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Flyers Trade Discussion on Roster Freeze Day

Today might be like a mini version of trade deadline day. With the Olympics freezing rosters at 3 PM Eastern today, teams are going to try to get ahead of the curve and move some players before that deadline. We've seen one move this morning as Carolina sent Matt Cullen to Ottawa and we will no doubt see more.

We don't do this often, but on a day when so many trades are likely to go down, we might as well discuss some of the possible options out there. After the jump, some of the things that are bouncing around reputable spots on the web. That's not you, Eklund.

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The most intersting news this morning is that the Flyers are reportedly interested in Islanders goaltender Dwayne Roloson. The rumor comes from a reputable source, a man who used to work in the Islanders media relations department who now covers the team independently and with AOL FanHouse.

Here's Chris Botta from NYI Point Blank:

Among the teams considering deals for Roloson…

Philadelphia, Ottawa, Washington, Chicago, Colorado

Would that be a smart move for the Flyers? Well, he's only being paid 2.5 million for one more year and while he's 40 years old, it's still a nice number and he's certainly proven that he can handle himself in the net. As Botta puts it in that same article, he's 'at this date the player most responsible for the Islanders being on the cusp of the playoff picture.'

I'm not sure what the Isles would command for Roloson, but there's also another player on their roster the Flyers are reportedly interested in. Here's Botta again, from that same article:

... several teams are preparing offers to the Islanders for Andy Sutton ... .

Sutton, a potential unrestricted free agent on July 1, is one of the best defensemen available in the trade market. If the Islanders do not re-sign him between now and the March 3 trade deadline, the 6-6 defenseman could net a strong haul for the rebuilding franchise.

Many teams are interested in Sutton, including…

New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Ottawa, Washington, Chicago, Colorado, Calgary

I'm not sure the Flyers could compete with an offer from one of those other teams, and if that many teams really are interested in his services, they asking price will likely be way too high.

Still, it's good to see them showing interest for a guy who could be a very strong impact player, even though he'll likely just be a rental. He has an expiring contract with a $3 million cap hit this season. He's a big, shut down guy who's by all accounts playing the best hockey of his career.

Meanwhile, it appears the Panthers are in full out fire sale mode. Here's a letter from team ownership...

Thus, GM Randy Sexton has begun the process of reshaping this team in order to achieve our goals and objectives. This is a multi-step process, beginning now, ahead of the trading deadline, and continuing through the draft, free agency and training camp – so we ask that you assess our success only once this process has run its course.

Unfortunately, these changes will not always be easy for our fans and supporters to accept or understand. These changes also may not be easy for our coaches, players and staff. But they are necessary. No small changes or quick fixes will do. But please note that these changes are part of an overall plan to make the best use of our current assets and set this franchise up to achieve the success we want as quickly as possible, and to maintain it.

Clearly, we are not satisfied with some of the players on this team that do not possess the characteristics we need to be successful. We must be accountable for that. Our task moving forward is to acquire players with the attributes, skills and qualities we want in a Panthers player. We must admit the significant shortcomings we have as an organization, and we must move quickly and efficiently to overcome these shortcomings and reshape this franchise on a much more solid foundation.

Yada, yada, we're blowing up the team.

Tomas Vokoun, Bryan McCabe, and Stephen Weiss have no trade clauses. Rostislav Olesz is a guy who might be available, and this is just me speculating now, but he'd be a really nice fit up front and he'd actually crack the roster, unlike Ville Leino. He's just 24 years old, signed through 2014 and has a manageable cap hit of $3.125 million. Unfortunately, even that might be too expensive on this Flyers club.

The one other guy on the Panthers who might be a nice fit is defenseman Keith Ballard. He'll knock some sense into our goaltending if necessary and he's just a very nice defenseman. He plays in both ends, can breakout extremely effectively and he likes to throw the body around. Trouble is he has a limited no-trade clause in which he's designated seven teams to which he'd accept a trade. He also has a hefty cap hit of $4.2 million, which is not bad for him but might not work for the Flyers.

These are just a handful of possibilities; some speculation, others with more weight. The Olympic roster freeze is today at 3 PM and doesn't lift until midnight on February 28th. Do you think the Flyers should make a move today?

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That’s a lot of speculation about defensemen and goaltenders. I’m not sure I really want Roloson, and I’m not sure I want another defenseman at all, actually.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 12, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I heard there might be a good deal on a ‘65 propane zamboni. Teams rumored to be interested; Philadelphia. Don’t rumor mongers note the salary cap issues the Flyers have and how that would mean that they can not be involved in every deal I have heard of for the last 3 days.

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe it’s printed right into the MSM guide to reporting on the Flyers… Rule #1) If all else fails, write about both the Flyers and their fans being goons, Rule #2) Philadelphia is always in the mix for every trade, regardless of whether you have any sources, Rule #3……

by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 12, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately our GM seems to believe the rumors instead of creating any.

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I really do think we’re in the mix for every trade.

Seriously. Honestly.

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by Travis Hughes on Feb 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree. I can see Homer on the phone with every team offering draft picks for anyone who’s a big name now or has been a big name in the last ten years whenever he hears their name on the trading post.

by Kanayd on Feb 12, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Rule #4 PROFIT

Oh, This is bound to be good
You can't, but you thought that You could

by jello44 on Feb 12, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can’t we give Leighton a chance to be a starter, he is 10-6 with 2.17GAA, SV% .925% as a Flyer. When was the last time a flyers goalie had that save percentage? Most of the losses haven’t been his fault, see Edmonton, winter classic, etc.

by eric88 on Feb 12, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, hes been good, but he really hasnt been tested very much either. Since coming here, hes only faced 3 good teams in NJD x 2 and Pitt. He won those 3 games, but the Devils dont win by outscoring anyone, and he was bailed out by the offense in the Pitt game. The majority of his success has come against some pretty bad teams.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2804/gamelog;_ylt=AtDq5KDSbH8gehMGCUn6ar5ivLYF

(If Im not mistaken, his first game as a Flyer came on Dec 21.)

by philiafan14364 on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he came Dec. 21. And that is what I am saying is let him be tested before we resign Emery or bring in a new goalie. I actually think these two games against Montreal will be a good test because Montreal has been playing good hockey lately coming off an impressive win over the Capitals and they have traditionally owned us in the regular season.

by eric88 on Feb 12, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the reason’s he “hasn’t been tested” which is actually a comment I don’t agree with whatsoever, is that he has been very good controlling his rebounds, and the pace of the game. He’s also made some great lateral saves, and you certainly can’t blame the guy for a number of recent goals when the flyers D has been deflecting in pucks lately like it’s a soccer competition. The last really weak goal he gave up was the one that went through his legs against the Devils. Other than that, he’s been solid bordering on confident. I thought it was a huge mistake the way Emery was rushed back in, and between the two I’ve liked Leighton’s play, and the way the Flyers play in front of him, much better than the way they’ve played in front of Emery.

by Gizmoitus on Feb 12, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like the notice the Panthers put out there and I hope for the fans sake they get the team straightened out. This is a tactic I wished the Flyers would have taken for about 15 years now, but instead we keep loading the team and the salary cap with has-beens and long-shots. I would welcome and could easily weather an honest to god cut to the bone rebuilding process, what would be the downside, we wouldn’t win a cup for 35 years. Been there done that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

And the other reason we would never do this is because Holmgren would actually have to coherently compose three paragraphs explaining the plan. Not likely!

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Ownership is pretty darn honest with us. I think some of us have just worn thin on the philosophy.

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by Travis Hughes on Feb 12, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

When are they going to be honest with themselves? And this includes having a truly intelligent and qualified GM, you know a lock down businessman not the all time leader in penalty minutes. You mean to tell me they were being honest when they thought the answer to the 30 year void in the net was going to be Emery?

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What was wrong with Emery? I thought it was a good signing. The abdomen was a freak injury, they could never have seen that coming, and the hip was likely a result of the first injury.

by philiafan14364 on Feb 12, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He was an exile from the league and a risk. Why are we the ones trying the out of the box players. Get a friggin’ guy with a pedigree and a proven track record of success. He hasn’t shown me he is going to be the answer in the net. I haven’t seen the guy win a half dozen games the team had no business competing in.

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The cap space wasn’t there to sign anyone else of decent talent.

by Ben Feldman on Feb 12, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Then free up one of the four guys that need to play the top two center positions. Maybe not getting a 35 year old defenseman for 6 million instead of a legitimate goaltender. It is the philosophy and the forethought I have a problem with as much as anything.

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He was an exile from the league because he was temperamental and an off-ice problem. The organization obviously felt they could deal with that. His bad year in goal, he was recovering from wrist surgery and was upset with the Sens for putting Gaborik ahead of him on the depth chart. His talent has never really been a question, it’s been his mental toughness and perserverance. That, we won’t be able to determine until we see how he performs after the Olympics.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Feb 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean Gerber, not Gaborik.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Feb 12, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I do. I was watching the new intro just before I wrote this, and was still thinking about Carcillo and Gaborik going at it.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Feb 12, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So taking the Sens to the Finals in 2007 didn’t prove anything? And management chased him out of Ottawa anyway

by Dlance04 on Feb 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess it proved even after that he wasn’t worth the risk. Not to mention they couldn’t even trade him. Listen this seasons problems aren’t hanging on his door solely but we are talking about how I would welcome a letter from the Flyers saying bare with us we are going to shred this pork barrel and start over. And then start over with a pedigree goaltender without questions.

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention they couldn’t even trade him

Which is why they bought him out. THEN no one in the NHL would sign him and he went to the KHL.

by MarioD on Feb 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This organization will never go through a “rebuilding” process… Snider wants to win every year and will not accept a year in which winning the Stanley Cup is not a possibility. This is a fine philosophy without a salary cap, because Snider could have Clarke spend $75 million on new players without breaking a sweat. But that’s not possible without the salary cap. And they haven’t realized that yet.

I would love to see some actual changes. But Homer can’t go into sell mode because Snider and Luukko (rightly) think this team has a chance to make the playoffs, and therefore win the Stanley Cup.

by Ben Feldman on Feb 12, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I should rephrase in that I think they’re right in thinking the team has a chance to make the playoffs, but they’re wrong in thinking this team has a chance to win the Stanley Cup.

by Ben Feldman on Feb 12, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You’d think they would have learned something from 2006-07.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Feb 12, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense and goaltending is not the issue here. If our D can stay healthy until Parent gets better, we’ve got a fine 7-man rotation.

The issue is scoring, and that is the only area in which we should be looking to improve.

Part of me thinks that Leino may be part of a package for a scorer if the Flyers indeed do anything.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Feb 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Why is this suprising? The guy was a textbook definition of a one year wonder.

by philiafan14364 on Feb 12, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not really surprising, but how often do you see a Rocket Richard winner on waivers?

by Ben Feldman on Feb 12, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, about as often as you see 0 talent guys win the Rocket Richard award.

by philiafan14364 on Feb 12, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Do it, Homer!

/sarcasm

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Feb 12, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Brashear cleared waivers that is more the speed of this team. Lets get more vengeance!

by MJDII on Feb 12, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If they get Roloson…..puke. I’d rather see them roll the dice on the waiver wire Cheechoo .

by Dinky on Feb 12, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if Homer would acquire him just for fun. “They think they figured out how to work with three goalies, huh? Let’s see what happens when I add a fourth!”

Cue Yakety Sax, etc. etc.

by Ben Feldman on Feb 12, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

When do we get to stop wondering, anyway? Is it 3 pm EST or 3 pm PST?

by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 12, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

3 EST.

Oh, This is bound to be good
You can't, but you thought that You could

by jello44 on Feb 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Then the speculation begins on post-Olympic trades!

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Feb 12, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

like NJ trading Ilya Kovalchuk before the deadline

by Prometheus74 on Feb 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, by that point he’ll have been with the team about a month, but he’ll only have two assists and be a -2, averaging 3 PIM per game. That’s not the output you expect when you pay a guy $6.4 million.

(C’mon, you just know somebody will make that argument, ignoring the fact that the Olympics occurred right after he got traded.)

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Feb 12, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I herd a report that the Flyers will in the mix

by Prometheus74 on Feb 12, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Meanwhile...

… Alexadre Picard is now on his 4th team in as many seasons.

It seems like only yesterday that Homer said he might be the mobile, puck-moving defenseman the Flyers needed so badly. This was around December of 2007 when Coburn was still emerging and the team relied more heavily on guys like Smith and Hatcher. We sent him to Tampa for Prospal. Last season, Tampa sent him to Ottawa for Filip Kuba; now, Ottawa sends him to Carolina for Matt Cullen.

Mr. Picard is officially the mobile, puck moving defenseman that EVERYONE needs and NO ONE needs at the same time. How very Zen.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Feb 12, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well, he’s mobile, at least. Four teams in four seasons is an incredible movement rate.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Feb 12, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Who got traded? Is half the league moving? It would seem like that with all the hype.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

The Canadiens got better. Ottawa got better. The Rangers replaced Brashear on their roster. The Flyers did nothing.

by MarioD on Feb 12, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Canadiens got better.

Ostensibly, yes, but you wouldn’t know it after the last two games.

Ottawa got better.

Sure, but unless we get super hot and the Sabres wake up, we won’t be catching them.

The Rangers replaced Brashear on their roster.

The Rangers are only relevant because of King Henrik. Replacing Brashear on their roster is not going to amount to much.

The Flyers did nothing.

The Flyers have been doing just fine in picking up other team’s scrap-heap players. Plus, they got rid of “Not-so-O-K” Tollefsen. It would help if we could get another scorer to play on Richards’ line, but other than that I can’t see any reasons to make a trade just foor the sake of making a trade.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Feb 13, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy Sutton may be playing the best hockey of his career, but he’s still not that good. I’ll be astonished if the Caps are in the mix for him; they already have plenty of bottom pair D. I really don’t see how he helps PHI that much either. Sure, the reputation for size and toughness is there, but you can’t just camp out in front of your own crease and crosscheck guys anymore. If you can’t skate you can’t do all that much unless you are incredibly intelligent and good with the puck. Sutton is neither.

Roloson makes sense from a PHI perspective only because he’s relatively cheap on the salary cap. But he’s played well and if Moore got a 2nd round pick then Roloson will command much more. PHI has assets, but I don’t think it makes sense to use them on a 40 year old mostly-back up goalie. He could catch lightning in a bottle and go on a Cup run, but I wouldn’t bank on it.

Vokoun makes the most sense for PHI; he makes them a Cup contender immediately. But to fit that salary PHI would have to move out a good deal of salary, meaning a quality roster player. Maybe FLA goes for Briere, but would Briere go to a rebuilding team? Ultimately I think the compensation cost of getting Vokoun is going to be prohibitive, though Holmgren has shown that he’ll pay a hefty sum for an impact player.

I share the Ballard love, and can’t believe he didn’t even get an invite to the Team USA summer camp. He could make sense for PHI if they want to make a serious move, but FLA considers him part of their core and he won’t be easy to pry away. Maybe they’d accept a guy like Coburn, but I’m not sure that’s a huge upgrade or opens up enough cap space.

Ultimately I think PHI is one of those teams that’s too close to the cap to make many moves that would really help the team. To get any impact player PHI has to shed salary, which means shipping out a productive player currently on the roster. GMs are generally risk averse so you don’t see many trades like that happening.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 12, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

No Roloson in Philly

I don’t want him on our team. The guy’s 40 years old for Pete’s sake. I don’t care how well he’s playing now, we have Leighton and Boosh who are not playing bad so if Emery ends up being gone for the rest of the season we’re still covered. If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it.

by Kanayd on Feb 12, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

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