that the players will all be there and thus can influence who the captain picks next. Like when you were in gym class and you always wanted to play with your best friend so you told the captain to pick that guy…or the chick you liked.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Pronger be the first pick, in fear of him killing you if you passed him over.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I didn’t consider this option. You are wise beyond your years, sir. Haha.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
haha I just needed something to be upset about this morning, and adding gimmicks to an already fairly unsuccessful event was just enough to get me going. I’ll still watch everything during the all star weekend like I always do, I just wanted to complain about it.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Right on. I understand. The thing I am pissed about regarding the ASG is the skill competition. Vs. has ruined that thing and it’s terrible now. I almost hate watching it. I hope this year it can be better.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Not a lot of fun to have Claude GIroux go against Pronger either. Who do you vote for then same as when Renberg played for the World All-Stars against Lindros and LeClair on the North American All-Stars.
Pronger shouldn’t be an All-Star this year. Do you really invest that much interest into the All-Star games that you worry about who wins? I just want to see some good goals, Crosby held off the scoreboard as much as possible and my least favorite goalies get shelled. If the team with the most Flyers wins that’s a bonus.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I like to root for the Flyers players and I don’t like to see them play against each other. And after graduating 8th grade I no longer care about fancy goals and tic tack toe passing and fancy flashy highlight plays, if it comes at the expense of good competitive hockey, which includes defense and hitting.
The All-Star Game is what it is. A giant 3 Hour NHL promotional event geared to kids 8-14 year olds and quasi hockey fans. It is not for the Hardcore Fans. It is not worth getting upset about.
IT’S AN ALL-STAR GAME! They aren’t competitive, if you want competitive then petition for the Olympics to happen every year. It’s a fun event that shows off the talent in the league. You aren’t the key demo for an ASG, that’s true. They’re geared towards kids and the non-hockey people because it’s supposed to draw them in, and if it’s done correctly it should work.
It is not worth getting upset about.
I don’t think I said it is. You were the one asking who to vote fore.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
MLB’s is pretty competitive, even if it’s stupid to have HFA come out of it (which def helped the winning team this year, BTW). But baseball is the only competitive ASG.
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You’re right. MLB’s has a reason to be competitive and the NL getting their asses handed to themselves for so many years had something to do with that as well.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
These last few years the games have been pretty exciting IMO. It’s really the only ASG I watch.
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Yeah. Carl Crawford’s catch in (08 was it?) was amazing. They’re fun. Especially when Dan Uggla is playing. Can’t spell Uggla without three Es.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
True.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ugglaeee, a.k.a. “a good little hitter.” /Wheels
It will be weird to look at the Marlins next season without Choady Ross and The Pockmarked Jorge Cantu.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Jorge Cantu is always vomit-inducing.
They still have Hanley Ramirez… they just need to get his less-talented brother, Stanley.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Because Baseball is different it is hard to hurt yourself or another player in Baseball with physical play. I don’t remember many players running into the wall and only Pete Rose in 80 crashing into the Catcher.
But the sports with all the physical contact like football, basketball and hockey it is worth worth getting a concussion or breaking a foot to block a shot in a meaningless game.
I believe the 2009 Mets would disagree with you on the injury front. Players can and do get hurt all the time in any sport. Yes, in contact sports its more prevalent, but if the hockey ASG had anything riding on it, certainly it would be more competitive.
It’s stupid to do it, but there you have it.
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I know that is exactly what it is as it should be.
Typo vote = root.
My Bad SHAUN.
On an other not.
Fan voting is horrible idea for the record and if Rory Fitzpatrick got voted in as a starer several years ago the whole notion might have been thrown out by now.
I knew what you meant, wasn’t getting on you for the vote thing.
Fan voting does suck but do you trust all the NHL GMs to come up with something better? haha
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Hockey Writers Association used to decide the teams before they figured out how to advertise the voting ballot and now with the internet.
Ahh, I would trust that. Still, the game is about fans so you gotta let them have a say. This year though, given how it’s going to be they should just vote for Captains.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Fan voting is horrible idea for the record and if Rory Fitzpatrick got voted in as a starer several years ago the whole notion might have been thrown out by now.
I am officially starting a website, OopsPoweSurprise.com, where we all can vote Darroll Powe into the All-Star Game.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Or maybe write in as many enforcers as possible. That might mke things a bit more interesting.
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I’m with Kreider. It’s a gimmick, but at least it’s kind of a fun gimmick. If it leads to everyone being loose and fun, that’s probably a bonus from a marketing standpoint.
Is anyone going to be pissed if it’s Ovie v. Crosby? This would be the one time I wouldn’t mind them marketing a game that way.
For the All Star Game having Captains choose is a good idea, but the way they have it I think sucks for the following reasons:
1) It’s just two captains and no conference restrictions, so we know who the two will be, Crosby and Ovechkin (as if not having Crosby vs. Ovechkin for the Winter Classic isn’t enough).
2) Since there are no conference restrictions, I don’t like the idea of having mixed players play against each other. I mean it’s an ok idea, just not something I’d like to see. The whole East vs. West thing is something I like.
3) Not having every team represented in the All Star Game. I always liked the fact that no matter what every team will have at least one player representing their team at the All Star Game. I think that’s nice and fair for small market teams or a team without a star player who doesn’t get voted on. Now some teams are most likely not going to have any kind of representation at all.
4) Captain’s favorites. I think if this becomes an annual thing and it seems the two most popular players in the league win year in and year out, they’ll end up picking a lot of “their guys”, either from their team or home country, or just the same ones year in and year out. I do like having variety at the All Star Games from year to year and seeing different players and matchups.
Now if they make it so the game is still East vs. West, and have one Captain for each team, and they can only pick within their conference, and they have to have 1 player from each team, I will like it a lot better.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 10, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
The captains aren’t picking the players. They’re picking FROM the All-Stars.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I must have missed that.
Thanks for clarifying, now my rant seems stupid…. but I guess makes sense if what I interpreted was right.
I’m glad it’s that way now, so I think I’ll actually enjoy this, as long as the Captains aren’t Crosby and Ovechkin, or either one of them. (I want Richie)
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by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Also, it seems like there’s two captains per team, unless I’m reading the official info wrong:
After the 42 NHL All-Stars have been selected, two captains will be chosen per team by the players.
Hmmm well if it’s two captains per team that’s not so bad, not just Crosby all the time since him and Ovie always are the top vote-getters.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 10, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hockey on ESPN again….be still my beating heart. If only they could bring back all the commentators as well.
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No Gary Thorne. SHEEAAHT! SCORRRRE!!!!! LOUD NOISES!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’d take SHEEAAHT! SCOOOORRRRRREEE! over HIT THE POST WITH THE SHAAAAAAAAWWTT! any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Anecdotes about some random player’s childhood… Meanwhile, YOU watch as Jones skates it up the middle.
/Doc
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Exactly. But you forgot to mention awkward praise for Sidney Crosby from Edzo when it’s the Blackhawks playing the Red Wings.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite was always Steve “CENTERING FEED!” Levy.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 10, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
extending OT
Ken Hollad 3v3 OT Hockey is an abortion. He wants less of a shootout and more games ending in OT and regulation as most of us do. But instead of adding more gimmicks and taking away the team game you fix the problem off the ice.
1) 3 point regulation win. An incentives for winning in regulation will drive to teams to win in regulation and stop them from holding out for as much to guarantee themselves 1 point. We seen that last year with the Rangers in Game 82 they definitely wanted to force OT and then the SO. Good in theory move given the Flyers suck in the SO and Lundquist was practically unbeatable. Didn’t work to well though.
2) Go back to a 10 minute OT. Half a period of OT then a shootout.
3v3 Hockey is not Hockey that is not even video game Hockey. A more legitimate way to decide a game is to have two enforcers fight for the charity point judged by the War Room in Toronto. At least then we could stop complaining about Shelly’s contract.
3v3 seems pretty pointless to me. He means it’s not a representation of the actual game. How can a game be decided by anything less than the game of hockey. 4v4 is at least feasible but 3v3 is just people running back and forth
I’m gona miss the begining of the game, forcibly being forced to go to Gettysburg.
Anywho, who do you think is next to get resigned?
NOT CARTER
Let's do it again
That is one forceful trip.
IMO, it’s going to be Carter.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Gettysburg is not bad. But I was a history major, so I enjoyed it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed it when I went, and I hated history.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I was a little put off by the commercialization of Gettysburg. I liked Antietam better, but I was also hungover when we went to Gettysburg, so I was a little cranky.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it that battles were alway fought in National Parks, or next to national monuments?
by Prometheus74 on Nov 10, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a great question…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
They should call it “Geddysburg!”
Whoa yeah!
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by mikefive on Nov 10, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He aint even American.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but loving Geddy Lee is as American as baseball and apple pie, damnit!
Besides, I got the idea for that here.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Plus, his real name isn’t even Geddy – it’s Gary Weinrib. His parents were holocaust survivors who went to Canada after WWII and spoke English with thick accents, so they pronounced “Gary” as “Geddy”.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Plus, his real name isn’t even Geddy
You take that back right now!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But, these two knew that rock stars don’t have names like Gary Weinrib and Alex Zivojinovich, so they changed them early on. Did you see the new Rush documentary (Beyond the Lighted Stage)? It ‘s awesome. I’ve been a huge Rush fan since I first heard them in the late 70s.
Sarauj, Latvija!
GEDDY LEEEEE!!!!
As a bassist I really admire him and draw a lot of inspiration musically from him.
Rec’d because Rush is one of the greatest bands ever!!
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by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 10, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
anti-carter article
Geoff did you really have to link that. I mean that is nothing in there that we haven’t heard before and doesn’t include any statistical evidence or anything. It one of a million anti-Carter fanposts that when be through all before.
For the Record Carter is the teams leading ES goal scorer and point point producer so far this season and as he was last season.
ES
Briere 3G 2A
Richards 2G 3A
Giroux 1G 6A
Leino 2G 5A
Carter 4G 4A
We spent much time arguing what Carter is, a 30 goal scorer, a 40 goal scorer or a 35.823 goal scorer whatever. Many people believer Carter will never get back to that 40 goal mark. But does that have anything to do with him player Center vs. Wing? Probably not. He didn’t get there last year playing Center last either.
i just hope hope we sign Leino
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I do too. I would rate Leino over Zherdev any day. But I Would say Carter is, now after giroux, the next in line for more imortant.
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maybe. But Leino wont require the payday Carter will. Thats the ultimate problem here. Salary Cap. If we were still living in an uncapped era, I dont think anyone would be calling to trade Carter.
Thing is if you give Carter anther 5-6 mil, where is the money coming from to bring in and hold onto guys like Leino? If you let Leino go that really doesnt solve any cap issues. He’s not making that much and his raise wouldnt be up to 4-5 mil. More like 2.5 probably.
Who wants to take on Briere or Hartnell’s contract? Do we want to trade Briere in the first place knowingg his recent history of coming up big in the playoffs?
Thing with Carter is he gives you the best combination of trade-ability, clearing needed cap room, and possibly getting you something decent in return whether it be a winger or picks at a cheaper price.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
carter makes 5 mill already, so his cap really won’t change. So he’s not the problem. Its the Leinos who will make 1.5 mill more then they do now that are hard to fit. But consider the Zherdev will come off next year, so that’s an extra 2 mill. Plus possibly Leighton or Boosh(hopefully we keep Boosh when Leighton gets back), the fact that Lappy will stay on LTIR, and hopefuly homer gets slapped and realizes how bad Shelley is. And Powe probably won’t be back(vefy sad about that). So it comes down to replacing zherdev, shelley, and powe with wellwood, nodl, and someone else.
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just because his cap hit wont change doesnt mean its not a problem. clearing 5 million that helps us sign Leino and get a couple more key wingers seems like a good solution to me. All depends on just how much you think Carter is worth now and will he hit his “potential” in the future and be worth the money because in my opinion he isnt worth it now.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Have you played around with CapGeek? I posted a ton of scenarios yesterday, none of which were easy/good/possible.
If you can post your team that has Leino and Carter, that’d be great. Because you can’t just say “Leighton’s gone, Lappy on LTIR (because a) he’s not on LTIR now; and b) LTIR is not a good option), therefore we get $2.6 million”.
You have to replace those players. Try it and tell me what you’re thinking. The Flyers have 17 players costing over $52 million for next year. With this year’s cap, that’s only $7 million in space. You add in Carter’s $5 million, you suddenly have $2 million to re-sign Leino and add at least 3 players with $1 million.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t play with Cap geek yet. I want too though. But if it does come down to it then yeah I’d trade Carter. But I think there are other tradable, high priced players I’d trade first.
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This is going to come off snarky, so I apologize:
The only high priced players you would trade have no-trade clauses. Force them out the door – ignoring their no-trade clause – and get Matt Walker and a fourth because you just HAVE to fit in Jeff Carter?
Back to our regularly scheduled, respectful conversation:
It is definitely possible to have Carter and Leino next year, including raises, but you almost certainly need the salary cap to go up. And you need to get rid of Matt Walker. Then you probably need to get rid of Leighton while having Wellwood, Nodl, and Powe in your lineup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
You just had to say that name didn’t you? DIDN’T YOU!?
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Walker?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
You know that name makes me want to vomit!
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Carter hasn’t done anything wrong to put himself in this situation. It’s just the reality of today’s NHL.
This statement from bleedorangewhiteblack is one of the most concise descriptions I’ve seen of why the team should consider getting rid of Carter:
Thing with Carter is he gives you the best combination of trade-ability, clearing needed cap room, and possibly getting you something decent in return whether it be a winger or picks at a cheaper price.
Agreed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
it’s just the bottom line of all things and i dont undertand how people dont see it.
trading and losing guys like Leino/Gagne (yep ill bring it up)/Carle/etc. doesnt clear the cap room we’re going to need to make it worthwhile. Plus trading Carle is counterproductive to the idea that we got those extra d guys to give Pronger and Timonen some rest and as far as the future… Odonnell is certainly isnt the future, you need someone else other than Coburn to try to hopefully be the future of the defense.
need to rid an expensive contract – Briere/Hartnell? Good luck finding a trading partner that will take on all of their salary, not to mention, Briere brings it in the playoffs I dont want him traded.
Not to mention neither one nets you the prospect/pick/cheaper but effective winger(s) the Flyers could use that Carter might.
I was pissed about trading Gagne, because in the end it was pointless, it didnt solve anything. Sure i loved him as a player, but it was the bigger picture that Homer was ignoring that was infuriating.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
IMO you have to be a pretty informed fan to “see it.” If you don’t read sites like this regularly, pay attention to the cap, etc. you probably won’t see it. Just watching the games won’t lead you to some of these opinions so it doesn’t bother me that some people don’t see it.
I’m sure there are many other flyers topics that I can’t see so I like to go easy on folks in hopes they’ll return the kindness in the future. :)
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In a WORLD where NO ERA is left UNCAPPED…
There can be ONLY ONE…
REASONABLE DEAL.
Ville Leino AS Billy Freno IN:
THE REASONABLE DEAL.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
if it really means anything to anyone, but I though Carter was the best player on the ice for us in the month before he got hurt. He started tearing it up, and was, imo, one of the reasons we actually made the playoffs. I can understand calling him inconsistant(and who on the flyers isnt anyway?), but he carred our offense late last year.
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This season the Flyers have 31% of their dollars tied up among 5 true centers on the roster, Carter being the 5th.
Next season the Flyers already have 32% of their dollars tied up among the 4 centers they have chosen to move forward with as an organization. Richards, Briere, Giroux, Betts. Carter is unaccounted for.
That’s largely why I linked it, because how much money do you want tied up in your centers? And on guys who aren’t effective when moved to the wing?
But second, Carter is not our most effective player at 5-on-5. How is that possible?? Because only Briere gets more 5-on-5 ice time per game.
Points per 60 minutes? Carter’s 2.33 is fifth on the team behind Betts, Nodl, Giroux, and Leino.
Goals per 60 minutes? His 1.55 is behind Nodl, Betts, and Zherdev.
Flyers goals per 60? His 2.72 is 8th on the team behind Nodl, Hartnell, Betts, Leino, Briere, Powe, and Giroux.
Ok, how about not accounting for ice time, since clearly that’s unfair to Carter. He’s played more at 5-on-5, therefore everyone above him is benefiting from a small sample size, right? Wrong. Flyers goals scored while on the ice: Carter – 7. Hartnell, Leino, and Briere have been on the ice for more.
But he plays great two-way! His plus/minus is better, right? No, his 0.39 per 60 is 9th on the team. His plus-1 is tied for 7th on the team.
Just because he has more points at even-strength doesn’t mean he’s our best even-strength player.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Best even strength scorer and point producer is what I said.
And where does Richards fall in with all those categories. Is Carter ahead of him?
id say Geoff’s stats are far more indicative of Carter’s impact than simple totals of goals and assists and show that Carter isnt our best even strength scorer or point producer.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
And I just showed you, he’s not the best 5-on-5, non-empty net scorer and point producer. Because ice time matters.
You can certainly argue small sample size (especially with Betts and Nodl), but he’s not producing more points or scoring more goals or creating more goals than the team.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Betts especially is going to regress. He’s on pace to score 20 goals this year.
If that happens, I will get you Brian Boucher’s autograph.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Mike, Mike, Mike… You know I don’t want his autograph.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well, then, pray that Betts doesn’t bag 20.
Remember “Klatt Bags 20, Missanelli Bags Groceries” back in 1997? It’s happening again. Oh yes. It’s happening again.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
haha, no I do not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Early in the 1996-97 season, someone called Mike Missanelli up and said that Trent Klatt would score 20 goals that year. Missanelli said that if Klatt scored 20 goals that year, he (Mike) would buy Klatt’s groceries for a year.
Klatt bagged goal #20 during a late-season game against Hartford (at The Mall, no less) and someone in attendance held up a sign: Klatt Bags 20, Missanelli Bags Groceries
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Compare Carter to the other scoring forwards Briere, Richards, Giroux, Leino, Hartnell, JVR, Zherdev,
Among those you listed:
Points per 60, he’s below Giroux and Leino.
Goals per 60, he’s below Zherdev.
Team goals for, he’s below Hartnell, Leino, Briere, and Giroux.
Team goals per 60, he’s below Hartnell, Leino, Briere, and Giroux.
Just off that, at best, he’s the team’s third-best scorer and point producer at 5-on-5.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Okay so besides the Briere-Leino-Hartnell line and Giroux he is better than everyone else. How does this equal can play wing? He is the second best LW on the team? And 3rd best center and best faceoff guy. What metric can you find that says he must be traded or that he doesn’t fit on the team? Along as he gets paid somewhere between Hartnell and Richards he is perfectly fine. Plus he provides the added benefit of being able to play center when needed.
You realize he’s been at Center for a pretty long time, right? He filled in when Briere was suspended and he centered Powe/Giroux before and after that suspension.
And “better than everyone else” is saying he’s better than Richards, JVR, and Zherdev. A line that has no identity. And has since been broken up. And has two players who have been healthy scratches.
So saying he’s better than those three… is that not enough proof for you that he’s not the best scorer and point-producer? He’s better than two guys who don’t make $3.5 million combined and the guy who is lugging them around? That isn’t enough for you?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Then is Giroux doing fine playing on the wing??
The JVR-Giroux-Zherdev line didn’t work either. When they moved Carter to Center and Giroux to wing both players started producing at even strength.
And in the 3 games without Danny B with Carter moved up to Center, Giroux has only 1 ES point on the fluky Zherdev goal that Lundquist let by.
Is this the beginning stages of “Giroux can’t play wing either, therefore he doesn’t belong on this team.” argument?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
No I am angered that you think so little of me.
It is a continuation of my argument that Giroux SHOULD play wing. It is where I feel that he is where he is at his best and has been his best this season.
Well, do you see that JVR is the link between those two lines not working?
And if you’re saying Giroux only has 1 even strength point on the wing, how does that suggest he’s better there?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Giroux was playing Center those last 3 games with Carter moving up to the Briere line. 1ES point has Center. All his PP points he is on the wing not that that matters.
JVR as little has he has done shouldn’t be responsible for dragging down every line he has been on. He isn’t producing and invisible but I think players of Giroux and Carter and Richards caliber are able to rise above that.
I can understand calling him inconsistant(and who on the flyers isnt anyway?)
Ha! Truth.
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Reply fail.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
haha that’s one thing that makes me cring. I hate when people call out carte for slumping, but never anyone else. It just makes me think that they don’t even wath the games, or only watched the past two playoffs.
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I think it’s just more tolerable when like Richie slumps or Danny slumps because they all suck in different ways. With Carter it’s usually being right there but missing the net by 7 feet. Whereas Briere and Richie just aren’t even in the right arena some nights.
I would venture to say that Kimmo doesn’t slump though, if you had to nail one Flyer as consistent I’d pick the Finnish God of Defense.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
and when Richards slumps he’s still out there busting his ass defending, checking, and even fighting if he has to.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Truth.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Richards defends, but man when he slumps he can be the biggest ghost on the team.
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Truth there. Carter Richards Danny and even Giroux none of those players are perfect. That all have flaws.
I will say that Carter, along with Coburn and Mez, is great at one thing. They freaking shoot the puck. I hate when danny or giroux, jvr, hartnell, richards, pronger, kimmo, etc. Always pass when they have the shot.
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true, but what I mean is that there are way too many times when the flyers go “pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, turnover”. At a certain point just take a blast and hope to get a rebound or the goalie misplays the puck. Were a dirty goal type of team, we don’t need every goal to be a sports center top 10.
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I think that just might be because you’re used to seeing him impact things offensively. If you don’t notice him, fine, but that’s because he isn’t making you notice a poor defensive effort.
Well, they always say the best defender are the least noticeable.
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yeah Kimmo and Peonger are always consistently great. Betts is consistent at what he does, so is Powe and Carciillo, which makes them great 4th line guys. Shelley consistently sucks, so he’s technically consistent I guess. Bobs has been consistent thus far, but way too early to tell.
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Pronger, when HEALTHY, is slightly more consistent than the rest. Betts is great at what he does so, yeah I’d put him up there too. Powe is the man, Carbomb is used so inconsistently that it’s hard to say but he’s consistently a thorn in the other team’s ass so that’s good. Bobs is a Flyers goaltender thus no matter how he plays he will never be consistent, it’s just not their nature. Haha.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
checks was aways a consistent goalie, until it became spring.
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Hahaha, exactly.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Carter has 11pts in 15 games that is 0.7333.
In 08 he had 1.034 in his career year.
Last season 0.824.
Point wise he is not that far off from where he was last year to this year getting slight less ice time per game and learning a new position. He started off slow and picked it up recently.
We’re not talking year to year, at least I’m not. We’re talking game to game.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Where do you what his numbers to be right now to say he was working out fine on the wing? Did he need to put up Stamkos numbers I am not sure. He hasn’t been a SuperStar so far but he has been pretty solid.
Dude, just saying that some games you get wicked wrister Carter and other games you get Val Kilmer from Top Gun.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Please come back with his Points per 60 to compare to his other team mates at 5 on 5. This way it is normalized for ice time.
Thanks…
Is this the right room for an argument?
He is fifth on the team technically. And is only behind only Giroux and Leino amongst players who get over 12 minutes per game.
I know Chris, but I’m saying actually go out and look at it for once. I’m trying to use this opportunity to get you to go look up some of that stuff, not just take what Geoff gave you then use NHL.com stats. Honestly, go to behindthenethockey.com and look on the left tab of the page for links to stats. Just go and look it all up. Present what you find.
Fankly I’m staying out of the stat debate b/c that is irrelevant in my thought process. The Flyers already have 4 centers signed for next season, and Carter’s contract is up at the end of this year. To me it makes more sense to go a direction other than Carter. I know you disagree, I just was explaining why I’m not jumping in tot he stats thing. I just want you to go check them out for your own benefit.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Wrong link, Don.
www.behindthenet.ca is where the stats are. www.behindthenethockey.com is the SBN blog.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yes and on the left side of the page, are links to behindthenet.ca. I took Chris to the SBN Blog b/c I was hoping he’d do some reading while he was there as well.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Ah, I see what you’re saying. I apologize. I thought you were directing him to the stats.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I am, but I wanted him to go through that site b/c I think reading some of Gabe’s articles might be interesting for him or anyone not particularly interested in stats at first.
Plus I just assumed you were taking out the ADK thing on me haha.
Is this the right room for an argument?
No, I’m taking that out on Travis.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
My point is Carter is playing perfectly fine on the wing so far and improving game to game and having a spare top line Center is not a drawback it is a benefit.
What exactly did Carter have to do statistically so far on the wing to meet your expectations or requirements for keeping on the team as a winger.
As I said above, he’s not playing on the wing. That experiment was scrapped about 6 or 7 games into the season. He’s been at center ever since.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
This will never end and is waste of time. We just have to agree to disagree on Carter. Carter is most likely not going anywhere especially this season. We will just have to agree to disagree on this. Wherever he is playing and whatever he is doing right now is good enough for me. He is not hurting the team in any way and when he started scoring the team starting winning. If he gets extended we can discuss his cap hit and if he gets traded we can discuss his return. I will give my honest opinion on what I feel about that. I am not attached to Carter I just don’t think it is possible to get fair value in return in trade especially this season that will make this team anymore successful for this year. Right now I don’t want to clear space and get draft picks. In the offseason depending on what cap does, I might.
“I just don’t think it is possible to get fair value in return in trade especially this season that will make this team anymore successful for this year”
i think its very possible. Getting Richards one or two true wingers to work with could make a big impact, and allow Richards/Briere/Giroux/Betts to all fall comfortably in place at center, where they all belong.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
Will you get a 40 goal scorer for Carter? Probably not but you could get one or two players that can held solidify the lines, and in so doing improving the abilities of others around them and possibly create some cap space. That to me, is improving the team, this year, and going forward.
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and bingo was his name-o
besides a 40 goal scorer for Carter isnt equivalent value, that’d be greater value, much greater for him.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Probably, but I do think Carter can be a 40 goal scorer, or close to it if he is in a system that works for him, or on a team that doesn’t have a log jam at center.
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fair enough.
Carter right now seems like a version of Kovy. He can be great when he’s “the guy”, but only when he’s “the guy” and that’s it. That’s not a formula for a cup winning team and it’s not the formula for the flyers now.
how’s kovy working out for the devil’s?
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think Carter can/would flourish if he had the opportunity to be the leader with talented young players beneath him.
He’d be a prick, but he would be scary good
I honestly think the same about Malkin.
He would crank it back up to 11 if he was the leader of a team
by Prometheus74 on Nov 10, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
one of the reasons i didnt understand Malkin staying.
I mean i get it, he likes the team, he thinks the pens have a good shot to win a bunch of cups.
but at the same time. I think he is that good to lead a team by himself and get paid as such.
i think stayin in pittsburgh has only stunted his career, Crosby always is going to be the guy there, and when things go wrong it seems that Malkin is the goat. Crosby gets all the credit and none of the blame.
If im malkin, i got my cup, not even so much as to get paid, but to prove that I can be the #1 guy and dont need Crosby, because I think my talents are capable of that.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
and the thing is we could trade Carter and he could put up crooked numbers elswhere and then people would complain about trading him, but the truth would be he wouldnt have achieved that level staying here.
although who knows, that would just be my guess
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want a 40 goal scorer. I want 25-28 year old 30 goal scoring 70 point winger. I don’t think you are going to get someone like that for Carter at a much cheaper cap hit. If you can replace his scoring than fine but I don’t think you can and scoring goals in this teams biggest problem. Like I said yesterday I would rather trade away one of the Carle, Coburn of Mez to make up the Cap Room.
sigh
and then your putting more of the load back on Timonen and Pronger, which is more detrimental to the team than losing Carter, who is one of 5 centers, and the least important out of those 5. They didnt go out and get Meszo and resign Coburn to just trade them away.
and trading any of those you mentioned doesnt clear enough cap space to do what we need to do. Only Meszaros would and again that would totally defeat the purpose of why we got him in the first place – to lighten Pronger and Timonen’s load.
also what we would get in return for Carle/Mez/Coburn wouldnt be much, as oppose to Carter who could net you something good.
it all comes back to my previous statement:
“Thing with Carter is he gives you the best combination of trade-ability, clearing needed cap room, and possibly getting you something decent in return whether it be a winger or picks at a cheaper price.”
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I feel it is easier to replace the person who lightens Pronger and Kimmo’s load next season from our D-Heavy Farm system. Then it would be to replace the person who scores at worst 30 goals and 70 points.
They aren’t ready to lighten anyone’s load. they would just be third pairing guys like Bartulis, Parent and Krajicek who couldn’t be counted on.
Next year I think one of those 6 guys should be capable enough and not be a total liability on the ice.
Also Mez has shown the ability to carry a pairing. Something Coburn could not do last year. He was a shell of himself without Kimmo. If you keep Mez and Carle you can pair Gustuffsson with Kimmo. They looked really good in the preseason and replaced O’Donnell should too hard. You can alway resign if he wants to play some more.
Obviously we can pair both the new D-Men together and have a complete rookie pairing.
Also Mez has shown the ability to carry a pairing.
Please tell me you aren’t Comparing O’Donnell to one of Parent, OKT, Bartulis, Syvret, or Krajicek. Come on Chris, you are better than that awful comparison.
Actually one could just as easily make the case that O’Donnell is carrying Meszaros given that his +/-ON/60 is a team high 2.30, and Meszaros is right behind him with a 1.66. I’m not going to make that argument b/c I think they are working well as a pair. However to say Meszaros is carrying O’Donnell is absolutely ludicrous.
Is this the right room for an argument?
The problem I have is that you constantly change what you’re saying.
First, it’s that he’s the best even-strength scorer and point-producer. He’s not.
Then, it’s that he’s performing when on the wing. Except he’s not on the wing.
Now, it’s he won’t get fair value.
Then, when we discuss his contract – which might be an overpayment, but which will necessitate a move I will surely disagree with – we’ll have the same argument. With a “what’s done is done” tilt coming from you (similar to the Meszaros tone).
If you like Jeff Carter, fine. I don’t. I freely admit I do not like Jeff Carter. I also do not like Randy Jones, Michael Leighton, and Joffrey Lupul. But those guys aren’t very popular (sorry, Shaun), so nobody cares too much. Carter, however, scores goals. So people like him. Fine.
The problem is when people don’t see why I don’t like him. He doesn’t fit. The Flyers can’t sign him and get better. He plays a position the Flyers have too many of. And more things. But that doesn’t matter.
As I asked JpH, I’d love to see what your 2011-12 Flyers look like.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lupol was popular…for whatever reason.
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Really? I didn’t think so, but okay. Either way, I’m saying he isn’t now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Well I didn’t like him but like Snevik said, he was liked in the locker room and I know a decent amount of people who liked him.
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Ah, okay. Then yes, we agree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Why are you apologizing to me?
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I mentioned Lupul before and you got defensive (specifically about Monica liking him. A lot.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I got defensive but I just said that I enjoyed watching him play and that Monica liked him cause he was “a cutie.”
Hartsy Cartsy and Lups was a great line, they were fun to watch, I think a lot more people liked him than you think.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well, again, I used the present tense “aren’t very popular” as opposed to “weren’t”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Right. But that could probably be that he hasn’t played, what like 60 games in the past three years?
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
oh it was a good line. But i think lupes was one of those guys that needed to go for the team overall to get better even though he was a pretty good player for us. Putting Pronger with Timonen upgraded this team more so than keeping Lupul would have and what Lupul’s raise in money wouldnt have been worth it.
wait a minute…did I just describe Lupul or Carter?
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying we should have kept him. Just saying I like him when he was here.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
i understand. I liked him too.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
id you asked paul holmgren that question
id be terrified of his initial reaction… i feel like there’d be head scratching motion and some stuttering involved.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Nov 10, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if the players picked last for the teams will feel like the fat kids in gym class?
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I’m sure there will be a huge amount of shit given to them by their respective teams. I honestly think that adds to my enjoyment of this event. I think it’s going to be hilarious.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I guess we’re going to find out who the well-liked guys in the NHL really are, eh? Crosby and Ovechkin should not be allowed to be captains and there should be a rule that one team cannot have both.
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I’m thinking it’d be Crosby and Toewes.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
If it had to be a Western conference guy I could see it being either of the Sedin’s (Henrik I guess gets the nod), Datsyuk, or Zetterberg. But Toews is being marketed so I guess I could see that.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I was thinking a Sedin as well but I don’t think they’re being promoted in a way that Toews is. Also, apparently his team won something last year or something? I don’t remember that.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t see Lidstrom not captaining the West. Toews probably comes after that.
by red army line on Nov 10, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Really? I’d still think Lidstrom is one of the captains, if he’s still playing. I’m pretty sure he’s the most highly reputed skater in the league and one of the oldest.
by red army line on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect they would like to use the two Stanley Cup Final Teams captains representing the next years All star team Captains
However…..
As much as I respect Richards effort, Im not sure he is going to make the list this year which would kill that idea
but the commish has been known to (allegedly) pull a few strings for a Pennsylvania hockey team, who says he cant do it for another Penn team.
by Prometheus74 on Nov 10, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
No they’re being voted in by the players chosen to participate. I’m not sure on how the voting works or whether it’s East vs West.
I missed that
Thanks
I also like that idea
by Prometheus74 on Nov 10, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why cant Crosby and Ovi be the captains? I figure they should if they want it to be best player vs. best player.
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Because you already have that for the WC. It would be nice to have 2 different captains—it’s not like there aren’t other good players in hockey. Plus, then you have the added drama of who gets to pick them for their teams.
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Also, I think even though it’s not East vs West they’d still want to represent both conferences.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but the all star game is only a glorified pick up game. Its fun to watch the best players just fool around and play for fun and nothing else. Thats why the baseball all star game is so stupid, because your adding a very important aspect of what could be a deciding factor in the World series on a game that most players don’t really play 100% on. I would like to see these guys have fun at the all star game more then root for a certain team. Besides, how cool would it be if Giroux and Richards played against eachother?
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I doubt one team would have both captains, because they split the votes (despite the fact that a Sedin-Sedin matchup would be relatively awesome). Why shouldn’t it be Crosby and Ovechkin? This is one time the marketing would make sense.
Normally, I wouldn’t care, but they are already both in the WC and I’m burnt out on them already.
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I’ve burnt out on the media attention on them a while ago, but the ASG is an event created for media attention. Wouldn’t you rather the “It’s Crosby! Versus! Ovechkin!” commercials be warranted for once?
Believe me, it’s just as annoying to Eastern Conference fans. Perhaps more so, since we play one of the two a dozen times a year.
Yeah, I hear you…but having our stars and rookies overlooked constantly adds extra salt to my wounds. It’s wearisome.
I was up in Vancouver for the playoff series last spring, and there were playoff bus stop ads with Ovie and Sid. I thought, “Couldn’t even give a shout out to a Sedin in Vancouver, NHL?” Sheesh.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
My friend is an Avalanche fan, and every time he’s sees an article about Giroux, he emails it to me, and compares the G/A/Pts totals of Stewart and Giroux.
For those that don’t get that reference: Stewart has ridiculous numbers.
Bobrovsky
Seems like the word is getting out about Bobs. Puck Daddy just put this article/interview:
Sarauj, Latvija!
Thanks, as with all Puck Daddy articles it actually looks like he took questions and answers from other Bob interviews and pasted them.
Lazy media at its best but who doesn’t loves themselves more Bob.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Question...
…where are you getting the “lazy media” from this article? Is it the one answer that was quoted from Philly.com? Or were the 24 completely original questions from Dmitry and answers from Bob not enough for you?
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies if I offended you and your love for Puck Daddy.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
My apologies if I offended you and your clear distaste for Puck Daddy.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 10, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Side note:
Is there any goalie in the world wouldn’t describe themselves as a hybrid?
Optimus Prius
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Bob interview on Puck Daddy
Chesnokov conducted an interview with Bob and I must say, it was a damn good read. An actual in depth interview…no jokes, no cliches, but real journalism. I am impressed
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions
Two comments, six minutes apart:
my sole purpose here was to just shit on jeff and leave
this wasnt some planned attack. I just think Jeff is a tool, and every now and then I like to let him know.
hahahahahahaha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Again, no offense to the other players on our team, But Carter is just one of the tools in this tool box of a team haha.
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referenced to his SBN article on Richards. This guy calls Geoff, Jeff, in order to get under his skin I guess.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Ahh, gotcha.
.
Wait, nobody trolls Geoff but me damn-it. Now I’m pissed.
Samesis
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At least when I bolster my opinions without ration facts to back them up, I get Geoff mad haha.
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haha, exactly. Because – believe it or not – I respect what you have to say. And you’ll actually say something.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to start doing that to people I know named Jeff / Geoff.
Or, maybe not. My engineer is named Jeff and I got an email about my going to record there this Saturday. Because his name was right next to the subject header in my Gmail, it said:
Jeff Saturday
So I thought of this guy:
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Translation for ToddtheFox, Katchis and other international Flyers fans
This is Jeff Saturday, congenial host of the high-rated reality TV series, “Dancing is the Goal!” featuring famous celebrities like T.O. Talker, Chad Nadacinco, and Peyton “Happy Feet” Manning.
The goal on the show is to showcase your individual dance talents.
Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt.
I live in America and didn’t even know what that is.
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Nov 10, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
What a dick…and he spelled your name wrong. Twice!
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wait, he WAS actually talking about you? Nevermind. I thought he was bagging on Carter.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
haha, he was. It’s one of his desperate attempts to get me to reply to him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like none of that even had to be said. I mean we all know you’re a tool and we’re relatively sure that you know you’re a tool. Right? So what’s the point?
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
You really are a tool…I think that’s why we get along. I’m still pseudo pissed at you for starting that whole pseudo fight I had with Jenn over when things got cleaned/put away in our house…that was such a tool move.
Though I guess I should thank you, I now have avoided probably 5 different stink eyes by hanging up the laundry immediately.
Is this the right room for an argument?
haha, see? And that all started with a compliment!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, you are very tricky. I may like you, but I don’t know if I trust you…especially since you have told me how young my mom looks as to what you expected, and how much you missed my fiance…I’m on to you Detweiler
Is this the right room for an argument?
You cannot trust him. Don’t turn your back on that John Krasinsky lookin’ motha effa. Also don’t expect him to apologize ever…he can’t apparently,
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Haha…I’m learning about the apologies…they come…but only in the form of explanation that clearly demonstrate how Geoff was in no way at fault. You just need to learn to read between the lines.
Is this the right room for an argument?
When i read between the lines I get “I wasn’t so much right and I don’t necessarily feel great about that. But I was still not wrong exactly.”
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
But beneath that is a sad puppy dog yearning for your forgiveness.
Is this the right room for an argument?
But he keeps peeing on my rug!! There’s only so many times I can rub his nose into it. And it really tied the room together!
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know any hipster tool whos anywhere near a hipster tool as Geoff.
Samesis
http://orangecrunch.blogspot.com/
You take that back!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa…let’s just hold on one minute here…
Are pearl snaps really hipster wear?
Is this the right room for an argument?
they are worn by hipsters, usually above an ironic tee shirt from urban outfitters or thredless.
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They are also worn by other people, like me and Don.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m buying the new vampire weekend vinal disk this weekend.
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The old one of those is so much better than the new one. The new one is just so cliche.
Mourning Gagne forever.
The funny thing is that a lot of them worship celebrity.
Like Lady Gaga. Pitchfork said that “Bad Romance” was essential listening so everyone should love it. And so everyone does.
I don’t know why this is.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Just get a copy of Paul Simon’s Graceland and you’re better off.
Oh no I dit-in’t!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
OOOH (Pearl) SNAP!
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but I was essentially saying that Vampire Weekend ripped off Graceland big time. Instead of ostensibly being inspired directly by African music, it sounds like they’re inspired by another white songwriter who actually worked with African musicians and wrote a brilliant album.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This is very true, but part of the reason why I like them, b/c I like Paul Simon.
Is this the right room for an argument?
This is what I have a problem with… and it’s not so much the bands creating the music, it’s the crowdsourcing / press / hype machine which builds them up.
Rock music, by its nature, is revivalist. To some extent, any new music is going to reflect that which has gone before. But to me, that doesn’t give an artist carte blanche to simply become an updated version of a previous band. But that is what the critics promote, and to quote Christopher R. Weingarten, it’s “the music that most people can stand.” So it gets the biggest build-up, and hipsters act like they’re all smarter than you because they know this band… and meanwhile, that band isn’t doing anything new or worthy of discussion.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Fair enough. I just go now with I like what I like. For the past two years the only “new” band that I’ve really been obsessed with consistently is Matt & Kim (with a shout out to Bloc Party). They are another band I love listening to while making my way to the shore etc (along with Vampire Weekend that I mentioned above), or any time I’m feeling a little down. After I went through the whole show scene, I just gave up trying to give music I like justification. If I enjoy listening to it, it works for me.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Same here. I like what I like, and what I like is all over the map.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I like what I like, and what I like is all over the map.
And what I dislike, above all else, is the hype machine I mentioned above. But that’s a personal problem that I have.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Exactamundo.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
What the F, come spring time I’m obsessed with Vampire weekend’s first CD…it just sets the mode for the season for me. Hipsters are ruining what I like.
Is this the right room for an argument?
It’s a perfect album for that.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
It also works for the mood…but mostly the mode apparently haha. I wish I read over what I typed ever.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Haha, yeah I was wondering about that, wasn’t sure if you were using awesome hipster slang. Haha. I keed, I keed.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I know, but the question wasn’t that do pearl snaps mean your a hipster. The queston was that do hipsters wear mostly pearl snaps.
Samesis
http://orangecrunch.blogspot.com/
The queston was that do hipsters wear mostly pearl snaps.
And my experience with them is that no, this is not the case.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
There are four elements to every hipster wardrobe:
1. A t-shirt, preferably ironic but, at the very least, brightly coloured.
2. Skinny jeans.
3. Sneakers which catch the eye for one reason or another.
4. Unnecessary accessories. For guys, this is usually a trucker cap or glasses without lenses; for girls, it’s usually cat/granny glasses or Too Much Eyeliner.
Some wear pearl snaps, sure. But it’s not an essential element of the wardrobe by any stretch of the imagination.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Hipsters: know them before you judge them. And when you know them judge them like you’ve never judged before!
Mourning Gagne forever.
Like I said in a previous thread, they’re just like everyone else. Some of them are nice, some of them are condescending asshats. Some of them have goals, some of them are only interested in the next drink/drug/party. Some are legitimately interested in supporting / creating music that they love, some just go to shows to be “seen” there.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
see, I woud disagree with sneakers. As hipsters can wear boats shoes with skinny jeans too. But yes, the ironic tee and skinny jeans, anog with the fake glasses and ugly hats, are most important. But hey, at least none of us are goths right?
Samesis
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Crap, I like shirts from urban outfitters (though I don’t find them at all ironic)…SOB I dress like a damn hipster.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Don’t worry. We’ll run into each other at a game and you won’t feel so alone anymore.
I’ll be at the Gagne game (assuming he’s playing) next Thursday.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Doubtful. He’s having vision problems.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Gagne is having vision problems.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I thought you were referring to me not getting the irony in Urban Outfitters shirts haha.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Hahaha. No.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
fedoras were in last year, but I didn’t realize derbys were coming back. How very Clockwork Orange.
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I wore one as part of one of the most obscure Halloween costumes I’ve ever been a part of….we went as the Dresden Dolls from the Girl Anachronism video.
Is this the right room for an argument?
How very hipster…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
So good to see Mario is commenting again.
This is just factually incorrect.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Nov 10, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After seemingly years, I am glad to see they finally have a date set for the Spectrum demolition. It will be sad to see the old building destroyed. When I was in elementary school, I remember going with my dad and my friend to watch Phantoms games with front row seats. Unfortunately I don’t think I ever had the privilege of seeing a Flyers game there (and if I did, I don’t remember).
Niel Little, Kirby Law, Jim Vandermeer, Niel Little, Maxime Ouillet, Todd White, Boosh, Niel Little, Todd Fedoruk, Ruslan Fedotanko, Niel Little. Did I mention Niel Little?
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
I thought it was understood that we shall not name jm vandameer on this site ever again. Just call him “thee who shal not be named” and we’d know who he is
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I thought that was Simon Gagne? Or Randy Jones?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
OT
This is off-topic by a mile, but apparently the Linc won most vegetarian friendly (and CBP has won PETA’s vegan friendly ballpark several times) football stadium award.
Um, it’s cool about vegan/vege friendly and all, but in the convo I was having about this elsewhere people were asking “Why can’t we just have salads?”
Salad? At a sporting event?!? WTF is wrong with these people?
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LOL. Hollywood types, I guess.
Just makes me think of “40 Year Old Virgin”. “Know how I know you’re gay? You eat salad at a baseball game.”
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If you’re going to offer salad-type options at a sporting event, at least put it in wrap form.
I love salad. I eat it twice a day, once as lunch and once with dinner. But I couldn’t picture myself eating it at a Flyers or Phillies game.
Last Phillies game I went to this year, I had one of the BBQ pulled pork sandwiches you can get near Ashburn Alley. Dee-licious. No one goes to that place for some reason.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But no salad you could get any any stadium or ballpark would be what I would consider a “good salad”. And if you eat one loaded with goodies and dressing, it’s usually higher in fat content than a hot dog. I can’t picture a Flyers or Phillies game that doesn’t come with either a hot dog or crab fries. Maybe a pork sammy.
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No hot dogs for me. I don’t eat red meat.
Crab fries? Yes please.
My brother and I got to the Toronto game late this year due to his having to work on a Saturday + all of the NLCS Game 6 traffic. We got there about halfway through the first period and just decided to have dinner at the AT&T Pavillion. Against our better judgment, we split that $25.00 tub of Chickie’s and Pete’s chicken fingers and crab fries. We then became victims of overwhelming deliciousity.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Dude, hot dogs aren’t meat. Silly, mikefive.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
They’re probably not “meat” in the sense that they’re not made from leg, breast, belly, thigh, flank, or acceptable places on the animal from whence comes “meat.”
They’re probably mostly offal, i.e., organs. Like scrapple, haggis, faggots, Kronfleischküche and other similar dishes.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I like how you felt the need to put a link with “faggots” haha.
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A restaurant I’ve been to in the city was having its Offal week this week. They tried to make the menu sound appetizing, but failed to entice me. My Pop Pop loved the stuff. Yuck.
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Your family is from Central PA, yes? That would explain it.
What restaurant was having “offal” week? I hope it wasn’t Bistrot La Minette. I’m taking my father there for his birthday on Friday.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yep, use every part of the pig and turkey, yo. He liked pickled pig’s feet for a snack and sweetbreads for fancy dinners. /pukes
It was Matyson.
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Meltzer's Musings
The latest Bill Meltzer column on Hockey Buzz has, among other Flyers-news, some interesting Pelle Lindbergh stuff, including the hazing of Pelle by then-veteran players, including Homer.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-Meltzer/Meltzers-Musings-111010/45/31352
Sarauj, Latvija!
Damn!
This Fly By seems to be so much fun. And I had to miss it all :( I seriously hate writing a terribly long thesis about something I have little to no interest in. Seriously, this sucks.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
My thesis? The title is: Analysis of the competitive environment of Black & Decker GmbH, with an exclusive focus on the service department I seriously hate it. Should be at least 40 pages long =/
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
Oh yeah, they are. Black & Decker makes them in orange & black and they produce lovely sounds. Woooo!
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
That sounds like a terrible, terrible, terrible paper.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well her alternate idea of Analysis of Simon Gagne’s career as a Philadelphia Flyer, with an exclusive focus on the moment he stole my heart wasn’t approved.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 10, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
And it IS terrible. I think I’ll be pulled through the hell and back again until I finish it.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
So I see I missed this:
Hipsters
Meat musings
Carter
I will now say my thoughts, which means I might be talking to myself. I like Threadless, I work with them. I own ONE flannel shirt with snaps and plaid, but its more like lumberjack-ey. The bands mentioned before are pretty good, I like oldies better, a la Skynard, Petty, Hendrix, Clapton, santana, Hootie. I also like Amos Lee, Jack Johnson, ect. I love bacon, refuse to eat hotdogs. I find hotdogs sickening, and I eat anything. I’ve had snails (escargots) and liked them. Hotdogs are repulsive. Carter isn’t 5mil worth of hockey, maybe like 2mil. He’s good, just not that good. Dump him keep Carbomb :)
Btdubs, please please please can you put the Ask a Flyer Carbomb up? Please? I had a bad day involving getting home two hours late. That story involves a chopstick Ohio a hospital and a punk. Please?
Let's do it again
Dude
I have had the shittiest month. Tonight I had to put my cat down. Last month was the dog. I really could use a Flyers game to take my mind off of things.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Never heard of that scotch. I find most of it too potent for my delicate tastebuds.
Certainly debatable, my friends cat Mogg was pretty sweet. But I’d be willing to come around to your view if you posted pictures.
Mourning Gagne forever.
It’s a highland, so it’s on the milder side of the single malts. I don’t like the Islays, because they taste like drinkable iodine.
Done, he’s my new avatar. He was a flamepoint ragdoll who had a passion for air conditioner ductwork spelunking. Loved to spoon. Was a face licker. Came when you called just like a dog. /sobs
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Sometimes I wonder if certain people I know drink scotch just because it’s manly, because they never seem to enjoy it. I know I never have when I’ve tried it, and that was with soda because I’m soft.
Ok, he can be 1A in my books. Sounds like an awesome cat. What was his name?
Mourning Gagne forever.
Blaze. We swore if he could talk, he’d have a French accent, because he just always looked disgusted with you. He liked to swear, too. OK, maybe that was just me projecting.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I officially have a crush on you and your love of highland single malts doubleh.
I took my fiance over to Scotland over labor day weekend of 2009 and finally got her in to single malts. Best thign I ever did, b/c now when she goes to get wine, she usually brings back a tasty scotch for us s well.
Is this the right room for an argument?
There is always humour to be found in despair. Keep your chin up and keep going, look for the good in things. It’l work out eventually, because everything happens for a reason and the strong overcome it.
Can I be paid to be the Flyers motivational speaker?
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Nov 10, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Last year that guy played on a Talented team that struggled a lot all season.
This year he is on a team with a lot of talent that is struggling a lot
At least he gets another free winter classic hat
by Prometheus74 on Nov 10, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
5 minutes ago, I was watching the Bruins-Penguins game and it was 4-2 Penguins. I turn on the Sixers for 5 minutes, go back to the Bruins-Pens game, and it’s now 4-4. Sheesh.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
Well, I meant arena implosion, but you get my gist. I’m in a rather dark mood. I blame the Oban.
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That probably would have been better off as a reply to Todd saying he wants the Pens to lose, but he does not want the Bruins to win.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
And I benched Voracek tonight… :(
But honestly, Go BJs!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Empty netter for Lucic. 7-4 Bruins.
“Just a complete collapse by the Penguins in the 3rd period.” – Paul Steigerwald
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
“How many times have we talked about this Steigey? There is another team on the ice. There is a reason why this happens.” – Bob Errey
Judging from the broadcast, I did not realize he knew about that little fact.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
When Bettman hears this...
NHL12, featuring the Penguins playing 82 games against an invisible opponent.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Most hilarious shootout ending ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6NuT41Wu7A
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! OH my god, that’s great!!! Wow! So bad!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad that wasn’t for the 8th and final playoff spot for the upcoming playoffs
….but the devils wont be in contention for a playoff spot
Crazy Question
The Devils have to give up draft pics, but they get to choose what year,
So do they give up this years which is going to be a juicy one, or wait until the fat man retires?
This train wreck is going to last years!!!!!
by Prometheus74 on Nov 10, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Never feel bad for the Devils. I was at Game 7 of the 2000 Eastern Conference Finals. I will never have the apathy and pity for the Devils like I do for the Islanders. Never, I tell you!!!! Never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
Ok, well I laughed at this…. http://bennyhillifier.com/?id=i6NuT41Wu7A
Seriously, I don’t hate many teams for past discretions because I haven’t experienced many of them. So Chicago would be near the top of my list.
Mourning Gagne forever.
I was there as well. My little 15 year old heart cried out with a sadness that wouldn’t be felt again until college when I found out this chick I basically fell in love with had a fiance. Haha.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
My first memory of playoff heartbreak was Primeau cross-checking someone in the final minutes of a 2-1 game.
My first memory of girl heart-break was soon after that.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Coincidence?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 11, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
My 10-year old self was depressed for weeks after that. The image of Lindros laying on the ice is literally implanted in my memory.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
Same. Such a terrible ending…yet fitting.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 11, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
My Girlfriend at the time now Wife put together a collage of the 2000 run with all Newspaper headlines. How Sweet right. It is still laying around in my parents. basement. Every once in awhile when venture down there to look for something I catch a glance of Stevens scrambling Lindros’s brain and the Headline Lindros’s Career May Be Over is huge font. Even the smaller Andy Delmore headlines can’t save me from remembering that horror.
Slightly embarrassing confession time!
Last December, ESPN Classic ran a week long marathon of the best sports games of the 2000s decade. One of the games they showed was that Game 7. For reasons of curiosity and masochism, I decided to watch it. I did not think I would feel as upset as I did once the game was over, even though I knew what happened. Even worse than watching it on TV for the first time ever: Listening to Steve Levy call the game.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
That’s freaking hilarious. Somebody make a .gif with that and make it a fail.
I watched that about 5 times, laughed every time.
#1 Flyers Fan in New York
Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 10, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I passed 4000 comments today as a member of BSH. I need a life apparently.
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If it makes you feel better, I have 4,470 now so you’re not as bad as me.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m close to 6K and I’ve been a member for less than a year. Apparently I’m a loser?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Todd. You are my favorite Fox, even better than the channel or Fox McCloud.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are making me blush, tehehehe.
The other night I dreamed I was in Philadelphia, and woke up crying tears of joy.
OT: I’m currently drinking Miller beer, previously I had a Budweiser. They are both pretty bad. What is a good American beer?
Mourning Gagne forever.
Those do suck. For American beers the only one I really like is Samuel Adams.
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 10, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Budweiser is certainly better than Miller. It’s far too yeasty. I don’t think I’ll be able to get that.
But in my Google search for “Samuel Adams New Zealand” I found this
A New Zealander paid $2,595.00 USD for a beer in a Hong Kong bar. He must have had one too many and thought the credit card slip read $2.45 when he signed it, but he claims the bar tampered with the bill.
That is one expensive beer.
Mourning Gagne forever.
American beers are all watered down and not very good. Yuengling is popular in the area, but that is because it is brewed locally (for reason unknown to me, I have yet to try it). I don’t know how it would taste if they imported it to New Zealand, though. I’m yet to try a good American beer worth mentioning, although Bud is better than Miller.
I think a Fox like you would very much enjoy the city of Philadelphia. ;-)
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
Bud tastes watered down, but is still 4.9%. How is that even possible? I’ll just stick to German beers then.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Sticking to German beer is a good idea. The Irish beer Guinness is a damn good beer as well, but only if you can avoid the non-watered down American version.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
This is not true in the slightest. Sure American Macro brewed Light Lagers taste like shit but America boasts one of the best craft brew communities which are anything but watered down. Philadelphia is one of the premier beer cities.
You need to hit the American micro brews which are honestly amazing. I’m sure JFein is only referring to the major “breweries” here.
Some good ones: Lost Abbey, Dogfish Head, Rogue, Allegash, Stone, and Brooklyn should be enough to get you started.
That said, Miller Lite is my drunk beer of choice.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Brooklyn gets my vote.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 11, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t go from one to the other in one night. But when I’m going out a drinking a lot with friends, I’m not going to pay $6+ a beer and get smashed on beers I’m not even drinking to enjoy.
If I could I’d drink traditional lambic gueuze all day every day. I love the funk and the tartness of a good traditional lambic, but unfortunately, they are very, very, very expensive here. Sometimes I go out and have a few beers, to which I will usually stick to Belgians or one of the micro brews I listed, other times I go out with friends to get a little tipsy, and I have miller lite b/c it doesn’t make any sense to pound good beer.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Oh I agree I would never want to pound down $6 craft brews but I do find a couple good 9-10% stouts do the trick just as well
That’s so awesome. I only have 1769, but I’ve been here only since late March this year… well like… 7 months.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
I didn’t know we joined around the same time. I thought you were here long before I was.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 11, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I joined the SB Nation sphere in May 2009, but was only a member of RawCharge (I like it there but I feel a bit suffocated there). I began posting on BSH almost a year later. And that was the best decision I’ve ever made. Haha.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
And that was the best decision I’ve ever made. Haha
Samsies. Care to elaborate on the suffocation?
Mourning Gagne forever.
Well I don’t want to spread any ill words because I really like the people from over there. But sometimes it feels like there’s always someone watching you if you’re not breaking any rules, if you’re not talking about off topic stuff for too long… it’s little things but I honestly feel much better over here. I can curse, I can use caps, I can make bad jokes, I can talk about apples and oranges for hours, I can plan wedding over here… and no one really minds, you know?
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
Yes, different. I’m not saying RC has a bad community, I just think BSH community fits me more. And I hope I fit it as well.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
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