Report: Flyers 'All But Out' Of Kovalchuk Talks
We've had a lot of debate around here over the last month or so about whether or not the Flyers should involve themselves in a trade for Thrashers superstar Ilya Kovalchuk.
Some have said that a deal to Philadelphia would only be for Kovalchuk as a rental, and that while there are obvious down sides to that, the secondary effect would be that the salary cap woes the Flyers currently face would essentially evaporate. Paul Holmgren and company would then have a lot more freedom in re-tooling the team this offseason.
The popular opinion, however, seems to be that while Kovalchuk is clearly a great player, he's also a defensive liability, and that it's not a guarantee that he would help the team in their chase for the playoffs and a Stanley Cup this season. Moreover, since just about every major, tradeable roster player has a no-trade or no-movement clause in his contract, it would take a number of solid prospects to get a deal done, seriously gambling with the future of the franchise.
It seems that the Flyers have made that realization. From CSNPhilly.com:
The Flyers, according to team sources, are "all but out" of the Ilya Kovalchuk sweepstakes.
Team sources have told CSNPhilly.com that signing Kovalchuk would "mortgage our future" beyond what the club is willing to pay. The all-star winger is scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent after this season.
Most of us probably had this figured out long before this report tonight, and that made it all the more confusing that numerous sources lately have said that the Flyers have still been in discussions for Kovalchuk.
We do know that he will be traded for sure, a fact we learned earlier today. At least now we know he won't be traded here.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Feb 3, 2010 7:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good. I really don’t wanna hear about him anymore. Much longer and it would have been Bouwmeester all over again.
by flyrsfrk05 on Feb 3, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whew. I hope that this is the end of it.
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by doubleh on Feb 3, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness — I was worried we might get tempted to reel in the big fish this year. As good as Kovy is, I doubt he would fit in Coach Lavy’s system.
by memphisbrando on Feb 3, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think we all can agree this was a good non-move.
on to edmonton.
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by psudrozz on Feb 3, 2010 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
okay so, don’t we still need a viable winger? is it feasible to find some one else of lesser talent for less money? Or do we still have to move guys to make the cap for this to happen?
by j reed on Feb 3, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All in favor of snagging Petr Sykora of waivers? He’s a good winger with a scoring touch.
by Parduno on Feb 3, 2010 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Sykora was bought out, not waived. If he’s willing to sign for a pro-rated $1.6M/1yr (the money Minnesota was paying him), I’d consider it.
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by The Dark on Feb 3, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure he was waived, he didn’t report to the AHL and then he was put on unconditional waivers. It’s the same thing that happened with Krajicek. It’s not a buy-out, they just have the right to terminate his contract as I understand it.
Nevertheless, yes. He’s a free agent.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid confusing CBA :P
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by The Dark on Feb 4, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want Kovalchuk on our team, but all this “we’re not interested” talk means nothing. We’ve given the farm away for single players in the past and Homer is so determined to win a Cup ASAP I wouldn’t put anything past him and his history of less than brilliant deals. I probably won’t breathe a sigh of relief until he’s traded to some other team, but my guess is he’ll probably end up on Chicago or somewhere else out west.
by Kanayd on Feb 3, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Snider said after the Forsberg debacle that there was to be no more trading the future away for a single player.
…Then he gave his blessing for Pronger’s acquisition.
by Ben Feldman on Feb 3, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We still kept JVR, Giroux, and other pieces of our future in that deal.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 3, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now… we didn’t just get a single player in that deal.
Ryan Dingle, baby, Ryan Dingle.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bob McKenzie just reported everything I predicted:
Philadelphia Flyers: The Flyers are another team that likes to chase the big game, but their cap situation is extremely tight and there’s a real legitimate question whether they have the desire or the cap space going forward to sign Kovalchuk to an extension. Still, Flyers’ GM Paul Holmgren has been talking a lot to Waddell. The names that keep popping up out of Philadelphia are forward Scott Hartnell and defenceman Matt Carle, both of whom are under contract for three years and two years, respectively, but Philadelphia would have to off-load more salary than that to make it
the Kings have not been prepared to offer the bona fide NHL players the Thrashers are seeking.
If Atlanta is going to do a deal with Los Angeles, the Thrashers want defenceman Jack Johnson as part of the package. Thus far, the Kings have rejected that notion entirely. The conventional wisdom is that the Kings could trade Johnson, centre Alexander Frolov and a prospect such as Ted Purcell (or one of their many other young prospects) for Kovalchuk and the deal would be done in the snap of the fingers.
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Therefore, to this point, the Kings want to do this deal primarily on the back of their prospects. As long as that is the case, the fit isn’t right.
Do it, do it, DO IT! It’s fucking simple! Kovalchuk to LA. Draft picks and prospects to the Flyers. Hartnell and Carle to Atlanta.
Everybody wins.
by MarioD on Feb 4, 2010 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There have been so many contradictory rumors and reports from the national guys in this whole debacle that I don’t believe ANY of it. Honestly.. not a word of it.
Besides, Hartnell has a NTC.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McKenzie very rarely reports rumors, in fact I think these are the first rumors he’s even reported. He’s very thorough and it seems pretty evident from the article that all of the information is from general knowledge, not from a rogue source or whatever.
by MarioD on Feb 4, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I generally respect his work and generally would agree with you, but he’s been just as off as everybody else in this mess.
Today for example, he contradicted himself within about two hours, saying that Calgary was in the hunt and then taking it back two hours later. All of the reporters are all contradicting each other too. I’d show examples but I’m extremely tired and I’ve been reading too much Kovalchuk stuff today to want to continue.
One of us at the SBN.com hockey page (maybe even me) are going to chronicle all of this tomorrow, though so I’ll drop that link here when it goes up.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, Hartnell has a NTC.
At the end of tonight’s game, he sure looked like someone who wouldn’t mind the first flight out of town.
by MarioD on Feb 4, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it’ll help, I’ll thrown in $50 for his ticket.
by Doug609 on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think new rumors have them asking for Carter and Carle, with a prospect or JVR/Giroux on top of that. But again, who really knows.
by Pondhockey on Feb 4, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprising that they’d ask that. But there’s no way they’re getting anything close to that.
by MarioD on Feb 4, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, not at all, and the thing that hinges on the deal your proposing is Hartnell’s NTC. Why would any player wave that to go play for a Kovy-less Thrashers.
by Pondhockey on Feb 4, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta has some nice warm weather. He seemed to have enjoyed playing in Nashville. The team he’s on now is a trainwreck. I mean, why would Kotalik have agreed to go from NYC to fucking Calgary?
by MarioD on Feb 4, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t exactly call a 6th place team a trainwreck, but whatever. Calgary probably has a better shot at the playoffs then the Rangers, although both teams are playing horribly right now. And Atlanta, once Kovy is gone will probably be the next team on the “Make It Seven” list. I mean Atlanta is just a horrible market for sports, let alone a sport that isn’t widely known by the general fans.
by Pondhockey on Feb 4, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The rumors won’t die until after the trade deadline.
“All but out” in my mind is “we can’t get him for peanuts, but we’re still thinking about possibilities.”
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by ajr142 on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I apologize, but… Ugh…
As strange as it may sound, Ilya to Philly could still happen. I believe JVR is the dealmaker or breaker at this point.
Anybody have any salt left? (Yes, it’s a really bad pun, but I just feel obligated to share this even though I don’t really want to.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This goes right back to the Flyers having an above average number of drafted players in the NHL, but the 6th fewest drafted players on their team. [link] It’s like they think they’re the effing Yankees, but the 2001-2008 Yankees, not the 1996-2000 Yankees.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he makes that deal, Homer should be fired on the spot. Not saying that JVR is Forsberg (although Giroux may be), but this would be a major mistake on the Flyers’ part that would most certainly come back to bite us in the butt. We should be looking to unload big contracts, not cost-controlled high-ceiling guys.
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by doubleh on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we make this deal I will cry.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 4, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tears of frustration and anger, not joy.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 4, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I asked Boruk why he and Panaccio (who work in the same freakin news room) have conflicting reports. I didn’t get an answer.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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