Unacceptable: Flyers blow late lead, fall in OT 4-3
The Flyers blew 3-1 third period lead on Thursday night before losing 4-3 in overtime to the Minnesota Wild. In the midst of this playoff race with less than 10 games remaining in the season, that result is unacceptable. Hell, that's unacceptable in the third game of the season. The fact that this happened tonight is just the latest reminder that this Flyers team is lacking something -- or several things.
It could be goaltending, which certainly wasn't good tonight. Brian Boucher actually kicked in the overtime goal on his own, perhaps as some kind of hat tip to the Philadelphia Union, who kicked off their MLS season tonight.
It could be the defense, who were just invisible tonight in front of their goaltender. It could be the offense, who despite outshooting the Wild 35-21 were unable to take control of this game at really any juncture.
In reality, it's everybody. It's the goaltenders, who just aren't good enough. It's the offense, who just aren't playing to their potential. It's the defense, who just looks lost more often than not. It's the coaching staff, who just doesn't seem to have any answers. This Flyers team loses as a team each and every night. You can't blame one group or one player on this team, because they're all at fault.
Most of us are convinced now that this team isn't going very far in the playoffs. Very recently, they were sitting in fifth place in the Eastern Conference, but it's safe to say that with the way they've played since the weekend, the playoffs are not a guarantee. Some people don't want to see the playoffs for fear of embarrassment, and you know what? That's a perfectly fair assessment.
The Flyers really need to get their acts together. They're a better team then they are playing. We're restless and absolutely sick of this crap.
After the jump, questions with answers and the comment of the night.
Questions with Answers
- How much will the Matt Carle injury effect the overall play of the defense tonight? The defense was just terrible tonight. It's tough to really make much more of an assessment than that.
- The Flyers always have trouble with the backup goaltenders, as they did with Anton Khudobin last time these teams played. Can they solve Niklas Backstrom, who is, you know, good? 35 shots and only three go in. Seriously, you do the math.
- Same idea, do the Flyers clearly lack chemistry tonight thanks to all the line shuffling that's gone on? Might've been part of the problems.
- Danny Briere is back at center... how's that work out? He looked good there. Seemed to have a lot more room to move, and the line of him, Gags, and Leino wasn't really all that bad.
Comment of the Night
OK for serious, WHAT THE ****!?!?
TV is taken up, flyers up 3-1, tv is mine, 3-2
Girlfriend calls, 3-2 we have chances, we hang up, 3-3**** YOU FLYERS!? WHAT THE HELL DID DO TO YOU!?
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I think the only thing I like about this post is the comment of the night…. Not that the article itself, I mean the subject matter it contains.
I don’t get why the guys hate to support Boosh, he really doesn’t seem like that bad of a guy. I don’t really hear him badmouthing specific individuals or anything that would make them feel betrayed, but I don’t know what happens in the locker room. Well, I don’t think Gagne hates him, at least, so maybe being teammates in 2000 counts for something.
For me personally, the Gagne/Briere/Leino line showed some potential. I don’t remember noticing before that Leino isn’t half bad at puckhandling, but tonight was a small sample size. I’m a little mad at Giroux though, in his opportunity to step up he seems kind of invisible most of the time. I’m not sure I’m ready to declare officially that his effort has dropped off dramatically from the first half of the season, but I’m certainly getting there. I remember how on the west coast road trip from hell he looked like the best player on the ice to me in the Avalanche game, and I haven’t really felt that way lately. To give him a small bit of credit though, the one overlapping shift where Giroux was out there with Gagne and Briere for a rush gave me a glimpse into just how awesome that potential line could be, even though when we discussed it as a hypothetical possibility months ago it was noted that defense could be a bit of a problem.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 12:45 AM EDT reply actions
I love the flashes of finesse Giroux shows, but the guy really needs to add some muscle. He gets manhandled in the corners.
I have to believe as he matures he will increase his muscle and strength, but thinking a talent like Giroux needs to beef up in order to dump, chase, muck and grind in the corners, aka “losing” brand of Flyers hockey, is completely misrepresenting his skills. If you are looking for that kind of player trade him and play Powe instead. I would rather give this guy at least one talented winger that can keep up with his creativity and some time for him to gain the experience and confidence to be the skilled playmaker that he can be. Since Carter went down he has gotten only a handful of shifts at the #2 center and then has immediately been relegated to playing with Asham and JVR. Neither of these guys is even in the same time zone as Giroux and it is a friggin’ shame to watch the Flyers waste another talented player as they insist on playing 1970’s style hockey.
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I’m not implying he has to go Barry Bonds or anything. But the fact of the matter is a guy needs to be able to handle himself in the corners and along the boards, and he just can’t do that. He simply gets thrown to the side.
I understand what you are intimating but keep in mind:
Patrick Kane Height: 5-10 Weight: 178
Claude Giroux Height: 5-11 Weight: 179
He is shifty enough and quick enough to control the puck but he needs to play with skill in order for his talents to be brought to light.
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Yeah, but Kane is obviously able to handle himself. After all, he did beat the hell out of that cab driver for 20 cents…
I think Giroux played fine and does well down low and in the corners Minn is a big team and will be able to knock the puck away from lots of people down low but Giroux line produced scoring chances. Problem is those chances on the stick of guys like Asham and Powe who can’t finish. I still want Giroux on the wing with Gagne and Briere, our own French Connection line. And Powe is just a friggin waste of space he can’t do anything productive with the puck and just gets in the way.
They had it in for me! So much so that I left the room during overtime so that they would win it! But what do they do? They give up the GWG as soon as my butt hits the couch. Bastards!
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 26, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think all the users from BSH in the area should get together after this weekend and have a ceremonial “burying of the season”
Awww, but you do eat, right? So if we ended up somewhere that drinking isn’t a requirement and people under 21 could still come, maybe it’d still be fun. I drink but not much, so you probably wouldn’t be the only one still coherent.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m didn’t mean to imply you are, but I know some people here are, so I was just trying to make sure everybody could feel included.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should ride out these last 2 weeks or so first, but yeah if it happens I’m in. Many of the other SBN blogs do meet-ups in public places or at games, and while I’m not quite as regular on the other boards, we seem like a relatively close-knit group of regulars that meeting up at a bar wouldn’t be a bad idea.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I got an email a day or two ago from JpH (sorry I didn’t respond, bud) who suggested a BSH pick up hockey game. I think it’s a great idea that I’d be totally down for. I’m down for any other sort of meet up too, though, of course.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 26, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be rad. I’m in! I’m out of shape and would be embarrassed by my general lack of skill these days, but I’m in!
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 26, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t play but I’ll totally hang out and play photographer.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Roller or foot? I would prefer roller due to the lack of having ACL’s and running kills my knees. But I would show for no other reason then to be social regardless.
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Pick up game would b a sweet idea
by MadmanSamCarcillo on Mar 26, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha, I’m all for a pickup game. I haven’t played since I was 17.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 26, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
good e-mailing skills Travis haha. But yeah, I just thought it would be cool and all, and Im down for skate or foot, whatever works best with the majority of people. I was thinking an Orange team and a Black team, so bring a jersey or tee for both colors. I live In Ardmore, PA(right by St. Joes and Nova), so as long as its not somewhere ridiculously far, im down. I was thinking just sticks, skates?, and the color shirts, I dont think we’ll needs any pads and junk, unless your a goalie.
P.S. – I have one set of goalie pads and a net (neither are regulation size) so i’ll bring them if we do this, but if anyone else has better equipment, feel free to let me know.
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We should probably move this conversation up to a fanpost or fanshot, but I figured I’d throw out there that my town has an outdoor roller hockey rink on the grounds of the middle school that is public park land on non-school days…. there’s got to be other towns around that have that same kind of thing, right?
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in Milwaukee, but just let me know when the drinking/eating is to commence and I’ll join in all my displaced glory. I mean, it’s really not that hard to find a beer here in MKE.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Who do we get rid of, what free agents are available, are any of our young d-men in the AHL ready? Considering we have to face to of the 2 best players in the league who pay for good offensive teams over the the next few years where do we go? I say we scrap this leftwing lock/3rd man high system unless we get players to fill in for the obvious defciencies. It just isn’t working with our personnel.
Who do we get rid of
Carter
what free agents are available
There is still too much time before July 1 to say who will be a free agent.
are any of our young d-men in the AHL ready?
No.
Get rid of?
Hartnell/Coburn
Fuck the offence and defense. They are truly fine. We need a big name number one goalie. Thats it. Trade these two guys for a nice bag of pucks (hell, even a shitty one).
by orangeandblack20 on Mar 26, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the Rangers chances of taking the Flyers spot. They’re now 5 pts back with 8 to play. Their schedule is a cakewalk:
@Toronto
@Islanders
@Lightning
@ Panthers
@Sabres
Toronto
Philadelphia
@Philadelphia
The Flyers are probably getting swept this weekend. Which means that by the time they play next Thursday, they very likely could be in 8th place tied with Atlanta and the Rangers a point behind them.
I’m very confident they’ll handle that pressure well.
I think it’s safe to say that the home and home at the end of the season could be just huge.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 26, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The Flyers might go in having to gain ground in order to make the playoffs.
The Rangers should come up with at least 8 points in their next six games. The Flyers six games are:
@Penguins
Devils
@Islanders
Canadiens
Red Wings
@Toronto
The most likely scenario I think is for the Flyers to beat the Islanders and Leafs, and that’s about it. Which would give them a 1 pt leading going into that weekend if the Rangers only get 8pts.
I have to disagree on Briere. I mean he’s better at center but he’s still just awful defensively. I’m not asking him to be some shut down forward but hustle and be in the right place. Giroux is small and won a good number of board battles. I wouldn’t be surprised if they sat down Briere and the defense suddenly got a lot better.
But then we wouldn’t have Briere’s offensive abil… Oh wait, he hasn’t done anything offensively.
I like Briere. I want him to play better but he’s had a hell of a long time.
Boucher stinks but he’s the third goalie. You have to find some other means defensively to stop things. I think cutting down Briere’s playing time might be a small but important move.
By the way, they aren’t playing well but they can. It’s been a while but this team could still go on a run. We all know they’ve had the ability and shown flashes. Still holding out hope!
I’m with you, sir. I really do still believe in this team. Maybe it’s just the 13-year old in me that was around in 2000 but I honestly have faith in Boosh to take this team on a run, I might be a huge optimist or an even bigger masochist but I always believe in this team.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 26, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Right after the Olympic break I had a feeling the team would go on another slump. They were in one in Dec then picked it up and played amazingly right before the break. My only hope was that if they did slump again that it was in March and they picked it up again and went on a streak at the right time. It seems to be playing out that way and there is still time to turn it around but there is one noticeable difference. During the Dec slump they were still playing hard but the goals weren’t coming. This time around I just don’t see it. They seem like a bunch of tards out there sometimes and it’s the same inconsistent effort, if you can even call it an effort, as it has been since at least last year. I really think the problem lies with leadership. The coach was changed, the players are good when they show heart, but they’re still too passive. There’s no fire in their spirit. That goes back to Richards. Now before you all start flaming me let me just say I think Richards is a great player when he brings his game, but even that’s not a given. Passive people are not leaders- they can’t fire people up and they don’t hold people responsible. We don’t know what happens behind closed doors, but if Hartnell’s comments are any indication (“It’s almost embarrassing, losing like that at home.”) we’re sunk. How can losing this way be ALMOST embarrassing??? Uh hello, this WAS embarrassing and the fans are beyond frustrated. Some of us don’t even want to watch the rest of the season because we’re sick of the same lame shit going on for years. If there is a God in heaven we will have not only a new GM this summer but a new captain and our new GM will somehow find a way to either motivate these lazy bums or ship them out of town. Get them to wave some of those NTC’s because if you’re going to play like this then F off, Philly don’t want you representing us. Flyers hockey used to be something to be proud of. Even in a losing season our guys played with heart, but this is just pathetic. Am I wrong?
I completely agree with you. I have no specific examples because I’m abroad right now, so it’s been hard to watch the games, but I am up to date.
This is going to be broad (because of my location/time difference)… but no matter what the circumstances are, the team should play with passion, otherwise they are not only bringing down themselves and their fans.
It’s a full team effort and I’m not going to start blaming one guy or another, so I’ll keep it simple and say, that the Flyers need to figure out a way to win and work together so that we make the playoffs and go on a hot streak. The ups and downs of the season have been frustrating, but maybe last night’s home loss has provided fuel to their fire and they turn it around.
Blame
I am confident in squarely laying the blame for this loss on KreiderDesigns. Because he was the only wild card in the events as they unfolded last night. He did not watch even one of the 3 total minutes the Flyers played well and as soon as he got control of his own television the lackadaisical malaise which blanketed most of this game took hold on the psyche of the whole team. Really sarcasm is my only outlet for this kind of frustration.
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching them right now just makes me sick. In the thick of a playoff race and you turn in a performance like this. It seems like some of them have already knocked the dust off their golf clubs and would rather be doing that. Freakin man up and play the game the way it’s supposed to be played! Sixty minutes of heart and determination, both ends of the ice, thats all that a hardcore Flyers fan wants to see. If they give that we fans have nothing to bitch about.
First time Posting...
This is my first time posting here on BSH, but I read your stuff every day, and have been an avid poster over at CBSSports for a while, although those boards/threads are getting really old, really quickly…
A couple of things from last nights game, and I know some people have already touched on this….
I think the line shuffling worked out well last night. I feel bad for Richards having to play with Hartnell and Carcillo, but he needs guys that play with their heads down straight toward the net, so I think that will utlimately benefit the team, as Scotty and Dan tend to get the dirty goals, and both have shown a knack for being in the right place at the right time. Leino Briere Gagne looked like my favorite line out there last night. That line has so much speed and puck moving ability, they just need to take more shots! The speed and finesse is there, but start moving pucks toward the net. I also really liked Powe with JVR and Giroux. I have been saying all year, JVR Giroux and whoever else is on the ice with them on a given night, need to see more playing time. Giroux and JVR are both very talented, and it seems like every time I see them on the ice, they are in the offensive zone.
Whoever was talking about the lack of size and Giroux’s inability to play along the boards must not have been watching hockey over the past 74 games or so… Giroux consistently excels in board play. He uses his size to his advantage and has great leverage on the puck. I do agree that Giroux could use a more talented winger, but JVR is there. Those 2 guys seem to have a lot of chemistry going on, and they have shown that all year. I feel that Giroux looks for the pass too often (basically every shift) rather than using his skills to get into the open ice and fire off a wrister. Maybe his shot isn’t as accurate as he’d like, but you can work on that…
I know that was kind of a jumbled/rambly post, but I just wanted to say SOMETHING! The Flyers still have a chance of making the playoffs, but unfortunately, I don’t see them, at least how they are currently playing, beating Caps/Pens/Devils. We’d have to get back into the 6 seed and play Buffalo to have a shot of making it out of the first round…
Welcome, you are completely fucking wrong. Only kidding. I agree to some extent other then Giroux and JVR. Giroux needs an experienced winger like Gagne to play with for more than two shifts a night. Playing with any combination of JVR, Powe, Asham is killing his mojo. Last night in third period on like three occasions he created space and time and neither of those guys was on the same page. I really thought JVR was going to be a slow process and being on the big club was a good move but I am leaning to the MarioD (established poster on the sight) side of thinking that he should have been in Glen Falls this season just learning to be an everyday professional hockey player getting 20 minutes a night with developmental talent. And that has nothing to do with the cap benefit.
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Giroux excels in board play? I think a fan sneezed last night and sent him flying to the ice. He is fantastic with the puck, but all anyone needs to do to get him off the puck is touch him. He is masterful at keeping the puck away from opponent’s, but when it gets down to the gritty, I just feel he could use some strength. I’m not suggesting he be a mucker, I just feel with his skill, bulking up a bit would only add to what he can do on the ice. There is always going to be points in a game where you are going to have to go in and physically work the puck out, and I don’t feel he can do that right now.
I feel like we go through this all the time… how many years did we listen to “If Gagne could gain 5 or 10 more pounds, he’d be so much better in the corners”?
I’m in the middle with this one…. I do feel like Giroux does know how to leverage the weight he has, so he’s able to compensate for what he lacks to a certain degree. And when he’s in the zone mentally, I’ve seen him manage to hang onto the puck with 2 or 3 different guys trying to push him off and still maintain control (which is freakin amazing, by the way, when he actually pulls that off). But adding 10 pounds or so should definitely be more of a help than a hinderance long-term. He’s always going to be on the smaller side of things anyway, but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know. You could make this argument for just about anyone. Being stronger is never going to hurt, and it’s easy to say, “just get stronger”. I just saw a couple occasions last night where he got outmuscled….
But in support of you, Gagne did gain those 10 pounds and it helped, but I think it’s more noticeable on defense than offense.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Welcome and thanks for the post. Gotta say i agree. I liked the lines last night. Yes, I am disgusted with the result. No, I am not happy with the way things are. But I did like the lines.
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I’m sorry Geoff, but Boucher’s performance last night, was full of suck.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 26, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions
exactly only goal that he gets no fault on is the tying goal I won’t blame him on a deflection. But Havlat and Zidlicky’s goals were awful no screens and shots from long way out, he also fumbled the puck many times trying to play it behind the net and somehow got away with it. And the OT was full retard. One bad goal is bad enough but 3 bad goals Geoff come on.
He was bad, I know. But:
Goal 1: Power Play
Goal 2: Turnover in defensive zone
Goal 3: Multiple Deflections
Goal 4: Just awful.
Yeah, He definitely should have had the first one. He definitely should have had the fourth one. The second one was tough, and if he went into the butterfly, he could have had it. He didn’t play well, but he’s not the singular reason the team lost.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Might as well give Backlund a shot in net this weekend. The team likes to step up their play when they feel like they have a weaker man in net.
Poor Boosh, that must mean the team has so much confidence in him that they feel they don’t even have to try….
Kidding, well kinda sorta (but not completely).
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to take into consideration what I heard last night on HNIC on sirrius. Jeff Marek and the boys were talking about Boucher and were pretty unanimous that the respect quotient goes both ways. The team needs to see Boucher load one up on his back and be off the hook. Because there has been more than a few games now that an opponent has been held to well under 30 shots and he lets at least one by that kills the momentum. This is not saying the blame for the lackluster season is on his ass but if he really wants to be a starter in the league he needs to be out of his mind a couple times.
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can't blame the D on this one
Look I am usually the positive guy on these boards and I can see what goes wrong more often then as of late we been having trouble scoring. Last night we netted 3 goals. When we do that we should win. We stayed out of the box only 3 PP against. We entered the 3 period with a 2 goal lead and gave up 6 shots in the 3rd period. 2 of them went in. When we lose 2-0 people blame the goalie when we lose 4-3 people blame the offensive that makes no sense. This game was on Boucher he looked uncomfortable the whole game and didn’t come up with any saves any saves when we he was asked to. 0.800 SV PCT is unacceptable.
Blame the Black Jersey nothing good happens when we wear the friggin Black.
I’m not sure how Boosh doesn’t get 100% of the blame on this one. The offense looked really good at times, the defense looked pretty ok, but like you said, the goalie did absolutely nothing to help the team out.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 26, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Havlat had way too many options on that turnover, it was stoppable but it wasn’t a guaranteed stop or a softie. I’ll say 60-75% of the blame I can give you since it was a bad night, but if the team hadn’t slowed down and let up too much (come on, Jonesy even called them out for doing so when it was only like, the 2nd period), it still shouldn’t have happened the way it did.
And I know you’re going to all jump down my throat on this part, but I’m prepared for that…. This doesn’t forgive Boosh, for last night but it should be mentioned. It’s often discussed how much being a goalie is mental and not just physical, how the hell do we think Boosh feels when the team scores two goals and then lets of the gas 10 minutes into the game? Should we really expect that to never affect his mindset? He’s watching them play lazy right in front of him, how can that be good for his mental state?
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
regardless of what the “excuse” might be. He really didn’t have a lot of work last night and most of the shots were long range or from the outside and he didn’t even turn in a backup NHL goalie performance.
It’s pretty funny at this point. On Sat., nobody really showed up. On Sunday and Tuesday, the offense was AWOL. Last night, Boosh was out having coffee or something.
I expect us to either get destroyed on Saturday or win. I’m pretty sure it won’t be a 3-2 (loss) well played game. There is just no in between with this team. I guess it depends on what the happy hour special is on Friday night.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And Pittsburgh has had an extra day off and I am sure way pissed off at their performance on Wednesday night against the Caps. This could be really ugly for the Flyers or just plain sloppy ending with a Flyers win but leaving no satisfaction regardless. I have no intention of watching on Saturday I have a bid day planned. My wife and I, well we’re going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don’t know, I don’t know if we’ll have enough time.
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I was really only arguing with the 100% part. In my opinion, I don’t think 100% of the blame can ever really be pegged on one guy, even if they deserve the lion’s share of it one night. I think the rest of the team could have turned the energy back on when it became 3-2 or 3-3 and they didn’t do it, so that alone should at least knock Boosh’s responsibility percentage back to maybe 90%. There have been plenty of games where we gave up more than 3 goals, or at least 2 bad ones, and still won the game.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
There have been plenty of games where we gave up more than 3 goals, or at least 2 bad ones, and still won the game.
Flyers record when giving up more than 3 goals.
2-18-1
those two win oddly enough were against Pittsburg and Washington the Washington win coming in OT.
I did have an ‘or’ there…. I’ll go back and figure out games where they gave up 2 softies or bad ones, but it won’t be right now because i don’t have time to read the recaps & look at video. But it still should be possible for them hold on, it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t start trying again when the situation becomes urgent, and yet they still don’t do that. Even if you want them to sit back and play good D (which I personally don’t like this particular team sitting back, ever, but that’s my opinion), they should still turn it back on when they have to.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you can expect a team this team to win a game where they spot the team 2 goals without having their top scorer in Carter in the lineup. And regardless if you spot the team 2 goals you normally give up 2 as to be expected, that is 4 GA. We can go into games thinking we have to score 5 goals to have safe lead.
I agree with you I don’t like sitting back and this point in the season that game was so important and it was Minnesota that should have easily walked away with a win giving up only 6 shots in the 3rd.
oh, don’t get me wrong, it’s never 100% one person’s fault, i was exaggerating, there were plenty of examples of the team screwing up.
However, last night, Boucher did his best to make sure we lost 2 points with his poor play. Not that the rest of the team was brilliant, they just didn’t suck as much as the goaltending.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 26, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Or as much as they have the past few games.
by SwimminDave on Mar 26, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No need to argue with that. I’m not even going to see the Penguins game on TV (I may try to follow the thread on my phone but I’ll be at a convention), so I’m hoping I’m either not quite as angry or moved on to ‘Acceptance’ by Sunday, but who knows.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
against Minnesota a team that is horribly offensively I would let off the gas and just play good D. That is what they did they didn’t give up any prime scoring chances and switched their system to less aggressive and more defensive Stevens type system. The same thing many people here are wishing they would do for the entire game. Against WSH you can’t sit back and try to defend but you can against Minnesota since they can’t score.
unless of course, you have a guy in net that is struggling.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 26, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
After everything that they went through to learn Lavvy’s system and the fact that they’re having so much trouble communicating as it is; I personally don’t think this team should ever be switching systems mid-game since they’re not even on the same page as each other to begin with. Play Lavvy’s system since it’s what they’ve got to work with right now, and play it for at least 40 minutes (please!), and we wouldn’t have to complain this much. I’m sure it’s very obvious that I’m still extremely cranky and back into the ‘Anger’ stage of the grief cycle, but I don’t think they can handle trying to play more than one system per game right now.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that is Lavvy’s system hard pressure forecheck 3-1-1 establish lead make defensive plays at the offensive blueline don’t allow clean outs for the opposition. Then late in game defend said lead with a 2-2-1. Stay out of the box.
Yeah, but starting to sit back on a 2 goal lead 10 minutes into the first period doesn’t even count as “late in the game defend said lead”. If that’s what you want them to do at the end, that’s your opinion, but do you really want them switching to that before the end of the first period?
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
#4. depression.
i’ll move back a few steps if the flyers win both this weekend.
if they collapse again, i am finding a bell tower and a very high powered rifle.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
I’m still predicting a first round upset of Washington
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 26, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, the Rangers will probably be a higher seed since they care right now…. if we make the playoffs, it’ll probably be us or the Bruins in that spot (just my guess).
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 26, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
minnesota announcers
for the most part, they were pretty spot on and even-keeled last night.
the one point they had mentioned quite a few times was the hit lappy layed on brodziak in the third. for a recap:
http://wild.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=522784
scroll to point #2
did i miss something? from what i saw, lappy hit him in the chest with his shoulder, and i believe there was minimal contact, if not no contact, with brodziak.
i would have normally just shrugged it off as bad/biased announcing, but like i said, they weren’t that bad.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
That was one of the worst games I’ve ever been to, bar none. I mean, the first two periods were decent, but the third period and overtime were…bad. This comes two days after the one of the most frustrating games I’ve ever seen, bar none. At this point I think making the playoffs would be even more embarrassing, since at this rate we’d likely end up getting swept by the Caps while being outscored something like 20 to 5.

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