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Meszaros grading. I didn’t have a chance to get on the site yesterday, so here it is for posterity’s sake, 3/5.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

For the first time in three years, I just didn’t know a game was happening. Mainly, because I was drunk at Wrigley for NU-Illinois.

by Snevik on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll allow it.

Geoff has Boosh, Nodl is all mine!
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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

This is gona be a great name tonighttttttttttt :)

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by Cillo stache on Nov 22, 2010 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Nodl

Is it weird, that I actually liked it better when people boo’d and yelled insults at my St. Cloud St. Nodl jersey as opposed to everyone asking where they can get one. Also, I did spot a Nodl Flyers jersey at the last home game, the kid is blowing up.

On a serious note, I hope when he isn’t scoring he people don’t jump all over him again. He has a 33.3% shooting percentage, there is no way it can stay at that level; especially since he actually took a couple shots the last game (both blocked) that he generated on his own rush. However, those are actually the plays I’m looking for more of from him. Right now, I think if you tracked where he took his shots from, you’d see them all in high scoring areas. He is always going to be good defensively, he is going to go in to the corners and dig out the puck, he’ll put himself in the right spots on the ice, but what I haven’t seen from him yet is him, taking the puck in own his on and taking a shot. I love the fact that he is starting to show a willingness to do that at the NHL level.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

Trying…not to use…H word to explain first…part…of…comment… I kid, I kid.

Is Nodl supposed to be a goal scorer? I think of him as just a great two way forward that’s offense is just gravy. He works hard and skates hard and as long as he does that I’ll have his back. By the way as awesome as his goal on Saturday was, it was a terrible, terrible goal for Neuvirth to let in. Just awful, and kind of lucky.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Nodl was a goal scorer in college, so I think they have always been hoping he’d get it back.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I see. I mean the kid has good hands so there’s no reason he can’t be. He just doesn’t strike me as one at this level.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, and now he is finally getting a chance to play solid minutes and so far he is producing.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I always saw him as a two-way, third-line transition player. Which is what he’s doing right now, playing with Richie.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe they spent a lot of time teaching him D while he was playing in the AHL, because he wasn’t really a defensive player before that. At this point, he soaked that up like a sponge, so from our vantage point we see the goal scoring as gravy. I think the organization really wants what they see now, the potential to be a strong two-way forward who gives them both.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I agree, that goal was uber weak, I’m the first to admit it.

I don’t think Nodl is supposed to be a goal scorer in a top 6 role (he may grow in to one b/c he had that at the college level, who knows), but he didn’t get much praise until he started to score. And the fans didn’t give him much love until he started to score. I view him as a responsible 3rd line forward who can pot the occasional goal and kill penalties. He is just getting a ton of love right now, but my concern is he is getting it b/c he is scoring, and that people will forget the fact that he kills penalties, is responsible defensively, and is good in the corners if he stops scoring.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Hedging bets. I like it.

By the way, you’re not wrong. I just like to stand on my pedestal and say “See! I totally called that!” even though I hedged my bets while calling it.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he would be a top 6 forward when he came to the organization (after 3-5 years in the organization, I never saw him as someone that would jump right in to the NHL). I thought for sure he would be there at some point. I didn’t see the Flyers have a #2 overall pick though, and I didn’t see him being rushed to the NHL and having his confidence shattered. Once that happened, I changed the way I viewed him as I saw the way he changed his game. Now I view him as a 3rd line player, however, if he gets that confidence back, and starts to try to generate some more on his own offensively, who knows, he might still have top 6 potential.

It’s not so much that I hedged my bets as much as my views on him evolved as I followed his career.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, the people that did hate on him failed to put his performance in the proper context. As fans we easily get overly excited, or overly down on a player, it’s natural. That is my worry now, that they aren’t putting his current performance in the proper context. They will say all the cliches, but they most likely are speaking in generalities b/c they never took the time to understand the situation he was in before, how his line mates were also not performing, or that he was used as a 4th liner after his first stint right out of college in the NHL. The truth is Nodl always had more talent than he was given credit for initially, but he also isn’t a guy that’s going to maintain a 33.3% shooting percentage. We still don’t know what he is exactly capable of frankly b/c the Flyers haven’t used him in a clearly identified role for long enough yet.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

H word to explain first…part…of…comment

Holmstrom-esque?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Hipster

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I know.

Don is not a hipster though. He might be Holmstrom-esque when he’s on the ice…

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by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true, on both accounts. I don’t remember much of him in the one pick-up game he was at. I forget how he played but he could very well be very Holmstrom-esque.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Holmstroms, I’m talking Tomas, not Ben. FYI.

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by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhh, that makes a difference.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I shut down Travis for you haha. And I’d rather not be judged by how I played on foot (especially this time around since I picked up a hockey stick for the 1st time in 3 months last week after being injured), I just stuck to D and fed flyguy and Mitch with outlet passes.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

oh that’s right! You did shut down Travis. That was awesome. I asked you to and you did it. I’d say your Therien like in that respect, and ONLY that respect.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha I was going to say, I feel insulted.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Then Travis is Jarmoir Jagr?

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by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

They’re one in the samsies.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok time for a 3 hour meeting, you guys enjoy your afternoon haha.

Boo work.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I miss work, you guys need a designer doing whatever it is your doing? I could comically draw the meeting for your entertainment?

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The meeting got pushed back 30 minutes…and yes I would hire you to do that b/c it would be hilarious.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha it’s just weird from having a jersey that maybe 20% of the people in attendance knew who the player was to being stopped by every other person about it.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

speaking of the H word, I think Cynade and Happiness used Don in strip I saw last week

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Samesis

by JpH89 on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, that’s awesome.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I do have a moustache now hahaha. Speaking of which, when are you donating!!! hahaha.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I’ll get to that soon. I really want to too, the reason why I haven’t been on here in the past little while was because on Wednesday My Uncle passed away from Prostate Cancer after a 3 year battle.

On a happier note, I got my dads skates and went outside just now and tried to actually roller-blade for the first time since I was about 14. You guys can call me Hartnell at the game.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Nov 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to hear about your uncle.

Also, let me know if you want me to bring you a helmet haha.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

NOOOOODLES

Quote of the night…..

Ilya Kovalchuk, the $100 million man, has a pathetic 10 points in 19 games. Andreas Nodl has more goals.

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 22, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

For literally a fraction of the cost.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

As the always Nodl basher I would like to say it was never about Nodl scoring goals. It was about him generating offense chances when playing on the scoring lines. He has great speed and is great is his on zone but it was his passing, shooting and ability to get to the dangerous areas that concerned me. Off the rush he couldn’t make the passes and off the cycle he seemed lost. He might have lacked confidence or was overly concerned playing good defense and not turning the puck over, similar to what I think JVR is going through now. Basically Nodl played a simple game of dump and chase and that doesn’t work on a scoring line with so much skill and puck possession players. I had the exact same concerns with Asham, Carcillo, and Powe on those top lines as well but they brought physical play and somewhat of net presence. That is why Nodl was always behind them on the depth charts in my opinion didn’t play physical enough to not contribute at all offensively.

This new Nodl is taking more chances holding on to the puck more and getting to scoring areas. He looks like a completely different player. When he plays like that he can play and fit with those top line guys. Hats of the Nodl for coming around some guys just take longer than others.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s now the #2 all time Austrian born goal scorer in the NHL….

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

If he catches Vanek that is even a bigger win for the Organization.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

He’ll do that by Christmas………he’s on fire

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

So is Boucher getting the start because Bob is still fatigued? Is Lavy sitting Bob because he said publicly that he was fatigued when the coach acted as though it was a nonissue?(Just throwing that out there) Or is Lavy just giving Bob one more game off before continuing to ride him for a dozen straight games?

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

It may depend on what they saw in practice yesterday, I don’t know.

Or it could be that Lavi is trying to figure out what he wants to do with Boosh when Leighton returns. Homer already said Leighton is going to go to Adirondack initially and try to get him in about 3 games there, but I don’t know if they have a plan beyond that.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Can Leighton stay in Adirondack? Or is this one of those rehab assignment type deals where it’s limited?

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Rehab assignment. He’d have to pass waivers to be sent there.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Figured as much. So does Homer try and put him through waivers so he can get signed at half the cost? Homer would never do such a thing.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, you’re mixing waivers and re-entry.

If someone grabs him on the way down, they pay his entire salary. On re-entry (after clearing waivers), he’s half-price.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Got you. Thanks.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s a limit to the amount of time he can spend there while on rehab, but they can go through waivers to leave him there.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

So if I get it right… They can send him to Phantoms for let’s say 3 games without going through waivers and once they want him back on the Flyers he doesn’t have to go through re-entry? And if they want to keep him with Phantoms for 4th game or longer he would have to clear waivers and eventually re-entry too? O.o

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by Katchis on Nov 22, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not clear on the games (it’s a days thing), but yeah, sounds like you got it.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh, instead of games it’s days. Thanks! :)

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by Katchis on Nov 22, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s an edited version of the CBA article, with the excessive words edited out for readability purposes:

13.9 Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan. A Player
who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Except ion … may…
be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan … for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days
and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to
play. If the Club determines that it needs more time to assess the Player’s fitness to play,
the Club may file a written request … to extend the Loan for an
additional two (2) games. The Commissioner, upon good cause, may approve the one-
time extension. The Commissioner’s approval shall not be unreasonably withheld. A
Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Except ion Condit ioning Loan will
continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club’s 23-man
roster limit. The Club’s Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Except ion will cont inue
until the Conditioning Loan ends …. This procedure can only be used
once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury
Exception.
(Sorry there’s just so much extra language in there that it’s easier for me to pare it down for you guys.)

Homer had said in an article in Courier-Post that he was going to try to get Leighton’s 6 days in where they could get him into 2-3 games.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot! :)

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by Katchis on Nov 22, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s probably that they need to figure our which goalies they keep around. Also I believe that Lavi is rewarding Boosh for his effort against Washington.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah for a true eval of the situation Boosh has to play. He somehow beat the conference leaders and now another division leader. This is a real test.

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by skootrboi on Nov 22, 2010 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Leights and Walker to Colorado for a 2nd and a 3rd round draft pick

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding the FGSB piece on Zherdev, I wanted to expand on one thing they said in the article:

it’s fairly obvious that over the course of the pre-season and now 1/4 of the regular season the organization has held a firm line on breaking him rather than catering to him.
I feel like we knew going in that Homer and Lavi were going to try to break his bad habits. Even with players who are supposed to be offensive-minded players who aren’t relied upon for defense, I think there’s still an expectation that they’re supposed to care when a bad turnover happens or they make a mistake. There’s a line between making the effort to try to do something about it (even if you wind up doing the wrong thing) and just not caring enough to try; and I think Lavi probably feels that Zherdev falls on the wrong side of the line too often.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Which is why Z should have never been signed in the first place. Why if you are a team that wants it’s forwards to play defense do you sign a guy that is allergic to playing defense, to the point of just quiting on plays, and has an attitude problem to boot?

Either move Z for someone who fits your system or let him do his thing. Sitting him is a waste of talent and money.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. And I think Zherdev has done a great job of backchecking recently.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The game we went to he was excellent. I don’t think he is getting enough credit for the effort he has made in that role.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It brings to mind Reggie Leach but I’m sure he’ll ever be the sniper Reggie was. Also Reggie learned how to be more defensive when Clarke got on his ass about it. His defensive skills improved to the point that Pat Quinn used him occasionally on a PK saying everyone has to work all facets for a team to be successful.

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by skootrboi on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I meant I’m NOT sure he’ll ever be the sniper Reggie was.

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by skootrboi on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you are right, and I think it hurts his game to an extent. He was brought in to score, if the Flyers have him worrying about how defensively responsible he is all the time, does that effect his offensive prowess?

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that it could hurt his game, at least in the short run before he gets used to it. But I think that Lavi cares more about him making the effort than him actually knowing the right way to play defense… I get the impression that every time Lavi sees him be apathetic about those situations and he quits on the play, Z digs his hole a little bit deeper. I know he has made progress in learning to backcheck, the question is always does Lavi think he’s being consistent about it.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I just get frustrated to some extent b/c he is who he is, a scorer. If you want more defense and less offense, bring up Wellwood (which I guess they are doing). But if you aren’t going to use the guys skill set, why have him here.

This isn’t directed at you, I’m just frustrated by the situation.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m trying to hypothesize Lavi’s point of view anyway, not necessarily my own.

I think there’s precedent, as well. This was a number of years ago, but I’m pretty sure Gagne’s worst offensive season was the year they spent teaching him defense to be a two way player. No doubt it paid off long term, but it wasn’t good in the moment.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know, and I’m just venting haha.

The problem with the Gagne comparison is that we only have Zherdev for one year. Don’t change who he is, let him go out and score. Hide him in the Ozone.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree about the fact we only have Z for one year and shouldn’t be doing it, I just meant the Gagne example as precedent for the fact that teaching defense to a pure goal scorer can hurt production.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Got ya. I definitely don’t disagree with that at all haha.

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by DLJr on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Wellwood been called up. On ice. Not sure yet who is out.

Is it Z that gets benched? JVR has earned his time, no? Maybe, perhaps our prayers have been answered and Shelley is sitting?

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

I bet it’s Z. Nodl and JVR have both earned their time, for now.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes! It’s time for this week’s Holmgren/Laviolette Wild Card! Last week’s was “When will Bob finally sit” and it looks like this week’s is “Which not really poor-performing forward will be scratched for Wellwood?”

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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Nov 22, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That doesn’t make sense. JVR has been working really hard. If you sit him now you might kill his confidence for awhile.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Panotch is still speculating it’s Z, as of half an hour ago. We might not know til tonight.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

What? I am by no means JVR’s biggest fan but the guy has looked pretty good the last two games. Sure he hasn’t scored like Z has but he has generated chances and played some decent defense. I almost feel bad for the kid.

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by EREX21 on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Could he take Powe out to try to avoid some of the BS that is probably going to go down tonight after all the hits he laid out last game versus MTL.

Also does the MTL Gazette get fooled into writing the Flyers Recall Tough Guy Wellwood for Tonights Game Article.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Shelly isn’t going to sit tonight versus MTL with all that has gone on with PK and such and with no Carcillo. I still don’t get the Shelly hating. Besides his contract which isn’t his fault. He hasn’t taken penalties that have hurt the team in any major Carcillo like way. He hasn’t gotten killed when on the ice. And the last couple of games Girl Girl camping out in front of the net has produced a couple of goals off his screens. Given his role at 6 minutes per game all even strength I think he has done pretty close to what should be expected of him. I don’t think Wellwood or any other player on this team can fill that role and that amount of ice time any better. In fact calling up Wellwood to play only 6 minutes isn’t going to do him any good.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t think of that. Good point.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Shelly/Flyers Tee-Shirt or comic strip Idea style of the MasterCard Commercial. Needs work but still with cartoons of all the players. Something like this kinda funny.

Leighton 1.5 million to hide on the IR.
Zherdev 2 million to completely not play defense.
Walker 1.7 million dollars to workout in a state of the art gym.
Shelly: 1.1 million to play 6 minutes of mistake free hockey.

Paul Holmgren Overpaying players and Winning the Stanley Cup Priceless.

Needs work.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Paul Holmgren Overpaying players and Winning the Stanley Cup Priceless.

Needs truth.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Maybe that is what he is thinking or dreaming in a comic strip scenario. The Credit Card math of Paul Holmgren.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, besides, that kind of this could cause a jinx when we haven’t won one yet!

Maybe something more like “Paul Holmgren overpaying players and still managing to look better than Lou”?

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And still beating the Rangers and Devils… Good idea there with Lou.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

For clarity, Carcillo has taken 1 non-consecutive minor this year. Shelley has taken 5.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

This year Carcillo has been a lot better. I do agree. Shelly effect or the general depth of the team effect. If Carcillo took some dumb costly penatlies he knows he would be in the doghouse / benched for quite some time.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I dislike him because he is horrible at fighting and is also might get my man traded and doesn’t really play

DCCGDP 13,28,36

by Cillo stache on Nov 22, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He fought the two probably best fighters in the league in Boogard and Englend giving. Nobody else would fight him. He beat the balls of Rupp in Game 1 of the season. He hung in their vs. Parros as well. He is 1-2-1 in those four fights according to hockeyfights.com not bad considering his competition.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

My Nodl scores all the goals in the yard
And I’m like, he’s better than yours
And you’re like, he’s better than yard
And they’re like: Wait, WHAT’S in the yard?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

oh M5, you slay me!

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

A moment of thanks.

“Didja get that, Sam?” Carchidi gave a shout-out to BSH yesterday. I was impressed.

I was initially pissed reading his “Laviolette plays his goalies too damn much” article because I was afraid he was going to grab all of the credit.

Then, he referenced “an excellently-researched article on BroadStreetHockey.com”, which was good to see.

I understand why a lot of journalists are quick to dismiss “mothers-basement” bloggers who say whatever they want, but it’s nice to see some of them coming around to the fact that there are thoughtful, responsible, and well-written blogs out there which legitimately bring something to the table. BSH is obviously such a place.

Hopefully more writers will continue to reference the site, and more people will begin to read it and be enlightened. Kudos to Travis, Geoff, Ben, and Teemu for all of the work they do, and kudos to all of you for making this community what it is.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

I know! I was reading that and my hackles were starting to go up until I saw the credit finally go to Travis on page 2. Sarah B also point to here in an article she wrote yesterday, so two references in one day.

And I emphatically second everything else Mike said up there.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw that as well. Travis thanked him on Twitter and I almost put it in today’s Fly By, but found it stale.

It was definitely appreciated though.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

but found it stale

You know what else is technically “stale”? Croutons, that’s what. And croutons are awesome.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

haha, this is so very true.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, it’s worth linking. At least I think so.

It’s amazing to me how much this site has grown – and how much more respectability it has gained – since I started coming around here in early 2009. You guys should be proud of what you’ve done.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Also french toast is best when the bread is stale.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

And coated with Frosted Flakes

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

OH MY GOD. I must try this sometime.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

no…don’t. Just get powdered sugar and syrup, you’ll be fine. And fresh, Texas toast, a la:

by btowl1818 on Nov 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

What the FRENCH TOAST!?!

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by doubleh on Nov 22, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the 2nd or 3rd time the “mainstream” media has mentioned the guys here. The is the 1st thing Carchidi wrote that my head didn’t explode with anger after reading it in a long time.

by chrislanci on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, man. I think it’s as much a credit to what we do as it is to how they’re evolving. It pisses me off when MSM types ignore what blogs do, but I can understand their hesitation. It’s nice when they break out and can be understanding.

And I guess it does help that we’re in the press box and they’re able to see that I’m a human being and not just some Internet troll, y’know?

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by Travis Hughes on Nov 22, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems Giroux has the complete "Package"

So I guess now we can honesly say ’Roux is a ballsy player

and of course, we all knew the Pronger is forever"going for the cup"…

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

I read an article last night from the french media with Lappy responding to the Subban-Richards stuff. I know Google Translate is usually pretty reliable except when it comes to contextual/grammatical stuff, but if anyone’s interested I can throw up a quick translation in a fanpost or something.

by rmg4519 on Nov 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

I fanshot that last night.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

No worries, just didn’t want you to do work you didn’t have to. That was a very interesting quote though. I enjoyed it…even if it didn’t really make a lot of sense after the google translate.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha I liked how his teammate compared him to Ovechkin. If there’s anything you didn’t get let me know, I majored in French in college haha.

by rmg4519 on Nov 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, also, with all this Zherdev stuff, after the lightning game (his?) agent tweeted that he’s battling the flu bug, but none of the reports or coach mentioned that.

by rmg4519 on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

I am not saying I don’t appreciate your posts and everything you do…but did you really need to include the HBO special?? I think the NHL shoves it down our throats enough

by phinally on Nov 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

it’s necessary for the NHL to ascend to its rightful spot as America’s favorite league.

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I assume you’re referring to Sid and Ovie when you say “shoves it down our throats”, but I am looking forward to 24/7. If it’s more 87 v. 8 garbage, I’ll be disappointed.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure they’ll focus on others like what a “great sport” laich is because he changes tires ugh. But I also feel it will be sid v. ovie. That’s what this winter classic is and this hbo special is just leading up to it. I just can’t stand it sorry. I know i’m def not helping out that winter classics ratings

by phinally on Nov 22, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to apologize. I wasn’t offended and I don’t disagree. I’m just looking forward to what they do.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Despite the fact that I hate almost everything about the Caps and Pens (save Knuble and Asham), I still found that preview interesting and I’m looking forward to seeing some of it.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Nov 22, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve read this before somewhere….hmmm…haha

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, but not everyone is as lucky as you!

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Nov 22, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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