Nick Boynton on Re-Entry Waivers: Grab Him
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 2:11 PM EST
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As reported by Bob McKenzie and linked to by MarioD, Anaheim has placed defenseman Nick Boynton on re-entry waivers today.
This is really simple to understand (Mario put it quite nicely) so follow along: Boynton will only cost the Flyers $750,000 on their cap hit, and that is prorated out. He has a $7,772 daily cap hit, and there are only 66 days left in the season. That means Boynton will only cost the Flyers $512,952. That is dirt cheap.
Now, according to CapGeek.com, the Flyers can only pick up a season-long contract valued at $184,476. This is very complicated due to LTIR, daily calculation, proration, and all that junk, but to put it very simply: The Flyers are adding a $750,000 contract with essentially $184,000 in room. Waive Ole-Kristian Tollefsen ($600,000) and you have $34,000 of cap cushion. You still have 9 defensemen on your team, so when they get healthy, that very little cap space is not a problem.
Because Boynton is easily an upgrade over OKT - let alone Danny Syvret and Lukas Krajicek - Paul Holmgren would be an idiot to not at least put a claim in. This doesn't mean the Flyers would succeed in their claim, though. According to Pension Plan Puppets (and this just backs up my previous knowledge), waiver priority is determined by lowest possible points percentage. Unfortunately, the Flyers are currently 15th in that category (excluding Anaheim).
Still, this is a no-brainer: Boynton would cost slightly more than Krajicek and he's actually a #4-5 defenseman. Having a defense of:
Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Krajicek
Coburn-Boynton
is a lot better than what they have now.
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problem where are we in terms of 50 pro player contracts other than that I am with you 100% shit waive Cote too if we have to
only if they’re lost on waivers
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Noone. But it doesn’t matter, they can claim him without going over the contract limit.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
If they do this...
… I would keep Bartulis as the 7th defenseman. Waive Tollefsen, send Syvret down to the Phantoms, and do the same with Parent. Both Danny and “Bernie” will need some conditioning anyway after being out for long stretches.
If they don’t do this, it would be for one of three reasons:
1. The Flyers are not high enough on the waiver priority list.
2. Paul Holmgren has other plans for that cap space (i.e., acquiring a scoring forward as he claims to be trying to do)
3. Paul Holmgren sucks.
All three are plausible. While I’d love to see Boynton in orange and black, it is possible that it won’t happen. No one is to blame for the first scenario; it’s just the way things are. The second scenario would be fine if Homer gets his scorer. Only the third scenario would be unforgiveable (although entirely possible).
Honestly, if it came down to getting Boynton or getting a scorer, I’d rather we get a scorer. I can live with our defense as it is, so long as Tolly or Syvret is not a regular part of it. Boynton would be a good upgrade for sure; if Homer can get him and still make a trade for a decent scorer, that would be ideal.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
As for scenario 2: Getting a scorer would push someone off the roster (they have 22 healthy players, plus OKT, Parent, and Syvret) so while they could add a scorer and not Boynton, they couldn’t afford to add a scorer without dropping someone anyway – since they can’t afford Boynton without dropping someone.
Again, the way the cap is structured, who knows what exactly the situation is. With all those players on LTIR, the team is allowed to go over the cap by the amount the injured players make, but as soon as they come off the team has to get back under.
Basically, Homer effed up the cap so much that anybody they add requires losing someone. Add Boynton, drop OKT. Add a scorer, drop someone.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
The only issue I see is if Emery is hurt again—there are enough rumors floating around about him “retweaking” something, that I wouldn’t be too quick to drop Boosh just yet.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I would have agreed with you if Leighton had not shown that he can be pretty good when given the opportunity.
But if Emery’s hurt and can’t play, who backs up Leighton?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
The chain reaction starts: Backlund in the NHL; Grahame the starter in Adirondack, call up Riopel (from QMJHL) to back him up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
haha, Riopel is supposed to be very good and having a great season. So is Backlund in the AHL.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you completely. I would like to see Backlund get a chance in the NHL, not for a long period of time but I wouldn’t be too concerned with him as the backup for Leighton if Emery were to get hurt again. Who knows, maybe Backlund will be the back up to Emery for the next 6 years, even if Emery sucks because he will probably have a NTC/NMC.
I’m not sure if Riopel can come back to the pro ranks once he’s been sent down to junior. He might have to finish his junior season first.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Well that would throw a wrench in things. Up comes Michael-Lee Teslak then.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
but Bouch has a cap friendly contract for the next two years. I would rather trade him, if we could but if not I guess waiving him isn’t the worst thing ever.
oh, if only we had like $1MM more in cap space…oh wait, we did, until some genius decided to try to bring back Randy Jones.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 5, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I havent heard of him much this year but he has 31 damn points. WTF 8 and 14 points with us the last 2 seasons
But my favorite Randy Jones stat:
GFON/60: 3.05
GAON/60: 3.37
GFOFF/60: 2.05
GFON/60: 2.26
So, he adds a goal of offense to the team, but also adds 1.11 goals against to the team. Is it really worth it?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
2 is not a viable explanation because the move wouldn’t take up any cap space.
They already have no cap space as it is. They’d just be swapping Bartulis for Boynton on the roster.
If they want to get a forward, the cap space has to come from someone on the roster, not from thin air.
the problem is that #2 is a viable explanation because Homer has his head so far up his ass, he’s probably solely fixated on adding a scorer that he doesn’t realize he can upgrade his defense by simply waiving OKT. I guess that’s really #3.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 5, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
haha, exactly. Which is why I unrealistically said in Mario’s fanshot that someone needs to explain this to Homer like he’s a 6 year old. Because something tells me he doesn’t understand he’d be swapping a defenseman, not adding a 10th.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I understood what you meant, no worries. And I understand that the Flyers would have to drop someone on the existing roster in order to get someone new, whether “drop” means “put on waivers” or “trade.”
To clarify what I was saying regarding scenario 2: Say Homer has his eyes on Scorer X who makes roughly $1,175,000 more than Scott Hartnell. Say that Scorer X’s GM only wants Hartnell in return for Scorer X. In such a scenario, the Flyers could not afford Boynton even if they waived Tollefsen.
Not necessarily likely, but still possible.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But in that case, you’d just waive OKT for the hartnell transaction and now you’d have $475k in cap space. Now you can demote Bartulis’ $517k cap hit, claim Boynton, and have $242k in cap space in case someone gets the flu.
can someone who knows something about Boynton describe him I don’t know much about this guy, pick a D-Man from Flyers past or something as comparison
you don’t really need to know much except he’s better than OKT and Syvret
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by HockeyOutsiders on Feb 5, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
It’s 48 hours on the weekends, 24 during the week.
They’re processed at 12 noon ET each day, so if he went on re-entry waivers today at noon, teams have until 12 noon Saturday to claim him. If he went on tomorrow, teams would have until noon ET on Monday to claim him.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
This where Cap systems are cheesy and teams that have legit playoff chances can get bit….once the guy is on waivers it should be whoever wants him….Teams that put out a decent product and bring in revenue for their team and the NHL by proxy should be allowed to out bid one another. There’s parity and then there’s 1984. Waiver rankings make sense in baseball where there isn’t a cap and except for closers and SPs there’s tons of journeymen players out there anyway that you can find as a stop gap . With a cap you have little margin for error.
I don’t understand your complaint of the cap.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I am assuming the waivers list is done by standings. Worst goes first…best goes last. why is their a waiting list for players on waivers…the cap is restrictive enough and its a device used to ensure parity unless it the NBA.. The waiting list is another form of parity.
That’s not exactly how it works. If you put in a waiver claim on a guy, you get him. If two or more teams try to claim the same player, he goes to the team with the lowest points percentage.
It’s the same way in all fantasy sports leagues, for what that’s worth (nothing).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter if nobody else claims him.
Nobody did when he was on regular waivers, so they very well may not when he’s on re-entry.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
If you click the link in the story going to Pension Plan Puppets, they give a great recap of waiver rules.
But basically, we’ll use the Randy Jones example. In order to send him to the Phantoms this year, they had to place him on waivers. He can’t go to the AHL (and leave the Flyers cap) without going through waivers due to his veteran and contract status. No team claimed him. The Flyers try to call him up from the Phantoms, but because he had to go through waivers to get there, he has to go through “re-entry waivers” to come up. At this point, he’s available at half-price. When L.A. claimed him, they were tied for third most points in the league (not sure what their points% was) so Jones got through a good amount of teams.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
When L.A. claimed him, they were tied for third most points in the league (not sure what their points% was) so Jones got through a good amount of teams.
NO. He only passed through three teams.
Waiver order is determined by the previous season’s standings until November 1st. The only teams that passed on Jones were the Islanders, Tampa, and Colorado.
Oh, good call. Totally forgot about that caveat.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
From Gramps article:
Holmgren said Flyers have about $900,000 cap room as they search for a scoring upgrade at forward.
My question is: WHAT? Then he should DEFINITELY be able to add $150,000 in salary for the Boynton/OKT swap.
I think this takes mikefive’s number two out of the equation.
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Posting that about Jones made me look this up. Nick Boynton:
GFON/60: 2.34
GAON/60: 2.13
GFOFF/60: 2.63
GAOFF/60: 3.00
Compare to Oskars Bartulis (who I like):
GFON/60: 2.16
GAON/60: 3.07
GFOFF/60: 2.28
GAOFF/60: 1.85
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For the Ducks to have already placed Boynton on recall waivers means some team has told the Ducks they will pick him up for half price. Hope it’s the Flyers.
But why would they volunteer to take on half of his cap hit to not play when they could take on none of his hit to not play?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
on the bright of Jones getting picked up was we cut a pro contract and have room to add guys if we still had Jones we would be at the 50 player limit not that I agree losing the cap space but maybe that had something to do with the decision
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