Ilya Kovalchuk traded to Devils
by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2010 8:54 PM EST
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He's not a Flyer, but we will be seeing a lot of him over the next few months.
Ilya Kovalchuk has been traded from the Atlanta Thrashers to the New Jersey Devils along with defenseman Anssi Salmela and Atlanta's 2010 second round pick. Heading south are defenseman Johnny Oduya, winger Nicklas Bergfors, prospect Patrice Cormier (of season-long suspension fame) and New Jersey's first and second round picks this season.
For a rental player that may or may not be in New Jersey after this July, it seems the Devils didn't give up too much, although the Thrashers certainly get some nice pieces in return.
Here's what John Fischer at In Lou We Trust has to say about the deal tonight:
Basically, the Devils just traded a talented defenseman who has been underperforming after signing his big contract with the team in the past summer (Oduya), a rookie forward who has hit the wall in the worst way and hasn't been able to get back on track in over a month (Bergfors), a prospect center who's been suspended for elbowing a player in the face and had upside of a two-way center to begin with (Cormier), and a first round pick that will be late anyway. All this for one of the best pure snipers in hockey.
Lou Lamoriello rules.
The Flyers have a home-and-home series with the Devils next week, so it'll be interesting to see how they welcome him to the division. He's obviously a dynamic player -- top five in the game today, probably -- and he clearly gives the Devils the offensive boost they need. The biggest question to me is how does Kovalchuk, a weak defensive player to say the least, fit into the defense-first style of hockey New Jersey employs?
For more reaction, check out SBNation.com, In Lou We Trust, and Bird Watchers Anonymous. Thanks as well to flyrsfrk05 for keeping us up on all the details as the trade went down this evening.
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Hey…don’t worry the Razor contract extension is coming real soon….
by j reed on Feb 4, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So I hear Halladay is already working out…
by j reed on Feb 4, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And Howard reported even slimmer than last year. Only a few more days ’til pitchers and catchers, baby!
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
by doubleh on Feb 4, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does New Jersey get a first rounder?
I thought I read somewhere that they were swapping second rounders, not first. I could be mistaken
by BigD19 on Feb 4, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I read they are giving up a 1st and 2nd rounder in this trade.
by EREX21 on Feb 4, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I read, New Jersey is giving Atlanta a 1st round pick and the two are swapping 2nd round picks.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
by JFein on Feb 4, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yupp, no problem. Glad to help out. As much as people hate twitter it was pretty sweet having all the info come in from the different sources.
Also, Kevin Allen added:
Note to Flyer fans: Jeff Carter was never offered, or I’m sure Atlanta would have jumped at him. Flyers wouldn’t move vanRiemsdyk either.
by flyrsfrk05 on Feb 4, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At least Homer’s keeping his story straight.
by Ben Feldman on Feb 4, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my bologna has a first name it’s Homer…
by j reed on Feb 4, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Homer had given up Carter or JVR for a rental, I would have thrown batteries at him. /mixing her Philly badfan metaphors
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
by doubleh on Feb 4, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Lou so much smarter than Homer??
by Crosby sucks on Feb 4, 2010 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lou dose not do whatever Clark says
by Prometheus74 on Feb 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me or is that robbery? How the hell does Lou pull magic out is ass so well?
by Leclairfan on Feb 4, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because he has assets worth giving up…and because like jreed said…he tried.
by EREX21 on Feb 4, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know but i dont think that they gave up alot for Kovy. Maybe its because Bergfors is having a bad season
by Leclairfan on Feb 4, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
translation:
jvr – giroux – bourdon – and a first rounder… (wait – do we have a first round pick to give?)
by fitzy first on Feb 4, 2010 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, not for, like, 2 or 3 years.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
by doubleh on Feb 4, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey but you may always pull a gem out of a late pick oh wait its the flyers nevermind
by Leclairfan on Feb 4, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When are we getting our hot-shot russian? probably when the russian bride market bottoms out…
by fitzy first on Feb 4, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Snider don’t like no commies on his team…oh, wait, you mean it’s not 1976 anymore?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
by doubleh on Feb 4, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not? We have an oft-injured player named Parent, don’t we?
by Ben Feldman on Feb 4, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe sarah palin can recommend to snider some quality Eskimo players
by fitzy first on Feb 4, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget about pavel brendl – call his agent
by fitzy first on Feb 4, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Da …you want I should get you a Kalashnikova….
by j reed on Feb 4, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the bright side is, we no longer have to hear about who is going to win the Ilya Kovalchuk sweepstakes every two minutes. Downside, he is going to the Debbies.
I hope this blows up in their face.
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
by jello44 on Feb 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think we will pick him up this summer?
by Prometheus74 on Feb 4, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it, we don’t have the space, and he is rumored to be wanting the league max, which is 11.2 million.
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
by jello44 on Feb 4, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no way he gets that. He’ll definitely get between 7 and 10, but noone has the cap space to do that and win.
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree, there’s no way any team is going to drop 1/5 of the cap on just one player. That would be crazy.
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
by jello44 on Feb 4, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree as well. I brought it up just to perpetuate the insanity
by Prometheus74 on Feb 5, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In GVT terms:
Going to Atlanta:
Bergfors (4.0)
Oduya (0.9)
Cormier, 1st, 2nd
Going to New Jersey:
Kovalchuk (12.5)
Salmela (1.0)
1st
No wonder John is dying laughing.
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Devils just became a dark horse in my book. This trade was horrible news for us. All the Devils did was dump off some mediocre talent for a Top 5 forward.
BTW the devils have the second best goal differential in the conference. Oduya wasn’t contributing to that……at least not positively. This may be the highlight of his career, getting traded for Kovy….lol.
I honestly give them the decision over the Pens in a series, hands down now. Caps still are tricky, but if Marty had a good series they get by them too.
Us? At this point, not even worth commenting, sorry.
by Dinky on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just became? They’re my pick to win the conference without that trade.
If Paul Marting in fact comes back a few games before the Olympic break and gets all of this timing and coordination back (with the break there’s no doubt he’ll be able to get his conditioning back before the break is over) they are a beast.
by MarioD on Feb 4, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agreed. They scare me A LOT and it’s clear they wanna win one more before Marty retires.
Losing Oduya hurts them to an extent but they CLEARLY make up for any loss with Kovalchuk.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that sucks.
But when you have a GM who has build 3 Stanley Cup winners in the past 15 seasons, and who has a team who is perennially in the thick of things (like the Flyers used to be), and who somehow has had his team at or near the top of his division for the past 15 years, you trust that GM’s ability to draft prospects.
Therefore, it’s only fitting that Atlanta accepted a quasi-star defenseman, a promising rookie, a promising prospect, and draft picks from New Jersey. The Flyers had neither the parts, prospects, nor picks to get something like this done. Plus, the Devils can afford to give up one of their top defensemen because they still have Martin Brodeur in net, and Salmela should be familiar in playing with those guys since he was a Devil originally.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Flyers had neither the parts, prospects, nor picks to get something like this done.
That seems the genral consesus among all of you peeps that know the game very well. So I’ll go with it….plus understanding the cap system is now a 2 credit course at hockey college and I’m not there yet. Many rightfully predicted that Kovi wouldn’t wear the orange and black but to have him end up on Archenemy Part Deux just looped me. It ‘s such a big move and we’re just sitting here, limped dicked and need something…Shock and Awe. And now just impotence is the only word to describe to describe this crappy patty of a trade.
by j reed on Feb 4, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey look, one of my favorite players is going to the team I despise the most. As if it doesn’t get worse, My fantasy superstar is going to a team that defines offense as " something that happens here and there." woo-hoo
"NO HONOR"
by JpH89 on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As for Holmgren...
… I agree he needs to be fired. Not because he didn’t get this specific deal done, but because he COULDN’T if he wanted to. And that is mostly his fault.
Snider and Luukko had best be looking for some non-organizational soldiers if they want a chance to win anything.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 4, 2010 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is he actually allowed to make decisions or is he still following orders?
by Prometheus74 on Feb 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope the Devils lose in the first round. Not even because Im a Flyers fan, just because the irony would be hillarious.
But seriously, if they dont win it all, they just gave up a nice sum for nada.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He may re-sign there after all. You never know. Or he may pull a Hossa.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 4, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
… and sign with the team the Devils lose to in the Finals?
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But then that means the Devils will win the cup next year!!
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Boston is already booked to fulfill destiny and lose in the SCF
by Prometheus74 on Feb 5, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They didn’t have Conklin, he is the missing piece.
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
by jello44 on Feb 5, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They have zero offense. They could’ve really used Kovalchuk… I’m not sure they even make the playoffs.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I know why Homer kept inquiring about Kovy so much — he knew the price was dirt cheap and that the conference rivals were willing to pay it. If Homer had the cap space, I bet he could have made a deal without giving up a premium player off the roster.
Not good from a Flyers’ fan’s perspective, but just think if you’re a die hard Thrashers’ fan. This trade is even worse than the Hossa deal. I might just head over to the ATL blog to take in the negativity for a while.
by memphisbrando on Feb 4, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At the same time, we don’t have that first round pick to give away. ATL would’ve wanted something to compensate for that.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank god that bullshit is over, i agree with the fact that Homer needs to be fired but i seriously would’ve beat him up if he had traded JVR or Giroux. Heres my biggest thing, im not entirely sure emery has proven himself worthy for a contract extension. while hes been playing better, it just seems that the team plays 10xs better around Leighton all the while leighton playing well himself. the biggest difference i see between the two is rebounds, emery just lets puck bounce off him, and leighton seems to swallow most of the pucks that come his way.
BTW Dear Flyers, GET RID OF COBURN!!!
thank go this kovy thing is over
by sjuhawks42 on Feb 4, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coburn has been fine recently.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 4, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for giving him a qualifying offer and taking the picks if someone is willing to pay him.
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. I don’t think he deserves too much of a raise and I wouldn’t give him one.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine and good, but let’s not move him for the sake of moving him before that. Let’s just get the picks and move on.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 5, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SO IT IS TRUE
Ed Wade, once Phillies GM and now Astro GM, known only to family as Ed Waddel, finally reunited with long lost brother Don Waddel to broker this blockbuster trade that included Russian NHL superstar Ilya Kovalchuk for exclusive rights to every Chilly Willy the Penguin cartoon Walter Lantz made and pair lederhosen supposedly worn by Rudolph Hess.
by j reed on Feb 4, 2010 11:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So Who Then?
What forward do the Flyers go after now and who do they give up?
by rvd420pete on Feb 5, 2010 7:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Alexei Ponikarovsky from the Leafs?
56GP, 19G, 20A +3 on the Leafs.
Send Burke back some of our truculent forwards or D eg Asham, OKT (if Burke will take them)
Only problem is that he is another left wing
by ToddtheFox on Feb 5, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Hartnell playing RW for the time being, that shouldn’t be too big of a problem. Powe can shift around.
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching him when the Flyers last played and being impressed. Defensively responsible but can still score.
$2.5 mil may be pricey but he’s a UFA at the end of this year.
by ToddtheFox on Feb 5, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Whitney is available but if we weren’t willing to pay Knuble$2.25 mil why would we go after a guy who is older and wants a 3 yr extension and pay him more ($3.5 mil)?? Now that said watch him become a Flyer, please Homer don’t do it. We don’t have any assets you already burned them up
by Crosby sucks on Feb 5, 2010 8:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My Two Cents (for what it's worth)
Is that the Devils gave up too much for what I think is a rental. I don’t see the Devils signing him long term after the season.
Great job by In Lou We Trust of downplaying the players they gave up. There is a lot of young talent going to the ATL much like our beloved front office has been doing for 15 years. Hopefully Bergfors, Cormier and Oduya make the Devils pay like we seem to have to when our former players come back.
by boknows71 on Feb 5, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good trade for the Devils. I like it. They gave up some spare parts, probably left them a little thin on the blue line (especially with Paul Martin’s injury), but they have always been able to compensate with d-men for some reason. I suppose because Marty makes them look so good.
Bad news for us that the Devils got some offensive help, but I don’t think this makes them infinitely more scary. They are still the devils and they are always tough for us to beat regardless of who is playing for them.
Managing Editor - HockeyOutsiders.com
by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 5, 2010 9:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Right, but they don’t have the same spell over us that they used to have. We used to be lucky to beat them once or twice a year tops; now we’re splitting the season series at worst. Things really changed once we beat them in the playoffs in 2004.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 5, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but they have always been able to compensate with d-men for some reason. I suppose because Marty makes them look so good.
Precisely the reason. As I said earlier, they are at least getting some familiar assistance back with the return of Salmela. No Johnny Oduya/Paul Martin he, but he’s at least familiar with the players (albeit not the system since he played under Sutter and not Lemaire).
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 5, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem of course, is that Washington, Pittsburgh and New Jersey are all head and shoulders better constructed than we are at this moment.
The only thing I’m cheering for is that we get to play Buffalo in round 1 (assuming we make it). However, there is probably no chance in hell that we’re beating any of the teams above, unless they somehow manage to lose to the 7 or 8 seed.
Back to the drawing board Homer. Thanks for f’ing up another promising season by your inability to manage the cap, putting your eggs in the basket of career AHL’ers and cheaping out on your most valuable position, goaltending.
Managing Editor - HockeyOutsiders.com
by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 5, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s why teams like Washington, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo can improve their needs in areas outside of goaltending: They all drafted quality goaltenders.
Looking back at the past twenty Stanley Cup winners, ten of them had goalies they drafted originally:
- 1989 – Calgary Flames (Mike Vernon)
- 1993 – Montreal Canadiens (Patrick Roy)
- 1994 – New York Rangers (Mike Richter)
- 1995 – New Jersey Devils (Martin Brodeur)
- 1998 – Detroit Red Wings (Chris Osgood)
- 2000 – New Jersey Devils (Martin Brodeur)
- 2003 – New Jersey Devils (Martin Brodeur)
- 2006 – Carolina Hurricanes (Cam Ward)
- 2008 – Detroit Red Wings (Chris Osgood)
- 2009 – Pittsburgh Penguins (Marc-Andre Fleury)
Of the remaining ten teams, five had goalies they acquired as part of long-term plans:
- 1991 – Pittsburgh Penguins (Tom Barrasso)
- 1992 – Pittsburgh Penguins (Tom Barrasso)
- 1996 – Colorado Avalanche (Patrick Roy)
- 2001 – Colorado Avalanche (Patrick Roy)
- 2007 – Anaheim Ducks (Jean-Sebastien Giguere)
Four of the other five went the way of free agency to sign “that really good goaltender” who had either won before or was never on a “good enough” team:
- 1997 – Detroit Red Wings (Mike Vernon)
- 1999 – Dallas Stars (Ed Belfour)
- 2002 – Detroit Red Wings (Dominik Hasek)
- 2004 – Tampa Bay Lightning (Nikolai Khabibulin)
The only team left (the 1990 Edmonton Oilers) had a pleasant surprise in Bill Ranford. Talk about someone who got hot at the right time.
This is my really long-winded way of echoing your sentiment about goaltending. The Flyers have tried to be like these last 5 teams (free agency/hoping for a diamond in the rough) instead of the first 15.
That’s a paddlin’.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 5, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I respect the Devils, even when they were smoking us(still are but back in the late 90s early 00s) and winning cups I never outright hated them the way I did the Pens. Simply because they were such a well run organization, and pretty much along with Detroit a model franchise. Never needed a #1 pick, and quite frankly after watching them last year I’m not so sure that they couldn’t have won a cup even if they had never had Brodeur.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Feb 5, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly how I feel about them. Can’t hate a team that is run the right way. I have no respect for a team that blows for a decade and stock piles top picks but rather a team that can consistently be good year in and year out while having roster turn over like the Devils have.
by EREX21 on Feb 5, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Devils have been to the 1990s and 2000s what the Flyers were to the 1970s and 1980s.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly I was born in 84 so I never experienced that.
by EREX21 on Feb 5, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was born in 1976 so I experienced the 1980s part.
The 1970s, not so much.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was born in ‘83, so I’m right there with you. Closest thing I have from my childhood is a memory of every spare surface in my entire middle school being covered in orange paper & decorations at the end of the ’97 season….
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 5, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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