Tuesday Morning Fly By: Colie in Trouble
by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 8:37 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps of last night's win: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [Daily News] [delcotimes.com] [The700level] [Philly Sports Daily]
- Dan Carcillo will be out two weeks, but: "'Right now we think it’s an MCL sprain, but we’re gonna have a further exam [Tuesday], probably an MRI and we’ll have a better update,' Holmgren said." [Philly Sports Daily]
- The injury to Andreas Nodl allowed James van Riemsdyk to get back into the lineup: [Daily News] [delcotimes.com]
- Sadly, a girl was struck in the face with a puck at last night's game, requiring stitches: [delcotimes.com]
- Brian Boucher commented on Luke Richardson tragically losing his daughter: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Colin Campbell was under fire for improper emails yesterday: [TSN.ca] [Puck Daddy] [Puck Daddy] [Winging It In Motown]
- Hockey Wilderness had a great take on both the allegations [Hockey Wilderness] and the official response [Hockey Wilderness], which are both well worth the time to read.
- The weekly prospect report, where the forwards shine and the goalies struggle: [Flyers Faithful]
- Grading the Flyers 11-year contract with Jeff Carter: [RealGM Hockey]
- A list of do's and don't for new NHL call ups: [Down Goes Brown]
- Proposing the NHL make the All-Star Game part video game: [From The Rink]
- A note on statistics: "To ignore systematic data collection and the conclusions arrived at from this data collection (aka stats) is to ignore how the NHL is run." [Behind The Net]
- Happy Birthday Mitchell Green!
- Lastly, remember to vote for Oskars Bartulis [BSH] for the All-Star Game, but also vote for R.J. Umberger on a joint ticket: [The Cannon]
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Happy Birthday Mr. Green.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
This one?
Oh right, Happy Birthday Mitchell.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
“What was I saying?”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s get a taco.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
can we get Boosh in net somehow tonight? Seriously, Bobs has to be in pain right now.
Samesis
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I’d love that, my fantasy team would love that. I’ve been rollin’ only Luongo for the longest time and he has been disappointing.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 16, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Thankfully I was able to pick up Bob because I’m in a league with mostly penguins and rangers fans. Suckers.
Ooh man, good move!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 16, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t get all this sit Bob play Boosh stuff. We all wanted a number 1 goalie. I know we are not used to it but we got a number 1 goalie in Bob he should be played like a number 1 goalie.
And by that I mean 65+ games a season. No more 50 and 30 or 40 and 40. And you don’t bench your number 1 when they are playing well.
Here is the list of goalies that played over 65 games last season.
1 Martin Brodeur NJD 77
2 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 73
3 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 73
4 Jonathan Quick LAK 72
5 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 71
6 Craig Anderson COL 71
7 Ilya Bryzgalov PHX 69
8 Ryan Miller BUF 69
9 Roberto Luongo VAN 68
10 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT 67
Welcome to world of a real number 1. They play and play a lot get used it.
11 Jimmy Howard DET 63
1st year player also played a ton and would have played more if he Osgood didn’t start a lot in the beginning.
Bob is also currently ranked 8th in GP. He is not being over used he is being used like a his fellow top goalies. He is some GP vs Team Games Played to compared.
Halak 13/16
Kripper 14/16
Broudeur 16/18
Neuvirth 16/18
Ward 15/16
Bryzgalov 15/17
Luongo 13/17
Backstorm 13/16
Price 16/17
To name a few Bobs is at 14/18 and on a roll. No reason to take him out.
the key ppoint is that Howard paid 63 games. That’s a far amount for Bobs to play this year(plus playoffs). But he’s still a rookie who needs some rest every now and again. He wasn’t really tested yesturday and he did let up a weak goal. I’m fine with hm starting more games in a row, but I would think it’s better for hiim to get a rest before the playoffs.
Samesis
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Really?
Did we not read yesterday’s thread about how goalies can wear out? In particular young goalies who are not used to playing so much?
Let’s look at your list.
2 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 73
3 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 73
Missed the playoffs.
1 Martin Brodeur NJD 77
4 Jonathan Quick LAK 72
6 Craig Anderson COL 71
7 Ilya Bryzgalov PHX 69
8 Ryan Miller BUF 69
Lost in the first round. Quick and Brodeur in particular looked pretty bad.
9 Roberto Luongo VAN 68
10 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT 67
Lost in the second round. Did not look good.
5 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 71
Fine.
One out of ten ain’t a very strong argument.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Bernie Parent played 73 and 68 games in both Cup years.
Brodeur averaged over 70 games during his 3 cups as well.
Neither of those teams you mentioned were favorites to win those series. PHX and COL would not have made the playoffs if they didn’t ride their hot goalie all season. Bryzgalov took DET to 7 and Anderson had a 0.933 SV PCT versus a vastly superior SJS team.
The Rangers and Calgary sucked for many reasons that didn’t involve goaltending. Both Lundquist and Kripper were top 10 in GAA and SV PCT.
Sergei Bobrovsky is not Martin Brodeur.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 16, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sat. Nov. 27 – Philadelphia @ New Jersey.
Then we will find out.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Howard vs Bob
Just to provide th eother side of that:
Bob, 32 and 35 games in the KHL
Howard: 39 at Maine, 42 in AHL/NHL, 49 in AHL/NHL, 58 in AHL/NHL, 46 in AHL/NHL.
So Howard only played 5 more games from his previous high.
Is this the right room for an argument?
First off, GP and games started are different things. Secondly, we are worried about total games played, but consecutive games started (and frequency of these games, but that’s too much research for me to do while at work, so I’m ignoring that for now). Bobs is sitting on 10 in a row. A sampling of the longest streak of games started for the aforementioned goaltenders:
Neuvirth: 7
Halak: 7
Ward: 6
Backstrom: 6
Price: 9
So, really, there’s only one analog for a starting goaltender getting this much work without rest. This is where it may get out of hand, though: Price had one back-to-back during that stretch. If Bobo plays tonight, not only will it be his 11th straight start, but his third back-to-back in that period. I think people over-inflated the need to rest your starter so often (every 6-8 games depending on your schedule is fine with me), but stringing out a chain of starts like this and staying healthy all season is probably untenable.
We had like 3-4 days off both weeks between games. These last 10 games were played over 24 days. With those 2 Back to Backs. So there was plenty of time to rest and relax during those breaks.
I think the bigger issue is consecutive days not consecutive games. As the schedule gets tighter Boosh will get his starts against the weaker teams.
Are you just making up numbers? Oct 26th to Nov 15th is 21 days. 10 games in 21 days is .476 games per day. The 82 game NHL season is played over 184 days. Even if we subtract the post-Christmas off-week, that’s only a .463 games per day pace.
Just in November:
Game, two days off, game, one day off, game, game, three days off, game, one day off, game, one day off, game.
Including October, he’s played three games in four days, have two days off, play three games in four days, have three days off, then play three games in 5 days.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
A better stat would be total games played and longest consecutive games started streak for goalies that played in the Stanley Cup Final. All your list shows is that the top 11 goalies in games played last year combined for just 5 playoff series wins with none of them making it to the Finals.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 16, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Everyone jumped on that pretty quickly…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
We're quick on the draw...
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."
by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 16, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The sad thing is, my short post took me 2 minutes to write out.
Is this the right room for an argument?
Don’t you have Speech to Type?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Flyers and Caps vying for first in the conference, Jersey sucks, the Eagles have a scrambling QB who makes up for their deficiencies…
It’s like the 1980s all over again, except the Flames are the better of the two Alberta teams, and that’s not saying much at all!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Bizarro Stormy enjoys and welcomes our new defensive overlord.
Samesis
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Formal Announcement
I’d like to take this time to officially announce the Peter Laviolette Backup Goaltender Awareness Sack Race. Starting today, at every Flyers home game until Bobrovsky gets a non-injury related rest, I’ll be having a sack race around the Wells Fargo Center concourse to help raise awareness of the fact that the Flyers do, indeed, have a backup goaltender capable of getting some minutes.
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Happy Birthday Mitchell! Have a great day. I can say that with confidence today b/c I’m relatively sure you live on this side of the dateline and thus your birthday is just starting.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 16, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions
Lauren Hart is hot.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
Happy bday Mitch
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I admit that I have often accused Carter of having a “me first” attitude
Its not like I go out of my way to give him shit, but lets face it, its become a routine.
Carter has clearly put that aside in order to sign a very Flyers friendly contract
He could have aked for more, and it would have been within his rights
I am thankful he did what he did, and hope he has tremendous success for the nest score of years
…and come playoff time, I really hope he dose not break his feet again
Florida trying to sell tickets
To us. Just got an email offer from the flyers trying to sell me panthers tickets.
Dear person who cares about hockey,
It has recently come to our attention that people are generally unwilling to give you money for hockey tickets unless they are a) interested in hockey, or b) trying to impress a new corporate client. Through many years of intensive market research, we have determined that nobody down here cares about hockey. Also, due to current economic conditions, corporations have chosen to impress new clients with less expensive alternatives such as gift baskets of fresh-picked Florida oranges and grapefruit. Therefore, we have lots of extra tickets for this game. Since you are from the North and actually do care about hockey, we thought you might be interested. We would gladly sell these tickets to you, since you are interested in hockey and we are interested in money.
Love,
The Florida Panthers
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
by hintzy64 on Nov 16, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am really torn. What is better the Flyers leading the EAST and killing everyone they have played over the last two weeks or Colin Campbell in so much trouble that he might have step down.
In reading one of the links in that article….. and I didn’t know this but..
The Flyers offered Campbell the GM position for 5 years in 2006 (I’m guessing after Clarke stepped down, not sure, if somebody knows feel free to fill it in)
I could not imagine that man as our GM. I hope he steps down honestly, and somebody who can actually enforce suspensions will enter.
#1 Flyers Fan in New York
Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 16, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sad thing is, I doubt he’s going anywhere. At least put in definite punishments for offenses. NO more arbitrary numbers.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Maybe true, but really somebody who is in his position really shouldn’t be playing favorites and badmouthing players. I don’t care if he hands off Bruins stuff to other teams, I think that because he hates Savard that Cooke didn’t get suspended. I mean everybody hated that hit and Cooke for it.
But looking at what I said, I guess I’d rather have him where he is now than our GM (Shutters at that thought)
#1 Flyers Fan in New York
Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 16, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
NHL needs a committee not a one man rules Czar / Fuhr especially when that man shows that he has bias towards certain players and certain teams.
You mean Führer?
The NHL already had a Fuhr.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
True or what the Puck Daddy article says is good, hire somebody who has no ties with players in the NHL. Just some impartial person who can just hand out suspensions impartially and fairly.
#1 Flyers Fan in New York
Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Nov 16, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care who it is, you can’t trust one person to be fair and impartial. Over time, a bias may develop unintentionally, or you can have variations due to something as simple as how that person is feeling that day. It’s just human nature. You need a group of people to average out those biases and fluctuations.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
He’s getting ready for the game.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
before every game he plays, Bob sits alone in the stands preparing
by Prometheus74 on Nov 16, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
its my favorite thing he does(after in game success, that is)
Samesis
http://orangecrunch.blogspot.com/
what about butt taps?
Other than occasionally coming out too far, whats not to love about this little russian? I’m really warming to him, soon he will be in my top 5
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Nov 16, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really struggling to not rush out and get his name put on my blank jersey…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
One of my friends went to Edmonton at the start of this year and got to see the Oilers play, which is his favourite team. He went to a game so early that the doors weren’t open, but basically managed to get inside by telling the people on the door he was a New Zealander and travelled all that way just to see the Oilers play. He got given pre and post game pucks, he got to walk around Rexall when it was empty and he got to stand by the players tunnel as they came onto the ice and bumped fists with the Oilers.
My point: he saw a guy in the stands before the game that he thought might be Jeff Deslauriers, but he wasn’t sure so he went and asked him to sign a puck. Now he has a Devan Dubnyk signed puck.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Not already? He usually does it around 4:30, or about 2 and a half hours before the game.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 16, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hm, good question. Its 5:30 in Philly.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 16, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Im waiting for the conformations from the twitter-base(Car, Panotch, Frank, SanFlip) before I assume hes the starter. How do you know he doesnt sit every game? You never know, Boosh may get hurt or play poorly so he’d need to come in anyway.
Samesis
http://orangecrunch.blogspot.com/
I don’t think anyone was assuming he’s the starter because he’s sitting in the Bell Centre…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Breaking news!
Simon Gagne cut his hair! O.O My life has just been given a totally new dimension. I think I’ve lost the little piece of sanity I had left. And I broke my Twitter with my updates on this. OMGAGNE! I need some pills to handle this.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
I’ve always liked Gags, cause he reminds me of my family (they have adorible Quebec french/english accents) He is lookin mighty fineeeee.
Meanwhile, my man Dan is on crutches hobbling away. He never knew I loved him! This is like a bad cheesy movie on ABC Family.
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Nov 16, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think he looks hot with the new haircut. I lived through the 80’s and all the mullets, though, so I actually now prefer the clean look.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I’d love him even if he dyed his hair pink. I really love this new look but there’s something about his longer hair I really dig :)
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
Lookin’ good, Gags. Now get the fuck back into the lineup b/c I could really use a scoring LW on my team.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 16, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Its Gagne, you know that its gonna take him another 15 games after getting back to start producing again haha.
Samesis
http://orangecrunch.blogspot.com/
Yeah but it’s worth the wait. If I can’t have him on my TEAM (Flyers) I can have him on MY team (Flying Dutchmen)
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 16, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
You’re awesome. Just like the name of your team. Just sayin.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
Hey hey, thanks all for the birthday wishes. Means a lot to me :)
Guess what the Flyers are getting me for my birthday? A win over the Canadians tonight. Aw how kind ;)
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Prospect report
Ranford and Riopel continue to play really well and everyone on the Phantoms is getting killed. What the hell happened to Backlund, 0.841 SV PCT this week. Is the team really that bad.
The team is really that bad.
Backlund’s season stats: 3-9-0, 3.90, 0.871
Stewart’s season: 0-4-0, 4.73, 0.846
Yes, Backlund is better than Stewart, but those numbers should tell you just how bad the team is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 16, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
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