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The airing of grievances: Holiday break begins with 5-0 Florida 'ass kicking'

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PHILADELPHIA -- Tonight was a bad game. The worst of the season. It was very, very bad, but we're taking the Sean O'Donnell atttitude on tonight's 5-0 shutout loss to the Florida Panthers.

"You'd like to think that as professional athletes you come and play hard 82 nights, but there's some nights where it's just -- it's no excuse, but we had some real tough games lately. The Rangers, Pittsburgh, Boston and Montreal. We did well. We weren't able to get up for this game.

"Fortunately it's one game here. You know, when you win you celebrate for a couple of minutes and put it behind you. We're just going to have to do the same thing tonight."

Amen, Sean. So let's do that. We're going to clear the air. In the Festivus spirit, it's time for the Airing of Grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people!

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(Note: some of these notes below are sarcastic, and just about all of them are exaggerated. Don't get your panties in a bunch.)

- You let Bill Thomas, Evgeny Dadonov, Shawn Matthias, Mike Santorelli and Dmitry Kulikov beat you tonight. Five goals from five completely unknown players (basically). Could've dealt with a goal or two from David Booth, maybe Bryan McCabe. But Bill fucking Thomas? Are you kidding me?

- Matt Carle was a minus-3 tonight, and it's quite possible that getting completely outworked and embarrassed along the wall by Dadonov on the second goal was the goal that made most of the team say "screw this, I want egg nog."

- Dan Carcillo. If there's ever a time for you to fight... it's during the second period tonight. And you don't do it. Why are we paying you?

- You really got so cocky, Flyers, that you thought you could waltz in and beat the Florida Panthers without any effort? Did you realize the Panthers had chased the starting goaltender in their last two games tonight? Make it three. You made Bob wish he was back in Novokuznetsk again.

- You knew this was a trap game. You absolutely, positively knew it. And you still decided not to put in any effort.

- Ian Laperriere was seen with Kate Gosselin and her 123 kids in a suite tonight. Note: don't let reality TV stars in the house anymore.

- Okay, guys. We all know you wanted to upstage the Eagles and everything, but a 5-0 deficit in the third period isn't ever a good thing. Besides, the Panthers play about as far (culturally speaking) from New York as possible, so domination is never a guarantee.

- Feel free to add your own grievances in the comments.

Okay, now that that's out of the way: tonight's game sucked. The Flyers will go off on vacation after tomorrow's skills competition for four days, get away from hockey, and be back and ready for a really, really difficult road trip. It's a good chance to forget all about this mess and regroup in Vancouver next Tuesday.

Questions with Answers

  1. This isn't a trap game, is it? It is.
  2. Can Zherdev (and the rest of that line) keep it up? Nobody kept anything up tonight (that's what she said).
  3. How about the defense? Great all-around defensive game the other night. A repeat? See answer 2.
  4. This will be answered before the game, but who is the healthy scratch tonight, and does that decision appear to be wise? Shelley was the scratch again. Who knows if he would've given the team the spark tonight, but Carcillo certainly didn't do it.
  5. The Flyers put a season-high 42 shots on the Panthers when these teams met here last time. Can they control the offensive game and pepper Vokoun again? One of the rare games the Flyers have been outshot this season. Not sure on the exact number, but the Flyers aren't outshot often these days.

Some video from a bunch of dejected hockey players (and an irritated coach)...

Post-Game Video: Peter Laviolette

Post-Game Video: Sean O`Donnell

Post-Game Video: Scott Hartnell

Post-Game Video: Mike Richards

Post-Game Video: Kimmo Timonen

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I haven’t gotten to watch more than one game in the past two weeks. That sucks ass. Can’t wait for after the holidays when things are (hopefully) less crazy.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Dec 20, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

i love your recaps cause you post video/audio from players that the flyers dont, but who the EFF is that 12 year old in the suit thats always in the back of the media scrums? geez they let anyone in there.

but with all that talk last season about how jeff reese refined leightons game and turned water into wine and blah blah, well, how about with all these articles about with all the time off reese has gotten to work with bob, well it looks like hes completely ruined him, no?

by rmg4519 on Dec 20, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t say that. If you think Bob is worse now than at the start of the season it could be because Reese’s training has confused him or he’s trying too much, but that’s just a transitional stage and in professional sport it should get resolved. But I think it’s more likely just teams being more prepared for him plus him being not as hot. I also wonder about the toll this season (much longer than anything he’s ready for) in unfamiliar surroundings is having on him emotionally and physically (j reed should be able to provide some info here). That’s not even mentioning the psychological damage caused by that segment with Coatsey.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 21, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

BILL FUCKING THOMAS? REALLY? In all seriousness, these games happen, and they suck. Hopefully they learn from it and just move on and come back ready for this brutal road trip

Being a philly fan isn't something you become...you are born with it. If it was a choice, nobody would choose to suffer like we do. And I wouldn't have it any other damn way.
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by Daniel Solomon on Dec 20, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

I think your tagline and my tagline should get together and see where the night takes them. Haha. Very nicely played.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Dec 20, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I am disappointed that I can only rec this once. Heads need to roll at the top of SBN too.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Dec 20, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No kidding. Seriously using “samsies” in a hockey discussion? Visiting Chile during hockey season? Who are these so-called “bloggers?”

I vote Frank from Pensburgh replaces these guys. Who’s with me?

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by Justin F. on Dec 21, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

My vote goes to John Fischer from ILWT.

Use of “samsies” = instant permaban.
Use of “Latvian wolf” = instant permaban.
Use of “Noodles” = instant permaban.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 21, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

John Fischer even banned the trapezoid over there

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 21, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

And they already want to ban wet noodles, but that’s alright, all part of the routine:

I jumped on the train at the last minute, on my way home for bans and recaps

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 21, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

And he means the geometric shape, not the goalie box.

Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, Lee. We win.

by Bud in TN on Dec 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds right


Noodles! Off wih his head!

by j reed on Dec 21, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I assume use of “Andreas No-Goal” = instant permaban?

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Dec 21, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Fischer would ban you for that question

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 21, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mario???

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh...

I Live outside of the US and I only get to come home at christmas and the last 3 years I’ve gotten tickets for a game before the holiday road trip. I’ve only had a chance to see the flyers live 4 times (3 xmas and game one of the ECF against the Pens 3 years ago) and For me watching the Flyers live is like having an abusive boyfriend, I still love them but they beat the shit out of me everytime I see them.

by Kevin Rees on Dec 20, 2010 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, we’ve been outshot more times than I thought we had. I wouldn’t have realized it if I hadn’t looked at the stats page when orangeandblack20 put up the FanPost about the league rankings. When we outshoot our opponents, we’re 10-5-4 in 19 games, and 11-3-1 when we were outshot in 15 games (for the record, shots were dead even in one game). I was surprised, I thought we were outshooting our opponents almost every time, but it’s more mixed. Problem is, by those numbers we have a better record when we’re outshot, and that definitely didn’t happen today.

I hope Lavy doesn’t punish them so much in practice tomorrow that the skills competition is absolutely no fun; as mikefive already pointed out it’s in jeopardy as is, but a bag skate or something of that nature could make it worse.

by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 20, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

Also, practice is at 430 tomorrow. Skills competition is at 630. A bag skate could very well totally kill them and ruin things.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 21, 2010 12:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ah, the website still says 11:30 in Voorhees, I didn’t spot the announcement of the change.

by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 21, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Is the skills competition part of the all-star game?

by j reed on Dec 21, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Mike Keenan did that to them his first year as head coach, following a sloppy pre-Christmas road loss to Pittsburgh.

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

O’Donnell’s interview was near perfect.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Dec 20, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

I was just saying this. Loved it. Plus he looks like Johnny so I that’s like 10,000 extra awesome points.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Dec 20, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What the fuck is redneck rebellion

?

Say hi to the bad guy.
Yankees/Flyers/Gunners

by NYflyGUY on Dec 21, 2010 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t google it that is what they want you to do.

by chrislanci on Dec 21, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

the Panthers play about as far (culturally speaking) from New York as possible

Great writeup, but South Florida in the winter is one of two shades of weirdness: Big Coin New York or Big Coin Quebecois. Ironically, both scored Stanley Cup victories in consecutive years while still managing to not tip well. Tradition continues to this day (minus the Cup-winning thing).

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by Donny Rivette on Dec 21, 2010 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

Plus, it’s Sunrise. Over 1% of the population speaks Yiddish at home. That’s so New York. (semi-sarcasm)

Seriously, New York is 9% Jewish. New Jersey is 5.5% Jewish. Florida is 5% Jewish.

Hispanics and African-Americans make up about 50% of NYC’s population. They’re about 40% of Sunrise’s population, and about 70% of Miami-Dade’s overall population.

I’d say Tampa, Nashville, and the entire Western Conference except LA are further from NYC (culturally speaking) than the Panthers.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Dec 21, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Nashville? Around here, the one agreement culturally I have with the locals is that we both hate the Yankees.

Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, Lee. We win.

by Bud in TN on Dec 21, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My festivus grievance

My grievance: I was at the game tonight, and as terrible as it was to watch, it was just as embarrassing seeing about 40-50% of the crowd stand up in unison at about 8:30 left in the third at a whistle to leave the stadium. Yes, the game was obviously an embarrassment, but deciding to abandon the team is equally embarrassing as fans. I’m already against leaving with 1-2 minutes remaining to “beat traffic” as it is, but with almost half a period left is, well, to overuse the word, embarrassing.

I play hockey, and there’s nothing that bothers me more than my team half-assing it the last 5 minutes of an already lost game. Have some pride and give it your all until it’s completely over. I feel that as fans, we are a part of the team, albeit in a much smaller way than those actually in the organization. Leaving a game that early is just as bad as the players giving up with that much time remaining. I know it sure as hell didn’t motivate them to play any better after those fans left, so why should they even care?

Finish the game: teams don’t need your support when they’re winning, they need it when they’re not.

by Tallant on Dec 21, 2010 2:43 AM EST reply actions  

Flyers Eclipsed


moon… zero. howl…meow.

by j reed on Dec 21, 2010 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

I blame the eclipse. That’s the only explanation for the offensive outburst from the Panthers. That and the total lack of any semblance of a defensive gameplan.

I just hope this Flyers team stays on vacation and when the 8 days are up the one that plays good hockey shows up. It would be so very welcome to not have to experience the traditional annual Flyers Swoon® this season.

I don't know what the fans do to create that much more volume and excitement in the stadium, but it's definitely something extra [in Philadelphia]. They're passionate fans. They understand what's going on. They don't need a teleprompter to tell them to get up and cheer. -Cliff Lee

by doubleh on Dec 21, 2010 3:05 AM EST reply actions  

did you see the eclipse? you still can. now it looks like a smokey harvest moon.

by j reed on Dec 21, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I did. It was cool and yet kind of creepy. It’s really dark where I live to begin with—it is absolutely pitch black now. Can’t see your hand in front of your face if there weren’t still some Christmas lights on outside at the neighboring house.

I don't know what the fans do to create that much more volume and excitement in the stadium, but it's definitely something extra [in Philadelphia]. They're passionate fans. They understand what's going on. They don't need a teleprompter to tell them to get up and cheer. -Cliff Lee

by doubleh on Dec 21, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Too much light here in the city to really see it well enough.

I know that God is in the Radio.

by jello44 on Dec 21, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

RIP

Here lies the evidence of the last goal Kovalchuk ever scored.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Dec 21, 2010 3:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok two things...

First, kudos on the Seinfeld reference. I am pretty confident when I say that the only thing that will stand the test of time better than death and taxes is Seinfeld.

Secondly, that was an absolutely pitiful display last night. Teams are going to have a bad game every so often, especially after they play as many tough games as they did but regardless, I would hope and expect that a team at least shows up in front of the home crowd better than they did.

Let’s hope they come back from their break rested and ready to go on another roll.

I’ll be traveling the next few days so I probably won’t be on here or any of the other SBN sites I frequent much so Happy Holidays to all of you. Safe travels and stay safe.

Go Flyers!

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by EREX21 on Dec 21, 2010 7:11 AM EST reply actions  

Grievance

Yeah I got one:

“Well after a streak of going 9-1-1 in their last 11 games and the fact that the team did not land back in Philadelphia until 2 a.m. due to passing through customs and bad weather conditions both here and in Montreal, the team was given a complete day off from coming to the rink.”

Pay for a hotel room after the game Front Office cheapskates and fly in the morning. Why the fuck are professional athletes being kept up til the wee hours of the morning when they need good hours of sleep during the routine hours of a circadian rhythm? “But they want to get home whine.” Curl up with your teddy bear boys and hit the hay! In Ben Franklin’s city we can’t remember “Early to bed and early to rise…”

Anyone remember what time the plane landed after Game 5? 2 days rest my ass when you get home at dawn.

by Hans S on Dec 21, 2010 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

Meszaros Grading

2/5 Mostly b/c he was horribly out of position so many times, I couldn’t keep count.

Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Dec 21, 2010 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

But he hit somebody once or twice! ∞/5

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

That is 1 point higher than any Flyer deserved for this game probably 2.

by chrislanci on Dec 21, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t watching. haha

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

….NO. Carcillo did get in a tiny scrum and you always yell at him for fighting. Damn him being disciplined all of a sudden. He gets ragged on so much for having no discipline and when he is desciplined you go and knock it. No.

Laperriere is my hero
Carcillo's my lover
Bobrovsky's my savior
Hockeys my life

by Cillo stache on Dec 21, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

He was god awful last night, and had one decent energy shift in his roughly 7 minutes of ES ice time. I’m all for defending a player when they had a decent game or fulfilled their role on the team, but he did neither last night…pretty much like the rest of the team.

Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Dec 21, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone real God-awful last nite.

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

(Note: some of these notes below are sarcastic, and just about all of them are exaggerated. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.)

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh well.

Going into this rough 9-game stretch, we’d all have been happy to know that the Flyers would be 4-1 at the break.

And, odd as it may sound, I’d rather they have lost THIS game than any of the others.

Let-down games are fucking annoying and everything, but at least you know what’s going on. The team didn’t show up and they got beat. It’s easily correctable – just show up the next game and you’re bound to get better results.

Had the loss been to Pittsburgh, Boston, New York or Montreal, I guarantee we’d be hearing “Oh noes the Flyers aren’t for real !!!!!!! They can’t beat good teams and only beat up on bottom-feeders ?!?!?!?!?!?”

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Flyers just need to simplify their game. that’s exactly how the panteras beat us, made strong moves to the net and popped er in… we were dancing around, trying for the fancy sports center highlight. I fear to say but this could be the beginning of our annual losing streak, let’s keep it below 5 guys!

by fitzy first on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

We lost to the Ghost of Dimebag Darrell.

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

widalee widalee waahhhh

by fitzy first on Dec 21, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Mike Santorelli: The Newest Flyer-Killer?

I had a premonition before the game that he was going to score. And so he did.

He also scored back in Noviembre against the Flyers.

Ergo, he is going to score once every game against the Flyers.

May as well lump him in with someone who’s “allowed” to score on us, like David Booth.

"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.

by mikefive on Dec 21, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Game Highlights

The link on the right says “game highlights!”

I assume this is the playing of the National Anthem and the zamboni trip during intermission.

Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, Lee. We win.

by Bud in TN on Dec 21, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

Aren’t the Panthers just one of those teams we just match-up poorly with?

by j reed on Dec 21, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

“I’m sure we caught them with one foot out the door for Christmas break but we’ll take it. I’m not going to complain. Our guys came to play and got that early lead.” — Panthers’ coach Peter DeBoer after his team stunned the NHL-leading Flyers 5-0 Monday night

by NickFotiu4HOF on Dec 21, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

i was there. it was awful. what made it worst was the fan 3 seats over yelling “mike richards sucks/is the worst captain ever”.

i hate fans like that.

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by psudrozz on Dec 21, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

Holy crap. Just saw this: The only two players who finished even for the game were Nik Zherdev and Kimmo Timonen.

That’s pretty impressive.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2010 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

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