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Paul Holmgren says the Flyers will shut down Ray Emery for three weeks to strengthen the area in his injured hip.

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So… basically the olympic break and the three-game road trip after? Looking at 7 March return against Toronto, maybe?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 11, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

so…..no trade clause, right?

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by psudrozz on Feb 11, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

…before he undergoes season ending surgery.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

We can only hope. If Emery’s career is over, that might be enough to discourage Holmgren from signing him to a long term deal.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, it’s just takes the NMC/NTC off of the table.

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by doubleh on Feb 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Should have resigned Niddermakker

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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

He’ll be a UFA this summer again.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

sign him up. Although, he’ll probably want $4mm per or something ridiculous like that.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 11, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll see what the market bears…

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be shocked if TB let him get to that point. He’s the reason they’re in the playoffs right now. At least one of them.

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by Travis Hughes on Feb 11, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why they rushed Razor back from injury to begin with. He played well but they rode him into the ground and he clearly wasn’t ready for that kind of work load. I feel like this is constantly happening with Flyers players.

by Mitchell Green on Feb 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

They never rushed him back. He was cleared to play and was backup for like three games. By the time he started, it was several games after the November estimates for his recovery time.

And, the previous injury and this injury are pretty unrelated. Abdominal tear and hip pointer don’t have much in common as far as causes go.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it actually a hip pointer? Last I heard they were still trying to figure out what the MRI said.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 11, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Seravalli says possibly a torn labrum. I thought I heard earlier in the week it was a hip pointer but they MRI problem was in determining the severity?

Not sure.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, my gripe is more with the fact that once he returned he played 8 games straight. Now, I know that you are saying that this current injury is unrelated to the old one, but even so, was it wise to rush him into playing 8 games right after being on the shelf for over a month? Maybe I am wrong, but I would make an argument that riding him for 8 straight after getting back from injury may have contributed to the alleged torn labrum. Maybe I am wrong and it would have happened either way, but I feel like the Flyers don’t do a great job of monitoring their players after getting back from injury.

by Mitchell Green on Feb 11, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Goes back to what Geoff, myself and several others said before, why did he only play a 1 game conditioning stint in Adirondack and face 14 measly shots? What was the harm in continuing that assignment a little longer, in a situation where he didn’t have to play the whole game every night and he could have been eased back? And I am 100% with you that the Flyers don’t do a good job of keeping tabs on them after injuries, and I also think they get cleared to play too early.

by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 11, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah ha, that is a great point. Emery’s reconditioning assignment with the Phantoms was a joke. 1 game facing 14 shots hardly provided conclusive evidence that Emery was ready to get back to the Flyers, let alone play 8 straight games. What is the hurt in spreading the wealth. All three goalies have shown their consistency all season. Why not give Leighton and Boosh starts (especially Boosh, considering he hasn’t gotten to play in ages) while working Emery in here and there so as to get him back into the swing of things and help him readjust after being injured. I admit that there may be things we don’t know about about that effect management’s decisions but, I swear, I didn’t think this kind of stuff was rocket science.

by Mitchell Green on Feb 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necesssarily…both are essentialy chronic overuse pelvic injuries. The pelvis esp. in hockey is subject to more stress than any other area of a body and often overuse injuries in those that area are interconnected. Unfortunately, medicine has yet to apply more Bayesian statistical analysis to deal more heuristically with multiple variable stituations. Most of their diagnostic methods work best with acute conditions like an torn ACL and it is a reason why lower back surgeries have such high failure rates…usually the underlying condition or weakness isn’t addressed. The surgery fixes the symptom. Also injuries like a sportsman hernia usually develop over time before muscle tearing and the subsquent weakening of the abdominal musculature is compensated for and protected by the adaptive shortening of other muscles which when over tensed long enough fatigue more quickly esp. when subjected to dynamic athletic loads. Once the muscle fatigues the strain on connective tissue (tendons and liagments) increases. Also the hip flexor or (psoas ) muscle is one of the largest and strongest and from its attachments on the femur travels up the thigh and under the abdominal muscles where it attaches to the lumbar spine.

by j reed on Feb 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason medicine deals best with acute situations is because it tends to treat everything as quickly as possible. Most of the time, there’s not really a patient-practitioner relationship that lends itself to the doctor recognizing that an injury is recurring and chronic. Identifying and correcting such an underlying problem (like body mechanics or posture) takes a longer diagnostic period, which is discouraged by pay-per-volume medical reimbursement.

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by The Dark on Feb 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Why don’t they just let Emery go after this year? Personally, I would rather they resign Leighton, he will still be cheap, and if they can find a better starting option, with the imaginary cap space that they won’t have, then they can sign that guy and make Leighton the backup.

Of course, now i wonder what they will do with Bouch since he has a two year contract. I guess they have no plans to trade him with Emery being a constant injury issue.

by EREX21 on Feb 11, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

I like Leighton a lot and think we can ride him as long as we can but I have no gut feeling that he would not be able be a confirmed starting netminder for a full season
Same time I have no for the idea of having Emery start for us next season.
I hope we wait and let things happen for now

by Prometheus74 on Feb 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kidding before about season ending surgery, but Carchidi says basically the same as my joke.

Emery has an injured left hip that is almost definitely is going to need surgery; the Flyers are hoping three weeks of rest enables him to return to action and have surgery after ther season.

Sounds like he needs surgery which will end his season, so they’re just going to see if rest helps because they have nothing to lose.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

I really wonder if this is making Homer reconsider that extension. Something tells me it isn’t.

by EREX21 on Feb 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can get him on the cheap…… As in like 2 mil a year. I might not hate the move, simply because that is very cheap for a goalie. I dunno I kinda wanna go with youth in goal, Backlund and Eriksson should get MAJOR looks in camp.

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Feb 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We could get Leighton for cheaper than 2Mil a year and he actually, so far has been deserving of an extension.

by EREX21 on Feb 11, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You want to give Ray Emery a 33% RAISE for his performance this season?

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

what mario said.

this team has cap problems already. we don’t have to sign him at 2 mil/per.

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by psudrozz on Feb 11, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I said I wouldn’t hate it. Just really really dislike it. Anything more and I would jump off a freaking bridge, I want Eriksson and Backlund to be given a chance and keep Boucher for a transitional year.

Mario, we both know that what I just outlined isn’t going to happen, so I just have to hope for the least worse…

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Feb 11, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Backlund is older than Emery, and Eriksson will need a year to adjust to the NA game/rinks.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 11, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but he is still only 28. And at goalie that is not really old.

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Feb 11, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Homer kept comparing him to Backstrom in that he’s a “late bloomer.” And he’s doing pretty damn well in front of a terrible Phantoms team. I honestly wish that they had given him at least a game or two back in December, but I guess with all of this there’ll still be plenty of time.

by Ben Feldman on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So, the reason that the Flyers brought Emery back from Russia was because they felt he had the capability to be a starting goalie but more so, with his playoff experience and taking OTT to the finals, that he would be able to be a good playoff goalie on which the Flyers could rely on to back stop them through the Playoffs. Basically, with his new injury and need for surgery, they will be unable to see if Emery still has that capability. Meaning that their little Emery experiment is useless.

If the Flyers do sign Emery for next year, he still has yet to really prove anything. That would be a bargaining chip for management when resigning him. He obviously doesn’t deserve a raise. They would have to give him the same money at most.

by Mitchell Green on Feb 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They have to make this decision darn quick, though. I mean, it comes down to making a move for a goalie or believing that Leighton or Boucher can get you through the playoffs.

I’d be on the make a move side, even if Leighton and Boosh have been more than fine this season. Think about it, taking into account the Olympic break , there’s less than a week before the trade deadline.

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by Travis Hughes on Feb 11, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Leighton is playing strong but can we really rely on him in crunch time. I am still not sold on him. I am really puzzled why everyone is being so hard on Emery is record is 16-11-1 with 3 shutouts 2.64 GAA and 0.905 SV PCT.

Biron was 59-39-14 in his two years here with average 2.69 GAA and 0.917 sv pct. 7 SO
Nitty was 27-17-8 over that same two year period with a 2.83 GAA and 0.909 sv pct 2 SO

At even strength I am guessing Emery’s number are better than both Biron and Nitty being that our PK was ranked in the top 10 both those years and this year we in the bottom 3rd of the league.

Looking at the numbers Emery has been good and was really good prior to injury I am not sure why everybody wants to go with the unproven guys. Leighton has been stellar to everyone’s surprise for sure but I am worried he won’t be able to keep it up for too long and he has let in some softies of the last few games. I am hoping he can keep it up I like his size and positioning but come playoff time I don’t fell comfortable resting hopes on an unproven performer, I didn’t feel good about Biron either going into the post season but that worked out so maybe Leighton will too.

by chrislanci on Feb 11, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am really puzzled why everyone is being so hard on Emery

And then you answered your own question quite convincingly:

Biron: .917 S%
Nitty: .909 S%
Emery: .905 S%

by MarioD on Feb 12, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

At even strength I am guessing Emery’s number are better than both Biron and Nitty being that our PK was ranked in the top 10 both those years and this year we in the bottom 3rd of the league.

Even-Strength Save Percentage:

09-10
Emery: .930
Leighton: .922
Boucher: .923

08-09
Biron: .918
Niittymaki: .927

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 12, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, thats a great stat. I’d love to see his numbers if u take out the five game losing streak.

by orangeandblack20 on Feb 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

off topic but when do we see our new winger?

by j reed on Feb 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

When one of our current wingers get’s hurt. Not that I want that to happen.

by EREX21 on Feb 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

isn’t hartnell a winger?

by j reed on Feb 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no room. Peter Laviolette dare not mess with the juggernaut that managed 15 shots on goal last night.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think those numbers are off, and I’m pretty sure somebody else (Travis?) said so in the game thread last night. Gagne should have had two shots on goal in OT just on the shift he scored the GWG, one which went into the corner and he chased it to set up the wrister on which he scored. Those shouldn’t be the only shots from the whole OT period, and I refuse to believe we only had one shot in the third.

I’m not commenting either way on the case for the new winger, I’m just saying I refuse to believe the 15 SOG number.

by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 11, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I had no problem with it. The got dominated in that third period.

by MarioD on Feb 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean the 10+ minutes 5 on 5 NJ PP

by j reed on Feb 11, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing that we got dominated, we did, but I just don’t think it was "one shot in the whole period "dominated, that’s all. I’m not trying to say we had 40 shots, I just think 15 was overly stingy.

by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, i couldn’t care less. They could have had 3 shots all game and if they won 3-2, I’d have been overjoyed. Beating NJ just seems to be so much better than beating any other team, outside of the Penguins. Beating NJ twice in 3 days after being down 2-0 in both games is even more fantastical.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 11, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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