An Early Look at the 2010-11 Flyers Cap Situation
Ever wonder what the Flyers salary cap currently looks like for next year? Well, I'm here to show you. Below you will find tables of who the Flyers have under contract for the 2010-2011 season.
I completely took this idea from Dominik over at Lighthouse Hockey, so I must give him credit. It seems a good idea, especially - as he said - around the trading deadline.
All numbers were gathered from CapGeek.com, so feel free to correct any mistakes of mine.
The tables below will look only at players under contract for the following season and whose rights the Flyers have, via restricted free agent status. Hence, you will see that the Flyers only have one goalie signed for next year.
Jump to see what the 2010-2011 Flyers look like as of today.
Just like Dominik did, it's important to get a few things out of the way first:
- Players scheduled to be restricted free agents at the end of this season are in italics. The Flyers can receive draft picks depending on whether they sign with another club or not, after the Flyers make a qualifying offer of course.
- Cap hits next to RFAs are this year's cap hits, so some of them would likely receive a raise (Coburn) while others could conceivably take a cut (Parent).
- The Cap this year is roughly $56.8 million, which could easily go down next year.
- Players listed as locked up for next year's cap doesn't mean they must count. For example, if the team doesn't want to carry Cote next year, he would be waived and either claimed or sent to the Phantoms. In either case, his number doesn't count against the cap.
- The first two tables show cap hit, in terms of million. The numbers are also rounded, so for example, Lappy's $1,166,666 cap hit is shown as: $1.17.
- The AHL player list shows cap hit in terms of thousands. So, Marshall's $845,833 is shown as $846,
First, the Forwards:
| Left Wing | Center | Right Wing | |||
| Simon Gagne | $5.25 | Danny Briere | $6.50 | Ian Laperriere | $1.17 |
| Scott Hartnell | $4.20 | Mike Richards | $5.75 | Claude Giroux | $0.82 |
| James van Riemsdyk | $1.65 | Jeff Carter | $5.00 | ||
| Ville Leino | $0.80 | Blair Betts | $0.70 | ||
| Riley Cote | $0.55 | ||||
| Totals | $12.45 | $17.95 | $1.99 | ||
| Dan Carcillo | $0.89 | Darroll Powe | $0.52 | Forward Total | $32.39 |
As you can see, the Flyers already have 11 forwards locked up for next year. Yes, Riley Cote is still signed through next year. If the salary cap stays the same, the Flyers have roughly 57% of the maximum cap locked up in their 11 forwards.
The team's two RFAs - Dan Carcillo and Darroll Powe - are likely to be resigned, whether that's smart or not. Personally, I hope Carcillo is resigned. He should earn around $1 mil or so, which isn't a substantial raise. But that creates a log jam on the left wing while the team is massively shorthanded on the right side. Briere is listed as a center here, but he could just as easily be listed as a RW. Swap Briere and Giroux if you want, it doesn't really make much of a difference. Either way, this is where resigning both Powe and Carillo becomes questionable.
Not only would the entire top 13 remain the same next year - and if it isn't working this year, why do the same thing next year? - but the team would have 6 left wings, 5 centers, and only 2 right wings. Obviously, Powe and Briere can both play right, but the team's forwards aren't very well balanced. And they're pretty much set for next year - barring any trades.
Onto the Defense and Goalies:
| Defense | Goalie | ||
| Kimmo Timonen | $6.33 | Brian Boucher | $0.93 |
| Chris Pronger | $4.92 | ||
| Matt Carle | $3.44 | ||
| Oskars Bartulis | $0.60 | ||
| Totals | $15.29 | $0.93 | |
| Braydon Coburn | $1.30 | Total Rearguard | $16.22 |
| Ryan Parent | $0.86 | ||
| Danny Syvret | $0.58 |
Here's where the team has a little bit of room. The team has a combined $48.61 million locked up for next season, roughly $8.2 mil shy of the cap. With three RFA defensemen, the team has a pretty big hole on the blueline - they have a formidable top-3 locked up with a decent #6 signed cheap. Coburn would be a great #4 at the right price, but if he receives a big offer from another team, letting him walk would be well worth the compensatory draft picks. As mentioned above, Ryan Parent could be looking at a paycut, which would make him a solid #5. Because of his injury history, letting him walk might not be the worst move either.
The gaping hole on this team, however, is in net. This is where the $8mil+ of cap room looks to be spent. The free agent market for goalies has been thoroughly discussed around these parts, so I'll spare you that again. Needless to say, the team has money to spend if they choose. Whether they want to spend that money on a guy like Evgeni Nabokov or not is another story.
Lastly, prospects who have signed a pro contract:
| Forwards | Defense | Goalie | |||
| Jonathon Kalinski | $875, | Marc-Andre Bourdon | $875, | ||
| Andreas Nodl | $850, | Joonas Lehtivuori | $850, | Michael-Lee Teslak | $925, |
| Stefan Legein | $817, | Kevin Marshall | $846, | Jeremy Duchesne | $530, |
| Garrett Klotz | $800, | Tyler Hostetter | $536, | ||
| Eric Wellwood | $600, | ||||
| Zac Rinaldo | $550, | ||||
| Patrick Maroon | $528, | ||||
| Jonathan Matsumoto | $600, | ||||
| Ryan Dingle | $550, | ||||
| Rob Bellamy | $533, | ||||
| David Laliberte | $518, | ||||
| Matt Clackson | $508, | ||||
| Josh Beaulieu | $498, |
This table is mostly to show what those who are most likely to make the club next year from within would cost. Most of these guys won't be ready for NHL duty. But just in case the team decides to spend money on a goalie and a defensemen, leaving a hole on the right wing, you now know how much Stefan Legein or Andreas Nodl would cost the team.
The biggest thing about this list is that the team has already signed a few players to a pro contract who are still in Juniors - mainly Eric Wellwood and Zac Rinaldo. They will find themselves in Glens Falls next year. What will be interesting is how the team handles Matsumoto and Laliberte, two of their better AHL players who will probably be looking for an NHL job next year. It's highly unlikely the Flyers can guarantee them one, but letting them walk probably won't bring the team back many draft picks. Do you sign them as decent AHL depth, trade them for younger prospects, or offer them a qualifying deal and take the picks if they walk?
Conclusion:
The Flyers have 14 of the 20 players who dressed last night signed for next season (Asham, Krajicek, and Leighton are UFA). They also have both of their healthy scratches signed for next year. With so few roster spots open, it's no wonder they only have $8 million in cap space available. With that said, they need to sign a goalie, two defensemen, and two forwards. It's completely doable, especially if they are able to sign their RFAs relatively cheaply. Carcillo, Coburn, and Parent combined should require around $4 million, leaving about $4 million for a goalie.
But then the question becomes, what about some space available for a mid-season acquisition? Well, that would certainly be nice and it's completely possible since the Flyers will finally be free from Mike Rathje's contract, as well as erasing the colossal mistake of Randy Jones. With that, the Flyers should be able to bank any saved space they have at the start of the season for later.
Our question to you: Is it a good thing that so much of this year's under-performing squad is signed for next year?
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Better question…what solid goaltender can you get for 4M?
I would rather they resign Leighton on the cheap…roughly a 1M and trade or outright waive Boucher.
In my opinion there are only 5 “solid” goalies in the league worthy of that kind of money. Lunquist, Brodeur, Miller, Loungo, Nabokov they are not going anywhere. The others are hot and cool and not worth the major 4-5 million cap hit compared to the talent drop off for the 1 – 2 million guys. If Leighton keeps it up would everyone be opposed to a Leighton Backlund tandum.
by chrislanci on Feb 14, 2010 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes. Don’t get me wrong, Leighton has been great so far, but would you really make him your number 1 goalie for an entire season with Backlund as the backup? Like I said he’s been great but he is not going to turn into a Lundquist or Miller.
No he is not but neither is Halak so why pay him Lunquist or Miller money at 4 million per. Leighton has been putting up insane numbers I am still not sold but if he continues like this after the break and into the playoffs he has some credentials AHL goalie of the year I would go after another scorer before paying 4x the money on a goalie who is only a slight upgrade. Miss spending on goalie can really hurt you have to be very careful here.
by chrislanci on Feb 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Leighton makes sense as an expensive backup ($1-$1.5 M) but not so much as your bonafide starter. Backlund has backup possibilities, but you need someone that has started before, in my opinion.
by memphisbrando on Feb 14, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Sale in Florida. I’ve said it over and over…. Vokoun is the best goalie out there. Put him in a system that works and you win the cup.
Vokoun is indeed the best out there but let’s be real here, his acquisition doesn’t guarantee a cup. The trade deadline for us could surprise because Homer seems pot committed on this season and the perfect solution isn’t an obvious one. Leighton is clearly a risk but the future can’t be mortgaged again and that likely puts us out for Vokoun, especially if FLA retrieved a second for Moore.
All things considered, I’m rolling with Leighton, the guy’s been big for us and although I can’t see him as a long term answer yet, he is def my 09-10 guy.
by The Finn Abides on Feb 15, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hartnell and a pick or prospect for Vokun gets the job done IMO. Assuming Hartnell and Vokun waive their NTC’s. Vokun said he would be very picky about doing so.
Exactly what picks are we going to give up? We don’t have any.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Feb 15, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
So you think the Flyers won’t resign Asham? I’m not sure. He has been a big part of the Flyers most consistent line over the last month…. however, ultimately, the fate of this team depends on how there top six forwards play and with the exception of Carter and Richards on the power play, then have all been underperforming. Thankfully, they seem to have woken up the last couple of games so we will see how they finish down the stretch.
Another option
I personally believe that Homer might consider buying out someone’s contract or get someone to waive their no trade/movement clause. Two distinct possibilities come to mind:
1. Homer buys out Gagne. He only has a year remaining so the cap hit would only be two years. That would open up a few million in cap dollars.
2. Homer trades Hartnell. Sure, Hartnell has a no-trade clause, but Homer still holds the option to demote Hartnell to the minors. I think if the Flyers waive Hartnell, the Thrashers would surely pick him up. That possibility is reason enough why Hartnell would have to consider waiving his no trade clause. That would open up additional cap dollars.
Also, don’t discount the possibility of buying out Briere. Though costly, the move would save the team millions in payroll and cap dollars in the long run. Of course, the team would be also be paying millions of dollars to a player not wearing the orange-and-black anymore.
Buying Out Briere
If the FLyers bought Briere out after this season he would be on their salary cap for the next ten years. No way. His cap hit is big but not soo big that they can’t work around it. He is playing fine right now. A buy out isnt an option. Buying Gagne out would also be foolish he isnt old he’s going to be 30 at the end of the month. A trade makes more sense.
Geoff, how many years are left on Gagne’s contract? What’s the NTC situation? If you’re really worried about the amount of talent on the LW side, flip Briere to the right side, sign back both Powe and Carcillo. Trade Gagne for picks or prospects, one of those prospects being a RWer.
For defense:
Bring the defensemen we have back, and look for a veteran presence in the off-season, a Nick Boynton type player, knows his place. Thoughts on Krajicek, he hasn’t been screwing up, might want to look at that.
Goalie:
I’d wait till the season is over to see what Leighton does. If this team goes far into the playoffs, it is no doubt in my mind that Leighton and Boucher come back, with Backlund in the minors.
Major changes: Trade Gagne for picks or prospects. It’s not as easy as that, but he’s not the star power were looking for, so why do we label him a star and hope for the best? If we can get rid of him, that frees up a lot of space
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions
Gagne’s a UFA after 10-11, but I’m not at all sure about the NTC. Mario and Travis know more about that than me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Then I’m more for trading him during his contract year so the following year we won’t have to pay him more than he’s earning now
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gagne a raise? Please, he’ll take a cut a to stay with Philly once his contract is up. No way is he getting 5million again.
he’ll be 31 years old in the latter years of his prime. deal him while he still has value and get picks for him
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina took a chance on Cam Ward a few years ago and look what he won them.
When will people finally give Leighton some respect? He won all those games and people will say they weren’t against “good teams”. He beat Montreal and New Jersey ALL FOUR TIMES this week and people still want to get another goaltender.
Cam Ward was a highly touted prospect and became one of the best goalies in the NHL, Leighton could never hang onto a backup job his whole career. Im not saying that he hasn’t been great for us, but I just don’t feel comfortable with him being a starter for a team thats looking to win a cup.
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You know what changes that though? If he plays like he is now in the playoffs this year. If he gets that opportunity and flourishes, even if the Flyers only win a round, you sign him as your man next season.
Of course, with the Emery extension talks coming already, I highly doubt they give him that chance unless they completely run out of options.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m having trouble writing a response to this. I don’t want to bash the guy when he’s playing perhaps the best hockey of his career, and certainly I’m confident in him giving the Flyers a chance to win most nights, but next October I would have trouble affirming my confidence in a guy who lets these in every few games to carry the team through the playoffs, where you need your goalie to give you more than a chance to win.
But as you said, a playoff series win would perhaps change that.
I agree. While he’s playing well now he has never shown this kind of game in his career. For that reason I wouldn’t want to have him signed as a starter. I think the Flyers are in a position in net where they should sign someone younger who has potential and go with a Leighton/new goalie tandem.
Why the coaching team or management are leaning so heavily on Leighton, now that Emery is out., when Boucher is a more than suitable replacement is beyond me.
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The more suitable replacement is the guy whose winning more games. Leighton is doing a hell of a job. if he falters Boucher will be in. The smart coach goes with the hot hand not the more proven guy.
But how many times can you go with the “hot hand” before giving him a break? You can still go with the hot hand while giving him a night off.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah thats what I meant. Did they not learn from Emery? Are they trying to see how long it takes for a goalie to break down from over-playing or something? I know some goalies like Brodeur and Nabokov can play 70+ games a year, but the Flyers don’t have one of those type of goalies. They need rest!
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So while diagnosing emery’s labrum …did the docs. mention any arthritis in the hip socket? That be too bad because no matter how you cut it he’ll always be damaged goods. Even without arthritis, the labrum injury and the sportman’s hernia, if not caused by by just overtraining, indicate some underlying pelvic instability like ligament laxity for which treatments exist but they take time and additional therapy (believe me, I’ve be battling this for 4 years now). None of it bodes well for a butterfly style goalie. Is there another style of goaltending (I only ever hear of butterfly goalies) that he could learn? The whole stituation is pretty depressing, esp. in light of how he seemed to have finally gotten his shit together.
He could play a more stand up style but it probably wouldnt work. He’s been playing butterfly for so long its instinctive. For him to change styles would take years to round into form. Its just not an option.
IMO, not many goalies are pure butterfly or stand-up. Giguere would be a classic all bfly goalie, but I would say Emery is more hybrid. Some of his more athletic saves have nothing at all to do with a butterfly movement.
Classifying goalies based on bfly/standup is not easy to do
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I was thinking of butterfly movement in terms of the forces on the pelvis when the adductors and hip flexors are put thru more extreme ranges of motion which probably describes much butterfly movement but could also include some of the other athletic saves. Who would be an example of a stand-up today or are most guy’s hybrids for the most part? (Pardon the ignorance, baseball is my primary sport, but I really enjoy hockey just not on the same level as alot of the people who post on these boards)
wait
We’re paying almost $1m to Michael-Lee Teslak? He’s 24, and that’s all the info I could seem to scrounge up on him. Considering the fact that he’s making as much per year as Boucher, I feel like that’s a lot of dough for a guy who put up a GAA of 2.83 and a SV% of .904 in the ECHL. What gives? I know it doesn’t affect our cap hit, but still. Must be kinda nice to be that guy.
That’s what his NHL salary/cap hit would be, not how much he’s getting paid to play in the ECHL.
Same for Rinaldo and Wellwood – the amount next to their name is what their NHL cap hit would be, not what the Flyers are paying them to play in Juniors.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
right right of course
Forgot that — thanks for the reminder! But isn’t it a % decrease generally? Like, we’re still probably paying him a lot, no?
That’ I’m unaware. My understanding – and I could be way off – is that players such as him have their contract say “this is what your NHL salary is, this is what your AHL salary is, and this is what your ECHL salary is.” But again, I have no idea if that’s accurate or not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
sounds reasonable, i'd believe it
it could be a combo of both. it may change based on contract. meh, simply something i thought was pretty incredible — an unheard of goalie who would earn $1m a year in the NHL? sweet.
haha, yeah. That is strange. I just clicked his name on CapGeek and got this. His AHL salary is $65,000, his NHL salary is $875,000.
Oh, and he’s not playing well at all. ECHL: 3.70 gaa, .872 svp
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
ECHL teams have a very low salary cap. Like, ridiculously low. And its a weekly cap too, if I recall correctly. I’ll look this up when I get home later for sure though.
ECHL players all have to get summer jobs, I do know that for sure (unless they make a lot more now due to a change in their CBA over the last few years that I didn’t hear about).
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2010 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the weekly salary cap per team is 11,800. By my count there are 25 weeks in a season, so the salary cap over the course of the year is $295,000. Divide that by 25 players and each earns 11,800 over the course of the season.
Rough estimates of course, but that gives you an idea of what an ECHL player makes.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Is that below/at minimum wage?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
If they worked 40 hours a week, yeah it meets minimum wage. But counting practices and stuff, it’s really close to it!
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
No, there’s a minimum salary of $360/week for rookies and $400/week for others.
The federal minimum wage is 7.25/hour, so at 40 hours a week, it’s above by 70 bucks.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not perfect at interpreting legal documents, but I’m pretty sure the CBA does not allow for Parent to take a cut. Here’s the wording for a qualifying offer:
10.2.(ii) In order to receive a Right of First Refusal or Draft Choice
Compensat ion (at the Prior Club’s option) with respect to a
Restricted Free Agent, the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent
must tender to the Player, no later than 5:00 p.m. New York time
on the later of June 25 or the first Monday after the Entry Draft of
the final year of the Player’s SPC, a “Qualifying Offer”, which
shall be an offer of an SPC, for one League Year, which is subject
to salary arbitration if such Player is otherwise eligible for salary
arbitration in accordance with Sect ion 12.1, on at least the
following terms and condit ions:
(A) if the Player’s prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is less
than or equal to $660,000 for that League Year, 110% of
the prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary.
(B) if the Player’s prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is
greater than $660,000, but less than $1,000,000 for that
League Year, 105% of his prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL
Salary, but in no event to exceed $1,000,000.
© if the Player’s prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is equal
to or greater than $1,000,000 for that League year, 100% of
the prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary.
(D) if a Player is eligible to receive a Two-Way Qualifying
Offer, the Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary component
shall not be less than the higher of the Player’s prior year’s
Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary, if any, or the minimum
Minor League salary.
Assuming I’ve read that correctly, there is no instance where he can be given less than 100% of his previous salary, hence no cut. Those of you who are better at legal-speak than I am, please let me know if I’ve misinterpreted it.
Very good catch. If I’m reading that correctly, he falls in Part B, so the Flyers qualifying offer needs to be $803,250. I wonder if he’s eligible for salary arbitration?
Either way, maybe the Flyers sign Parent to a multi-year deal at a pay cut rather than go through the “qualifying offer” stage.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Right, I was just about to reply with the fact that his actual salary was only 765 and his cap his was higher due to a bonus….
I’ll try to figure the arbitration part out, since I’ve got the CBA open anyway….
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
1) The club wouldn’t make a qualifying off until July 1st, they should know by then if he has a playing future,
2) This is the Flyers we’re dealing with, unless he’s officially told he’ll never play again, I don’t think anything would actually stop Homer from a little one year offer. Clarkie gave Jonesy a new multi-year contract when they knew full well how damaged his knee was, and I’m sure I could think of other examples if I thought about it for a little while.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, I’ve got it. Took me a bit to look up all the crazy details, but Parent is not eligible for Arbitration.
Here’s the explanation, if anyone actually cares. Feel free to skip it unless you’re actually interested.
Parent signed his 3 year entry-level SPC on May 9, 2006 with the Predators. His birthday is important, it’s March 19, 1987, so he was 19 at the time of signing his first SPC. However, according to section 9.1.d of the CBA, a played aged 18 or 19 who fails to play 10 NHL games in the year they signed their SPC has their contract “slide” forward one year. In 2006-07, he played 1 NHL game, 6 AHL games, and 43 OHL games. Therefore, his 3 year SPC (after sliding) actually began in 2007-08.
He was 20 when he actually started playing in the NHL in 2007. Defined in 10.2.1.(i), a played aged 20 or older earns a year of professional experience by playing 10 or more professional games under an SPC in a given league year. To be eligible for Restricted Free Agency, a played who signed their first SPC between ages 18 and 21 needs 3 years of professional experience. He has that: 22 games in 2007-08, 31 in 2008-09, and 28 in 2009-10.
Now that we have all that background information, we jump to Section 12.1.(a), which defines the requirements for arbitration. For a player who signed his first SPC between ages 18 and 20, the minimum level of professional experience required to be eligible is 4 years. Parent has 3, so he doesn’t make it.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, thank you. The amount of work necessary for this stuff is ridiculous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I know, now I’m wondering if I should post the parts that show how we can’t sign anybody’s else’s RFA’s, either.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
The clarify, I mean how we can’t make offers to some RFA’s because of the rules of when the accompanying draft picks have to be available. There are some things that can be done, but not any big names.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Hartnell in the offseason, replace him with Matsumato, and resign Emery (assuming hes healthy).
I dont think having mostly the same team next year would really be a bad thing. If they ever ‘click’, they could be soooo good.
27-12-3 with betts in the lineup. Is that clicking? Exactly half a year (plus one game). =57 Pts x 2= 114 Pts.
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 15, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Great stat. I think it has less to do with Betts play individually as it does, how the rest of the lineup clicks when he is there. When he is out, a lot of guys are having to shift in and out or lines and roles that they might not be accustomed to or comfortable with. Glad we resigned him for 2 more years.
Is his history of shoulder injuries a typical one for centers of his age and ice time?
Missed majority of 2002-03 season recovering from shoulder injury suffered in training camp, September 27, 2002. Missed majority of 2003-04 season recovering from shoulder injuries suffered in games vs. Chicago (November 22, 2003) and Colorado (December 31, 2003). Missed 12 games (11/23-12/15) due to right dislocated shoulder injury suffered @ PHX on 11/21. Missed 7 games (10/8-10/27) due to dislocated shoulder suffered vs. WSH on 10/6.
Judging by most people’s critisms of Homer, if his injury history isn’t atypical, is this still a wise signing when you figure he is 30? I don’t know the age/performance correlations of hockey players to say if this would be the case.
Couple of days ago, a question came to my mind:
is there any reason, why mike rathje is still on the flyers roster and was never sent down to the phantoms?
I mean, I know he’s on LTIR but as was mentioned many times before, his cap hit counts against the cap at least to some extent (in so far that they can’t build a cushion). So why not give him the gauthier/jones-treatment and send him to the phantoms and just get rid of the cap hit?
I had a look into the CBA but couldn’t find anything that would prevent a team from waiving a player on LTIR. Maybe I just overlooked it?
Or maybe there is another simple explanation that someone out there already knows?
This is a really good question…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 16, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I asked the SBN email thread, and a few people have said you can’t waive an injured player. It makes sense, but then my question was, can’t they then either a) tell him to retire (I’m assuming he won’t because he wouldn’t get paid $3.5 million) or b) send him to the AHL before placing him on LTIR (at the beginning of the season).
I just asked this question, so when I get the answer, I’ll post it, but the important thing to remember is: This only matters for the next 22 games, since there is no Cap in the Playoffs and there is no Rathje in 20-11.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 16, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for investigating.
As you said, not that it does matter any more at this point. But it would be interesting to know for future high cap-hit LTIR candidates on the Flyers blueline.
Basically, what I understood (and I could be wrong) is that if he retires, he doesn’t get paid the same amount as he does on LTIR. Makes sense. So, he wouldn’t do that. Second, the Flyers could send him to the AHL, but idk why they didn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 16, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
A Player who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception as set forth in Article 50
may, with his consent, during the term of such Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception (but in no event during the first fourteen (14) calendar days and six (6) NHL Games), be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan (the “Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan”) for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to play…This procedure can only be used once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception.
It looks from Section 13.9 that you can only send a player down for a conditioning loan of 6 days or 3 games if he’s on LTIR.
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