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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 10:24 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps of last night's loss: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [Philly Sports Daily] [Inquirer] [Flyers Faithful] [Daily News] [delcotimes.com] [Courier-Post] [The700level]
- Was the ugliest part of last night's loss the power play? [Philly Sports Daily]
- Or Scott Hartnell's shootout attempt? [The700level]
- The Phantoms loaned Cullen Eddy and Brian Stewart to Greenville of the ECHL: [PSPhantoms]
- Forbes says the Flyers are valued at $301 million: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Looking at the best coaching jobs through the first two months. Peter Laviolette gets the top spot: [From The Rink]
- If anybody has ESPN Insider, I'd love to know what this article says besides the headline: "The Boston Bruins and Philadelphia Flyers may be doomed because of LTIR": [ESPNinsider]
- Good article about why Michael Leighton's return causes more questions than answers for the Flyers: [The700Level.com]
- Remember, BSH pickup game this Sunday: [BSH]
- Lastly, an interesting tidbit from Assistant General Manager Barry Hanrahan: The Flyers are about $700,000 under the salary cap. [Inquirer] CapGeek disagrees with that statement.
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The Bruins and Flyers are on shaky ground in that regard this season. Both teams are heavy in performance bonuses — the Bruins with more than $4 million and the Flyers with more than $1.9 million — and both are operating exactly at the cap because of LTIR.
Marc Savard is ready to return for the Bruins, but Marco Sturm and Trent Whitfield remain on LTIR. Flyers veteran Ian Laperriere likely will be on LTIR for the rest of the year.
The way things stand today for the Bruins and Flyers, any bonuses earned at season’s end would carry forward as an overage penalty in 2011-12. Making matters worse, the bonus cushion will not be around next season to ease the pain.
I’m assuming that’s a quote, so let me freak out over this:
the bonus cushion will not be around next season to ease the pain.
Say WHAT?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve brought this up before. The expiring CBA (and unsurity of a following season) is the best reason I could find for not having the bonus cushion.
Mourning Gagne forever.
I’m pretty sure there was no bonus cushion in 2008-09 either, I believe it was a hard cap because there was an option to terminate the CBA after that year.
Now if the NHLPA would get its act together and start negotiating the new CBA, they may be able to find a way to keep the bonus cushion. It could be a motivating factor for the owners to get a deal done, because there may be some who want to avoid the firesale that could be created by a hard cap. But that part about the NHLPA getting it’s act together is a really really big if.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 2, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Flyers veteran Ian Laperriere likely will be on LTIR for the rest of the year.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that Leighton was the only Flyer to be placed on LTIR thus far this year…
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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Dec 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
You’re correct.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong
He didn’t need you to reassure him, just correct him if he was wrong.
/sarcasm
What can't Giroux do?
haha, touche.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Lappy
I believe that Laperierre’s salary counts towards the cap whether he is on LTIR or retired because he has an over-35 contract. Leighton was the only one on LTIR right now, I still don’t understand why Walker is not on it.
by flyersphan17 on Dec 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
LTIR is a last-resort. It only helps if you need the cap space. It’d be much better to waive Walker than put either him or Lappy on LTIR.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that an over-35 contract hit the cap no matter whether they played or were on LTIR?
by flyersphan17 on Dec 2, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Every contract’s cap hit counts against the cap whether they are on LTIR or not. Lappy’s over-35 means if he retires, the Flyers don’t get any cap relief.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea whether he returns or not, but it’s better that he doesn’t go on LTIR as long as the Flyers have unnecessary, excess players (Walker, third goalie).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’m in agreement that we should waive Walker. I would like to see what we can do about the goalie situation, which I’m still not sure what will happen.
No Bonus cushion for next season is making me crap my pants right now, I hope nothing bad happens due to that. Does anybody know what exactly are the performance bonuses in our contracts or what the players will have to do to obtain them at all? Or will we just find out at the end of the season our cap next year is screwed?
Also I’m just wondering (though I don’t want them to do this at all and don’t think it’ll happen, just curious so don’t kill me for asking), would waiving Lappy give us any relief at all in any sense with the cap if we get into some kind of dire situation, or would it even be allowed in this case, and is there something in the fact he has a 35+ contract that would make this different.
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I’m not aware of any resource which says what a player’s performance bonuses are. I wish there was one, because that’d be awesome, but I don’t know of one.
As far as waiving Lappy… I don’t know, but even if the Flyers can successfully claim he was injured during training camp (possible, not guaranteed), I have to think the NHL wouldn’t allow that to happen. If it isn’t spelled out explicitly, that seems like a fairly blatant cap circumvention to me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I was thinking that a resource like that would be great to know how the players get the bonuses (I know where to look for baseball). Who knows, maybe the people who run capgeek know since they know the amount the bonuses are worth, maybe one of you guys could ask them?
I also wonder what kind of things do they use as bonuses in hockey. I know baseball it’s stuff like making the All Star team, getting awards, sometimes with older pitchers IP gives them a bonus. But for hockey forwards I’m guessing (like JVR) may get them for awards as well, or like top 10 in points or goals, or a certain threshold for goals and such. For goalies like Bob I would think they may get bonuses for awards, number of wins, maybe starts even?
If you ever find where all the bonuses are spelled out let me know, and I’ll do the same if I ever do.
And I agree, even if the Flyers wanted to waive Lappy I’m sure something would not allow them to do so, but I thought it would be interesting just to bring it up.
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Who knows, maybe the people who run capgeek know since they know the amount the bonuses are worth, maybe one of you guys could ask them?
I’m pretty sure they don’t. From one of their pages:
Although the amount of performance bonuses actually earned is not readily available, the carryover penalties for each team have been confirmed by CapGeek.com sources.
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Thanks for letting me know. I guess we’ll never know unless they meet them and Chicago our cap after the season…
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by Lindbergh 31 on Dec 2, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Exhibit 5 in the CBA lists all the possible bonuses that can be negotiated into any entry-level contract. Reading that gives you some idea of how the bonuses work. But figuring out which ones are in any contract is basically impossible, because it’s not published anywhere I’ve ever been able to find it. You really don’t have any clue which ones are in each guy’s contract.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 2, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, I’ll take a look at that, I wondered what bonuses they can put in. I’m going to take a read in that (first time reading the CBA, exciting!). I’m also guessing that those bonuses can apply to the 35+ contracts as well.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Dec 2, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me that the only other people on the ice were injured thus making Hartnell the only option Laviolette had to give that the penalty shot.
What can't Giroux do?
The penalty was for Hartnell
He had to shoot.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Dec 2, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I didnt think the person interfered with had to shoot. I thought it was the coach’s choice of anyone on the ice.
What can't Giroux do?
From what I’m reading it is right, I believe anybody who was on the ice at the time the penalty shot was called can take the shot. Maybe Lavi just thought since Hartnell got it he awarded it to him.
I’m trying to remember all the penalty shots I’ve seen in a hockey game live, and in my memory whoever drew the penalty shot has been the one to take it, maybe that’s just the way they do it?
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From the Rulebook:
24.3 Designated Player – In cases where a penalty shot has been awarded to a player specifically fouled, that player shall be designated by the Referee to take the penalty shot.
In all other cases where a penalty shot has been awarded, the penalty shot shall be taken by a player selected by the Captain of the non-offending team from the players on the ice at the time when the foul was committed. Such selection shall be reported to the Referee and cannot be changed.
In other non-hockey news. USA lost the bid for the 2022 World Cup to….Qatar?!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
At least China is out of the picture for 2026.
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RIP Fran Crippen
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 2, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
The air quality was bad enough it threatened the Beijing summer games…..I can’t see getting better in 16 years unless the human species evovles an extra organ to detoxify mercury in that time frame.
They need to pretend they’re hosting an important sporting event every day. That way, the government can force companies and people to stop polluting the air.
My cousin has lived in Taipei, Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong. Every time he went over there, his skin broke out something fierce.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
They need to pretend they’re hosting an important sporting event every day. That way, the government can force companies and people to stop polluting the air….
and make more kick ass buildings.
exactly
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I love this. Someday, we’ll start making interesting buildings again.
I seriously can’t believe that. Yeah Qatar is a rich nation, but it’s so tiny, and I don’t even know if they have a stadium that would work for the world cup (they probably do, I’m not in the mood to search for it).
At least we’ll have a shot next time, I hope we host something in the next 20 years….
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In Qatar, it is illegal to drink alcohol. Also, homosexuality is a crime punishable by a maximum of 5 years in prison.
Congrats?
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No alcohol, I don’t think that all the sports fans will be happy about that. Alcohol and sports games go hand in hand (not for myself personally, but I’m sure for a lot of fans).
And they’re a homophobic nation, great, I’m sure that’ll cause an outrage especially in 12 years when gay rights have moved forward in the world and they may be persecuted for going to the World Cup? (completely surmising that last bit, I don’t know if that law applies to visitors or not).
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It’s all part of Shari’a, the sacred law of Islam. Alcohol and homosexuality have been frowned upon there since the days of the Prophet Muhammad. I don’t know if it would apply to visitors, I imagine it would, but suffice to say, I would hate to be an openly gay soccer player playing in the World Cup in 2022.
With the alcohol, there are initial plans to have designated drinking zones. Yay progressivism!
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One of the most influential quatarists ever was Johnny “Qatar” Watson.
We could go on for hours, folks!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
No, but I have a touchstyle qatar, which is like the Chapman Stick.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Dude, that’s awesome. I’ve been wanting to someday get myself a Chapman stick, I think that they are so totally cool, and I love to tap on bass at times so it’ll be cool to use it on another instrument.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers website has a bit of a fluff piece on Chris Pronger today, but I noticed our own Mr. Hughes makes an appearance in the accompanying photo gallery. As does some truly classic 90s hair.
haha that is truly amazing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Purely for aesthetic reasons
Pronger looked the best in a Whalers uniform
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Pronger looks best with a 10-dollar barbershop cut and a leather Starter jacket.
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Rockin that Comb over for men that aren’t bald
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
That was every guy’s haircut back then…feathered to the side, man. I dated a guy who looked like Pronger back in HS; hopefully, Pronger’s not as dumb (I don’t think he is).
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I have no room to talk. I had a mullet back then.
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No rat tail. Mullet though. My friends called me Jaromir Jagr until I cut it.
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This is full of win btw
People call me Farva from super troopers because I look like him and am pretty much a dick
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
You look like Farva?! That is amazing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Same body type. Same hair color. The face not so much, but the fact that I’m on the plus side of average and have a knack of arguing with people for the sake of arguing, got me that nickname
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
“This is officer Rod Farva, I want a literacola!”
“Does that look like spit to you? Ah, what the hell!”
Classic movie.
Funny aside, there is this police officer who is always assigned to my subway station, and I always think to myself that he looks a lot like Farva with glasses, it’s funny. I always say in my head “This is officer Rod Farva and laugh to myself”
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Does this look like spit to you?
Ah, fuck it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Could it be worse than
From left to right
A full hawk with liberty spikes, then it was the Misfits so I had to have a devilock, then went back to a classic (low maintenance, nothing to get caught in high rpm machinery) but it was black with blue tips, and then the final hair experiment before I went and growed up- I called it the Romulan but it was blue black.
Ummm….ya. So far I’ve had really bad bowl cut and curly hair. Doesn’t matter how long it is my hair always looks the same length. How short does it have to be for said blue tips?
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When I did my blue tips my hair was 3 to 4 inches. But I had my done. I did some work for friend who was a great hair stylist and one of her specialities was multi-colored dye jobs. I kid you not as cool as it looked it was a bitch toi maintain. The blue is very translucent and fades quickly so I had to reapply it a few times a month. So you have curly hair? Kinda of bitch for punk style hair. I can sympathize, my hair is thick and fairly wavy when it gets long. The best hair for punk styles is straight and fine or asian hair.
Decline the penalty.
“Tripping… Defense number 6… Penalty is declined… First down.”
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by mikefive on Dec 2, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I loved their 3rd period strategy to come back in the game down 2-0 last night too. Only take 5 shots in the first 13 or 15 minutes in the period.
They’re trying to force goals by getting too fancy, in my opinion (e.g., behind the back passes, etc.). I say play the averages and just get the pucks on net instead of waiting for the perfect opportunity to open up.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Yeah in the last few games they have had very little in the middle, most of their time spent in the offensive zone has been around the boards cycling and waiting for an opening that never comes. Sometimes throwing it toward the net can lead to good things, but 5 shots in more than half a period in a game where you’re trailing 2-0 is not how to win.
Side note: did it seem to anyone else like they lost every single offensive zone (5 on 5) faceoff?
haha, that is funny.
Is it actually possible to decline the penalty in hockey? I mean it would be absurd to do so, but the way our PP is going I don’t think it’d make a difference.
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Is it actually possible to decline the penalty in hockey?
Not as far as I know, but there are plenty of times I wish that the Flyers could get the hockey equivalent of “a fresh set of downs.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah I know what you mean by that, we could use that a lot, but in reality a Power Play SHOULD do that, too bad for us it means an agonizing 2 minutes of futile attempts to score. I haven’t been able to watch any games in awhile except the 3rd period against the Devils so I don’t really know why the PP is crappy now. I remember earlier this season they were just passing too much and not shooting. Is that what it is now or something else?
I hope I can catch the Devils game and try to see what’s wrong, or better yet see that they’ve fixed it and play like the PP we have known and loved for the past few seasons.
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OT
But Philly related. Tonight on It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia your own WFC’s Phillies Ryan Howard and Chase Utley make cameos. Watch it, if only for the opportunity to maybe hear Chase curse again on national TV?
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