Thursday Morning Fly By: Cooke goes unpenalized, GM's look to change that
by Travis Hughes on Mar 11, 2010 11:19 AM EST
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Your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news...
- Last night's NHL scores... BUF 5, DAL 3 - NJD 6, NYR 3 - WSH 4, CAR 3 (OT) - CHI 3, LAK 2 (OT) - PHX 4, VAN 3 (SO)
- Previews of tonight''s game with the Boston Bruins from NHL.com, Sports Network, and The Boston Globe. Check out our SBN buddies at Stanley Cup of Chowder.
- No BSH Radio this week, sorry. Trivia will be included in next weeks show, as well.
- The Bruins are still furious about the Matt Cooke hit on Marc Savard. [Globe]
- Meanwhile, Arron Asham still contends that Cooke is a gutless punk. Not in as many words, but you know. [Delco Times]
- Cooke won't be suspended, and unfortunately, it's the right call. I totally agree here, sadly. [Down Goes Brown]
- Here's a look at both sides of the argument, however. [From the Rink]
- General managers voted unanimously yesterday to put a rule in place that would ban headshots... unless they're delivered from the front. [SBN]
- A fascinating look at the situation: should we treat head shots like high sticking? [SBN]
- Leighton will start again tonight. [Flyers] Thoughts on starting a 'FREE BOOSH' campaign, anyone? Similar to this... [Japers']
- Offensive dominance via goal scored percentage. Look at the second list... [Behind The Net]
- A quantified look at the Flyers' deadline screw-ups. [Puck Prospectus]
- How a U.S. Senate candidate in Oregon stole the Columbus Blue Jackets' logo. [Puck Daddy]
- T-SHIRTS! If you have any Flyers-related t-shirt ideas, let us know in ze comments.
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Cooke
The next Boston Pens games is going to get ugly way to go Campbell I still don’t understand this one.
Chiarelli will address the team regarding the lack of response.
"I was disappointed that there wasn’t a reaction. I was,’’ said Chiarelli, who traveled from Florida to Philadelphia yesterday. "But I want to talk to the team about it.’’
Hopefully we don’t have another Bertuzzi incident which was a retaliation for an knee on knee hit against Naslund. This league is retarded especially with that new rule which will now clearly allow’s Steven’s esque headshots. If I was Pronger or any guy over 6ft 4in I would be fully prepared to go for kill shots once the playoffs start, it is really easy to get your forearm into someone’s jaw without leaving your feet when you have the height advantage I will the NHLPA would grow some balls and try to protect its members and not approve that rule because it is going to much more harm than good.
in re: free Boosh…..
is this a measure to get him some playing time, or are you actively campaigning to replace leighton?
in either case, i really don’t want a goalie drama (some argue its already there) heading into the playoffs, for once.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
Boosh needs playing time. You wonder why he gets shelled when Leights gets pulled? It’s because all the action he’s seen has been in practice. Very hard to stay sharp under those conditions. Also for Leighton’s sake I don’t want him to get burned out right before the playoffs.
Set the Boosh Loose!!
-KreiderDesigns
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 11, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
That could be a t-shirt. “Set the Boosh Loose” or “Let Loose le Boosh” (double entendre, sort of as le bouche is mouth in French)
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I was gonna post something similar to this. I’d rock a “Free Boosh” T-shirt. Get the man to play some games! Not saying Leighton needs a rest, but it’s good to keep you backup playing once in a while to stay on top of his game.
I can read the future, while lesser men read comic books.
Yeah I’d totally rock that. My mom would even want one b/c Boosh is, in her words, “a cutie.”
Have to be careful about the wording though, we wouldn’t want it to read like we want to get RID of Boosh!
-KreiderDesigns
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 11, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Au nom du Père, du Fils et du Saint Esprit, Firme le Boosh.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
yeah, but here’s the rub-you wear a shirt with that slogan people will think you are campaigning for the replacement of leighton, when all you want is for leighton to get a breather and for bouch to get some PT.
I would suggest changing slogans. otherwise it might seem that the faithfull are leighton hatin’ (see what i did there)
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
So tired of the Cooke-Richards comparisons. Cooke has a history; it’s as simple as that—if Campbell was worried about “precedent”. Plus, Cooke had all day to target Savard’s head, whereas the Richards hit was sudden and quick. Also, Richie was penalized for the hit; Cooke got nothing because the officials weren’t paying attention.
This is why a new rule will change nothing; officials still have to see it and penalize it and then the league will have to review after the fact and judge accordingly. I just have no faith in the system that they will improve the process and handle it properly. Just remove the instigator penalty and “last 5 minutes” rule and be done with it.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Flyers T-Shirt Ideas
I’m sick and in a mood, so mine aren’t serious—just snark.
- Got goaltender? Searching since 1987.
- Snuggled up against the cap
- I went to a Flyers’ game and all I got was this lousy NTC
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
3rd one is full of win
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Ok, call me a newb but I don’t know what NTC is. Explain please?
-KreiderDesigns
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
No Trade Clause
Which we’re pretty sure all Flyers players get after 15 games of service. Or if you purchase a Santa Sack…
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
I get it now. Thank you!
-KreiderDesigns
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
i’m a big fan of the cougarlife.com ads.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Not sure how you can agree with DGB that Cooke didn’t deserve a suspension, since DGB even corrected his story to reflect that it was actually factually wrong and there are rules in the book already for just that situation. Here’s the correction which invalidates his entire article:
(Update: As commenters point out, there are match penalties for “attempts to injure an opponent in any manner”. So it’s wrong to say there’s nothing in the rulebook on this. That said, I can’t remember ever seeing a match penalty called on a hit that didn’t violate any other rule.)
Richards’ was assessed a penalty after his hit on Booth, wasn’t he?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
yes, that’s really my only problem with it. Cooke didn’t even get a penalty. Richards got ejected.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
So, essentially, the officials missed it. Cooke got away with it scott free. You cannot compare the two on any level, IMO. I don’t want to hear this “they set a precedent with Richards’ ruling” crap.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I’m still kind of shocked about it, and the license to kill granted to every bgi hitter for the remainder of the season…
Ah, I didn’t see that. I agreed with the original article, solely because I didn’t think Cooke broke any rules, much like DGB apparently thought. With that said, outside of an intent to injure, Cooke didn’t break any rules.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 11, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As I said in the update, I can’t remember any case where somebody was suspended based on intent to injure without breaking any other rule.
Technically the could have done it, but I still don’t think there’s a precedent here.
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 11, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I still maintain that trading for Vokoun could have made the difference this year, even at the expense of Jeff Carter.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions
By “the difference,” do you mean THE difference? I would still put as as an outside shoot at making a serious run, which is exactly where we are now. No reason the sacrifice Carter unless it substantially improves those chances.
yes, i mean “the difference” by having a legitimate shot at beating the Penguins/Capitals, since in my estimation, we’ll have to beat both teams in order to get to the finals. I don’t see us beating one of them (nevermind both) with Leighton/Boosh in net.
if Holmgren could have gotten a pick+Vokoun for Carter, it would have been worth it.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
yup, Vokoun is very, very underated. JW over at C&B published a goaltending analysis prior to this season based on the last 3 year’s of statistics. The best goalie in the league during that span, Mr. Tomas Vokoun. Best goalie this season, hands down, Mr. Vokoun. No single goalie has kept his team in more games that they deserved to lose.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I like this writeup about Vokoun from Puckdaddy:
Panthers fans are reminded of the Roberto Luongo(notes) days. That was when the team went out for a couple of beers, or seemed to, during the game while the goaltender stands on his head and steals a win on his own or at least keeps it close for when the guys get back. Despite a record of just 6-7-2 over the past few weeks, Vokoun has a stellar 1.98 GAA and 0.938 SP. Now that the team is actually providing a bit of offense (since the deadline), the wins are starting to come as well.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I love the hell out of Vokoun, and would have done it for any Carter/Richie/Roo/Rabbit-less deal. But it’s tough to argue anyone but Washington could be the favorite in the conference. I don’t necessarily think they’ll be coming out of the East with that marshmallow squad, but the best record in the league and a +75 have to be worth something.
I do think they would have been a better team, this year, with a Vokoun-Carter flop, keeping in mind that we have no idea how that locker room reacts to losing a popular guy and leading goal-scorer with a month left in the season. My gut feeling is, the same how it reacts to any negative stimulus: atrociously.
a fair opinion. leighton not giving up bad rebounds or being out of position on said rebound would probably reduce this teams’ GAA by 1 or so.
vokoun is 1-0-3 (2.41 GAA) against pitt this year
he is 0-2-1 (3.21 GAA) vs washington this year
leighton is 1-0 (4 GAA)against pitt,
he is 0-1 vs washington (3 GAA)
so yeah, i’d say the trade would more than work in our favor-carter’s goal production would be more than offset by a lower GAA
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
plus you have to factor in the fact that the team in front of Vokoun in FL is signifcantly worse than what we have in Philly (even without Carter)
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 11, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
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