Wednesday Morning Fly By: Devils Game Day; Ray Emery/Marty Turco/Kari Lehtonen
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 11:07 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, including your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Last night's NHL scores... NYI 4 - NAS 3 (SO); BOS 3 - BUF 2 (SO); CAR 4 - FLA 1; OTT 3 - CAL 2; TB 3 - VAN 1; STL 4 - DET 3 (SO); CHI 4 - DAL 3 (SO)
- The Flyers are now tied for the 8th and final playoff spot in the East.
- BSH recorded our weekly radio show last night. Look for Travis to put it up later this morning. Anthony SanFilippo was our guest, which means it is obviously worth listening to.
- Jacob De Serres stopped 18 of 20 shots in a 6-2 Brandon victory last night. [Luber's Lounge]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 28 of 29 shots last night in a 6-1 win. He was named player of the game and called "outstanding." [euroflyers] [euroflyers]
- Biggest news of the day was the Flyers goaltending situation. Ray Emery's injury received lots of press despite not having many answers. [Frequent Flyers]
- SanFilippo's take: "[Holmgren] admitted that Emery’s hip problems were chronic, but that the organization didn’t feel there was much to worry about and everyone was confident Emery would be back on the ice lickety-split." [DelcoTimes]
- Seravalli: "But Emery's absence from the practice rink yesterday at the Skate Zone in Voorhees, less than 24 hours after Holmgren said Emery planned to "push it hard" in anticipation of tonight's game at the Devils, probably said all that Flyers fans needed to know." [Daily News]
- You may have heard that Atlanta traded Kari Lehtonen to Dallas last night. [Puck Daddy] [Hockey or Die]
- Which naturally led to speculation that the Flyers are interested in Turco. [BSH] [Frequent Flyers]
- But there were already stories showing confidence in Michael Leighton written earlier in the day: [Inquirer] [CSNPhilly]
- Everyone knows Lehtonen has potential. But you'll be surprised how well he has played (when healthy) already. [Brodeur is a Fraud]
- Some Olympic talk: Jeff Carter was rumored to be the front-runner to replace Ryan Getzlaf on Team Canada [Hockey or Die] until Getzlaf's injury was found to be minor. [John Boruk]
- Jonathan Quick's Olympic mask: [LA Times]
- From Versus: "At this time, we are not optimistic that an agreement will be in place with DirecTV in time for the start of the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs." [Puck Daddy]
- Who could be traded by Atlanta next? Colby Armstrong: [Kevin Allen]
- Fantastic look at draft picks and the NHL. [From The Rink]
- And a good statistical look at the top 30 scorers at home and on the road. [Hockey or Die]
- Completely non-hockey related: The city of New Orleans showed Drew Brees a lot of love. [Deadspin]
- Lastly, a pretty damning indictment of the Adirondack Phantoms/Coach Gilbert: "Players don't care much about systems here. Everyone is more selfish." [Mika] Pyörälä about the game in AHL. "Still more fun when you get to play" [euroflyers]
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Can anyone find an NHL policy on weather decisions?
The NBA policy is that if both teams are there, the game gets played. We know the Flyers and Devils are both in Newark already, not sure if the NHL is any more fan friendly.
To be honest, and I’m pretty vehemently in the corner of fans in regards to these sorts of things, this game really shouldn’t be cancelled. We’ve discussed before that the Flyers have basically no time off after the Olympics, so if they don’t play tonight I have no idea how they could get the game in.
But they should also allow ticketholders to trade in tonight’s tickets for some other game.
I remember when the Flyers hosted the Rangers a day or two after the storm in late December, they let people who weren’t able to make it trade in their tickets for a future game. Don’t know if that’s a team-by-team policy or a league policy though.
by Ben Feldman on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
It may depend on whether tickets for future games are available for trade, which may not be too much of a problem with the Devils. I’d expect it to be a team policy.
However, if NJ calls a state of emergency that includes a travel ban for those counties, they may have no choice but to cancel the game if non-emergency vehicles aren’t allowed on the road at all.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I said a state of emergency that includes a travel ban, it’s a separate declaration.
Camden county issued one today, so did Delaware. But PA just imposed speed restrictions.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I was emailed Seravalli about the weather and he said the league policy is generally that they wouldn’t cancel as long as both teams and the refs could get to the arena.
yup, i think i read that somewhere yesterday…if the refs and players are there, it’s game on
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Seravalli just tweeted that this could challenge Jersey’s record low attendance… I’m not saying they will cancel the game, I’m just adding it for reference since he’s there and we’re down here
It is a complete white-out here in NJ. This game could threaten the low attendance of 334 fans in NJ from 15 inches of snow on 1/22/87.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a joke in there somewhere about the NJD and their usual attendance, but I’ll let someone with a full snark tank come up with it. I’m running low.
It will totally suck if this game is played tonight in front of 2 vendors and a couple of drunks pulled off of the street.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
funny, this would rival the hockeyoutsider story about the Devils holding their Stanley Cup championship parade/celebration in a parking lot.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 10, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
But would their fans really want to line up on the streets of Newark to watch a parade?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is that Mike Richards in that photo? Why?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
It’s disturbing that he is standing next to the Geico Caveman, but even more disturbing to me is that he is wearing an Atlanta Braves hat. Why, Mike, why?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Have you seen “Eastbound and Down”?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Guys, get off Richie’s ass. Its obviously a costume party. He’s not holding a drink, and the braves gear is because he is Kenny Powers. That is an epic picture. Not as great as Rex Ryan though!
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 10, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, I’ve never watched “Eastbound and Down,” and how was I supposed to know it’s a costume party? Have you seen what these guys wear on a daily basis? Anything is possible with those godforsaken Affliction and Ed Hardy POS’s they wear.
Now that I know, it’s funny, but taken out of context, the picture is really weird/funny.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
haha, those Ed Hardy tees are awful.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
FROM AN INSIDE SOURCE
THE CAVE MAN IS RAY EMERY!!!!
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, that is definatly Carcillo. The other caveman was Emery.
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 10, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Travis sent that to me last night with a request that it be the picture in the Fly By. As soon as I saw it, it had to go up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Where did Travis even find that? Hilarious!
by Mitchell Green on Feb 10, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have any idea who it is that’s dressed as the Geico caveman? I didn’t see it noted anywhere. My first instinct was that it might be Carcillo and this was probably taken around Halloween, but I could be way off (I usually am, I’m one of those people that rarely recognizes people, so it’s surprising that I even have a guess).
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like Carcillo, yeah.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
It was Emery at the Flyers Halloween party. How great is that!
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
uhhh, Fail. It’s Carcillo. Look at the mustache.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the knuckels. Carcillos would be busted up. I know somoene who was there, todl me Ray spent lotta Green to get that costume done.
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
dude, look at ray’s hands, don’t mean to be racist, but come on…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s racist when you’re merely stating that a guy has black hands…
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Honest mistake, i didn’t really look at the pic that well, I know emery was a caveman also. That one is Danny
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 10, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I liked SanFilippo’s crack about reading Emery’s MRI being akin to reading hieroglyphics; I may not always agree with him, but I respect his willingness to say what’s on his mind.
That Pyorala quote scares me a lot. I went searching for context, but I couldn’t find anything at all. Without context, I take as an indictment of both the coach and the players; where the coach isn’t getting through but also that the players don’t care enough to learn.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions
I also wonder what kind of effects this has on the Flyers’ organization as a whole. It’s upsetting, to say the least. These are guys that are trying to make it to the highest level of their sport, and they aren’t emphasizing fundamentals and systems—all things that would benefit them in their craft and ability to stay in the bigs should they ever get the opportunity to play there.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Exactly, if they aren’t willing to work for it at the AHL level, how can we expect them to suddenly be willing once they get to the NHL? And if the coaches can’t motivate them to work for it, we’re not going to have anybody to call up who we can expect to give effort when they get here. That’s the last thing this team needs is more players who lack the drive to put effort into the game, even if they’re just temporary call ups.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Fortunately, there’s basically only three guys in the AHL who have any prospect of an NHL future, so whatever.
Again, we disagree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
But if this is an organizational problem, it could affect every prospect that comes through our AHL system for the next few years or more, including ones we may pick up in trades despite our lack of draft picks. I don’t think it’s that easy to dismiss it if it’s a warning sign of things to come.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, okay. Sometimes it’s tough to tell, but that can apply to everybody.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
AHL Question.
Is there anything stopping the Phantoms from moving to Albany now that the River Rats are officially leaving? It would be a pretty awesome decision.
To get from Philly to Glens Falls is about a 30 minute plane ride to albany and an hour drive north. Moving to albany makes the team much more accessible. And its a much bigger town.
There’d probably be no point in that, since they’re moving back to Allentown in a few years’ time.
by Ben Feldman on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand where that speculation is coming from, but I’ve never heard anything other than rumors. As recently as a year ago, the Spectacor was working in Gloucester, NJ to get permits to build an arena/mall for the Phantoms.
The new owners want Allentown I think, and the PA budget this year may have had a provision allowing Allentown to institute a local tax to raise funds for the arena. I’m going to go look for that article…
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Though [Allentown Mayor] Pawlowski said he hadn’t seen the language, he said he had been told by Lehigh Valley lawmakers that the budget deal allows creation of a financing plan that will fund an $80 million hockey arena and massive riverside development.
The arena would be the home of the Phantoms, an affiliate of the Philadelphia Flyers that plays in the American Hockey League.
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Pawlowski said the budget is said to allow for legislation to create an Allentown tax-increment financing zone. All sales taxes within the zone would go toward the redevelopment efforts, he said.
From what I understand from other sources, the budget passed with that provision included.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no written plans on when construction is going to start. We continue to work on things down there but things aren’t moving as fast – you know how things are – it’s steady moving forward, but we’re not at a point to start yet.
by Ben Feldman on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a board which links to the flurry of articles about moving the Phantoms to South Jersey
http://www.phillysportsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829
But aren’t all those articles from before Spectacor made the final decision to sell the team to different owners? I mean I remember the scuttlebutt about the potential arena in Cherry Hill because I drive past where they were talking about putting it, but I remember those rumors stopping once that Pittsburgh group owned the team.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
There were plans for an arena in Bellmawr too, right along 42 where they’re in the middle of building a big shopping complex.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
The Daily News reported the sale agreement in February of ‘09, those articles are from Fall of ’08.
Phantoms’ sale likely means a move out of the area – and a blow to the Flyers
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, the sale was on February 4.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/2/4/749485/phantoms-sold-to-pittsburg
It wasn’t sure where they were heading when they were sold, but I listed the possibilities in the post above and muchh more detailed in this post two days later:
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/2/6/751332/where-will-the-phantoms-la
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
That would be horrible for the hockey fans in Glens Falls. The Times Union Center (Albany’s arena) is not much of a place to watch hockey. The arena sits 15,000+ and you know they’ll never come close to filling that up, usually the entire upper tier is blocked off..so the place seems so quiet, especially compared to the cozy Glens Falls Civic Center (which seats a little over 5,000).
The hockey fans in Glens Falls are very committed..and you would lose a lot of fans in the North Country/Vermont that wouldn’t want to travel an hour+ to watch them when they were right in their own back yard.
But you would
1) Get all the Albany fans
2) Much more importantly, get the team closer to civilization so its not so difficult to call players up.
Forgive me if I’m interpreting the charts incorrectly..
But according to this, Adirondack currently has better attendance than Albany (4,278 / game for Adirondack, 3,517 / game for Albany).
This is a good idea how?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
1) Because I don’t care about the attendance. I care about the AHL team being more accessible to the Flyers.
2) Glens Falls and Albany are about an hour apart. If the team moves to Albany, the Glens Falls fans carry over and they’ll be averaging probably 6,000 a night. The Glens Falls venue only holds 5,000.
But the fans won’t all carry over. It’s far easier to get some of Albany’s fans to drive an hour north than to get people from Vermont to drive 2 hours instead of 1.
And attendance is what will help them not lose so much money. It’s quite possible that Albany is going to charge them a higher rent than Glens Falls, for one thing, and they already paid for the arena renovations in Glens Falls, why should they have to renovate another one?
When Albany plays Adirondack in Glens Falls, the last game’s attendance was 5,300 people. The last time Adirondack played the River Rats in Albany, attendance was 3,297. To me, that’s a sign that maybe some Albany fans would drive up, but that the Adirondack fans would not drive down. That conclusion is not a guarantee, but rather a distinct possibility.
According to travelmath.com, a flight from Albany to Philly takes roughly 24 minutes, plus the hour drive from Glens Falls. If our AHL team was still in Hershey, it would seem more accessible, but that’s just under a 2 hour drive depending on traffic. So it’s a relatively fair comparison; since there’s lag time between bus and flight coming from Adirondack, but potential for a crippling traffic jam on the Schuylkill or Turnpike coming from Hershey.
I don’t think it does the franchise any favors to uproot it and get less attendance. Playing in a big arena that looks empty is disheartening anyway, it’s much better for morale to play in a smaller arena that looks full. The crowd of less than 1,500 for the Phantoms playoff games at the Spectrum last year was embarassing, I know, I was there.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
But the fans won’t all carry over.
Which is why I said the combined average of 7,700 people would result in about 6,000 people for the one team.
they already paid for the arena renovations in Glens Falls, why should they have to renovate another one?
Why would they have to renovate the arena in Albany where the River Rats have been playing for 15 years?
re: Hershey vs Adirondack.
You can travel from hershey to philly in two hours whenever you want. To travel from Adirondack you first have to drive an hour (half the time from hershey) then get to the airport early and check in all your equipment, try to board the first available commercial flight (maybe half a dozen a day) to Philly, etc. It takes WAY longer and is much more complicated than just driving down for two hours.
I don’t think it does the franchise any favors to uproot it and get less attendance.
Who the fuck cares about the franchise. I care about whats best for the Flyers. And the best thing for the Flyers is to get their players closer. If the franchise doesn’t want to accomodate the Flyers, then the Flyers need to find an AHL affiliate who will.
Which is why I said the combined average of 7,700 people would result in about 6,000 people for the one team.
I don’t think that’s what’s going to happen though. People aren’t going to travel between the two cities, or anywhere in between. At least not on a regular basis. They didn’t when the only team up there was in Glens Falls, they didn’t when the only team up there was in Albany, and they won’t in the future.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I understand. My general thought is just that there’s a circle around Glens Falls and one around Albany, and where they overlap would continue to see Albany.
But if there are really 4,000 people who will only attend games in Glens Falls, thats fine. Its really not the important part.
They overlap in only one semi-major area, Saratoga springs. That hour of separation distance is not densely populated the way we’re used to around here.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Who the fuck cares about the franchise. I care about whats best for the Flyers. And the best thing for the Flyers is to get their players closer. If the franchise doesn’t want to accomodate the Flyers, then the Flyers need to find an AHL affiliate who will.
Spectacor doesn’t have full ownership of the team anymore, they can’t just write off however much money the franchise loses. You can’t sacrifice their chances of staying close to break even. And it’s hard to bitch about Albany when you have teams like San Jose who have their AHL affiliate on the opposite side of the country.
Why would they have to renovate the arena in Albany where the River Rats have been playing for 15 years?
Because you can’t play in an arena that doesn’t have any signs containing your logo or that is painted in the previous team’s colors. There is still work that has to be done.
You can travel from hershey to philly in two hours whenever you want.
I call BS if you think that traffic jams that cause delay that last hours never happen. I’ve hit plenty of them.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I mean bitch about the flight from Albany airport, not the city itself.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Spectacor doesn’t have full ownership of the team anymore, they can’t just write off however much money the franchise loses. You can’t sacrifice their chances of staying close to break even.
You can, and its super easy: “If you want the Flyers’ players, move to Albany. If you don’t, we’ll find a new affiliate.”
Because you can’t play in an arena that doesn’t have any signs containing your logo or that is painted in the previous team’s colors. There is still work that has to be done.
Painting is not renovating. It costs a few hundred dollars? Whatever.
I call BS if you think that traffic jams that cause delay that last hours never happen. I’ve hit plenty of them.
This is just a dumb argument. If you want to discuss the likelihood of traffic jams, then go ahead and factor in flight cancellations and all that. No matter how you cut it, its a hell of a lot easier to get from Hershey to Philly than Glens Falls to Philly. Or even Albany to Philly.
You can, and its super easy: "If you want the Flyers’ players, move to Albany. If you don’t, we’ll find a new affiliate."
Right, because this is the way we want to go when this affiliate is planning to move to Allentown anyway! Upstate NY is a short term solution anyway, why are you insisting on making it harder for them to break even while they’re there?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and by the way, back to this average…
Which is why I said the combined average of 7,700 people would result in about 6,000 people for the one team.
The Phantoms averaged less than 6,500 fans last year in Philly, and that’s when tickets were only $10 due to a promotion for the entire second half of the season. You’re not getting 6k in Albany.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
There are also a lot more people in Philadelphia than Albany.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
And tickets in Albany aren’t $10. And there’s no existing connection to the Flyers, they’re probably Canes fans.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
If the team moves to Albany, the Glens Falls fans carry over
I don’t see why they would. Albany and Adirondack are rivals. Plus, Glens Falls has no affinity to the Flyers, so why would they carry over? They’d just be without a team once again.
I could look it up, but it should be easy to find how Albany did when Glens Falls didn’t have a team.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
No better than now, the average attendance is nearly identical to last year.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
And this is the fanbase we don’t want to offend? People who apparently wander to a hockey game only because there’s absolutely nothing else to do?
If the people from Glens Falls were not attending games in Albany before the Phantoms were there, why would they start now? Some people will feel betrayed that we moved after they were told we would be there another year already, it’s just not going to pick up the average of the two teams.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Again, thats fine. If they’d like to come see the team in Albany, awesome. If not, enjoy your boring ass town while the Phantoms move to something that moderately resembles a city.
But you’re expecting an apathetic fan base that didn’t support the team in Albany very well to outweigh a growing one in Glens Falls. It’s not like you’ll get every single one of those River Rats fans anyway even if you move to Albany.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
1) I really don’t give a shit how many fans show up. If no one shows up, thats fine by me, too.
2) Don’t act like anyone ever cared about Glens Falls. From the outset, this was a couple years and then get the team back to freaking civilization again. Unfortunately, its getting to be longer and longer and the Flyers need to put their foot down. It was one thing when it was going to be a year or two of complications with the AHL kids, now its getting to be an unacceptable length of time.
Not that I’m taking any personal offense to your comments MarioD, but what is your problem with the organization in Glens Falls? So far, we’ve been doing great with attendance (at least compared to Albany). The local media in Albany doesn’t care at all about the team, and there is really no benefit by bringing them to Albany beyond an hour shorter drive? That seems pretty minute to me. Glens Falls is a great hockey town that has a rich hockey heritage.
One last thing is that we just got this team this year..so there isn’t really a special connection to the team yet. That being said, there aren’t going to be that many fans that will travel an hour south to watch hockey (they didn’t do it when it was the Rats and I don’t see why they would do it now.)
I have no problem with the organization itself.
But the Flyers need to do whats best for them. And whats best for them is to get a team closer. I never thought going to Glens Falls was a good idea, and given comments made from the organization over the last decade, they certainly couldn’t have been pleased, either. But it was only supposed to be for a couple years.
Now, 2012 is being bandied about as the timeline for when they return to Philly, and that shouldn’t be acceptable to the Flyers.
If the Flyers were going to nitpick about what isn’t acceptable because it takes time to build arenas and get permits and zoning etc for Allentown, they shouldn’t have sold the team to a different company. They should have kept it and pursued moving the team to a closer location themselves. They made a conscious decision to relinquish some of the control, and if you try to force the AHL team owned by different people into doing something that will cause them to run into to red more than necessary, you don’t have the best interests of either the Phantoms or the Flyers in mind.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 10, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
It’s quite simple. The Flyers need an affiliate closer. This ain’t working.
The Flyers should have their own best interest in mind. If the Phantoms ownership is forced to sell or fold or whatever, then the Flyers can find a new AHL affiliate without a problem.
The Flyers have 100% of the leverage, its time to use it.
It’s quite simple. The Flyers need an affiliate closer. This ain’t working.
How is this not working? And how do they “need” an affiliate closer? A ton of teams have affiliates that aren’t close.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
See the other thread where Luuko says within 200 miles is acceptable. (Glens Falls is 280 miles away).
And its not working because they have to keep carrying extra players on the roster due to the distance of the AHL team.
Meaning Riley Cote and Ole-Kristian Tollefsen? Two guys with one-way deals? Or the guys who are hurt and can’t play?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn’t the case for years when Albany had a team and Glens Falls didn’t. I don’t think there’s much of a carry over there.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Geoff, remember a couple weeks ago when I said that you need first round draft picks to get good NHL players?
Did you see that in the Fly By? Cause it’s there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
And this 11 year analysis conducted a couple years ago into the rate by round of producing in the NHL (160gp for skaters, 100gp for goalies).
1st round: 59%
2nd round: 24.5%
3rd round: 19%
What’s your point?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
That the Flyers are going to have be incredibly lucky to beat those odds and get NHL talent without three years worth of 1st round picks.
Oh, well that I agree with 100%.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see this stretched out further – it gives the appearance of significant flattening through those first few rounds. It’s not enough data points for a true curve to be generated; the 7th round could be anywhere from 5% to 15%.
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I think that Jonathon Quick’s and Tim Thomas’s mask are really ugly. Not to mention, they are pretty boring and unoriginal. I understand all the symbols and colors but I would have hoped for something a little more creative and different. Ryan Miller’s is a little better I guess. Pretty disappointing overall though.
Also, take a took at the jerseys Team USA will be wearing for the Olympics. Sporting an obvious retro look to the new jerseys, the new Team USA jerseys no longer have the "red-and-white “flag” on the “S” from the logo." Actually, this is because the IOC (International Olympic Committee) made them change because the IOC forbids countries from “displaying their logos on uniforms at the Olympics,” a rule that has been ignored in the past but was enforced at the Summer Olympics in Beijing. Team Canada might also have to do away with their trademark logo showing a hockey player inside a Maple Leaf, which they are not too happy about.
Anyway, I never liked the "red-and-white “flag” on the “S” from the old Team USA jerseys so I am glad to see them go. I like the simplicity of these new jerseys. They are a little boring but whatever. However, I really like the third jersey with the USA letters going diagonally across the sweater’s chest. Obviously, they intended to be reminiscent of the jersey’s Team USA wore for the Miracle on Ice at the 1980 Lake Placid Winter Olympics.
I played for the Valley Forge Colonels and just after the 1980 Olympics our jerseys were designed just USA ones. Olympic shoulder patch and all. Obviously they had VFC instead of USA, but I thought they were the coolest things on earth. Im glad they are heading back in that direction
by Prometheus74 on Feb 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I remember those jerseys I was playing for Haverford Hawks at the time but moved to Colonials in 82. The DVHL was so different in those days there were like 7 teams/rinks around in those days and we played each other like 6 time a piece. Led to some interesting tension. Especially in Bristol and the Coliseum.
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