Olympic Hockey Day 9 Preview and Open Thread: Medal Rounds, Baby
by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:01 PM EST
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Game 1: #1 United States vs. #4 Finland - 3 PM - NBC: Why is neither of these games starting at a normal time? Bizarre. In any event, the Americans, the only group winners left in the tournament, play Finland at 3 PM EST on NBC, a game that should be annoyingly like the Switzerland game in all likelihood. The Finns looked lost against Sweden with their huge forechecking pressure, so hopefully these American coaches we pay with our tax dollars (do we?) know to do that again. This should be a real tight scoring game, with probably three goals maximum handed out the whole way. If the Switzerland game made you nauseous, this one will be worse. Enjoy!
Game 2: #6 Canada vs. #7 Slovakia - 9:30 PM - CNBC: Why is this game on so late? Unclear. It's gonna be like 10:30 PM in Sidney Crosby's weird Nova Scotia time before this gets started. But when it does start, look for Canada to keep rolling offensively, especially against a non-elite goaltender like Jaroslav Halak, who has probably been more lucky than good in this tournament. Everything may change for them when they get to a Ryan Miller or Miikka Kiprusoff, but tonight should be another high-scoring deal. Mike Richards nets at least four, you can count on that.
75% of these players will leave here with a medal. Not bad odds if you can get them. Hopefully the odds are 100% of you commenting your heart out here now that it's crunch time. Leave it all out there--you don't want to have to tell your grandchildren they can't play with your medal because they didn't give one for fourth back then.
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USA 1-0 FIN
OMG
Kiprusoff may have won us the game right there already. That was unbelievably boneheaded.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Kipper channeling his best Nikolai Khabibulin?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly it was probably more Hextallian than anything.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Please rec this at your own discretion.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
That has totally changed the momentum, not shockingly.
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Nice vest, Pierre McGuire…
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God what a horrible pass by Filppula. They had something going there.
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Interference on Janne Niskala. Kind of a soft call.
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USA 2-0 FIN
Parise on the rebound. Power play goal.
This is going way better than I had any right to expect
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Dumb penalty by Lydman. 3-0 please.
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or the Slovaks,
we are not scared of them either!
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
USA 3-0 FIN
Jack Johnson, baby. Now I feel like I had a reason to be wearing this Michigan shirt.
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Let it be noted that I didn’t even get this up before we scored again.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
USA 4-0 FIN
Kane did that all by himself.
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I predicted three goals total. I didn’t even make it to the eleven-minute mark with that.
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Kiprusoff pulled after 4 goals on 7 shots. Finns have gotta be wondering why they insisted he came.
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USA 5-0 FIN
Kane again. Now I just feel bad for them.
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Don Cherry must be so pissed right now
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is this really happening? I just turned it on to see 5-0 on the scoreboard, with a replay of a goal making it 6-0. I missed 30 minutes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 26, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions
you didnt miss 30 minutes its still the 1st period!
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
well, I turned on at 330, but you’re right
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 26, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what my dad just called to say. I don’t know if you want him to lose his rhythm though (not that he’s getting much here).
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I would keep everyone going.
Let them get used to playing with confidence, dominance, and control
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
This Essure commercial is BIZARRE. Almost as much as the game.
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so if canada wins, and this game comes to its logical conclusion, is the US the home team on sunday?
wrap yer head around that one.
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Yeah, but I hear their teams represent pretty well even at away games
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
well, since we would be the higher seeded team, wouldn’t we be the home team? makes a difference, getting that last line out there for matchups and such.
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I think we would get to chose the jerseys too
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty solid batting average, eh?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Now is not the time for fearless shot blocking, McGuire. Let that stuff by you.
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I am breathlessly awaiting the Mike Milbury Eurotrash comments validating his comments from Wednesday night after the game.
I don’t want to look past the Slovaks, but damn am I cheering for a rematch on Sunday.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
I’ve spent this period finding this on eBay.
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the problem is now 1/2 of Broad street hockey will be outbidding each other for such bootie as that
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not gonna lie, I kinda like the official one better…. and nothing prevents multiple BSH readers from purchasing from the store, so we don’t have to outbid each other….
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Good call there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Except shipping is killer expensive, so people would be better off trying to grab the same one off ebay (it is available there) or combine orders with others to get the shipping down…. $15 to ship an $8 pin is pretty bad
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I am hoping tonights game against Slovakia is as anti-climatic as this one. I guess the Fins need to join the Russians in red square and get shot as well.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions
Look at all those Canadian jersey wearing fans watching the game.
They are so quiet
I wonder what they must be thinking?
Why are they not having fun
I actually can’t understand the mentality of the Canadian fans. I’ve been cheering for the US since Sunday’s beat down of the Canadians. I want a rematch. I’d be going crazy right now.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
A hot team is a scary team. When Gold is all that will do, you want the path of least resistance.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
yes, but what is more satisfying? Beating a bunch of “eurotrash” guys or beating the guys that just humbled you in your own barn a week ago? I’ll take the later please.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
*victory over the Canadians.
I enjoyed the win as much as anybody, but let’s not overstate and act like we owned the game or anything. Especially not with there being such a good chance at a rematch coming up. Canada’s still scary good, no matter how many we score against Finland and no matter how bad we may or may not have won the first game.
Still, we’re gonna crush yous on Sunday. =p
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to crosscheck that blinking little toad. God he is such a worm
by MadmanSamCarcillo on Feb 26, 2010 4:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So of the two teams that play in the gold medal game, does the loser take silver, bronze or walks away with nada?
Loser gets silver, and then Finland and the loser of tonights game play for the Bronze tomorrow
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we can get to hear even more tomorrow night.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
We are going to have to wait till Sunday
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
the Canadians need to take care of business tonight!
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 26, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions
Mike Milbury has just drastically altered my rooting interests in the game later tonight. He said at the end of the broadcast that if Slovakia wins, he will NOT show up on Sunday.
Go Slovakia!…….Even if it will mean seeing Joe Micheletti doing a slurp-fest interview with Gaborik after the game….
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Crosby opened the game with a big dive, which I gotta say has dampened my pro-Canadian sentiments early.
Plus Branko Radivojevic was awesome.
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And they have Marcel Hossa of Dinamo Riga. There is still a chance that a hockey medal ends up in Latvia!
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Their leading scorer no less. We need him to defect mid-medal ceremony.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 26, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Every time people get hopeful that Crosby may have outgrown all that diving he did as a rookie, he proves them wrong by doing it again
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
So what is logic with the stick height rule and scoring a goal. Is it a high stick and therefore illegal which negates the goal or is it something else?
yeah.
If you have the part of the stick that touches the puck above the height of the crossbar it is considered a high-stick and would negate any goal scored in that matter.
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
This is the rule from the NHL 2009-10 rulebook, obviously it’s not the Olympic one but it should be the same here:
78.5 Disallowed Goals – Apparent goals shall be disallowed by the
Referee and the appropriate announcement made by the Public
Address Announcer for the following reasons:
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(vi) When the puck has entered the net after making contact with an
attacking player’s stick that is above the height of the crossbar.
Where the puck makes contact with the stick is the determining
factor. See 39.4(vi).
For reference, 39.4(vi) reads:
39.4 Situations Subject to Video Review – The following situations are subject to review by the Video Goal Judge:
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(vi) Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an
attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is
where the puck makes contact with the stick in relation to the
crossbar. If the puck makes contact with the portion of the stick that is
at or below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal
shall be allowed.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
So is that the measure for a high stick anywhere on the ice or is that height an exception for the aforementioned stituation?
That’s the measure for a disallowed goal, not for the penalty. According to the NHL rule book it’s totally different sections and they don’t seem to be linked, no where does one paragraph refer to the other.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
//Laughs
Or you just need to look it up constantly, like I do. I’m an engineer, not a lawyer.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Software by trade, everything mechanical by interest.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, there was supposed to be an “and” in the middle there
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Rule 60 – High-sticking
60.1 High-sticking – A "high stick" is one which is carried above the height
of the opponent’s shoulders. Players must be in control and
responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental
contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or
follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off. A
wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal
windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the
height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.
(How bad is it that I have the PDFs of the rulebook and CBA on my desktop because I refer to them so often?)
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
So my thinking about the difference is perhaps that the goal high stick might set that height because that is close to the eyeline of the goalie and might interfere with their ability to follow the play….Is their a goalie in the house?
Whoops
So my thinking about the difference is perhaps that the goal high stick might set that height because that is close…
should read
So my thinking about the difference is perhaps the goal high stick sets that height because it is close……
There’s a longer section “Rule 80 – High sticking the puck” which sort of reiterates what is said in the disallowed goals section, breaking down all the different possible situations where the puck is touched by a high stick (batted to a teammate, batted to an opponent, where the face off happens if there’s a whistle, etc). But nothing in that section gives any indication of the reasoning behind using the crossbar for evaluating goals and a player’s shoulder for everywhere else on the ice.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
It’s amazing sometimes how much more enjoyable a game can be to turn off the NBC announcers and listen to neutral ones instead…. even if the neutral ones aren’t the best, it’s still so refreshing not to hear them praise certain players every 3 seconds
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions
A close second were the curling announcers. They just about jinxed it for the Canadian women’s team tonight…
I turned the NBC ones off around the end of the first, I’m watching on the TV but I’m listening to a stream from Europe to hear their announcers
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the same link Travis posted last week to help Todd watch one of the games since he couldn’t see it in NZ, it was nhlbroadcast.blogspot.com, then just find the one for this game that’s in English
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
What’s the Canada Slovakia score?
by MadmanSamCarcillo on Feb 26, 2010 10:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Isn’t it funny that half of them are NHL refs? Maybe the IIHF are helping facilitate the “let them play” mentality that’s been going on, though
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, that was supposed to say “IIHF refs”, I left the word refs out of there
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
watching Hartnell take stupid penalties for no reason is really going to irk me too after watching smart hockey
by Prometheus74 on Feb 26, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I love how at the same time I read your statement I turned the volume back up on the TV to hear “smart hockey” as the very first words I could hear JR say. It was pretty funny timing
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but your getting a consistent sample unless they ship in new refs….meaning if you have a group of refs. that normally embrace the “let it play” mentality then that’s what you’ll have throughout the games.
You’re right, it’s the same group of refs the whole time. They’re picked in advance, so they aren’t switching them out in the middle of the games
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, that Versus NHL commerical has that cool song and I can understand that shot of Crosby lifting the Cup as much as I’d rather pass a kidney stone than watch it, but the kid with the Crosby shirt shooting pucks at the dyer….no, that is unacceptable ego stroking.
Did they just show that? I’m flipping back and forth, but I really don’t like that commercial
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Canada has not looked that great this game, but Slovakia has been borderline pathetic. How many opportunities is Stumpel going to blow with dreadful passes?
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Okay, I’m back to hockey, we got the bronze in the speed skating relay but just barely
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions
Men. If Ohno wasn’t as good as he is we wouldn’t have been able to sneak in for that bronze at all
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well the bronze the women won in the short track relay was pretty lucky. They were not even in that race. I thought the South Koreans got jipped with that call. Apparently the judge had to be relieved of duty because of death threats from South Koreans….After hearing what the S Korean figure skater said about the national shame she’d endure bringing home anything less than a gold medal I guess all the stuff Margret Cho critizes Koreans for has a kernel of truth. Zoiks
I missed that whole situation with the women’s relay, wow
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
It was really bad…I felt for the South Korean skaters….I mean there’s only so much they can do so close together skating at 35 mph. Plus there was no intent and she had the Chinese skater beat
The men was more of an incredibly close photo finish, the US really had no chance
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hey the Slovaks are on the board…. was that going to be a delayed penalty if they didn’t score?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions
Sheesh, it is lucky for Luongo that he was already down
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions
Holy crap, this is going to be an interesting 4 minutes
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions
I saw that it was Zednik, finally. No major harm done, at least.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god I thought Slovakia scored there for a second, how did that not go in!?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions
I think Luongo got a piece of it, so I would credit the hockey gods with that one. Wow.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Man
I really thought they were going to put one in there.
The Slovakians put up a hell of a fight there… they might have the advantage in the bronze medal game, I don’t know
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions
Darn, I didn’t see it. Describe it I’ll try to find it on youtube
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Montage style in slo mo:
shots of guys at a bar watching a game and cheering , shots of guys watching a game at home on their couch, shot of Crosby lifting the Cup, a boy in his basement with a Crosby shirt on shooting pucks at a dyer, various hockey action…last shot is of a Flyer actually ( i think it’s the last one…we’re represented though)
Sounds like it’s a mash up of a whole bunch of other VS commercials
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I found it, I think. The only part that bothered me was the part where I think that’s supposed to be a female fan in an Ovechkin jersey trying to walk through the bar and getting pushed around and nearly knocked over… I didn’t get the point of it, but I’m not sold that they were trying to be offensive. Some of the other promos they’ve had feature obvious female fans, like the ones they were showing back in December.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 27, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
True female hockey fans are kind of used to being the minority. Not everyone would agree, but personally I’d rather be overlooked than be lumped in with those women who only watch the game because “Sidney Crosby is hot” or whatever and actually want to buy those bizarre pink & while abominations they call women’s jerseys. The league currently doesn’t know how to market itself to women without resorting to that level.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 27, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Sidney Crosby is most definitely not hot. There aren’t a lot of hot guys in hockey. I agree with you that I’d rather be overlooked than made out to be a “puck bunny.” Ugh.
And pink jerseys—for any sport—and yes, I know proceeds go to breast cancer research (or so they say)—are a disgrace. Use the real colors and donate those proceeds to breast cancer research.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I was talking to a female friend about all the pink cleats and gloves and sweatbands NFL players used back in October during breast cancer awareness month. She made a really funny comment along the lines of “notice how you don’t see the NFL raising awareness to fight domestic violence (Domestic Violence Awareness month is also October). Of course the NFL partakes in breast cancer awareness month. Men love boobies! They would much rather raise awareness to protect boobs! Not to mention, numerous NFL players are guilty of domestic violence.”
I just though that was really funny and sadly true . . .
What does it say that Slovakia was dead for two periods against Team Canada, and yet, they were one terrible Demitra miss away from sending the game into overtime?
JR was right. Canada got lucky tonight.
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Pretty much the same thing he said when Latvia almost won in overtime. There have been some close calls in this tournament.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
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