Ray Emery (Officially) Out For the Rest of the Season
by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 2, 2010 4:09 PM EST
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According to the Flyers official website, Ray Emery is officially out for the rest of the season. This just confirms what many had already suspected as soon as Emery went on LTIR.
The one-year gamble in net only played in 29 games this season due to injuries. The Flyers' crease is now occupied solely by waiver pick-up Michael Leighton and Brian Boucher. Of course, that could change prior to tomorrow's 3 p.m. trading deadline.
Those numbers aren't very good, but Emery's season could be broken up into three sections: 1) From the beginning of the season until his injury; 2) When he played while hurt/recovering from injury; and 3) The games he played after recovering from injury.
First, from the season opener on October 2nd through November 16th, Emery played in 16 games. Through those 16, he went 11-4-1 with a 2.22 goals against average and 0.923 save percentage. He played all but one of those, and was a big reason why the Flyers got off to such a great start. In fact, through those 16 games, Tom Awad's GVT saw him as tied for the 10th best player in the NHL. Needless to say, through November 16th, Emery was a great signing.
Then, disaster struck. As the team headed on their western road swing, both Emery and the team collapsed. November 20th saw the Flyers lose to the Sharks 6-3. Emery would play in 5 games before going on IR. In this "second" section, I've included the two games he played after returning from injury since he was clearly not fully healed. In this stretch, Emery played in seven games, going 1-5-0 with a 4.91 gaa and 0.817 save percentage. These numbers were atrocious. After those two games, all confidence in Emery was gone.
The final stretch saw Emery play in 6 games from January 21st to February 1st. There, he went 4-2-0 with a 1.51 gaa and .943 save percentage. Only once did Emery give up more than 2 goals (the disastrous 4-3 loss to Atlanta) and he twice recorded a shutout.
While these three stretches are a helpful way of looking at Emery's season, the truth is that Emery only played in 29 games. That's a small sample-size in itself and breaking that into three much smaller samples is even more statistically irrelevant. The truth is that Emery played very well when healthy and very, very poorly when injured. The larger picture - maybe even just the picture - is that Holmgren's gamble on Ray Emery did not work out.
Yet another season goes by which sees Philadelphia lacking a steady presence in the crease. But hey, it could be worse: the Flyers could be stuck with Nikolai Khabibulin.
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Ray Emery steals $51,724.14 per game from Philadelphia Flyers. Career officially over.
He played very well when he was in those twenty-nine games.
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 2, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
His ESS% was .930 good for 5th best in the league, with Leighton at 9. Take out the five injured games and his numbers were great. Even so, he didn’t steal money.
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 2, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
He also conveniently didn’t play when the team in front of him trainwrecked.
20 of his 29 games were played in October and November.
I don’t understand what that proves?
The point is, just over two thirds of his stats came from the first two months of the season, when the Flyers were still playing much better hockey then have for the majority of the season.
So now if a goalie plays well, it dose not count if the team in front of him dose as well…….
Ahhh this comes from the man who says only close games count as are good games. Blowouts suck.
…..But if we win by a close game it is not good enough because we got lucky…, and even if we do win by a blowout it dose not count because it wasent agent a good team
Did he actually win any games the team had absolutely no business even competing in? He was serviceable but not dynamic. And that comes and goes but you need it to come every so often if your team is going to be really good.
by M from Pdaddy on Mar 2, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
minute per minute, if you count it that way, compared to the rest of the goalies in the league, when he was healthy, he was very good. Hope my grammar was up to your standards Mario.
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
In the end, what did that gamble cost us? He played well, then got hurt, now we have his cap space again. Not Homers worst move, but by no means his best. Just for arguments sake, I haven’t looked it up, but who else could we have had instead and how are they doing?
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 2, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just another wasted season behind an adequate enough team to be better than they are right now. I am getting older dammit I can’t throw years away on long shot goaltending options anymore.
by M from Pdaddy on Mar 2, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Touche, but if Leighton pulles a “Boosh” and has a miracle run… you never know
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Olympic break doesn’t help him to stay hot, though. I’m all for trading for a GT, although I’m not sure how Flyers’ fans would react, seeing as how we haven’t had a bonafide in quite some time.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Actually they would really really know the difference anyway.
by M from Pdaddy on Mar 2, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I meant, I would be in a state of shock myself, so I can imagine many others would be. It’s not their M.O. They’ll most likely get some unspectacular piece because they’ve got nothing to trade and no flexibility—other than moving a current NHL’er, which is they seem unwilling to do.
Gotta make the tough choices, Homer, since you got the team in this mess in the first place.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Believe me I feel for the guy and his career. The ROTFLMAO is just a reaction to the inability of this organization to take the goaltending position seriously and not have the intelligence to make better decisions. Why am I not surprised about them signing a long shot, playing him twenty something straight games in a row to start the season after a year in Russia, watching him struggle from an obvious medical issue, going out for 6 weeks with surgery and then playing him 8 straight games upon his return with two back to back games in the middle. Where is the surprising part of all of this? F-ing morons.
They couldn’t have predicted this when they signed him. When he was healthy, he did a very good job overall.
That’s really a shame. Let the goaltending carousel continue.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yes. Yes they could have.
In fact, I predicted it before the season when I pointed out that the guy never played 60 games in a single season in his career, and had played all of 60 hockey games since June of 2007. Now he’s played 89 hockey games in what will be more than 3 years by the time the KHL season starts for him.
so you predicted that a guy who has had no serious injury problems (outside a freak wrist injury in 2007) would be subject to injury problems that would prevent him from starting the majority of the games this year?
i think a safer bet would have been thinking he would have had off the ice problems or his level of play would not be sufficient to justify keeping him as the starter.
the front office saw the talent he had and believed that if he could stay out of trouble that he would be the answer. and when he wasn’t playing injured they were right.
I predicted that a guy who never before in his career has logged the number of games the Flyers expected of him, in a condensed schedule, would break down under that work load.
No different than JVR falling off a cliff after 45 games, because that’s the most he’d ever played in his career.
Or NBA rookies being worn down after jumping from a 40 game NCAA schedule to an 82 game NBA schedule.
Or young pitchers jumping to the pros and throwing dramatically more pitches than they ever have in their life, then having a dead arm.
JVR is still at Hartnell/Giroux’s numbers. He fell off with the whole team.
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 2, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
right, there aren’t hundreds of examples of people who have been able to handle the extra workload….
Your oversimpliflying and the previous argument you made with other sports is an argument by analogy….albeit a valid form of induction but notoriuosly a weak way to argue esp. given the inherent complexity of sports injuries.
I made a prediction. The prediction was correct.
I was told the prediction was stupid. I explained that the predicted outcome was the expected outcome in such a situation, in the same setting (ncaa to nhl hockey players) and other related settings (NCAA→NBA, MLB).
I don’t know what the problem is here.
I am not critizing your prediction or the outcome, but your form. Your observations are fine but the structure of your argument is the issue. It’s not about truth its about logical form.
I understand.
But I’m saying, whats wrong with the form? Athletes who suddenly increase their workload get hurt. The older they are when it happens, the more likely they are to be hurt.
apologies for the delay
First, mea culpa I wasn’t clear…..actually the logical form per se isn’t the issue it’s one of degree. By logical form I wanted to emphasis that issue isn’t factual truth of your conclusion but how it was substantiated. You could strengthen you argument more by finding more points of similiarity between the forces that the body is subjected to than merely using age and work load from different sports as examples. If you show that similar loads cause similar wear with similar movements but in different sports you actually make your case stronger. As it stands your prediction was right, but as the supporting evidence is insufficiently fleshed out relative to the subject’s complexity , some may incorrectly attribute the prediction to luck and not your reasons . I don’t necessarily hold that position because I think the issues you address are sound and you know hockey, but by the complexity of physiological systems alone to argue age vs. load is techincally a fallacy of causal oversimplification. It’s not about wrong but about being more right.
I can demonstrate this more effectively but will do so in another post.
I agree it could’ve been stronger, but I’m not a doctor, so what you’re suggesting definitely is beyond my knowledge base.
I think the comparison between pitcher arms and goalie abdomin/hip/groin areas is probably the only body type comparison that could be made, but that’s about as much as I could educatedly say about that.
At no point in his career has he ever had a problem with his health holding up. The reason he never surpassed 60 games in a season was not because of health issues, but rather because of competition at his position and behavioral problems.
To predict that his health wouldn’t hold up ultimately would be a shot in the dark, premised on the absurd assumption that you somehow had more information at your disposal concerning Emery’s health than the doctors that performed his physical. You simply based your “prediction” on a general trend that any half brained sports fan can point out….
The fact that your prediction occurred doesn’t mean that it was based in sound logic. And to make the insinuation that the if YOU could have seen this coming Flyers management surely should have, is just asinine.
And furthermore, if anything, the fact that there was going to be a substantial break in the middle of the season (a time in which Emery was unlikely to play), would work in favor of the Flyers assessment.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not convinced that Emery is necessarily the answer in goal for the Flyers, but I do believe we don’t yet have a good enough sample to make that judgment quite yet. During the times that he was supposedly healthy his numbers speak for themselves.
At no point in his career has he ever had a problem with his health holding up.
Did I allege that? No. I didn’t.
The reason he never surpassed 60 games in a season was not because of health issues
Is that relevant? No, no its not.
You simply based your "prediction" on a general trend that any half brained sports fan can point out….
Exactly! And you know what the best indicator of the future is? A common trend from the past!
You’re literally arguing: “Just because it happens all the time, and you predicted it would happen again when that same situation occurs, doesn’t make it sound logic.” When, in fact, it does.
And the Flyers management should also be wary of players who meet situations where, in the past, other athletes in the same situation have struggled.
I know you can’t really be a fan. You are a puss all you do is complain. It is always double talk one day it’s this shit the other it’s this. Either your just a complainer ( which I believe he is ) or very mad we haven’t won the cup in so long. I guess If we cloned Parent and don’t win you would say you predicted it.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Mar 2, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Or I know hockey.
I wonder if all the criticism I have of the Flyers has anything to do with the fact this season is such a failure?
But it isn’t even over yet.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Mar 2, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Avs signed John Grahame, according to RDS. Odd.
http://twitter.com/dallas_dave
This guy says Roloson is a Flyer.
Oh, This is bound to be good
You can't, but you thought that You could
I’m okay with that. Depends what the Flyers give up. But I’ve resigned myself to Holmgren being unwilling to actually sell at the deadline. Getting a goalie then is the best thing he could do.
We’ll need to hear details and see how everything else shakes out before I can form a judgment.
you’re okay with Roloson? Is he really significanlty better than what we have? I’m assuming he’s not coming “free”, so anything above future considerations is too much for me.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 2, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
He’s signed for next season at just $2.5m.
He’s old, but he’s got young legs. He’s only actually played 500 career games.
I’d rather get Vokoun. I’d rather have Biron. I think I’d rather have Rolosson than Ellis. Not sure how to fit Price/Halak into that equation due to RFA status.
Frankly, I’ll just be happy if Holmgren actually acknowledges that the team needs a goalie.
http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/9893681832
To those suggesting Roloson is a Flyer, I was just told by Isles he will be in net for them tonight. I’m told nothing is done, FWIW.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 2, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Dose anyone have a pic of his 2nd mask he was going to wear at the Winter Classic?
I herd if honored the great Flyers goalies of the past.
I guess we will never see it on the ice
That must have been a pretty empty background on that mask after Bernie that is.
by M from Pdaddy on Mar 2, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 2, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
…..hacket, chechmanek, froese
by M from Pdaddy on Mar 2, 2010 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it was at the700level, so I’d look there to find it. It was pretty sweet.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
haha, no problem. those are better/bigger pictures than I originally saw.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 2, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hoping Emery will resume his career soon ...
He sure seemed to turn his life around. I thought he might lose his cool sometime this year, but he never did. He seemed to mature and put his team first. I hope the doctors can keep him playing. He’s a tough guy — I’m rooting for him to pull through this.
Two words
Career Over
…But I’d still like to see him play again, just on another team. From what I was reading an injury like his is career threatening and I don’t think the body can recover from an injury like this and return to prime form. Hopefully he’ll prove me wrong but we’ve got to move on. Our main concern at this point is the Flyers making it to the playoffs and beyond. THANK GOD we only signed him for one year! I wish him luck with the rest of his career, if he still has one after this.
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