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... to be determined in the summer, as they once again try to structure a team based around immovable contracts.

We're all pretty angry and confused right now,and understandably so.  I know I've been the guy who tries to keep us all in check with regard to negativity, etc., but I'm stepping outside of that role for the time being and laying it all on the line.

I've been a fan for a long time.  When I first started going to games as a youngster, Bobby Clarke and Bill Barber were still on the team, Brad McCrimmon was a rookie, Mark Howe had just arrived from Hartford via trade, and a promising young goaltender named Pelle Lindbergh was waiting in the wings.  In other words, I've seen a lot of Flyers hockey.  I saw both first round exits and Stanley Cup runs in the 1980s.  I stayed loyal as the team struggled to adapt to the league's Russian and European influx in the early 1990s.   (Believe me, in 1991, NO ONE wanted to play here.)  I saw the Lindros era in all of its glory and disappointment.  I could go on, and I will... after the jump.

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Since their 1997 Cup Finals appearance - even since the 1989 Russian Invasion -  the one constant flaw I've seen in the Flyers (aside from goaltending) is an inability to keep up with the modern game.  They were too late in getting Russian players; by the time they had a chance, all the good ones were gone and the Flyers were left with Andrei Lomakin and Slava Butsayev.  They were too overzealous in acquiring Eric Lindros, to the point that they literally traded the farm to get him, and thus had no prospects or picks left to trade later so as to build the team around him.  They did not take the time to analyze the rules enough (or something) after the lockout ended, so they signed a bunch of slow defensemen who got eaten alive by the time other teams got used to playing in "The New NHL."  And they were so desperate to compete after the horrific 2006-07 season that they began their ugly trend of signing players to long-term deals with No-Trade or No-Movement Clauses.

The Flyers have some decisions to make in the summer.  No matter how you slice it, it is very likely that a big-name player currently on the team will not be here next season.  The team needs cap money and flexibility; they have too many centers and need wingers and goalies; the list goes on as to WHY one of the team's marquee guys will be elsewhere next season.  Conventional wisdom says that Jeff Carter is most likely to go; he has a $5 million cap hit but will be an RFA after the 2010-11 season.  He will fetch good value in a trade since he is young and has a lot of upside.  Perhaps most importantly, he does not have the NTC or NMC of a Scott Hartnell, Danny Briere, or Simon Gagne.  Carter is the easiest to move out of all of these players and therefore should be the guy to go... right?

Wrong, I say.  A million times wrong.  Just because a particular decision is the easiest doesn't make it right.

If the Flyers had their choice and could move ANY player, I would hope they somehow get Briere off their hands.  I'm not going to make a statistical argument as to why - I'll leave that to Geoff and Mario.  But in my estimation, Briere has become obsolete here.  Let me explain.

Before I proceed, a disclaimer: I realize that the actual trade of Danny Briere is highly unlikely.  Still, a man can dream.  You may share my opinions or you may not.  This post is just for discussion purposes and is not intended to suggest that Briere is a bad guy or that the Flyers would even be able to trade him.  That said, read on.

Remember way back in the 2007-08 season when we got Danny?  He was counted on to be one of "the" guys on offense, as well as one of the locker room leaders of a young, up-and-coming team.  (Remember, he had been one of the co-captains in Buffalo, along with Chris Drury.)  When Danny scored, the team did well.  When he struggled, the team struggled.  (Remember him getting booed during the 10-game losing streak?)  But at the end of the day, he was the "man" and more often than not he played like it.

As good a year as that was for Mr. Briere, a problem arose for him: Mike Richards and Jeff Carter emerged as true talents for the team.  But we began to see other problems as well - some of them long-standing, some of them new.  I honestly think these things have been dragging him down and possibly even causing issues in the locker room.  But more on that later. 

First, let me explain why I would much rather trade Briere than Carter:

1. Tomorrow is already here: Briere was called upon to help the team be competitive while Richards and Carter developed into offensive weapons.  But they have done so already.  And, for the past two seasons, Carter has been the go-to guy for scoring goals.  Granted, Briere was hurt last year, but Carter has taken his place as the premier offensive weapon on the team.  Speaking of injuries:

2. Durability: Before Carter's foot fracture, he played something like 286 straight games for the Flyers.  I wouldn't say Danny is injury-prone, but he's certainly missed his share of time over the course of his career.  In fact, his long absence and subsequent return from the LTIR during the 2008-09 season led to the losses of Glen Metropolit and Ossi Vaananen, and the gain of David Sloane.  In fairness to Danny, it's not his fault that Homer totally screwed up the salary cap.  But I'd rather have a healthy, durable, young player than an older one who has had a couple of long-term injuries.

3. Two-Way Play: Carter has emerged as a solid face-off man this year, and has consistently been a strong player in both ends of the ice.  Briere was shifted to the wing after one year with the Flyers.  He is an offensive dynamo when he is on his game, but back-checking has never been his forte.  Even Claude Giroux does better in the corners than Briere.  Again, I'd rather have someone who is effective all over the rink.

4. Too many cooks spoil the chemistry-broth:  Briere was brought in for his offensive skills and his leadership.  As I said above, he was a co-captain with Chris Drury in Buffalo and was an Alternate here.  Now, he is neither of those things.  After last year, the Flyers determined that they did not have enough veteran leadership so they went out and got Chris Pronger and Ian Laperriere.  Furthermore, correct me if I am wrong but Carter is an Alternate as well.  I remember an article from December, when the Flyers were struggling; one of the players said that "Richie and Carts are going around, talking to the guys, telling them to stay loose..." Not Richards and Briere, not even Richards and Pronger... Richards and Carter.

5. Copying the Penguins: The Pens are successful with a team-drafted triumvirate of centers: Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, and Jordan Staal.  Why can't the Flyers be in the same mold with Richards, Carter, and Giroux?

6. Removing the air of invincibility: Some have suggested that the core / NTC players half-ass it here because they know they aren't going anywhere.  If the Flyers could somehow trade Briere, that illusion would be gone, just like a train.  That might be just what the other guys need to keep them on their toes.

7. Money talks: If the Flyers trade Briere, they can use his newly-vacated cap space to sign free agents, extend current contracts, and have additional cushioning in case the salary cap goes down.

8. A shift in needs: The Flyers got Briere because they needed someone who could score reliably while their younger players developed.  The team doesn't need that anymore.  They now require a reliable goaltender who can play well in this system while Ericsson et. al. are developing.  So yes, this entire post is my extremely long-winded way of saying that the Flyers should trade Danny Briere for Tomas Vokoun; they should NOT trade Jeff Carter.

To close, I want to return to point 4 for a moment and tie that in with my feelings about locker room issues.  Perhaps they are completely unrelated, but I cannot help but wonder if Briere's being "passed over" as a leader on the team doesn't have him a little upset.  He is no longer the offensive star, and he is no longer needed to lead.  Yet he knows that he is firmly entrenched here, what with his NTC and long-term deal.  Plus, whenever he does one of his mini-windmill goal celebrations, I can't help but wonder if he still views himself as the star of the team.  Maybe he is jealous / resistant to guys like Pronger / egotistical?  God only knows for sure.  But SOMETHING bad is going on in that locker room.  It may have nothing to do with Danny Briere. I only picked on him because, as his role has changed over the years, the team's fortunes have reversed. That's just one man's opinion.

My main point is that the Flyers need to get with the times if they hope to compete next season and beyond.  In order to do that, they need to have a stud goalie in place while their prospects develop.  In order to do THAT, they need to move one of their large contracts.  I feel that, if they could somehow acquire Vokoun for Briere, a number of the team's issues would be ameliorated.

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Great post

I enjoyed reading it and I agree with many of your points. Somebody forward this post off to Holmgren!

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by Sakurafire on Mar 27, 2010 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Seeing as how Homer’s job is safe, it might not be a bad idea.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 27, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Luuko is an unbelievable idiot.

“When we’re playing consistently, we’re very good and have as good a shot as anybody,” Luukko said

Problem is they don’t play consistently, ever…thus, they aren’t very good. They are mediocre to the point of almost bad.

by EREX21 on Mar 28, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like I heard somewhere that Danny would be open to a trade / wanted to be traded?

by SwimminDave on Mar 27, 2010 2:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I heard the same thing. A few months back I remember hearing he wanted a trade for family reasons? Anyone else hear that?

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by Mike B on D on Mar 28, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember hearing it, but only on here. It was kind of a similar “I heard this” but there wasn’t any press for it or anything (not even Eklund).

by Ben Feldman on Mar 28, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post. Something about the way this team constructed isn’t right, and it’s something intangible. It may, indeed, just be one player who doesn’t mesh right. Remember how well the team played without Briere earlier in the year? And how well they played without him last year? Their inconsistencies down the stretch can’t really be looked at as due to his return, because Carcillo’s arrival and Upshall’s departure throw another two variables in there, but it’s another interesting point.

I agree that you really can’t draw a conclusion like “it’s all Briere’s fault” from this, but it clearly says something. Regardless, though, if you could convince Briere to waive his NMC to go to hockey-mad Florida, moving him for Vokoun would be a good hockey deal, forgetting whatever the situation is in the locker room.

by Ben Feldman on Mar 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

A three-way deal is also possible. Let’s say Danny doesn’t want to play in Florida; Florida could always find another team to flip him to.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

For whatever reason, I love this current team. If we could win with these guys, I would be one happy dude… however, If we got rid of Hartnell, Coburn, and Parent we could be really good. Spend damn near ALL of that money on a goalie and I’d be happy.

L1: Gags, Richie, Giroux
L2: JVR, Carter, Briere
L3: Carcillo, Betts, Lappy
L4: Matsumoto, Ross, Powe, Maroon, Legin, Asham, Lieno (whoever doesn’t make this line is traded.
D: 1.) Pronger 2.) Timmo 3.) Carle 4.) Krijek 5. Bartullis 6. decent FA pickup (think Krijek, Vannanen etc.)
G. ANYONE WHO HAS A DECENT TRACK RECORD

That is a cup contender.

by orangeandblack20 on Mar 28, 2010 4:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I would biasedly put Asham (and Powe) ahead of both of Betts and Laperriere, but other than that I like what you did there.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 28, 2010 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to know what the hell either one of you is doing up at 5 am on a Sunday morning?

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by MJDII on Mar 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats almost exactly what i would put except:
L3: Carcillo, Powe, Asham -powe’s natural position is center, and with his amazing speed he sould be given some chance to mature offensively
L4: Lappy, Betts, Whoever can make the roster
G: love to see Nabokov but idk if Homer could get a deal like that done

by flyersfangiroux on Mar 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am all about get rid of coburn and hartnell

by sjuhawks42 on Mar 28, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an aside, I think your post highlights exactly why Richards can’t be stripped of the captaincy.

by BroadStreetBully on Mar 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The big problem I’ve seen with the Flyers all season is they lack any kind of identity. What kind of team are they supposed to be? I know a lot of lip service is paid to the legacy of the Broad Street Bullies, but thats all it is, lip service. Sure, they’ve got a few dudes who can throw down, but I see them regularly get out checked and out muscled when working the puck. That is what makes you a physical team, not throwing punches.

Last year they were an offensive powerhouse, ok, thats an identity, I can deal with that. They traded off all their forwards and now go through long stretches where they can’t buy a goal.

I just don’t know who the flyers are supposed to be, and I don’t think they do either. There is no sense of unity to the team, no sense of flow and awareness when they are on the ice. Guys are constantly out of position, everyone is just chasing the puck, rebounds that would be good scoring chances drift out to center because no one is there to pick them up, etc. My girlfriend often comments that they look like contractors out there, a bunch of guys just playing their own game and collecting a paycheck.

When a team lacks identity, lacks unity, that is a problem with the management. You can’t build a team with a checkbook and box of bandaids.

by Angrycoder on Mar 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

That actually says a lot. You don’t have to be big or mean to give up your body for your teammates. This team not only doesn’t have an identity but they are not giving it up for one another. They don’t play as a group or even seem to have any team unity at all. Just look at the lines that they keep mixing up every game. No matter who plays with whom no one seems to be on the same page. We have talked a lot about their talent level but if you aren’t going to be committed to yourself and the guys next to you there is just nothing.
The broad street bully thing is so ridiculous it should not be uttered by this franchise or its fans ever again. That title, Kate Smith, Gene Hart, Bob Clarke and the rest of the lure has to be buried once and for all. The Flyers haven’t been the most intimidating team in this league since the late eighties, period. And I would even go a step further and say before that Tochet’s group in the early eighties they weren’t very intimidating either. The Rangers and the Islanders used to come in here in the early eighties and hit us out of the building.

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by MJDII on Mar 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post is just for discussion purposes and is not intended to suggest that… the Flyers would even be able to trade him.

So you spent like 800 words to argue for something that you concede isn’t possible? Why not write the article to prove the Flyers should trade Riley Cote straight up for Vokoun? It’s about as likely to happen.

Briere has a NMC, why would he waive that to go to a team just starting to rebuild in exchange for the only elite player on that team?

The Flyers have too many centers and not enough wingers. Why would they want to continue to have too many centers on the roster and give up their most talented winger. Furthermore, why would they trade an elite player with five years left on his contract for a guy with one season left?

Florida wants young talented players to rebuild long term, not players in their 30s who will have already peaked by the time they get the rest of the team in contention.

But other than the fact that it makes zero sense for any of the parties involved….

by MarioD on Mar 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

You keep saying we have too many centers. We have four.

It makes sense for the Flyers, in that they have people who can do what Briere has been doing, but no one who can do what Vokoun has been doing. But, as you point out, Florida would not and should not do it.

by Snevik on Mar 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briere
Richards
Carter
GIroux
Betts
Powe

Thats six.

by MarioD on Mar 28, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just called Briere the Flyers’ “most talented winger.”

They’ll play Powe anywhere. He doesn’t factor into the logjam at center.

by Snevik on Mar 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you werer just listing for reference, but would you agree that the order should be Briere, Giroux, Richards and Betts? And if you want to switch Carter for Giroux that is fine but one of those guys has to snag us a winger and a goaltender. And that either means in cap space or in trade. I am now believing that this organization will never be able to support a talent like Giroux and they might want to move him in the offseason.

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by MJDII on Mar 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually went to NHLnumbers to look at the roster and make sure I didn’t miss anyone, so that list was in (unrelatedly) descending order of cap hit.

Not really sure I understand what you’re asking me when you say “the order should be…”. What ranking are you asking for?

by MarioD on Mar 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant 1 through 4 playing position.

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by MJDII on Mar 28, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make up your mind, Mario – you list Briere as a center, but also call him the most talented winger. I don’t even think he IS the most talented winger; injuries this season aside, Gagne is far more talented as a goal-scorer and in defensive coverage whereas Briere can only pass. That said, I’d rather have an excess of ‘centers’ than wingers, since its an easier transition from center to wing than the reverse. The four ‘real’ centers on the team should be Richards, Carter, Giroux, and Betts; Powe is a serviceable utility forward, and don’t forget that Lappy actually played center as well. As such, Briere becomes expendable.

The real kicker here is that I (and everyone else, including the coaching staff) was hoping for real chemistry between Briere and Carter. With Hartnell digging in the corner and crowding the net, Briere feeding Carter’s wicked wrister sounded like instant gold. As we all know, they showed brief flashes of it during the time together, but it never really clicked. And without that chemistry, Briere’s position in the lineup become fluid. Do you place him with Gagne to see if they click, even though Richards and Simon have obvious chemistry? Do you drop Briere down, and have a billion-dollar-salary player center your third line, trying to feed JVR and Leino/Asham passes? Or, as they have done most of this season, keep hoping it finally clicks with Carter? This is why he is 100% expendable.

While I agree that overcoming his NTC (or NMC, whatever) is a HUGE hurdle – and most likely an insurmountable one when you add in his huge cap hit – the dream is a nice one. Rather than having Briere, I’d love to have a strong power winger (a la Knuble) and a starting goalie – wouldn’t you???

by penguinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

First off, no, I don’t want Mike Knuble. He’s very overpaid.

Second, Knuble and a starting goaltender far exceed Briere’s cap space. The Flyers are not going to get a starting goaltender for $3m dollars.

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Merely an example on the Knuble reference; there were several FAs this season that got paid less (and were younger). Just a body in front who can knock in the occassional goal.

And (admitting I didn’t look) what IS Briere’s cap hit??? You saying they couldn’t get a starting goalie – perhaps not Vokoun, but maybe a restructured Niemi – and a winger for the same money?

by penguinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK I looked – $6.5 million. So then let’s see:
Colby Armstrong, cap hit of $2.4 million
Kari Lehtonen, cap hit of $3 million.
Savings – $1.1 million.
Just the quickest example I could find …

by penguinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather have Briere than Armstrong and Lehtonen. I think both of those guys are overpaid. I’d rather have Esche/Emery/Biron/etc. for $1.5m than Lehtonen for $3m.

Also, I’m not really sure how you think that was/is a trade that is possible to accomplish

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briere and Gagne have clicked before this, when they’ve managed to stay healthy. Gags-Briere-Knuble scored 24 points in the first 7 games of 07-08. If I recall correctly, Homer envisioned Briere playing with Simon when he went after him, but I don’t have a source of that.

by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 29, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The purpose of my post was to say why I’d rather see Briere gone than Carter.

It is possible that the Flyers could do a three-way trade which includes Florida, and has the Panthers flipping Briere to someone else who can afford him (and for whom he wants to play).

With the extra money they have from Briere’s cap hit being sent elsewhere, the Flyers can sign a free agent winger or trade for one.

Please tell me how this makes “zero sense.” Carter is younger, more durable, better at faceoffs, is effective all over the ice, and is emerging as a team leader. Lest you forget, you were suggesting that the Flyers trade him for a goalie with one year left on his contract.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

GREAT piece. I couldn’t have agreed with it, or enjoyed it, more. Anyone who says it doesn’t make any sense doesn’t actually watch hockey.

by The DTrain on Mar 28, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me how this makes "zero sense." Carter is younger, more durable, better at faceoffs, is effective all over the ice, and is emerging as a team leader.

1) No one in their right mind would trade five years of Briere for one year of Carter. That’s why it makes no sense.
2) That magical cap space you speak of doesn’t exist. Briere’s contract is only a $1m cap hit more than Carter’s.
3) This team’s leadership is exactly one of the reasons they are going to miss the playoffs this season. It needs to be blown up.
4) I’d also like to know who the magical third team in this three way trade would be.

by MarioD on Mar 28, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. If Briere is traded, then the Flyers would extend Carter. That goes without saying.
2. You yourself praised the Flyers for accidentally saving $800,000 from next year’s cap. So there’s nothing wrong with saving $1,000,000.
3. Pronger and Timonen led the team meeting the other night. Get those guys the hell out of here.
4. I have no idea. I mentioned it as a possibility. Three-way trades happen all of the time.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 28, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. If Briere is traded, then the Flyers would extend Carter. That goes without saying.

They still won’t have the money for that unless they let Vokoun walk.


2. You yourself praised the Flyers for accidentally saving $800,000 from next year’s cap. So there’s nothing wrong with saving $1,000,000.

That’s not the point. The point is that the extra million dollars is not enough to

With the extra money they have from Briere’s cap hit being sent elsewhere, the Flyers can sign a free agent winger or trade for one.

With the extra million, all they can get is a role player. Even Laperierre makes more money than that.

3. Pronger and Timonen led the team meeting the other night. Get those guys the hell out of here.

This is just factually wrong.


4) I’d also like to know who the magical third team in this three way trade would be.

Well then, it’s obviously not a viable option.

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why you gotta do that thing?

As far as point 3, you said that the team leadership needed to be blown up. There are two of your team leaders right there – Pronger and Timonen.

Your anti-Richards and Carter bias is frightening. What’s wrong with them – they like to go out and have a good time? News flash: The Broad Street Bullies Cup teams acted the same way those two do. The only difference now is that people have camera phones, etc. I think Paul Holmgren even said something to that effect when the first “party” pictures came out – “I’m glad they didn’t have camera phones when I was a player.”

With the extra million, all they can get is a role player.

You ignored the part where I said:

the Flyers can sign a free agent winger or trade for one.

Remember how upset we all were when Jones was picked up by the Kings? Our biggest point of contention was that we now payed $1.37 million to someone on another team, and as you correctly stated, we wouldn’t have as much cap room to take on additional salary via trade.

I’ll concede about the free agent part of my argument, but if the Flyers had an additional $1 million in cap space, they could trade for someone who makes more than Ian Laperriere. So there’s that.

Another news flash: You quoted yourself by saying

4) I’d also like to know who the magical third team in this three way trade would be.

and then said

Well then, it’s obviously not a viable option.

So you used your own point to contradict me? I actually said

I mentioned it as a possibility. Three-way trades happen all of the time.

This is true, and therefore it is a viable option.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Broad Street Bullies Cup teams acted the same way those two do. The only difference now is that people have camera phones, etc.

Incorrect. The difference now is that the good teams in the league don’t do that. Whereas in the 70s all the players went out drinking after the games… when’s the last time you heard about Crosby, Ovechkin, Zetterberg, et al out drinking the night before a game? Does not happen.


I’ll concede about the free agent part of my argument, but if the Flyers had an additional $1 million in cap space, they could trade for someone who makes more than Ian Laperriere.

No, they couldn’t. They could trade for someone who makes $1m dollars, which is still less than Laperierre.

Finally, three-way trades happen extremely rarely. There hasn’t been a single one this entire season. And saying “trades are legal under the NHL CBA” does not mean there is a viable three-team trade for Briere. It’s just nonsense.

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They weren’t just drinking after the games they were drinking before the games and in the middle of games. The locker room was a poker, cigarettes and beer environment in the 70’s.

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by MJDII on Mar 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But EVERY locker room was. That’s the point.

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re missing the point of what I’m saying.

They could trade for someone who makes $1m dollars, which is still less than Laperierre.

When you were upset about losing Jones via re-entry waivers, were you thinking that the Flyers could trade for someone who made $1.37 million? No, you were thinking that they should have acquired someone who made $2 million. Such a trade was no longer possible when they had to pay half of Jones’ salary to LA.

What I’m saying is, if they had an extra $1 million in cap space, they could do something like trade a $2 million player for a $3 million one.

That’s just an example, mind you. Please don’t ask me “Who on the Flyers makes $2 million that you would trade for $3 million etc. etc?” It’s just an example to illustrate my point.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What on earth are you talking about?

Take a look at the dealine deals. All the meaningful ones are NHL player for Prospect or Draft Pick.

The fact is, $1m is not enough cap space to make a significant upgrade to any position, no matter how much you want it to be.

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carter will also be an RFA. So even if he moved after next season the flyer’s will get equal compensation for him

by tmurder on Mar 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they’ll get draft picks. Which won’t help the team until about 2015.

by MarioD on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that would be saying someone knowledgeable would be making the picks.

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by MJDII on Mar 29, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think anyone would wish for that as an outcome, but the reality is he probably will not want to move to where the best offer is coming from, also there is a more limited marketplace for that contract for that many years. We need too much help to be limited. I know no one wants to hear it but Carter brings the best offers to the table for so many reasons, specifically all the ones you noted above. Personally I wanted to trade carter for Plechanek and Halak and try to get two for the price of one.

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by MJDII on Mar 28, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carter gets you the most bang for your buck …unless ed wade is working in the NHL and would take on Briere’s contract. The bottom line is we will be neogiating from the low ground, the suitors will have the high ground. Any GM with half a brain would set his sights on Carter provided that’s what they need.

by j reed on Mar 29, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only we could trade with Don Waddell all of the time.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

missing points

1st of all I agree whole heartily that Carter should not be traded. Here is what you are missing.

- Carter goes RFA Gagne also goes UFA. Gagne at his age and his injury history is not going to get anything close to his current 5.250 million cap hit.

- The Flyers cap improves this offseason, we will have nearly 9 million in free space needing to add a #1 Goalie with only Carcillo, Coburn, Parent, Asham, and Powe needing new contracts from the current starting roster. Asham and Powe can walk for all I care resigning the other 3 won’t cost us huge money.

and most importantly

- Giroux is doesn’t have to play center, he should and can play wing, he was drafted as a winger and RW no less the weakest position on our team. Danny should be centering the 3rd line and we no longer have a log jam at center. We just need better skilled wingers to get the most out of a 3rd line playmaking center, which both Giroux and Briere are. I am tired of Asham and Carcillo fumbling prime scoring chances, they are not top line guys we don’t have to skill right now to run 3 scoring lines which means the 3rd line center would be wasting his talents much like Giroux has been doing all season.

by chrislanci on Mar 31, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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