My Roster Moves

by Flyersfan94 on Nov 29, 2010 9:21 PM EST

As we all know, the Flyers have some tough roster moves to make. The returns of Michael Leighton and Dan Carcillo have brought some hard decisions for coach Peter Laviolette. On another note, Matt Walker seems to be itching closer to a return, meaning that we'd another defensemen to an already over-crowded roster. These are my personal roster moves once everyone is healthy.

The first and primary issue is the goaltending. We all know that Sergei Bobrovsky is going no where do to his incredible play, so that leaves Leighton and Brian Boucher. In my opinion, the back-up job belongs to Boosh. Leighton is expecting (or at least was) to be the starter, but will now have to sit due to the stellar play of Bob. Boosh know his role as a back-up, while Leights would rather be the starter. Although I do believe Leighton is a better goalie, I'd rather keep Boosh because of cap-hits and the length of the contracts. Plus there are a few teams who may be looking for a solid back-up. Plus, we could probably get a better return for Leighton. Leighton would be a perfect fit on teams like the Anaheim Ducks, Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers.

Matt Walker should be dealt. Walker has does not fit anywhere on the Flyers' roster, nor the Phantoms' roster. The Flyers have one of the best (if not the best) defensive cores in the league, and still have Oskars Bartulis waiting to crack the line-up as the seventh. The Phantoms' roster is also full. The re-aquisition of Danny Syvret has really helped them (3 goals in 2 games), and the rest of the D slots are filled. Dan Jancevski, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Kevin Marshall, Joonas Lehtivuori and Erik Gustafsson are the other defensemen, so sending him down would be pointless. Possible destinations for Walker would be teams liem the Montreal Canadiens and the Dallas Stars, teams who could be looking for defensive help.

As far as Carcillo goes, I'd keep him around. I'm a personal fan of Carcillo, and feel that he's very usefull. Car-bomb provides great checking on that fourth line and can even put the puck in the net from time to time. Carcillo could even be usefull as a checker on a top-line if injuries occured. Shelley would be the extra forward and could draw in against teams like the New York Rangers and Toronto Maple Leafs.

Let me know what you guys think.

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Yayyy Carcillo!!!
As far as next years cap goes, why does everyone seem to forget that Z is a one year 2 mil contract? We don’t have to resign him, use that money for Leino

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by Cillo stache on Nov 30, 2010 7:50 AM EST reply actions

2011/2012 Cap and Roster

Below you’ll find the players signed for next year and their cap hits in millions (where there are slashes read it is cap with bonuses/cap without bonuses). The current salary cap is $59.4, and you can see below that they are within $1.8/$3.5 of the cap for next year if it does not move. They would have to still sign (or bring up from the AHL roster) 3 forwards to ice a complete team, and could potentially sign 2 more players to fill out a 23 man roster. Zherdev’s money (at least some) has already been spent of Giroux and Carter’s new deals. It’s not as simple as give Leino Zherdev’s $2mil, b/c if Bob and JVR make their bonuses, they don’t have room to even do that and only ice 10 forwards. Now, I’ll assume the cap will go up, but and can fit in Leino, but that still leaves them with 2 must fill spots at forward. It should be an interesting off season depending on what happens to the cap.

2011/2012 Players Under Contract (18 for $57.6/$55.9):
Forwards (9 for $30.1/$29.3):
Briere – $6.5
Richards – $5.75
Carter – $5.27
Hartnell – $4.2
Giroux – $3.75
JVR – $1.65/$.85
Lappy – $1.17
Shelly – $1.1
Betts – $0.7

Defense (7 for $24.2):
Timonen – $6.33
Pronger – $4.92
Meszaros – $4.0
Carle – $3.44
Coburn – $3.2
Walker – $1.7
Bartulis – $0.6

Goalies (2 for $3.3/$2.4):
Bob – $1.75/$0.85
Leights – $1.55

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by DLJr on Nov 30, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

Boosh?

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by Cillo stache on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

He is not under contract for next season.

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by DLJr on Nov 30, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions

But Backlund is, at 800K and a one-way deal for next year. Even though he’s not on the active roster right now, according to 50.5.(d).(i), during the next offseason all players under one-way SPCs will count against the cap until the end of Training Camp, after which time it switches to only counting those on the active roster. So for the purposes of what you have listed above, you might as well include him since he is under contract for 2011-12.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 30, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions

Good point, though I can’t imagine them carrying 3 goalies next season once rosters are set come October, so I am assuming one of those 3 won’t be on the 23 man roster.

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by DLJr on Nov 30, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions

Excellent point. So could you just swap out Bobrovsky for Backlund, in cap terms?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions

As far as calculating what the offseason cap total will be, you mean? Not exactly, because Bob will still count. For whatever percentage of the year Bob spends on the NHL roster, that same percentage of his NHL cap hit will be included in next offseason’s cap total. So if Bob were to theoretically get demoted tomorrow, he would have spent 56 days on the roster out of 186 days in the regular season, so no less than 30% of his cap hit will count next offseason. If he spends the whole year up, just like JVR probably will, his whole cap hit will count during the offseason.

But to be clear, the rules for signing Leino to an extension now, and signing him to a totally new deal in offseason are completely different. A lot of the stuff above will only matter if we have to wait until the offseason, when we get the 10% cushion and Leino would be signing a totally new contract.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 30, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions

haha, interesting. Thanks.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions

If Lappy is finished, we can get him off of the cap, right? Aside from this, Walker should be gone and replaced with someone cheaper. The cap will also probably go up?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.500m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Darroll Powe ($1.000m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
Ben Holmstrom ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Danny Syvret ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

TOTALS:
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,149,156; BONUSES: $1,825,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $75,844

This is pretty close to keeping the same team without the cap going up, assuming O’Donnell wouldn’t be down for another year at 1mil, giving players their due raises, and throwing holmstrom in there as a space saver for visual purposes. If the cap even goes up a little, we can replace someone above with a more potent scorer in the 2mill range.

Now with a 1.5mil cap raise which is half of last years raise:

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.600m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Darroll Powe ($1.000m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Danny Syvret ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

TOTALS:
SALARY CAP: $60,900,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,499,156; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $100,844

Zherdev in as a fill in for visual purposes, Leino making a little more. I think i’m underestimating leino’s contract though. You get the idea.

by phinally on Nov 30, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions

I’m not posting to address what can be done to fit Leino in next year, just to clarify that Leino can’t just take Zherdev’s $2mil and everything will work out (and to give our friend the info in case she hadn’t seen it). Also, Lappy is an over 35 contract, so he doesn’t come off the books if he retires.

Like I said, it will be an interesting off season depending on what happens to the cap, meaning how much the cap increases. There are a ton of scenarios that could happen, so much that I don’t really want to speculate, but you can’t just assume Lappy comes off the books. This doesn’t mean you should stop speculating obviously, just that I haven’t started yet.

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by DLJr on Nov 30, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah i know, it wasn’t really just addressed towards you. Just a projection. Also, what do you think leino is worth?

by phinally on Nov 30, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions

Comparables:
Stempniak: 27yo, $1.75mil hit for 2 years
Ponikarovsky: 30yo, $3mil hit for 1 year
Armstrong: 28yo, $3mil hit for 3 years
Higgins: 27yo, $1.6mil hit for 1 year
Tanguay: 31yo: $1.7mil hit for 1 year
Bertuzzi: 35yo: $1.94 hit for 2 years
Prospal: 35yo, $2.1 hit for 1 year
Frolov: 28 yo, $3mil hit for 1 year

Stempniak I think might be the best comparison, and I’d love to think we could get Leino for that price, but I doubt it; especially when you see some rental players (older short term contracts) around the $2mil mark. Frolov is a player who has demonstrated a high level of point production with a questionable work ethic who signed for $3mil for one year, so I would put that as a ceiling, and maybe $1.9 as the basement (Stempniak-esc deal but factoring in the salary cap raising for two years in a row). A lot might have to do with age and length of the deal. Leino will be turning 28 next season, what would be considered prime age for players, so I’m guessing he’ll be looking for some kind of pay day. I think your numbers are in the ball park, it just depends how he continues to play. I think he will tail off as the season goes on, and his value will drop a little bit, so timing comes in to play as well. So gun to my head, I would say $2.3-$2.8 range for 2-3 years. If I’m the Flyers, I’m pointing at Stempniak’s contract (who finished the season at a point per game place last year with the Coyotes) as a starting point for negotiations (He has 0.59ppg this year, compared to Leino’s .76; and 1.95pts/60 at ES, compared to Leino’s 2.21).

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by DLJr on Nov 30, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions

Very nice! Thanks for the comparisons.

by phinally on Nov 30, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions

Very well said. I think, though, that if guys like Poni and Armstrong (and Malhotra) get $3 million, a guy like Leino can easily get $3 million.

The good thing for the Flyers (not for Leino) is the list of available UFA forwards this offseason:

Richards, Brad
Semin, Alexander
Gagne, Simon
Kovalev, Alexei
Williams, Justin
Ponikarovsky, Alexei
Frolov, Alexander
Hejduk, Milan
Cole, Erik
Knuble, Mike
Fleischmann, Tomas
Samsonov, Sergei
Prospal, Vaclav
Moulson, Matt
Miettinen, Antti
Upshall, Scottie
Laich, Brooks
Zherdev, Nikolai
Jokinen, Jussi
Tanguay, Alex
Larose, Chad

That’s a deep, deep market.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions

The Poni deal scares me, but then the Frolov deal I feel counters the Poni deal and makes me feel a little better. Malholtra was too different of a skill set for me to include, also I like to separate Centers from Wingers in general (not sure if that’s correct or not, just my preference, and I’m sure you know my logic with it so I don’t have to explain), so for me, I left him out.

Excellent point with the market for wingers this year, that should help significantly. Though Leino’s low NHL miles might be as big of a plus as him not having a full NHL season under his belt yet is a negative to some teams.

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by DLJr on Dec 1, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I figured you left out centers on purpose, and I definitely agree with the reasoning. I just am shocked that Malhotra got $3 million, which i think is worth noting if only because he’s not a scorer.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah I am as well, and I agree that it’s important to note the over payments in last year’s market and how they are possible with Leino. But I can see the Canucks over paying for him given their needs at the time; a excellent faceoff man who can kill penalties, and center a 3rd line. Doesn’t make it good value necessarily, but I can see it.

If the Flyers sign Leino though, I would assume it would be before the start of FA, so I would think that would cap him at $2.8. Also, I think a 2 year deal with Harts and Briere playing with him will greatly increase his value for his next contract, and might be the smart long term move for him, assuming he stays healthy.

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by DLJr on Dec 1, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

If Ville sees Giroux take his hit, to wait for the big one, I see Leino taking something closer to 2 than 3. I really think 2 years for 2.0 is very fair for him, because we’ve got some bigger contracts coming off of the books in those years and no way is Hartnell seeing anything close to that 4.2 and no way Kimmo gets more than half of his 6.3. If Ville is smart and plays this the right way, why push himself into a market where he could go way less than his value. If I am Ville Leino (first I’d just change my name to “V”) I sign for two years for whatever the Flyers give me. Hartnell and Briere aren’t going anywhere for those two years, so why not play alongside of one of the better PF’s in the league and one of the best playmakers in the league and rack up as many points as I can. Then when they’re off of the books, take their money. It seems easy. Why get 3.0 for the Islanders (random shitty team) when you can get 2.0 now with us and then maybe 4 with us or somewhere in a longer deal later after you top off your market value.

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by orangeandblack20 on Dec 1, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions

Obviously I agree with most of what you said as you can see in the conversation above, but here is where you are only looking at one side of the picture:

Why get 3.0 for the Islanders (random shitty team) when you can get 2.0 now with us

The other side of that is that a contender in need of wingers has targeted Leino in the FA market, and is willing to give him $3mil to play along side Corsby or Ovie & Backstrom (Semin is on his way out) or Kopitar. So why not take more money to play along side the best talent in the NHL. It’s easy to say “why not take less to play with a contender”, but there is always the possibility of a contender offering him more.

As Geoff pointed out, it’s a good market for FA wingers this off season, so that should help keep Leino affordable for the Flyers. And as I mentioned above, I think his range is $1.9 to $3mil for 2-3 years, most likely ending up in the $2.3-$2.8 range.

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by DLJr on Dec 1, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

Umm, Manny got that much because he wins 60% of his faceoffs, and is a 10-goal/30-point player while playing tough minutes on shutdown lines. While I think he may have been overpaid, he didn’t get $3 million anyway – his contract on Capgeek says $2.5, which ain’t bad for his skill set.

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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 1, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions

He did get $2.5. My fault.

But again, I know why he got the contract he did, and I know just how good he is. But that’s not to say it’s surprising that someone valued a defensive forward at $2.5 million.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions

Lappy can’t be taken off the cap since he’s a 35+ contract.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions

He is going to have to go LTIR next year. know we don’t want to do it, but he should never play again and we can’t keep that cap hit.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 30, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

His cap hit stays even if he’s on LTIR, that’s the point.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, but we can sign a guy with the cushion he is provided.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Dec 1, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

Which handcuffs the team for the length of his deal… And there are much better ways to “get” $1.1 million.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions

Isn’t it just one more year?

This wouldn’t be until the 2011-2012 season.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Dec 1, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, it’s just one more year.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks

by phinally on Nov 30, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions

I’ll add two more destinations for Leights….Carolina or Colorado. The ’Canes are quickly realizing that Cam Ward is not the answer…and pretty well sucks. It seems Anderson was a flash in the pan and Budaj is certainly not the answer in goal for the ’Lanche. Leighton could provide some stability for eith of them while they develop their own talent.

Walker might be a nice option for the Kings as well. Providing some leadership and stability while Doughty gets his game in order.

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 30, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions

Cam Ward is not the answer? I mean, he looked bad last night, but… Cam Ward is very good.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions

I’d add an extra very to that.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Dec 2, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions

Not to mention that the Canes defense is just terrible right now. Ward looked like the goalie in Slapshot in the scene where he comes into the locker room after getting shelled and is still bouncing around like a trout.

by Gizmoitus on Dec 3, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions

And yet Ward is still 7th in the league in save percentage.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 3, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

I would do absolutely nothing until the deadline or our own injuries pile up. Carry all three goalies carry Walker who the hell cares it is not our money. At the deadline we might be able get a nice veteran player on a rental deal for the cup run. I consider Walker and the 3rd goalie as potential free cap space. That I don’t want to use until I have to meaning serious injury or the deadline. Walker and Leighton’s value will only go up as other teams injuries pile up as well. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves too much can happen between now and the deadline.

by chrislanci on Nov 30, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions

Well, the only way to possibly keep them all is to put Lappy on LTIR, otherwise we’re over the cap. There’s not enough ice time to carry 3 goalies with the big club, and Bob is the only one who doesn’t have to clear waivers to send down, and I don’t see that happening to the 2nd leading vote getter for All-Star goalie. I’d rather have Bartulis as the spare d-man and send Walker to anywhere for a draft pick.

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Nov 30, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

As PFF says, you can’t carry all of them. Not only is that over the cap, but that’s 25 players. Even if you put Lappy on LTIR, you still have 24 players.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions

Can’t we put both Walker and Lappy on LTIR as they are both injuried long-term.

by chrislanci on Dec 1, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions

Why not just waive Walker?

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by Ed Van Chimp on Dec 1, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions

Or that do but since he is injuried if they need the space use the LTIR when he is healthy then waive him or trade or god forbid something else happens and we are forced to play him.

by chrislanci on Dec 1, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions

They can waive him now according to Geoff because the injury happened in training camp. I’m not comfortable at all with our bonus cushion situation. Bob and O’Donnell have FAR outperformed their expectations.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Dec 1, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions

Those bonuses could be ridiculous for all we know. Like winning the Stanley Cup or Veznia or Norris Trophy even better the Toyota Cup who the hell knows.

I think BOB gets a bonus for playing 13 games straight which is why he was benched the other day.

by chrislanci on Dec 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions

LTIR is a terrible alternative. We have been over this many times.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions

It isn’t the money that is the issue it is the cap space, and the possibility that we could go over that with the bonuses. O’Donnell and BOB have been great so they might achieve some of their bonuses.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions

Hey, everyone, relax. Holmgren was nominated by NHL.com as the top GM in the league so far this year. Let’s not fret, I’m sure he knows exactly what he’s doing.

by Vansteel on Nov 30, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions

Haha

Good one.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 30, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions

If I didn’t know hockey and went to nhl . com, I’d think there were only two players in the league.

by phinally on Nov 30, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions

Stamkos is getting a bit of cred recently, it’s pretty refreshing.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 30, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions

It’s well deserved though. When a player is on fire like that, you can’t overlook it haha. I am happy somebody is stealing the spotlight like you said. Hopefully G does it next.

by phinally on Nov 30, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions

It's in the realm of reality ...

The assumption is that Lappy (unfortunately) stays on LTIR, and Shelley gets shipped to somewhere else in exchange for a used skate dryer, Walker for a draft pick. NO money available to sign Zherdev, no matter how much you may want to or not by season’s end.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
Ville Leino ($2.300m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Matt Clackson ($0.500m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
/ / Michael Testwuide ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,269,156; BONUSES: $1,960,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $90,844

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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 1, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions

Laperriere isn’t on LTIR, but Matt Clackson??

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah – my assumption is that Lappy goes onto LTIR soon though. And Clackson only because everyone seems to think the team needs a dedicated fighter (and frankly, I don’t know him, but he had the highest PIMs on the Phantoms roster outside of Rinaldo, whom I do know of).

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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 2, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions

Clackson won’t make the NHL.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

Fair enough – fill in the name of any other minor-league talent-level goon for $500k and call it done.

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Dec 2, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions

Powe would get a raise,
Nodl would get a raise,
Clackson will NOT be playing on the Flyers,
Where’s Wellwood,
Why Carcillo,
O’Donnell is a huge maybe,
The Cap will most likely go up.

by phinally on Dec 2, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions

Why not Carcillo?

Carcillo's number one lover fan and defender

by Cillo stache on Dec 2, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions

B/c it doesn’t seem like they’re getting rid of Shelley. I’d rather have Carcillo and maybe they’ll keep him. Just trying to be realistic

by phinally on Dec 2, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions

Carcillo is going to expect a raise, too. I’ll refrain myself from going on forever about everything in there, though.

PS to penguinsfan – You inadvertently gave O’Donnell a raise, because CapGeek auto-converted his 1M+300K in bonuses this year into 1.3M in base pay for next year.

by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 2, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions

Huh – how ‘bout that? Guess I had even more wiggle room than I thought! Thanks for noticing. But unless Carcillo starts seeing some ice time, he won’t be in line for a raise beyond the RFA qualifying offer.

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Dec 2, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions

Idk what you could disagree with..

by phinally on Dec 2, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions

Adjusted numbers/lineup

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.950m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.400m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.175m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.800m)
/ Michael Testwuide ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O’Donnell ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) /Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,424,156; BONUSES: $1,960,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$64,156

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Dec 3, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t see O`Donnell being brought back, but that saves you money.

I also don’t see Nodl/Carcillo/Powe getting a grand total of $275,000 in raises. But it’s definitely do-able. If you put Lappy on LTIR and waive both Shelley and Walker.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 3, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions

Why is everyone saying O’Donnell is ‘one and done’ here? Last I checked he was LEADING THE LEAGUE in plus/minus (and say what you wil about that stat – it’s still impressive). Is he simply planning to retire? Or are the young guns on the Phantoms that good … sure wouldn’t appear so by their record lately? I don’t much like a Meszaros/Syvret pairing …

All I did for those three forwards was give them their 10% RFA qualifying offers. Nodl could be the big winner if he keeps up his current play, but it’s a young season and we’ve been waiting for this for how many years from him already? Carcillo isn’t even playing – not sure what to make of his salary potential. And Powe, while I love the guy’s style of play, just isn’t the kind of player to make more than $1m a year in the league. I mean – look at Betts’ salary!!!

The real hope is that Walker and Shelley get traded for picks, not simply waived. Second (and fading) hope is that Lappy can play again; that would mean other roster moves unless the cap increases enough to keep him and leave off one of the AHLers.

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Dec 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions

Well, O`Donnell is 39 years old and will be 40 at the beginning of next season. Second, his plus/minus may be impressive, but his on-ice save percentage is 0.964. That’s incredibly, unsustainably high. Add in that his on-ice shooting percentage is 11.6 – again, incredibly, unsustainably high – and you only begin to touch the surface of why O`Donnell’s plus/minus is as high as it is.

Second, are you really going to take the Phantoms record as evidence of how good the Phantoms defensemen are?

Next, low-balling everybody is possible, but that doesn’t mean it’s likely. And when you have to low-ball three players and make three others disappear, well, I’m going to say something. Does that mean it can’t be done? No, I said as much. But do you really think there will only be three players (Zherdev/Shelley/Boucher) not returning from this year’s team? You’ve kept 8 of the top 9 together, and 3 of the bottom 4. All 7 defensemen, and two of three goalies.

Every team has more turnover than that.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 3, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions

What Geoff is implying by touch the surface (or maybe more so what I want him to be implying) with O’DOnnell’s +/- is the fact that the 3rd pairing for the Flyers has been playing against predominantly the 3rd and 4th lines of the opposing teams. So while it’s a great number right now, you’d want it to be that good with the quality that Meszaros and O’Donnell bring on the back end compared to the competition they are facing.

Geoff has Boosh, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Dec 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions

Among other things.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 3, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions

Haha indeed, and you had brought up a couple of very good points already.

Geoff has Boosh, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Dec 4, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions

Everyone is saying that because he really is near the end of his career and definitely considering retiring. I’m pretty sure I read quotes where he said he just wanted to take it year to year and play for a contender. So he’s basically trying to get another cup within the next year or so and then he’s finished.

by phinally on Dec 4, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions

Shoot – forgot the 10% upcharge for RFAs Nodl, Powe, and Carbomb. I guess that eats up whatever increased cap there would be …

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Dec 1, 2010 5:01 PM EST reply actions

Ah, you didn’t reply to yourself so I didn’t see…But, if the cap goes up, I think you’re underestimating how much it would go up.

by phinally on Dec 2, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions

Does anyone else think that it could be Carle that is moved at some stage? To me he seems the most replaceable, and not impossible to move due to his perceived value coming from playing with Pronger and his comparatively low cap hit.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Dec 2, 2010 6:00 AM EST reply actions

Yeah, its crossed my mind. I feel like he would be the first playing d-man to go

by phinally on Dec 2, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions

i believe Boucher will be placed on waivers, if he clears waivers then will be sent to the minors. i said 2 weeks ago that when Carcillo came back that he would be traded to potentially LA as they want him, but now i dont think Carcillo is going anywhere with the inconsistent play of Zherdev whom does not fit into the team system, he makes too many indecisive decisions on the ice and i believe still dogs it and im glad Homer only gave him a year deal. i believe Bob is the goalie all the way through and Leighton will be the backup and Lappy will be placed on the LTIR list to free up some cap space. Walker, who knows what the deal will be with him, he was basically a throw in, with the Gagne trade, he wont be here long, unless there is a significant injury to one of the top 6 d-man.

by flyerslar1970 on Dec 5, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions