Flyers Eke Out Agonizing 5-4 Win Over Caps In Shootout
WASHINGTON--It's not often in a road game against the top team in the league that a team blows a two-goal lead in the third period , then a new one-goal lead later in that same frame , and gets to walk out of the building with a smile.
But that's just what the Flyers did tonight, letting the Capitals back into the game with three third period power play goals, yet eventually coming away with two points via shootout.
The first two games between these top two teams in the East have both gone into charity point territory, with each getting a win. The Flyers and Caps don't go head-to-head again until January, but the battle in the standings between the two will certainly continue the rest of the year (or until the Caps pull away when the Flyers start to skid).
Some more bullets on a game that probably made you want to put a gun to your head at several points:
- Claude Giroux thrusted first goal into the net in a way that had to make men cringe and women swoon, and admitted as much when talking to Steve Coates about it during intermission. He would only say that it went off his "body" postgame, but he said that with a smile.
- In his first start in weeks, Brian Boucher got the win, albeit with copious help from his posts. But he was very solid in the shootout (Game 82 much?), getting a glove on both Backstrom and Ovechkin's shots before getting some help on Semin's effort from both the post and crossbar. But despite not picking up many style points, it was clear the win meant a ton to him.
- Andreas "Deal or" Nodl, who scored a very pretty tourniquet of a goal late in the third, is now on pace for twenty goals this season. Raise your hand if you saw that ever happening. For some perspective on how strange that is, Nodl's five goals on the season is only two behind Nicklas Backstrom's seven. He was named first star of the game, which I guess makes as much sense as anything.
- Huge, huge turnout of Flyers fans at the Verizon Center tonight, easily the most I've seen there since before 2008. Lots of "Let's Go Fly-ers," lots of "BOOOOSH," lots of happy people on the sidewalk afterward.
- Lastly, you gotta watch Chris Pronger's post game press:
After the jump, questions answered and a comment of the night:
Questions Answered:
- The Caps lost big last night, 5-0 to the Thrashers. What do we see out of them tonight? They weren't that bad, but their best players were not their best players. Ovechkin, who has beenfar less spellbinding to watch than
- Um, defense. Rebound game, right? Four is only half of eight!
- How does Brian Boucher look in net, getting his first start in almost a month? Sufficient, if unspectacular.
- Can the special teams get back on track? Giving up three power play goals cannot be called "on track."
- Will the Flyers stop Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom and the Caps offense? The stars were fairly invisible, but a lot of the Caps depth guys (Marcus Johansson especially) had nice nights.
Comment of the Night:
Claude Giroux can score with either stick...--Down Goes Spezza
Carey Price takes his overachieving to the WFC Monday. Go Flyers.
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I approve…::shuffles off to bed::
#1 Flyers fan in Tennessee (yeah, we're here too).
Hooked by Giroux.
It wasn’t pretty, but I’ll happily take the W and the 2 points. Looking forward to Monday’s rematch against the Habs. Let’s go, Flyers!
Sarauj, Latvija!
by LVHokejs on Nov 21, 2010 12:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Alright, it’s prophecy or just redundancy (if the later, pardon me)….the Flyers skate in the World Fucking Champions rink.
Also,
that Nodl goal was awfully

by j reed on Nov 21, 2010 3:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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Pronger and Nodl were awesome, Boosh was serviceable (I really don’t get all the hate in the threads) and nearly everyone else was subpar. But the Flyers still won!
I mentioned this to Ben on twitter, but Bob with facial hair totally looks like Liam McPoyle from Always Sunny

Mourning Gagne forever.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to make the Bob/McPoyle connection. I also like that now my first comment on Broad Street Hockey is about Bob and Alway Sunny, two of my favorite things!
by shesthefastest on Nov 21, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks! What do T and ZP mean under notes? And no chances for the Flyers on the PP?
Mourning Gagne forever.
They’re notes Scott Reynolds (or maybe Derek Zona) started using to denote the nature of the chance—T is transition, FO is off a faceoff, and ZP is zone possession. There were some instances where I counted turnovers off a forecheck as ZP, others T (depending on how quickly after the turnover the chance came and how many players were back in position), and there was a weird one where Steckel won a draw in the offensive part of the neutral zone and Richards chased it down and shot (I counted as T, but could be FO as well).
by red army line on Nov 21, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
I got mostly the same results, but I was thinking; the Flyers spent a huge chunk of the game a man up; that probably limited the ES time for their horses against the Fleischmann line.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 21, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s from a Caps perspective. The “PP” two columns—left is Caps chances, right is Flyers chances while the Caps are on the PP. So I counted 12 PP chances for the Caps, 0 SH chances for the Flyers. I had the Flyers 6-1 on their PPs—not a ton of chances, but when you have defensemen like that just fire away from the points and you’ll hit 20% easy.
by red army line on Nov 21, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
I see, thanks for this. Do you have the chances for the first game between the Caps and Flyers?
Mourning Gagne forever.
I didn’t catch that game. Knee high to a duck probably has it, or you could email 5ive hole (as he’s known on SBN—Neil Greenberg at Russian Machine Never Breaks) who has the SC tally for all the games.
by red army line on Nov 22, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
It was a great game to watch until the refs decided to get “involved” by creating a parade to the box by both teams on a bunch of calls. I am not complaining about a high stick, but the other stuff was bad. And it isnt complaining since I saw bad calls against both teams. Actually the officiating since the Montreal game has been really “strange”. The Tampa game was downright awful. The best example from those 2 games are the call on JVR for “goalie interference” when he was tripped into the goalie and the call on Tampa for interference when Kimmo skated directly into their goalie. Both were blown calls.
Phigment
by Phigment on Nov 21, 2010 5:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I was annoyed by the whole “make-up” call thing. It was so blatant that even the CSN Washington commentators picked up on it. So stupid. If one team plays cleaner than the other, they should get less penalties. You shouldn’t be making stuff up so you can “give both teams equal chances” with the man advantage…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
This is why I try not to drink during the day. Wasted by 6, passed out by 730, missed the game. Fuck!
Doubtful.
As much as I ride JVR for his seemingly never ending bout of inconsistency he is still more valuable to the Flyers than Carcillo. Sorry but it’s the truth.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
It’d honestly be nice if Lavy would answer all of our prayers and scratch Jody Shelley when Carcillo returns. He has been completely useless and ineffective for us so far. I thought we learned when we sent Cote to Adirondack that we don’t need a punching bag on skates. But so far I guess Homer and Lavy think I’m wrong.
Hey it’s Philly goit to have a Rocky type guy on skates right? Rocky may have won in 4 movies but he was just a punching bag.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Nov 21, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Well in fairness, Cote’s effectiveness or lack there of makes Shelley and Carcillo look like Wayne Gretzky.
I would rather see Carcillo over Shelley was well but with what they are paying Shelley and with the length of his contract I don’t see him going anywhere.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
We could possibly dump Shelly on to a dumber team, even dumber than Homer. How about the Devils? Then they would have two players!
Carcillo won’t get traded
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Save for the Kovy signing, the Devils are a fairly bright organization, as for Shelley…they have less money than we do(I think) so I doubt we could get them to take on someone like Shelley.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
How is he more valuable than Carbomb? Seriously. They are different types of players that cannot be compared side to side, like apples to oranges. Sure Carcillo has flaws, and has let his temper get the best of him often. He is showing signs of changing, where as JvR…is’t….
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo exceeding expectations and behaving perfectly (which is impossible) < JVR underperforming to his potential
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo physically stops plays for opposing teams, where as JvR starts opposing team plays.
Again, apples and oranges. Both are here for different things
Carcillo > JvR anyday. Carcillo could kick JvRs ass and you know it :D
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
What apples? what oranges? Name a fruit, and we have a player better than Carcillo
We have better fighters than Carcillo
Hartnell is a better agitators, and energy booster in the Locker room
We have better passers, shooters and scorers.
Hell, even little Briere is now digging the puck out of it up in the corner boards better than Carcillo
For tough grit forth liners, Betts, and Powe are better
What roll dose Carcillo have?
The crowd likes him, I live him, we all know your opinion…
but he is not the best at anything on this team, and dose not apear to blossem into the leader in any of those positions.
JVR has the potential to secure a lead spot
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Watermelons
Watermelons, is what. He is better than Shelly. See? Thats one person. He fights better than Hartnell and Briere. He is an energy player, he hustles unlike Pronger. He may not be the best at anyone thing (except making funny faces), but he is better than others or top 2 for many. Powe > Carcillo, and I can say that.
What exactly is JvR the leader of then? Your argument failed horribly right there. Your lotus blossom is not a leader, either.
Ladies and gentalmen, we have found a worse speller than me.
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
jeeze, sorry that all sounded kinda harsh. I said it lovingly in a counter argument type mannor
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Let's just settle this argument as a draw
Because of Shelley’s albatross of a contract that Homer gave him sadly someone is going to be forced out of the lineup. Carbomb is odd man out until either JVR or Z stop playing hard again atleast. Either that or Lavy has an epiphany and scratches Shelley (doubtful).
O`Donnell is our tide turning fighter filling Lappy roll
Shelly is our heavyweight
Carcillo fights when he loses his cool
and sayig he is a better fighter than Hartnell is debatable, but boasting he is a better fighter than Briere just funny.
JVR has the potential to secure a lead spot
also JVR pisses me off, but the way I see it, there is no way in hell he is being traded.
Carcillo is the logical man to go if a trade is to come in the Future
Im not eve arguing…..
Why do you feel personally offended when people share their views on Carbomb?
You you really need to defend everything about him?
When I call him out or share a negative aspect about him, Im not attacking you.
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t, and I’m not. Hahah I know that no ones attacking me, too. There have been a few instances where I have not said anything when Carcillo was put in a negative light. I refuse to defend him for diving, which is stupid shit he shouldn’t do. I don’t defend him on other subjects, too. I didn’t feel ofended, I just don’t see how JvR is better and wanted to point out that its impossible to compare them. I’m here to give my opinion, and if a good margin of my opinion is on Carcillo, so be it. The guy can’t catch a break.
And thank you Ed Van Chimp, thats how I feel too.
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I used to like him, but I like Shelley more as a player. He’s a big physical guy, and using him on any player is akin to using a hammer on an ant.
If there is any comparison to make, I think it’s comparing Carcillo and Powe. Powe has much more upside, and is a much better player
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly what about Shelley do you like as a player? Because he’s not a good fighter and he is not good at hockey….
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 21, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Hartnell is not a better agitator, and it isn’t even close. JVR has the potential to do a lot of things he is not doing. Right now Carcillo is the better, more useful player. Carcillo is a better defensive player than JVR, and a much better puck possession guy on the forecheck. He is the best agitator we have, and draws a lot of Penalties. JVR on the other hand is a lot of untapped potential. Personally I, like every other Flyers fan, would prefer to sit Shelley. That said, if it is between JVR and Carcillo I am going with Carbomb.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 21, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of what I saw in person last night JVR has something he’s getting better at. That’s puck control behind the other teams net. He’s not top on the team in terms of that (that’d be Briere), but last night at least he had some solid plays where he maintained control under attack and fed chances to the front of the net to either the wingers or D. This happened at least 2 times right when Nodl scored the goal. For now it looks like JVR-Richie-Nodl is a line that is gaining some chemistry.
Of course this point will be moot when JVR has one of his patented super inconsistent games next time.
I thought Pronger just didn’t like Boosh, but after that I think he dosen’t care much for anyone. Love it.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
After every Pronger interview I watch, I always feel like I did something to piss him off or that he is mad directly at me.
by KornontheKobb on Nov 21, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I agree. I think Pronger is one of those guys who you’re never really sure where you stand with him. Like everyone pisses him off in some way or another.
God Bless The Flyers
I think he just doesn’t suffer fools. Keeps the riff raff away.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
They get asked a lot of very dumb questions and hear hundreds of stupid comments from the media. He’s in a sport where, as a star player, they have to talk to him. Since he knows they’ll be back he can have a little fun with them. Why not?
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on Nov 21, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
That is how I felt too. He looked like he was ready to slap that one guy.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Nov 21, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger comments
Gotta love him. He’s a company man without the polish. He doesn’t let the interviewers control the conversation with buzzwords like frustration. He won’t let anyone take the fun out of a game they won, but acknowledges that they will keep on working on their deficiencies.
The Ducks just gave us Danny Syvret back
Any chance we can get Luca Sbisa back from them too while we’re at it?
Offensive Dynamo!!!!
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 21, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The full details of the trade for those who haven't seen it..
The Flyers have acquired (F) Rob Bordson and (D) Danny Syvret from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for (F) Pat Maroon and (F) David Laliberte.
Yessssss
Right around time they come back to Philly for a game, which I’m going to. Well the games not for a little, though
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by Cillo stache on Nov 21, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Neither of them will be on the Flyers roster.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I was at the game. A really fun game to be at. The refs were brutal, but I guess that’s something you have to get used to in today’s NHL. These teams seem to always play entertaining hockey, it would be great for the league if they would match up in the playoffs.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Bettman has to have Ovie vs Sid in the 1st or second round
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily
Didn’t happen last year all thanks to Montreal. I think we’ll have enough Sid vs. Ovie moments when we have the Winter Classic match up followed by the All-Sid and Crosby Game in Raleigh.
I’ll be really disappointed, but not surprised, if they make the ASG about Sid and AO. I hope they choose different Captains, but I suspect they’ll choose Sid and AO. Dumb.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
As will I. If that ends up being the case, I won’t even watch it. Even if they have like 5 Flyers playing in the game. I won’t be able to take hearing NBC talk about those two for an entire game.
Who would be your (and anyone elses) ideal ASG captains?
Off the top of my head with very little thought, I would go with Stamkos and Doughty.
Mourning Gagne forever.
I wouldn’t mind that. I’d be more for some veterans being captains.. Like a Team Zetterberg vs. a Team Selanne.
That’s a good point. I would be fine with it either going to some young guys, or older guys (out of respect or something). The top six that the captains get picked from is basically a league wide popularity contest, so the usual suspects would be at the top.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Yeah for Crosby it’ll probably be Team Canada all over again with Malkin thrown in there instead of Richards. For Ovechkin, I know he’d pick Semin, aside from that I’d have no clue.
I need to read the rules again. If it’s Crosby and Ovie, and they pick the teams, there is probably a good chance that no Flyer would make it on the roster haha.
Mourning Gagne forever.
I thought the fans would vote in the whole pool of 50-something players, and the captains would just decide who is on which team?
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 21, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bah humbug, I thought that part was being modified a little bit too.
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 21, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Really?

It would be hilarious if the Flyer players were picked last. I would consider that a win.
Mourning Gagne forever.
I would go with veterans. I’d give Lidstrom one team for sure. Lidstrom and Pronger might be good picks. Maybe Iginla. Show a little deference to the history.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
This. It would certainly set a good precedent. Otherwise we have years and years of Crosby-Ovie to look forward to.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 21, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
There is no greater honour in hockey, than having the ASG captaincy bestowed upon you.
Mourning Gagne forever.
That’s true to a point, since they’ll be voted on by the pool of players who get selected (according to the original NHL.com announcement article). I hope those players come to a consensus that does not equal Sid vs Ovie, especially knowing those two will already have their moment the month before. On the bright side, I think the players are more likely to choose veterans out of respect than Bettman or the NHLPA would be.
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 21, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions

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