Rumors: Flyers Offered van Riemsdyk, Price Too Steep

ugh, my stomach

I would be very disappointed if they gave up on JVR.

If they did, I’d want two draft picks – including a high first-rounder – at the very least.

I don’t even want to think about this.

And answering with, trading JVR really solves almost none of their future Cap problems, and there were better ways to solve this years available to the team. If this was true, I have so little confidence in the FO to effectively manage the salary cap, that I don’t care about what his true market value would be.

So you’d trade Dom Brown to keep Kyle Kendrick.

I have less of a hatred towards 87 and the pens than i do GMPH/Flyers FO. this is getting incredibly hard to tolerate.

If it was like the Phil Kessel trade. JVR is good. Two consecutive first round picks from the Islanders would be better.

If they get rid of Cillo who’s gonna start fights? Oh wait, I know………….NOBODY!!

Flyers games will cease to entertain, which, lets face it the only reason they do now (apart from Cillo) is because we’re still riding of the high of having been one of the teams to go to the Cup.

I could see Zherdev leaving. He could just be on a roll, and its a long season still. We obviously need JVR cause he shows promise, not just streakiness .

Shelly? Has he even been playing this season?—and why all the hate on Leighton? Oh, yea, we’re still pissed about the Cup which was entirely his fault. rolls eyes

Besides, I like the fact that Cillo is missing teeth!

We all know that Holmgren can be an idiot at times, but notice the usage of the past tense in this article.

The Flyers were looking to dump salary

the inclusion of James van Riemsdyk in the list of names the Flyers were looking to move.

And, perhaps the one most important thing we’re glossing over (myself included) is this:

Tim Panaccio reported that the Toronto Maple Leafs asked about James van Riemsdyk’s availability.

What I’m taking from this:

• Other teams knew that the Flyers were trying to move salary to get Leighton back on the roster.
• No one was interested in Zherdev, for whatever reason (contract / prior reputation maybe).
• Other teams WERE interested in JVR.
• Unlike The Godfather, Homer made these teams an offer they COULD refuse. If he was going to lose JVR, he wanted to make sure he was going to replace him with a potentially high-level prospect.
• No one wanted to give up a first- and later-round pick for a first-round pick who had played in college (as opposed to juniors).
• When it became evident that Homer would not get what he wanted, he put Lappy on LTIR and went about his business.

Upon further review (in football referee voice), I don’t think we need to be concerned about this.

This is where SanFilippo and Matheson are just stirring up the pot. It’s not true journalism, they just need to fill column inches for their respective employers. I’m sure that Homer has had converstions w/ other GMs and when they ask Homer about JVR he tells them 2 1st rounders just to shut them up. They approach Homer, not the other way around. But if one of them said they can do that, then I think Homer would talk some more and make a deal.

Just dump Leighton, admit you don’t need him and he was a waste to sign for TWO years Homer.

If the farm is barren I think a first rounder and a second pick would be reasonable. Is the current class of draft canidates a good one? If it’s meh then maybe not.

The keyword here is Toxic Assets

Players like Carcillo are a dime a dozen. Remember, we traded for him to dump cash. I don’t see another team actually looking at him as a player, but rather as a salary dump. So we’re expecting another team to come to us about Carcillo, looking to dump cash by giving us a more talented player, with a salary cap that is at it’s limits. In other words, Carcillo isn’t going anywhere. Homer, don’t resign players that have no value outside of your organization.

Replace Carcillo with the name Shelley, there’s Shelley’s analysis.

Michael Leighton is a career backup that can be a spot starter here and there, but the whole league knows that the only way he can function is with a defense around him. Add on top of this his salary of 1.5 million dollars, and we have another Toxic Asset. Homer gave Leighton too much money

Boucher is an asset that actually has value. His backup status and low salary make him an attractive backup to many teams in the league. But because he has a low salary, it makes no sense to dump him.

Zherdev does have value, at the end of the year. The whole league knows that the Flyers won’t be bringing him back next year due to the salary cap, so teams are just waiting. Think of Niemi last year. The Hawks had horrible cap issues, and San Jose just waited around until Niemi became a cap casualty, and picked him up. Zherdev will follow the same fate

JVR has a low salary, so automatically it makes no sense to move him in order to manage the salary cap. The picks are the best way too go, and the Flyers need to replenish the farm system, because man do the Phantoms suck.

The players you’re looking to trade?
Carle, Coburn, Hartnell, Briere, Timonen

Seeing as you need a defense in front of whoever the goalie is, those are your options. You could also try and throw in Carcillo or Leighton, but the other team will want more in addition to Carcillo or Leighton. Essentially, you’re paying assets to the other team to take your toxic asset. You lose a lot, and gain only relief.

This sucks

Whether or not these rumors are true, you need to ask yourself what are the Flyers looking for? Are they thinking short-term or long-term? I believe after that crushing loss last year, that they are thinking short-term. Now that doesn’t surprise me for a franchise located in Philadelphia because this town expects a championship every year. The Flyers organization is no exception. From the top-down, the expectations are extremely high and there are some players who avoid this city because of it (I recall reading that Joni Pikanen complained how much pressure there was playing in Philly). My long drawn-out point is that I don’t believe the Flyers have patience to develop JVR and it would not surprise me nor would it bother me if he was jettisoned. I think a player like Giroux for example is more naturally gifted and has developed faster than JVR. Look fellas, this isn’t Columbus or Phoenix…the time-table here is much shorter, especially when victory was so close, we could have tasted it.

I believe after that crushing loss last year, that they are thinking short-term.

My long drawn-out point is that I don’t believe the Flyers have patience to develop JVR and it would not surprise me nor would it bother me if he was jettisoned. I think a player like Giroux for example is more naturally gifted and has developed faster than JVR. Look fellas, this isn’t Columbus or Phoenix…the time-table here is much shorter, especially when victory was so close, we could have tasted it.

Then how does trading JVR help with the Flyers short term needs. You are saying you the Flyers are looking at the short term, and aren’t patient to wait for JVR. My question to you is how in the world does trading JVR fall in line with the Flyers thinking short term? You are trading a top 9 forward future prospects in what you are saying (since at first I assumed that when you said Flyers think short term, and could jettison JVR, I assumed you meant for a short term return), that addressed long term needs, not short term goals.
s long term.

Don’t pay any attention to trade rumors coming from Canada.

This is easy rumor to come up with same as the easy rumor that the Phillies are trying to move Blanton. We have a glutton of talent and not cap room. These players have all been healthy scratches so of course they are shopping around. If anything I hope these stories light a fire under these guys because you don’t want to be the player who was traded at the deadline and missed out on getting your name on the cup.

Where does this leave Powe? Another guy who seriously needs to be resigned right now. Another? O’Donnel. Which is more important?

Think of it this way, would you rather have a team without Ville and Powe, or just JvR/others being shopped? If dropping someones salary is the way it has to go, pick the one that will effect you on the scoreboard the least. I’m not saying we should get rid of JvR or that he sucks or to get rid of anybody (except Walker and Leighton and Shelly) but if it is deemed nessicary, at least use common sense. Trading JvR would not be the end of the world, he still needs to grow as a player so let him try elsewhere and have him come back.

Honestly, what the hell were they thinking by signing too many forwards? If Lappy could play, there would be yet another person getting scratched each night. There is one too many players on this team, soon to be two if Walker comes back. Another thing, there is also to many goalies. There are 2 in ADK but 3 here, if Leighton hadn’t got hurt or Bob discovered, there would be 3 ADK goalies, 2 regular.

AGHH

Just ’cuz I like that word.

Geoff I get the feeling that you think we’re not bashing management enough about this. But I am inclined to agree with mikefive in saying that there’s no way we’ve got the full picture.

See we bash management if the full picture is: “we need to get Leighton back, we need roughly 1 and a half million in cap space, who’s got that, JVR, let’s try move JVR”

That’s so incredibly inane it’s not true. OK as much as we bash Homer, he’s not that stupid.

So you move on to the more likely option: none of the sources know the full story. This may or may not be something to worry about, but in all likelihood Homer thought he’d check what the market’s like for JVR, maybe made a couple of calls seeing whether teams were ready to give him a Kessel trade, but didn’t actually go around sending a bulk email asking for what people would give him for JVR. I like ASF but just because he says something doesn’t mean that’s 100% correct all the time.

Dont get me wrong people I love JVR, I think he has tons of upside and potential, hell I even own a St Pattys day jersey with his name on the back. Having said that if homer could have pulled off a trade for JVR and got up into the upper part of the first round (which I assume is exactly what homer was doing since he didnt find a willing partner) and then also got possibly a 2nd or 3rd rounder too, well then Im sorry but the value is there guys. The draft class this year is very good through the top 10. On top of that JVR was struggling at the beginning of the year, so, not only would this be potentially a way to improve the team with yet another group of younger players but it would also serve as a wake up call to James. And would you look at now how the kid turned it on in the second half of the year? Hes arguably been our best player outside of Mr. Briere. FANTASTIC JOB HOMER. Now lock him and giroux up for the rest of my life HAHA!