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Translation:
Do I want to keep playing him and push off surgery till the off season so that I can sign Emery to an extension, or do we rest him for the 3rd time this year, and then I sign him to an extension…which one will fans like more?
Clarkie back as GM is sounding better by the minute. Scary for sure, but maybe less scary than this. I’m getting to the point where I’m bracing for impact every time I hear anything from Homer or even navigate to this site and see the headlines, because I’m afraid of what I’m going to read next.
I’m saying I’d take Clarke back somewhat in jest…. but only somewhat. I’m really scared of Homer’s moves lately.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 9, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I know you’re joking, but is that actually something that has been mentioned as a possibility?
...prayers for Haitian victims, world leaders, and God's future for this country...
Haha, not exactly. It came up in last night’s game thread, and that discussion was fresh in my mind when this came up. It was a little nagging thought that popped up every once in a while in my mind when I thought things were really bad, and during the game last night someone else said they had the same thoughts, and I was relieved not to be the only one. It’s not really going to happen or anything.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 9, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Now that Kari Lethonen got traded to Dallas, it looks like Dallas is trading Turco and the Flyers are prime candidates for him. Depending on the price, I could live with that and Leighton as the backup. Anything to get rid of Emery.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
Yes, the Turco-to-Philly rumors have certainly spread like wildfire this evening. At this point, I want a younger guy like Halak (not happening, obviously) or perhaps even a Cory Schneider or a Jonathan Bernier (assuming the Kings are content with Quick for the longer-term, and I don’t see why they wouldn’t be happy with an Olympian, even if he’s been a bit up and down this year).
The good news is that Turco is UFA after the season though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t see it happening. It makes no sense. Turco has a cap hit of $5.4 mil. The Flyers would have to cut $4.5m in salary to make that deal.
The only way I see it at all possible is if its Carter/Emery for Eriksson/Turco.
I will say that I’ve been praying the “we want to sign emery long term” was just a bluff to bolster trade negotiations for another goaltender.
But if you’re going to acquire a $5m goalie, why not Giguere?
Oof. I didn’t realize Turco’s salary was so high.
Maybe if we can get Hartnell to waive his NTC and get Dallas to bite on Hartnell……I mean, it’s not like the Flyers have any long-term goalie solutions planned out. Why not take a rental and dump one of the worst players on the team in the process.
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Didn’t we have this discussion before? Since the cap is calculated daily, Turco’s cap hit isn’t nearly as high as that.
And the difference between Giguere and Turco is Marty’s pending UFA status. So they can sign Emery for next year, remember.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
That only works if the Flyers have cap space. We’ve established that they don’t.
So anytime I post a salary, just assume its that number over 193. And the common denominator cancels out for everybody.
His hit/193*~60 days left in the season is $1.77m.
Right now, the Flyers are projected to be $8k over the salary cap if they put JVR’s $800k against the cap next season (an awful awful idea that Holmgren will obviously do because he’s a moron).
That I understand. But I just wanted to clarify that the number the Flyers would look at is $1.77 (assuming your calculation is correct) not $5.4. That’s a big difference.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
But they can’t move JVR ($1.6m cap hit) for Turco and fit under the cap. I just always talk in total contract values because it’s easiest.
How’d you go back to $3.9m? I thought we were going off of $1.77m…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t follow…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
We can talk about cap hits in terms of the full hit, or the daily hit. As long as we use the same one of those two options, its always the same.
192 x (days left in season) is always going to be the same denominator to calculate the remaining salary on the contract. ie: Every player under contract with an NHL has a common denominator. Therefore, we can just disregard it.
But it’s:
[(Yearly Cap Hit)/192] * Days left in the season
While the denominator is the same (192), the formulation is different. Turco:
$5.7m/192 * 62 days left in the season = $1.84m
If you go off what CapGeek says is Turco’s daily cap hit ($29,534) he is only owed $1.83m over the rest of the season. That’s all he would theoretically cost the Flyers.
So they’d have to find that much space.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s an interesting claim. Let’s not take it for anything more than we should, but if you take on Turco’s expiring contract and are able to get out from under Briere’s… obviously Danny’s been a very key part of the offense this year (much moreso than many of us expected from him, I think), but freeing up the $6.5m hit we thought would be near-impossible to lose might be a hell of a way to start a retool.
I’m a little bit on the fence, honestly. Danny’s cap hit is way too high, but sadly I like him better than Turco right now, so what to do? But he’s got the NMC, do we honestly know if he would waive it for Dallas?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 9, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a second rumor that Hartnell could be involved, so who knows what’s really happening anyway.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 9, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t find any actual mention of this on CSN or from a CSN twitter, but Brandon from DefendingBigD tweeted that Homer told CSN he doesn’t want to trade for Turco…. As usual, it’s all speculation anyway
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 9, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I just did the same thing. But that was Travis telling Brandon that.
Problem is, Travis heard it on Sportsnite but can’t corroborate what he heard…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, that’s what I get for paying attention to here and not watching Sportsnite, I guess
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I wasn’t watching either… damn the Finer Things Club
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Same. But again, almost all GMs will say the same thing.
Stars GM said Turco isn’t on the block, they’re going with three goalies for the time being (according to Puck Daddy)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Re: trades and stuff all GMs are the same, and should be.
But most aren’t so blatantly untruthful about injuries and such.
Well injuries are different. There, I agree 100%
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I would be down with moving Danny or Harts but not Carter depending on who we got at Forward in return we obviously don’t have enough forward depth to lose a forward without getting something back. I don’t like any of the forwards Dallas would be likely to move. I doubt they will move any of theiryoung guys like Neal or Eriksson.
If they trade for Turco, they are giving up on this season.
Or trying to save it. I mean, to a lot of people it may seem like that, but to even more people, Turco > Leighton.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Turco is better than Leighton.
But trading Briere for Turco doesn’t improve the team this year. It improves the team next year and every year until 2014.
Oh, no. But if all Dallas gave up was a prospect and a 4th for Lehtonen, Briere for Turco is hardly similar. I don’t believe the Briere rumors.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hartnell is more likely the guy they would want to move with all the LWs plus Hartnell has been really underperforming. Like I said I wouldn’t either one of those without getting someone back in return. Still think offense is the issue unless Emery is hurt really bad.
And Briere (shockingly) has been performing this year.
Besides, Hartnell could easily be replaced by Leino.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
12 goals > 4 goals. Unless Leino’s lack of stupidity makes up for the other 8 goals.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Turco?
What are the odds that Turco goes somewhere like Washington? They can’t depend on Threeorfour in the playoffs, and I doubt they’d go with Neuvirth either. I guess it depends on the status of Varlamov, or even Dallas’ plans for a backup. Do they have Alex Auld now?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Dallas has Lehtonen, Turco, and Auld now, yes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/2/9/1303564/stars-acquire-lehtonen-turco-to
Some details on this mess.
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