Philadelphia Fan Confidence Rating: 3/22 Voting
The Broad Street Hockey Fan Confidence Rating held steady at 70 percent last time we took a tally, about a month ago. As we take a new vote today, however, it's safe to say that this thing could really go in any direction. We have no idea who this Flyers team is, really. They come out and play a phenomenal game against Chicago, followed up by a pathetic showing against the Rangers. They get swept by Atlanta. The once-second-now-third string goalie is the expected playoff starter.
What the hell is going on?
You vote, on a scale of 0 percent to 100 percent, how confident you are in the current direction of the organization as a whole. That means that you're taking into account the team's on-ice performance, management and coaching decisions, and the overall status of prospects and the farm system.
Voting will be open for 24 hours, and the results will be posted on tomorrow morning and graphed alongside previous results.
So, how confident are you in the current direction of the Philadelphia Flyers? Vote in the poll and let us know how you feel in the comments.
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this should be fun coming of a home and home sweep in against the Thrashers and playing pretty bad on the recent road trip, did you have one go up just before the break I betting this one is going to be at least 20 points lower. Remember we are not as good as our best game nor as bas as our worst. 70% if you factor in Emery won’t be back next year and maybe Coburn gets an RFA offer and turns into some draft picks some of you this is the worse team ever guys might be a little more excited
well...
I think this just shows that Boosh isn’t the guy (well, we already knew this) but it doesn’t look like he is going to pull a Leighton and really wow anyone in net….he will steal a couple games going down the stretch but most likely we are going to eat more ugly losses to less deserving teams….playoffs will probably end quickly for us as well….if we don’t tailspin right out of it.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
I foigured my 70% would be a bit of an outlier, but I have to be consistent. I feel exactly the same about this team as I have all year: every question mark (goalie, defensive play, scoring) is capable of playing hot, it all depends on whether he have that stride game 1 of the first round, where we’ll be starting on the road. This is the same tune I’ve had all year. They are still capable of getting swept out or winning the cup. I’m 70% confident that former won’t happen, which is really the only case in which I’ll be disappointed.
We've got a nice little bell curve developing
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The Flyers have also followed a pattern of sorts ever since they made the finals in 1997:
1998: First-Round Exit
1999: First-Round Exit
2000: Conference Finals
2001: First-Round Exit
2002: First-Round Exit
2003: Second-Round Exit (extremely rare for the Flyers)
2004: Conference Finals
2006: First-Round Exit
2007: Don’t talk about… Playoffs?!?!?
2008: Conference Finals
2009: First-Round Exit
2010: ?
Notice the pattern: Two consecutive First-Round Exits (or its 2007 equivalent) followed by a deep playoff run. 2003 was the only exception. As such, I expect another First-Round Exit this year.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
"What the Hell is going on?"
Perfect question. That is why my confidence has dipped to 10% regarding the current direction of the team. I expect them to make the playoffs and bow out fairly quickly.
Assuming they make the playoffs, Holmgren will get one more chance to right the ship. But as the talent level of the team has ostensibly gone up, the chemistry has gone down, and that’s a problem. Two years ago we had a team that was not nearly as talented as this year’s edition, but they enjoyed playing together and rode that momentum to the conference finals. Last year’s team was the same way until February, then everything went to Gehenna in a Gehandbasket. Now we have this bunch, who are the most talented group we’ve had here in a while and yet when the chips are down, they cannot find their asses with both hands.
People can rag on abstract qualities such as “heart,” “desire,” and “chemistry” as much as they want. In response, I will point to Fred Shero’s quote which is most relevant to this affair:
“I don’t have the best players. I have the best team.”
Right now the Flyers have better players than they had two years ago. But the 2007-08 bunch was a much better team in the sense of being more cohesive, getting along, etc. And yes, I am suggesting that this year’s edition does not constantly play as a cohesive unit because they do not get along very well as individuals.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I am with you. They have the talent to win, goaltending notwithstanding (but should be good enough with the defense we have most nights), but your guess is as good as mine as to why they cannot put it all together. Do they get too tight when they need to win a game? Or too loose? Do they play to the level of their competition? Lack leadership? Have too many leaders and therefore too many guys doing their “own thing”? Too many guys have too many personal problems this year that took their focus away from the game?
I’ve heard every theory, but no answers. The fact that this happened last year was one thing, but to happen 2 years in a row—well, that’s a trend. Wholesale changes need to be made.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
If San Fillipo is correct and Carter broke his foot, you really should reset the poll and let people vote again.
Like the Carter injury really matters. Its been over for awhile now. We didn’t need Carter to get injured to tell us that. Now it just gives people a way to make excuses for why this team will lose in the first round or miss the Playoffs altogether . . .
Dude, its all up interpretation. I voted 0% (which, I assume, you did too, considering you have been voting 0% for awhile now right?) basically because there is nothing good that can come from this season. The Flyers will either lose in the first round or not make the playoffs. Either way, we have NO draft picks so it doesn’t really matter . . .
I voted 10%.
They have a good nucleus for a team for several years: Richards, Briere, Giroux, JVR, Hartnell, Pronger, Timmonen. They have some good Dmen prospects in the AHL.
They need to restock the farm, re-build the complimentary players, give Pronger the C, find a goalie, and get a new coach.
How about a new GM? That’s the first thing I want.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Holmgren has been a pretty good talent evaluator. He did nothing but good things up until August 2009.
If he comes to his senses and properly addresses all of those things, I don’t mind keeping him.
I’d argue that it was actually February of 2009 before he seriously began to show his incompetence.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, I am pretty much with you on all of that.
Watching the inconsistencies of this team has helped me to be detached. I won’t be heartbroken when they lose in the Playoffs because I know this team doesn’t have what it takes to win. They have shown that for the past 3 years and no matter what people try to do, nothing has come remotely close to making that change.
I think a new GM would probably be the right call. We need some fresh eyes in here that hasn’t been blinded and desensitized to 3 years of mediocrity.
I have little to be confident in at this point and am not expecting anything . . .
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I second giving Pronger the C….nothing against Richards, it’s just not his skill set or personality. I think he’s the type of player that is more instinctual and analytical thinking just hampers his play.
I think it’s more personality than it is skill set. From my point of view, I think the problem with Richards being the C is that he personally has so much of that Jekyll and Hyde behavior we complain about the whole team having. When high-energy, full on attack Mike Richards shows up at the game, he’s capable of being a good C; when he’s in that zone he’s able to motivate his teammates better even though it doesn’t work out as a 1-1 comparison (i.e. we can’t chart his good days to good days for the team, it’s too inconsistent). If that version could show up at least 95% of the time, it might not be so bad. But when Richards doesn’t put his complete energy into it, he just shows the rest of the team that they don’t have to show up every night either. He talks to the media about putting that effort in, but he still doesn’t do it all the time. If he wants to lead by example, he needs to set the right example.
Pronger has shown some of that behavior too (not as frequently), and if you’re all going to say that he gets the C, he would need to straighten that out too. I think he could, I think maybe he would care more about it if he knew he was the C. But then after that, who is the next best choice? Kimmo, I guess. He wouldn’t be as vocal as Pronger, but he’d be more consistent than Richie.
But to reference more of the whole conversation, I think we have to be careful how many major changes we do at once, because there’s always a risk of overloading the team with too much upheaval (even in the offseason). If you strip Richards of the C and then get a new coach and new GM all at the same time, you may run the risk of players like Richards kind of emotionally shutting down and not realizing that if he gets himself straightened out he may get his C back someday. Out the three (coach, GM, captain), I think Laviolette is the least offender. I know Mario doesn’t like him, but he needs a motivated team to be effective, and a different captain might be able to give him that. I’m not saying Lavvy is the perfect coach and the answer to everything, but I think he’s got a better chance if he could get his players to care more.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 23, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
At this point, after hearing about Carter’s injury, I am still hopeful, yet my confidence level has dropped. Basically I view the game against Ottawa on Tuesday as a MUST win. If we don’t overtake them in the standings (to finish 5th and play NJ) I really lack confidence to make it into the second round. However, if we play Jersey, we can beat them, gain confidence, maybe Carter is back and rested (granted he comes back when they say he will) and who knows what would happen in the second round. In the playoffs anything could happen. I wouldn’t have bet 10 cents on Shittsburgh beating Detroit, with all their veterans and ringbearers in a game 7 Cup final but hey… Ok now i just made myself thinking about the friggin Penguins. Time to work off the shame with some wii fit.
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We keep doing this and I keep saying that until Holmgren is gone how can you be confident in the direction of the team. I am still at 40% only because this team has some talent, underperforming mind you , but talent none the less. The line up is inherently screwed up, the prospects seem distant if not unlikely and the cap situation is not getting any better.
Voted 40
Yeah, completely at a loss to understand what is happening with this team. We all know what they can do at best and worst from different parts of this season. I think it is a coaching and leadership issue, since the same guys suit up from night to night and either score 6 goals and blow away the opposition or can’t find the net. The D has been up and down, and I think the Pronger deal was another “should’ve had him one/two years ago”. He plays great at some times, and then flubs passes for 10 minutes and can’t remember how to check in open ice. I know Coburn has been an issue all year, even with the great article on here a while back about his numbers being about the same as the last few years, there’s just something that doesn’t work with him. Same with Hartnell—plays hard most nights, but then tries to throw backhand passes across ice thru 4 players…huh? Forsberg couldn’t make that pass (and wouldn’t have tried). Also tries clearing up the middle, which you should never do (well, almost never).
I’m not sure it’s a chemistry issue, maybe some, because although I didn’t watch the entire game last night, I watched the beginning and then some at the end of the 2nd into the 3rd. And there were two different teams on the ice last night. The first was the the new line combos, and they couldn’t find their butts with both hands. The second was when the lines were put back to “Normal”—read 12-18-13, 17-48-19, 28-21-45, 11-14-??. I flipped in with about 5 left in the 2nd and thought, wow they’re really playing now. And then I noticed the line combos. So the right guys do still work well with each other, it’s just a mystery why they can’t put goals in some nights.
Two things I have noticed. Communication or something is lacking on the ice. When they have problems in the defensive end, it’s usually because someone makes the wrong decision. Reverse when you should wheel. Chip to the guy behind the net when you should’ve tried to go back up the boards hard. Then the scramble starts, and fans hold their breath or just moan. Then they dump on the way in and can’t get control, and the Thrashers proved this weekend that the Flyers are venerable to counters when that happens. The other thing is control and possession. They finally seemed to have figured out especially 4 on 4 that puck possession is what it’s all about. They are playing better that way, and when they control the puck coming out of their own end they are somewhat unstoppable. Almost every clear that is dumped out is a problem. And they get stuck doing it over and over, never able to get possession back, running around chasing the puck for 5 minutes at a time.
Sorry for being long winded. I’m not even going to talk about goal tending, you just can’t plan on what has happened there, in the good (Leighton’s play) and bad ways (injury, Boosh’s recent play).
Another Laviolette screwup?
Maybe there is a reason he was out of pro hockey not all that long ago.
This was/is at least his third really suspect/boneheaded move that I can tick off the top of my head.
- Remember when Leighton had anchored the team back into a win streak, and Lavvy puts Emery up against Pittsburgh when the guy was fresh off abdominal surgery and had maybe 2 AHL warmups?
- Wow we’re playing the big bad rangers. So let’s call in Riley Cote .. a guy who was on waivers not long ago, and has seen less ice time this season than the trainer, so we can put on a display of “old time Eddie Shore hockey”. Rather than out skill a team that is down and out of the playoff picture, let’s play down to their level, and in the process lose an embarassing game where Sean Avery scores two goals and turns down a fight.
- So yeah, the team is exhausted, fresh off a road trip, with a badly needed win in a home and home series, so of course the best thing to do is make a bunch of new line combos, because we all know that playing with a whole fresh group of people that you haven’t practiced with makes for winning hockey when you’re down to your last 10 games of the season and fighting for a playoff spot.
Certainly it’s true that players win games, but it’s also true that Coaches can lose them. It’s great that people always talk about effort, or lack of effort, but Hockey isn’t a game where effort is the only component. I’ve seen a lot of frustration on the ice this year - probably more frustrated players than any season since 2006. All that visible frustration ought to be telling people something — that the players aren’t clear on what the coach and the organization wants from them.
I happen to like Lavvy as a coach. And I don’t think he’s to blame for the inconsistent play. They were bad with that before him. Other than that, I agree. They Flyers do not control the puck well in the offensive zone. When they control the puck and move as a 5 man unit they win. This is not a finesse team, they need to work, and work hard. Let me stress your point of control and possession again, it’s important.
It could be a leadership issue, maybe not enough, or not the right kind. I was hoping Richards would learn some from watching all the other captains on the Canadian team. Sometimes I think someone just needs to call them out for it on the bench.
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by Mike B on D on Mar 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Mine actually stayed at 50 simply because the more we lose the more I think Homer will be fired, which would definitely boost my confidence for the future.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
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