Broad Street Hockey's 2010 Trade Deadline Extravaganza
by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST
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PrintWelcome to BSH's 2010 trade deadline open thread. We'll be following all the rumors and chat live here all day in the comments section here, straight through the 3 PM trade deadline. Join us, won't you?
We're going to keep this post mainly after the jump so it doesn't take up too much room on the front page, but once you do jump, you'll find the entire conversation and a plethora of tools to help you digest this deadline day.
The Tools
Twitter, whether you like it or not, is becoming necessary on days like today. With that in mind, and the idea not everybody wants to sign up, we have the BSH Twitter tracker. You can find it linked on the side of the home page on days that aren't today, but we're putting it right here in the open for the day.
Other Places To Visit
- SB Nation has you covered with live updates and analysis from the best network of hockey blogs on the Internet. [SBN]
- TSN's live trade coverage with audio. [TSN]
- Puck Daddy has live blogs going all day. [PD]
- Spector's Hockey has a bunch of rumors. [Spector's]
- Finally, The Fourth Period has your rumors as well. [TFP]
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Flyers will NOT move Carter I am told
by Mitchell Green on Mar 3, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
And they shouldn’t.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 3, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I for it!
We need to address the situation sooner or later
Vokoun is the best option that going to be available for a while
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with SanFilippo: If Florida drops asking price to Hartnell + Boosh (probably have to upgrade that option, then waive Bouch… try Parent?), I’m in.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
This I could support. Of course Hartnell will have to waive his NTC.
by LegionofDoom on Mar 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t know that, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
True, no income tax. 6% state sales tax. About a 2-2.5% property tax depending on location in Broward County.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Yeah, I figured that was what you meant. It comes up during free agency for every sport whenever Florida teams try to lure players from other parts of the country.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Yeah. I mean, then you just buy everything online (as I do anyway) and you’re out of the sales tax.
And I don’t think the property tax could be any worse than owning in Philadelphia, you know?
Yeah – three months where the average temperature is over 90 degrees, five more months where it’s in the 80s. Average of 59.2 inches of precipitation per year (Philly averages 50.2). Something like 30% of the population doesn’t speak English at home. The state bird is the mosquito. Sawgrass, saw palm, alligators, brain-eating amoebas (I kid you not), bear, panther, poisonous plants…it’s a freakin’ paradise down here, man.
It’s not that bad, but it ain’t all Disney World and popsicles either.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Sawgrass, saw palm, alligators, brain-eating amoebas (I kid you not), bear, panther, poisonous plants
None of that is in Miami.
No, that’s the hotels with barbed-wire fences and cockroaches the size of small dogs. If you’re filthy stinking rich, Miami’s a nice place. If you’re only making Dan Carcillo money, it’s not so nice.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
He’ll live in Weston which is really nice actually.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
it’s the insurance bill that sucks
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll be giddy if we can shop Hartnell for a bag of bucks. Throw in a world-class goalie along with it and I’ll dance the night away.
Jeff Carter on the other hand…..I would be a little more hesitant.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
sure but
it’s going to be hard to fit a lot of deer into a bag, those horns man
I don’t see us being able to get Vokoun for just that but if that is it I’ll take take that right away
Toss in Jason Ward?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
With a 2nd or 1st coming back, I’d sign that paperwork in a heartbeat. Straight up, I’d hesitate, but probably pull the trigger.
I think it’s possible because Florida has trouble affording Vokoun and may be willing to go with Clemenson.
I agree, throw in the pick and despite not wanting to lose Carter, Vokoun would be a huge upgrade
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Flyers are getting fleeced without a pick, but much better address the needs of their franchise.
However, before I make that trade, I’d put Carter on the open market and you might get a much better return.
so what are you thinking he might fetch on the open market?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
think he gets a decent player + first rounder?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I think he could get a hell of a lot more than that. I think he could get a package worth almost as much as Pronger.
just wondering, i really have no idea given his consistency issues.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Id be pissed if we got any other goalie than Voloun. This also includes over the summer.
No other options are actually good!
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Columbus wants a 1st round pick for Raffi Torres. (no, that’s not a typo.)
Has to be posturing.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ya I head that too. Apparetly they have 10 or so teams asking about Torres. So if demand is that high, they might get itt it
by Mitchell Green on Mar 3, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that’s enough at all.
Generally, I disagree with SanFilippo’s assumption that Boucher has value. I’m resigned to having to waive him. (Plus, he’d make a great backup for next year)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Reported on TV as well. No one knows what for.
Appparently he was told over the weekend he was traded, packed and said goodbye, then was told there was a hiccup. BUt now the deal was done.
Bruins are trying to free up cap space. They want Torres, Whitney or Corvo
by Mitchell Green on Mar 3, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Boston gets a fourth-round pick in 2011 for Derek Morris.
by Mitchell Green on Mar 3, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
There should be no trading of Richards, Carter, JVR, or Giroux. Leighton has done nothing to suggest we need to replace him. If we traded Carter for Vokoun I’d be extremely upset, even with a pick coming back. Carter is an elite young scorer, one of the fastest players in the league, with one of the hardest shots in the league. Vokoun would be with us for two years and though he’s been elite at times in his career, I think that shakes up the team and hurts our future way too much.
current flyers roster = first round loss
roster-carter+vokoun&picks = possible ECF, IMO and at least something to build on for the future
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
yes but he is lazy dose not push himself to truly reach the next level, much less his full potential
AND that attitude is infectious and could spread in our lockeroom
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I’d trade Nodl for Mueller.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Soured on him that much? That kid has some potential, if the ‘Yotes are willing to dump him for AHLers I’d be all over that.
I am. Everything I’ve heard (mostly from PHX people coming over here) plus the numbers tell me the kid is broken. I want no part of somebody who’s that fragile – both physically and mentally.
But! If it was Rob Bellamy or Matt Clackson or Garret Klotz, I’d swing that deal in a second.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
As I said on the radio show, he could right now be a decent third-line checker and PKer. Change the expectation of “scorer” to “defensively responsible two-way forward”, and he’s something. Probably on par with Powe right now, actually. Just not as much energy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
JVR, Carcillo, Pyorala, Leino – Four LWs right there. Now, is that good enough? Probably not, but they have no shortage of LWs
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I disagree that the other three can’t play, but you could conceivably do it:
JVR-Carter-Briere
Carcillo-Richards-Asham
Leino-Giroux-Powe
Pyorala-Betts-Laperriere
Now, the weaknesses are on the RW (Asham, Powe) and not the left.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, you could (and probably should) do it like this instead:
JVR-Carter-Briere
Carcillo-Richards-Giroux
Leino-Powe-Asham
Pyorala-Betts-Laperriere
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I agree. But it frees up a ton of cap space for next year, where you can go out and sign Frolov or Plekanec
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I’m aware. That is just in response to “Who will play LW?”
The answer is that losing two LWs isn’t the problem, it’s losing two top-six forwards.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yes it did.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
2 NTCs and about 6 million dollar difference in salary to a team that is broke.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s too much… Plus what Derek F said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
It’s too bad the Flyers have a game tonight. If I were them, I’d spend this day drinking myself out of awareness.
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And you think that having a game will stop them from doing this because??
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
That’s true. They are in Florida, so there’s probably a lot of earlybird nightlife to be found.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently I’m in the wrong part of Florida…
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
O-town? I’m in WPB. It’s almost like night and day, seriously, i’ve lived in both.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
“Unincorporated Orange County” – out near UCF. I actually prefer the quiet. Lakeland was nice when I lived there. Close enough to Tampa and Orlando to go over for the nightlife, far enough away that it didn’t get the noise and traffic.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
I lived in Kissimmee for many years. S. Florida isn’t even comparable.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
True. There’s at least three different regions to Florida, and probably four – South, Central, and Panhandle are all radically different from each other, and I’d argue that the rural areas (true rural, not the suburbs or near-urban areas) are a different culture too. None of the regions really seem to share much culturally.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Am I the only one who thinks we should stand pat despite the fact that we probably can’t contend this year. Any trade we make is just going to dig us into a deeper hole.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions
I’m 100% with you there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
If thats your feeling, then you have to start selling players. The worst thing the Flyers can do is stand pat. They HAVE to improve. I want them to improve the future, not the present, but I’m resigned to the fact that this won’t happen. But they can’t allow this opportunity to pass by without making any improvements to the franchise.
That is never going to happen, we both know that. I was talking about the 2 realistic trade scenarios.
A. We give up way to much for an overrated rental player.
B. We stand pat, don’t do anything stupid and try to address these issues during the off-season.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nabokov is a UFA this summer and Vokoun can fit under the cap without trading Cater and we can always threaten to assign Hartnell to the Phantoms if he doesn’t waive his NTC giving us a bit of the upper hand
like I been saying forever there are 3 goalies in the league that are sure things Lundquist, Miller and maybe Broudeur (his olympics wasn’t stellar either) other than it is all who is HOT and who is NOT
exactly if the best goalie always wins than Broduer would have had a lot more than 3 rings in his career and Hasek would have grabbed some too when he was on Buffalo
Lindbergh? Hextall?
Granted that’s basically about it, but we’ve still had some.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
Is Holmgren even up yet, does anyone know?
by MJDII on Mar 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha, nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know if it’s been asked. But have any of the players with NTC’s been asked if they’d be willing to waive it?
ugh
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Great catch… I’m dumb.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
+12345 Work can wait, this only happens once a year.
by LegionofDoom on Mar 3, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Not June 25?
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
I watched this past summer, but normally I havned saved the day to sit in front of the TV
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
It’s even more dull when you’re there, trust me,
Well, day two at least. Night one is kinda fun.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Definetly prepared for this. Got all neccesary work done for today out of the way yesterday… Although that doesn’t stop people from trying to ruin it for me.
I heard that. I have an Annual Report to design, but that can wait. lol
by LegionofDoom on Mar 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Derek Morris for a 4th… that’s a pretty big salary dump.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions
One year ago, Phoenix traded Morris away for Kalinin, Prucha, and Dawes. Today they got him back for a 4th round pick.
That franchise is not nearly as bad as people think. I hope they move somewhere that actually has fans.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 3, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Phoenix made out like bandits. Boston, however, just wanted to get rid of him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
old guys
any of the old guys available Selanne, Tkachuk, Kariya etc.. a Bill Guerin type addition might be cheaper to get than Torres etc..
Remember guys, don’t trust everybody on Twitter..
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Including you? pfffft. I kid, I kid.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Especially if they offer you candy.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
The Flyers stuff on Craigslist is rarely PG-rated, too.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
You’d be surprised at how often the two overlap.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly yes. But that’s not even close to feasible.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
funny, but now every trade suggestion needs to include “cap” implications.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Vokoun is on the ice for the Panthers this morning in optional practice skate, just thought i’d throw that out there.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions
Toronto successfully flipped Skoula to Jersey. Waiting to see what for.
Shero taking a beating this week.
not if they trade Semin, and OV to get him
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
it’s 11:01 am, and apparently i’ve missed a lot
anyone care to bring me up to date?
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions
thank god b/c obviously Im useless at work and cant type NTC without screwing it up!
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
You’ve missed nothing for the Flyers.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Oh come on, there were some nice moments in 1989.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
You mean facing Canada’s best young superstar, destroying our Stanley Cup dreams year after Year
Thank god thats over
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
nicely played sir
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
weren’t we talking about that yesterday. Typical buzz nosense, a day late and a dollar short.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna go make breakfast, as you were gentleman
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions
This garbage gives me a headache like nothing else. This day can’t end soon enough.
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I herd they ALL just put their seats and tray tables into their FULL upright position, but cant tweet it
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Champagne brunch is on the card, I presume.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing, really.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
3 posts
2 of them about Homers eating habbits
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Dennis Seidenberg to Boston.
http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/9930860910
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florida just got a 2nd round pick they can now give us
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Seidenberg’s Uncertainty Principle!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Mar 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You change what you see?
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
still cooking
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
if u can believe it, i make a mean eggs flipped
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Hey MarioD, Just listening to Jeff Marek on Sirius and a lot of people think there were better deals for Poni and the Leafs got a little hosed. 5th rounder and Caputi might not be that bad of a trade.
Don’t you hate when you cant see the text box and you keep pushing Z and realize it is in the message area?
I thought I was the only person that does that. lol
by LegionofDoom on Mar 3, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
So good to hear I’m not the only one that does that, haha
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 3, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
maybe they know something about Ward that we don’t?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
back injury is more serious then they are making it out to be?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
But trades usually don’t work that way.
Usually, when talking about low level players, there are equivalently valued players at each position and Carolina should’ve been able to say “give us a mostly washed up dman prospect instead”
oh, i was talking about CAM not Aaron, haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
… so they can trade them to us!
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
well, not trade. but allow us to pick up on waivers.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Nick Boynton was traded to Chicago for future considerations.
Not sure if that happened today or a while ago, but either way, Chicago didn’t claim him on re-entry waivers a month ago, but took him for a full cap hit instead. How dumb.
Yeah, I clipped that to put in the Fly By, but wasn’t able to do it.
That was really stupid, especially for a team with such cap constraints.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Hypothetical
If we put someone on out team that had a NTC on Wavers ….say Hartnell could someone pick him up?
Yes, but some players have no-movement clauses which means that can’t be put on waivers.
Briere and Timonen fit under that category, Hartnell and Gagne just have NTC.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
could a team get a heads up before the other teams about a player put on waivers?
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter. Teams have 24 hours to put a claim in, and whoever is lower in the standings gets him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I remembered it saying something in there, which is why I checked. It only talks about whether or not the new club is bound by the NTC after they retrieve the player, so yes they can be waived and claimed.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’m reading through that section, and think I found another oddity – if a player has a no movement clause, but voluntarily agrees to be loaned to an AHL team, they cannot be claimed off waivers, because they cannot involuntarily be moved. I have trouble thinking of a way that could feasibly happen, but it struck me as unusual.
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Carle is being shopped now? Really?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions
not holding my breath
Blowing off all work… but not holding my breath
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’m more down on Gagne then Hartnell, but that would work for me too.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I like hartnell a lot. I don’t think Florida would want Gagne as much as they’d want Hartnell.
It would solve a present day problem and also create a lot of cap flexibility since Carle is signed through 2012 and Hartnell is signed through 2013.
I am onboard with that and we gain another 2 million in cap space give up close to 5 million to add a winger
i’m not convinced that a rebuilding team would take on that much salary for two underachieving players but maybe homer could use a jedi mind trick to pull it off
Flyers D-man Matt Carle and and TB goalie Mike Smith are a few names being shopped but getting little attention.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
We should have made trade rumor bingo boards. They’ve called out almost all the names by now.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
And why would we weaken our team defense?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
well, when you look at Carle as “Pronger’s partner”, I’m pretty sure he’d make Danny Syvret a serious Norris candidate.
/half-kidding.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is playing as good as he will ever play
I think we would only trade him as a package for a big trade
Man for man I dont see a good option at all
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
After last year, they certainly don’t go to the barber on deadline day.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Upshall found out he was traded at his barbers shop
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"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
It would not help any of their egos to log on here
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Edmonton claimed Ryan Jones on waivers from Nashville.
I have no idea what the fuck Poile was doing.
Who the fuck is philabright and where are his brain cells??
It would make sense for the Flyers to try and snag a 2nd for Carle to re-package in another deal.
Im fairly sure that in Homers mind, that makes perfect sense.
"NO HONOR"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Nagging suspicion that there is something he should not forget to do today but cant quite remember what it is
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I tried that and even sent it to Eklund. No dice.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
did you wait 24 hours?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
If we can just swing Toews and Nash, we can move Richie to left wing – that would be a pretty decent 4th line
Oh goodie. If you thought it was nonsensical seeing a stream of “getting on a plane!” tweets, here come your “just landed in tampa!” tweets.
How enlightening…
Heh.
Tomas Vokoun starting in goal for Panthers tonight vs. Flyers, according to Coach Pete DeBoer
http://twitter.com/sgorten/status/9931694918
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That seems like a pretty pointless tweet…
Now, had he said “I’m told Tomas Vokoun will start tonight in Florida” and just left it there, he could have started at least 5 minutes of mindless excitement.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
He did not specify what team he would start for
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
“vs. Flyers” implies for Panthers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
sorry post fail
OK in not even reading the post.
Time for lunch
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I will be very surprised if the Flyers don’t acquire Rolosson today. Pronger and the Flyers went to great lengths last summer to attempt to acquire him.
me too. And I’ll take an angry protest sign to the game tonight.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Being a Flyers fan on trade day is like being the kid on the block that got the sweater for Christmas.
haha, Dean McAmmond: sweater
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a starter… just look for dates in March: http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/trade.cgi
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
7th rounder
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
wow. That’s pretty low.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Seventh round pick. Who knew they even had that many rounds?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 3, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Gives them a bit of grit, for a change.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I hate that I have to go to work and miss the rest of the excitement… I won’t know anything now til after 7!
hahaha, excellent.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
“You’re here with The Cougar and the Lunatic!”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
“Kansas City’s HOME OF THE ROCK!”
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
attempt at real life communication
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
philabright Scott Walker to Caps for 7th rounder is a steal. Good playoff pickup for GMGM.
Seriously, no one knows who this dope is?
you’re breaking down a tweet and taking more time then it took him/her to write it. disregard this troll
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
The sound of one hand clapping...
… is far louder than any noise the Flyers will make today.
If they’re “not close” to doing anything now, they’re not going to get any closer in the next 2 hours.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
How many times did Seravalli say the Flyers were close yesterday? Hamhui and Roloson, a couple times each.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
He was actually saying Rolloson wouldn’t get done.
Source tells me the Flyers/Roloson talks are still preliminary.
Had a source just talk to Dwayne Roloson right now, who said he “hasn’t heard anything” and “doesn’t know what to expect.”
Though he did relay someone else saying it would happen:
RT @BDGallof: 95% chance Roloson gets moved per Isles source.
He said he thought Hamhuis wouldn’t be moved until the last moment as Poile tried to up the return, but did say he thought something was close with Nashville.
As of last night, it looked like the offers weren’t good enough
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I read that. I have no idea how he concludes “it makes no sense to move rolosson for a 3rd round pick”.
Really? On a team being built to contend two seasons from now, you need to keep a 40 year old goalie with one more year on his contract?
I hear what you’re saying, but I guess they’re thinking they can get more for him than that. That, or they’re trying to get more for him.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
And at 3:00 we will be reminded that deals might have been made but are still going through the NHL offices so we might not have herd about them yet
……………………………………………………………………….and so we will
by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Canucks, Flyers, Oilers among teams burning the phone lines.
http://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/9934223456
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I’m burning the phone lines trying to get better tickets for tonights game.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
… it’s Florida. Can’t you just walk down?
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i could get great seats cheap at the arena, but I’ve got a line on some club seats (free food and beer with ticket price)
Actually, the game tonight should be quite full. Flyers always draw a big crowd, of course, mostly Flyer fans.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
so they don’t count against this year’s 50 contract limit?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the “contract limit” is for players signed for the 09-10 season then… Only caveat about that I’m aware of is the “slide-rule”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand.
Remember last year JVR signed a try-out contract for the rest of the season, and a contract that began this year? I think its the same thing without the try-out.
CapGeek has a list of all the players signed to a contract here, and the “slide-rule” applies to the three players in Juniors (Wellwood, Rinaldo, Hostetter) – they only count against the 50 if they are 18 or 19 when signed and play more than 11 games in the NHL this year.
My assumption is that last year, JVR didn’t sign an NHL contract and therefore did not count against the 50. But if he did, then my previous comment is this: I’m assuming those players signed recently are signed beginning in 10-11, and the 50 limit only counts those with NHL contracts for the current season.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
JVR signed a 2009-10 contract, and was on a tryout for his games with the Phantoms last year.
I guess I’m confused as to why signing a contract for the 2010-11 season would count in 2009-10?
JVR signed a 2009-10 contract, and was on a tryout for his games with the Phantoms last year.
So then I’m assuming he counted against last year’s 50 contract limit.
I guess I’m confused as to why signing a contract for the 2010-11 season would count in 2009-10?
I don’t think that it does. That was something I wasn’t sure of: Whether the contract limit only counted this year, or all NHL contracts the team has signed. Apparently, it’s only the NHL contracts for this season.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
My bad: I’m assuming he didn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve gotta get Baicker out of that feed on this page. She’s fucking awful. Hasn’t reported a single thing all day, just chatting with other retards on twitter and passing along the actual reporting being done by her colleagues.
She is not reporting anything because there has hardly anything to report for the Flyers. What has Homer done of note? Wake up? Order a martini?
In all seriousness, when she does report, her reporting is very accurate.
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Tpanotch is just as bad with his taco stories and flight schedule. Did you guys realize that not having draft picks is hurting us?
I disagree. And I know this because Baicker has reposted all of Pannaccio’s news along as the only hockey related things she’s written all day.
All from today:
And in case you are wondering the #Flyers have NOT asked Gagne to waive his no-trade. Could be scaling back what they want to do
Flyers will NOT move Carter I am told
Source in fla says they want carter for vokoun. Vokoun would waive NTC for flyers
Pole still shopping Hamhuis but flyers still in iT
Flyers’ source going into this morning’s trade deadline: “We don’t know what to expect because there’s been so much talk,” nothing more.
Why is it that you have to argue with anyone with a differing view? All the stuff he’s posted I’ve read before or almost at the exact same as I’ve viewed it somewhere else. And he has more pointless tweets then meaningful. I personally don’t like him, is that ok with you? Or does everyone always have to agree with your opinions?
You have to agree with objective facts.
And the fact is he’s spoken to people all day and posted news worthy info many times. Even if it was just reiterating that a position hasn’t changed, its news.
Really you just amaze me sometimes. Your actually trying to tell me I have to like him because of your “objective facts”. Wether I find him interesting or worthy of following has nothing to do with objective facts. It’s an opinion and I’m free to have whatever opinion I want regardless of what you think.
I’m telling you are wrong to say
it’s not like we’ve learned anything from his dribble really either.
because, objectively, we have learned quite a bit from him today.
Wow, you just don’t stop do you. Fine I miss spoke, it’s not like I’ve learned anything from his dribble today. Now just shut up for once and move on from something that isn’t even important.
Is Bettman still running the Coyotes? They are totally killing it today!
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probably, although i said that with some sarchasm of course, I do actually like what they are doing.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I thought you were serious. I like what they’ve done, too.
I’m just confused because he’s not listed on their roster at hockeybuzz
He was in the AHL, yes.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone watching NHL network confused by how close McGuire and this other dude are standing to each other. Seems like they’re about to make out.
FUCK.
Belanger, the guy I’ve been saying since November the Flyers should get, goes to Washington for a 2nd.
guess it helps to have a 2nd rounder. Who knew?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of team stocking up on depth an grit and here we are with the same old, same old.
Homer needs to resign.
They can take 18m of annualized salary on.
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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
seems that way.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to know what price was “too high” though… Was it JVR or Giroux? Good, too high. Carter? Eh…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not straight up, but as the core of the trade, I’d accept it. I’d prefer something else, but I want Vokoun
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh: TSN reminds us of the Beezer over Joseph decision.
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Kevin Weekes criticizes the Flyers ability to draft goalies and defensemen.
He’s clearly forgetting about Maxime Ouellet, Dennnis Seidenberg, and Denis Bodrov.
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Interesting tweet from James Mirtle
Only 12 deals so far. The last six years, there’s been an average of about 24 on deadline day. An hour to go.
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Say whaaaaaat.
The #Flyers are among teams talking about Kaberle, I am told… guess they still like him after all this time
http://twitter.com/tpanotch/status/9936420688
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They wanted Carter last year, so who knows
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
If I am Holmgren I would put some sun block on about now so not to get burned on the beach after 4 hours.
Raffi Torres to the Sabres
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for a second rounder and Nathan Paetsch. Wow, lucky we couldn’t afford that one.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
If you step back and look objectively at what should happen in the next hour:
Rolosson or Biron to Philly
Kaberle to Washington
Hamhuis to Colorado
http://twitter.com/KatieStrangNYI/status/9936726388
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
1) I don’t really care what that 19 year old girl says
2) I’m not saying those deals will. Just that those are the deals that should happen. There are plenty of idiotic GMs around the league to fuck them up. But thats what should happen.
by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She’s the beat writer for Newsday…
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
She’s 25-26, graduated from MSU and Columbia, she isn’t just some random girl who tweets about the Isles.
Number One, it’s Twitter, let’s not act like it’s anything more than that.
Number Two, how do you know where that photo came from? It’s just her face, she could have been standing in front of a church for all you know.
Of course Baicker is doing her damnedest to prove that she can be just as unprofessional on twitter as her adversary to the north by using the moment she has the largest audience to date to, rather than report news, talk about how flirty she is.
BEST F’ING POST OF THE DAY!
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t see how Roloson or Biron would be that much of an improvement over Leighton. It would have been nice to see Vokoun at a reasonable price, but I don’t see Roloson or Biron hoisting a Stanley Cup in orange and black.
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Roloson? Yes please.
Biron? No thank you.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This.
Roloson is quite solid.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
The sound of one hand clapping grows ever quieter...
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Everything else is saying Kaberle is staying put.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
to be a part of one of the best defensive corps ever and have a chance at playoff hockey this year, i guess
best dcorps ever? pushing it…
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
this reminds me of the beginning of armageddon where the asteroids are first hitting the atmosphere and everyone is reporting a different incoming missile
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions
The most exciting Flyers news of the day....
…is that Giroux and Reemer got their picture up on yahoo finally.
"NO HONOR"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Holy shit …I think hockey is like amphetamines for you diehards….talk about devotion…. So did we do anything exciting?
Toskala to the Flames.
Wore out his welcome in Anaheim already.
Soon Curtis McElhinney will do the same.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Just because we dont hear about a trade by 3, does that mean it didnt happen? Cant the Flyers make a trade and not announce it till around 3:30/4?
"NO HONOR"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Sort of.
They have to submit it to the NHL by 3:00. It doesn’t have to be announced right then.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah, they always come in late.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 3, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way the Flyers did nothing.
It may be something minor and meaningless, but I can’t believe Holmgren would do literally nothing.
We still don’t know for sure where Stempniak went…
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Baicker with one last desperate, whiny “look at me! look at me!” message like its 1:45am on a Saturday night in Old City.
good sir that is one harsh and biting criticism
you get a point
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 3, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Corvo to the caps for Pothier and Oskar Osala.
Oh, This is bound to be good
You can't, but you thought that You could
I know a certain trio of Flyers who would love i guy with his name..
"NO HONOR"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Anyone is an upgrade over anyone on the Caps current D.
Oh, This is bound to be good
You can't, but you thought that You could
Oh wow, Washington got raped.
Canes also get a second rounder from from Washington for Corvo
Thats Corvo, a bad player, for a 2nd round pick, Pothier, and Oskar Osala
Well if Homer still has his job after the season I hope he learned a valuable lesson, such as, don’t trade your draft picks for the next decade to get one guy.
I know Ned Lukacevic was involved…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
and a conditional 4th round pick.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
biggest trade definitely, but a little puzzling
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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 3, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I am beginning to agree with some of the beat writers. At the rate that some players went today, maybe the Flyers staying complacent was for the best. Today could have been much worse for us (case and point: giving up a 2nd rounder if we had one, a prospect, and Pothier for freakin Joe Corvo).
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Then they should have been sellers.
Sticking with a one and done team was the worst thing they could do.
Sell what though? Doesn’t the lack of notable moves indicate that it was a lukewarm sellers market at best?
yeah I do and you don’t get it that if you were in the locker room on a team that was in playoff position that sold at the deadline your fucking head would explode and you would have a mutiny on your hands
good luck explaining to Pronger who signed here that we just dumped our leading scoring for draft picks good luck explaining to Lappy that you blocked a shot with your teeth to get us two points that we don’t care about since we are throwing this season away that would real well
Last time I checked, one of the perks of being the boss is not having to explain yourself to your employees. Unless it’s maybe McDonalds where anything goes.
ever hear of the world Morale it matters a bit in business and in sports if you expect to get the most of your employees
Because you get contract money depending on your performance?
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
You have to at least show you are worth the money you’re getting. Most times anyway…
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Nope, this isn’t the NFL, can’t just cut and run. They can waive you if they want, but I’m pretty sure you’ll still be getting paid.
I have no idea where your comment came from. If you do not show your are worth the money, you don’t get a contract for that kind of money. In general anyway. (Ignore Lupul and the man behind the curtain!)
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
If your already on the team, you already have a contract. I believe the conversation started over the current Flyers in the locker room.
Yeah… you asked why should they play like they cared. I responded… For a bigger paycheck. These guys are young enough that another contract will come soon. At the least, you play for more zeros on your contract.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Sure, but if that next contract isn’t coming for 2 or 3 years (more for some) it won’t matter what’s happens over the last 20 games of a season your management has already given up on.
Then you’ll get branded a slacker and that next payday will not come. Or you get shuffled from place to place, year after year. There is a reason why some guys who aren’t the best players are considered great pick ups. Lappy for example.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
And seeing as the Flyers have 7 guys in contract years with 4 RFA, who I’m pretty sure are pretty much guaranteed a certain pay raise. So basically you only have 3 players playing for contracts next year. Gonna need more then 3 players caring, plus if that’s the only reason they care it most likely won’t matter anyway.
but getting bitch slapped in the playoffs two years in a row by your hated rival is ok as long as there isn’t a mutiny? These are professional athletes. Their job is to play with whoever is put around them. Just like those of us with jobs have to work with people that are put around us. May not always like it but thats the way it works.
Close, but they did not win. So, the team, for whatever reason, needs to be adjusted to be able to play at a level to beat them. The players understand this and the realities of the salary cap era.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
I read all 700 comments hoping that by the end the Flyers would have done something and all I learnt was that 95% of Twitterers add nothing to the world
"NZFlyerfan"
At least you probably got stuff done and did not waste the better part of 6 or 7 hours following this for nothing.
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From Mirtle on Twitter
The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired a 2010 sixth-round draft pick from the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for defenseman Chris Peluso
I guess that’s two.
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“I still believe that once you get into the playoffs,” Holmgren said, “anything can happen.” That kind of thinking is why we have not won a Stanley Cup in 35 years. Thanks for all the fun fellas. Chat a little tonight.
He’s right. Anything could happen.
Of course, his job is improve the Flyers’ chances from “realm of possible outcomes” to “most likely outcome”.
I agree 100%. Once you are in the playoffs, anything can happen. Anyone or any team can get hot at the just right time and walk away with Lord Stanley’s Cup.
That being said, it is Holmgren’s job to improve the Flyers chances and that is something he has constantly failed miserably at.
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Does Anyone Know ...?
if the flyers will keep the current road white jerseys next year or switch an use the winter classics? i want to buy a jersey today and i obviously dont want to get one that is no longer going to be used, THANKS!
The jersey they wore at this years winter classic will be next year’s full time road jersey.
Minus the WC patch.
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