Olympic Hockey Day 2 Preview and Open Thread: Sweden, Finland, and the Battle of Czechoslovakia
by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 17, 2010 3:00 PM EST
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PrintAfter Latvia shocked the world last night by killing off seven of eight Russian power plays, the Olympic tournament continues on with three games, the last of which is by far the most interesting.
Group C Game 1: Finland vs. Belarus - 3 PM - MSNBC: Belarus forever has that big Olympic win over another Scandinavian country under its belt, but I can't imagine this game will be close at all. Kimmo Timonen will probably score at least four times. And today it becomes official: Lasse Kukkonen is an Olympic athlete. Wrap your head around that one.
Group C Game 2: Sweden vs. Germany - 7:30 PM - CNBC: The defending champions, Sweden, face-off against the Uwe Krupp-led Germans in their first game of this title defense. While there's some talk about Sweden being sort of an auxiliary favorite in this event, I don't think anyone seriously thinks they're going to win gold again. So it's a chance for them to prove where they're at either way. As far as Germany goes, they've got a real fighting chance with Thomas Greiss in net, but less of a fighting chance when you realize how many complete nobodies make up the rest of the team.
Group B Game 2: Czech Republic vs. Slovakia - 11:55 PM - CNBC: How ridiculous is Group B?? Not only does it feature Latvia and that team that played Latvia last night, it also boasts both halves of former Czechoslovakia, namely the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It will be the first time Jagr's played in North America for a while, as well as the first time in a while Jaroslav Halak has gotten to start a game without previously stabbing little pins into a Carey Price voodoo doll. This should be a pretty sweet, all-offense affair.
Follow the action in the comments all day long. Comments and ideas on how Latvia should retool it's passing for their game on Friday are also welcome.
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haha, brilliant.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I keep hearing “Koval” and thinking “Kovar”, as in Jakub Kovar, Flyers prospect.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions
This Belarus PK is not exactly looking like the awesome Latvia PK from last night.
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This is my favorite Halak moment
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions
Yes
Much wider and a lot more room behind the nets
Makes for a crazy fast flow
All passing,
Hits are rare
by Prometheus74 on Feb 17, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure the Russians would love that…Maybe because the hits are rare is why some of the teams that don’t have alot of NHL players are undersized as they were expecting to play on international sized rinks? Probably not, I’m sure they knew well in advance the rink size…
This game is on NHL size rinks. Canada’s rinks are already NHL size, they didn’t wana change.
by orangeandblack20 on Feb 17, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering if the size was undetermined up until of few months ago…I know they are NHL sized rinks but didn’t know if they still had the option to change a few months before the competition began.
This is the 1st Olympic games to not use the International rink size.
They made the decision to break with tradition 3 years ago
by Prometheus74 on Feb 17, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Vancouver has a ton of International size rinks as well as NHL size rinks, and they could have changed the rink size without much difficulty.
They chose to keep the NHL size b/c its to their advantage.
It helps US too
I wish they didnt make that choice but I dont blame them either
by Prometheus74 on Feb 17, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
they could split the differences and make a hybrid NHL / International Olympic rink.
If the International Rinks lend themselves to a more open flow, less checking, pass happy style of play. its now wonder why some the countries with few NHLers that normal play International Rinks have smaller players…with less hitting and more distance to cover, a 230 lb player might be overkill and stamina liability
This is just like the Finland-China women’s game from last night. Finland was outshooting them a lot to single-digist and yet, it was only a 1-goal game.
Penalty on Finland. Belarus has a chance. Figures it would be Lasse Kukkonen getting the Finland penalty.
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Are you suggesting Lasse Kukkonen doesn’t want to win? Because he’s so good, he doesn’t need to penalize.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was because John Stevens was a racist? No?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all. That’s irresponsible and indefensible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that was terrible defense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know there’s no trades allowed during the games but are there any trade rumors flying around involving us or other teams that may affect us?
I’ve heard LA kings wants Hartnell, but thats all I know.
The sharks are trying to get Brian Cambell back is also another rumor.
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I’ll tell you one thing they don’t have: their minds.
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Harnell would do well in LA, both on a team that getting better and better, as well as living in a city full of clowns
by Prometheus74 on Feb 17, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know, I just heard they might be interested in his services’. Other then that, I have no idea what they will throw in or even if Homer wants to trade Harts. I would take Simmonds Or Smith if they want to part with eaither of them, and they have a lot of guys that Im good with in NHL10 (I usually play as the kings or Wild) that may or may not be good role players.
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If they wanted to pull the possibly the worst trade ever and give us Quick, I think I would be ok with that.
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Cote for Kopitar would be better, I think.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 17, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
1st show was NYE 90/91
bought the ticket the day before, General admission
worcester new auditorium
spent the nest 10 years going to all the NYE run shows
and a lot of shows in between.
by Prometheus74 on Feb 17, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity, am I the only that remembers that Lasse Kukkonen played in the 2006 Olympics?
In case anybody is here, they started the Sweden/Germany game on MSNBC since the curling isn’t done…
Un-effing-believeable. It really is a crime at MSNBC to run into Keith Olbermann’s timeslot.
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I know! Ridiculous. I just checked Universal sports and USA too, no dice.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Universal sports is running a rerun of a qualifier for the Olympics btw, they totally could have bumped that for Forsberg….
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
It’s on NBCOlympics.com, or something.
NBC has been terrible these Games.
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It’s about time.
I was listening to the Mike Boone interview…..did anyone happen to catch who won the curling match?
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Not us.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 17, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
No problemo.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 17, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’m shocked Germany is still in this game right now.
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Hot Damn, Sweden’s uniforms are bright! Just got home. What did I miss? This game looks close.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
You missed NBC give an encore performance of last night’s terrible handling of the games. Basically unless you watched a stream, you missed the whole 1st period minus 10 minutes real time on MSNBC.
Sweden’s looked quite stagnant, actually. Germany is not just barely hanging in there.
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Don’t we want them to get killed, though? We need them seeded below Latvia
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
We do want them to get killed.
Would hex have been a better word? My comment of how they were hanging in the game turned into a 2nd goal for the Swedes…..
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I think jinx was the right word in that case, but someone putting a hex on them could be a good idea for the good of Latvia…
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think this should be a topic for BSB Radio next week. If they are trying to elevate their sport through the Olympics, the major networks and announcers aren’t doing them any favors with their craptacular production work. They don’t even bother to learn the non-NHL players’ names. I say remove NHLers from the Olympics, because it’s not doing much for hockey if this is how it’s going to be treated.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Is this game boring anybody else? I’m trying to figure out if I’m disinterested because I’m trying to listen to the radio show at the same time, or if the game is really doing nothing to grab my attention
It’s pretty boring, although I think boring and not a blowout is better than boring and a blowout.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 17, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Come on Swedes! Run up the score so we can all dance with Latvian pirates tonight!
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The pirates are getting all their rest in for all the partying this weekend, I think.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
not yet but he is blatantly disrespecting him, and not trash talking him
by Prometheus74 on Feb 17, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Milbury’s an idiot. Just another reason to love JR even more.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone else staying up for the last one?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 17, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions
Heh, primetime for you I guess.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 17, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeh its about the only time that really works for me. And Czech Republic was the team I used to support in national competitions. Before the Latvian pirates of course
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Czech Superheroes have their own merits, to be sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGfkvWWIgZA
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I only made it about 25 seconds, sorry! I guess that’s because my Gypsy ancestors were Italian ones, not Czechs?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
It’s about dinner time there, right? For once, we’re the ones watching the game at weird hours instead of you
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be here for part of it, my sleep schedule is all messed up anyway
I gave all my coworkers an earful today about last night’s game
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Uh oh. I hope this Switzerland-Slovakia game does not go to overtime.
NBC has already proven that they are unwilling to cut away from anything in favor of a brand new game. If they won’t cut away from 13-0, there is no chance they are getting away from the 1st potential OT game of the Olympics.
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If they’re going to schedule things this tightly, and they’re spreading everything across 5 networks anyway, why can’t they just keep one of those networks available for overflow instead of showing reruns of old sporting events?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 17, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
They’re trying to pile it on now…. I didn’t see the goal, just the celebration
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
It was really sweet, and they only did the dog pile because she fell while shooting, so after the goal she was lying on the ice.
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I actually meant in terms of the number of goals, but I guess the phrasing worked both ways, haha
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Can you use the streams from atdhe.net? There’s one there
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
http://nhlbroadcast.blogspot.com/2010/02/anaheim-ducks-los-angeles-kings.html
Sounds British, I think.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I know the link says Ducks/Kings. It’s the game.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
The guy over at In Lou We Trust seems to not like illegal streams being posted in his blog. You don’t have an opinion on it?
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I have no comment about NHL streams being posted. shifty eyes
For the Olympics, I don’t care. You can’t watch the game on your TV and NBC has terrible coverage here in the States, so whatever.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
:)
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Is it really bad that these announcers are much more enjoyable to me than the ones on the TV?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing as NBC is the Rangers radio PbP guy working with the Rangers analyst who did not realize that Gaborik started a fight with Dan Carcillo, no, it’s not bad. It’d actually consider it par for the course.
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My standards aren’t really high, I think it’s just noticable because for once, it’s not awful. I’m perfectly happy with adequate, and I’ll gladly take adequate over bad
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Halak just made a great save and there was a huge scrum in front of the net.
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And yes, I have figured out what team is which. No thanks to the lack of announcers and being adjusted to Slovakian women in white and the Czech Republic wearing similar looking white uniforms.
Besides I don’t ever recall any of these teams wearing blue before.
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Marcel Hossa is on Dinamo Riga, for what that’s worth.
And Branko Radivojevic is out there for Slovakia. Always liked him.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 AM EST reply actions
Wow, that’s a sweet redirect from Elias.
And why did Halak use this occasion to take the Slovak flag off the back of his match?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions
Do we have a consensus on who to root for in this one?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I actually don’t care, I just wanted to post that…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I guess at this stage a big Czech Republic blowout.
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I was expecting to end up on the root-against-Gaborik side of the fence anyway, but I was trying to figure out if we were all unified on the subject
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I could really get used to this no TV timeouts thing…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 AM EST reply actions
4 of the 12 olympic hockey teams are not in this song, which came out in 1994. Funny how much Europe changes.
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I love that song, but I think the lyrics are way older than 1994. There’s a whole bunch of countries that were long gone by ’94, like Kampuchea, for instance.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, good find!
Only problem is that everytime I hear that song, I get a different geography song stuck in my head, so now I’m stuck with the other one
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, in 8th grade, I opted out of taking the test of the world, to sing this in front of the class. I got a 95 because some stuff was different, but it was better then the actual written exam.
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Haha. I just have a bizarre link in my head, since Animaniacs and Carmen Sandiego were on back to back when I grew up, every time I hear the Animaniacs geography song I get the Carmen Sandiego theme stuck in my head
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I did the same kind of stuff growing up, I earned a whole mess of extra credit or got out of homework assignments in middle school history just based on the number of schoolhouse rock jingles i had memorized. Course you did the hardest possible song, I never mastered that one
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Did the announcers just insinuate that somebody’s stick needs to be inspected, a la McSorley?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:35 AM EST reply actions
On the entertainment side of things, it is the first non 0-0 tie of these olympics.
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True! I’m just not in the mood to cheer for Gaborik; I’m having trouble getting really involved and rooting for anybody
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Where’s Carcillo when you need him?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
We need his hands to heal though, we already know Gabby won’t take the visor off
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Wha? A close Olympic game?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:56 AM EST reply actions
They have a open house day for all the EU embassies here every year. Slovakia gave out free pasta. Czech Republic gave out free beer. Advantage Czech Republic.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 12:58 AM EST reply actions
Gotta go with you there. Not that I’ve had that many varieties of Czech beer (I think I’ve had one), but yeah they still win
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Wait…Is Czech beer similar to German beer at all?
I’ve had some German beer and man oh man, that was beyond bitter.
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The only one I had wasn’t like a strong German beer at all, it was more middle of the road, but it was a long time ago
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
His name is a ton of fun to say if nothing else.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
If Slovakia wins this, we’re never going to stop hearing about Gaborik, now are we?
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I always liked Gabby, its a shame he cant stay healthy because he is a serious threat on the wing.
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Me too. I can’t remember if he said anything about Carcillo, but props for him dropping the gloves
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The only thing he said to the media after the fight that I heard was something to the effect of “I’m fine” then moved on, he didn’t try to weasel out and pretend he got jumped or anything
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, didn’t do anything to earn our ire. I mean, we respected him all along for dropping the gloves in the first place, but he didn’t try to lie about it later. I don’t dislike the guy
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
If it was not for the fact that he was a Ranger, I would probably like him a whole lot. But he is a Ranger and his success means constant talk about how great he is. Crosby and Ovechkin get slurped bad enough, I’d rather not add Gaborik to that list as well.
He is a good player though and it was not his fault the New York media is delusional.
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Exactly why I’m not rooting for him to score goals here tonight, it’s nothing personal.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Lukas Krajicek is from Czech Republic, but other than that, there are no current Flyers from CR/Slovakia nor are there any players currently in Adirondack from CR/Slovakia.
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This is a problem. I really like both these teams, especially the way the forwards play. The seem to all be able to be score but are gritty too.
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They’re impressive, but remember that they are also Latvia’s next two opponents…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
None of them will stand a chance once they face the Latvia PK. In most games you want to avoid mistakes, well Latvia wants to make mistakes in their next couple games.
I must admit that I am a bit depressed that I don’t know how much of the next two Latvian games I’ll be able to watch. Why did the IOC have to schedule them at inconvenient times? :’-(
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I’ll be home for Saturday’s, but out for Friday’s. Which game is which?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Damn, Halak shoulda had that.
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That was about as pretty a garbage goal as you can have right there.
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If we’re going by Slovakian stick raises, this game is tied at 3.
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I think the rules are only allowed to get rewritten for Canada, at least for these games…
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one that thinks that between the U.S., Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, and Slovakia talks that everyone has forgotten about the Czech Republic?
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I’ve heard them mentioned in some places but not in others, I think the media is sort of split over them.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
So no one got beaten worse than Latvia did last night. Bah humbug.
Our boys are currently in 11th place, behind only Norway.
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We’ll make it up when we beat Slovakia too
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely not impossible.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
If we get our passing cleaned up, with our PK, we can handle it
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
We just need to take more penalties.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Pavel Demitra looked to be wearing some sort of Canucks undershirt out there.
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Whoa, an avatar to go with the new handle. Blowing my mind here.
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