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Flyers stand pat at deadline; likely held back by lack of assets

The Flyers did absolutely nothing at the 2010 NHL trade deadline, despite being extremely active on the phones over the last few days. Why weren't they able to pull the trigger on a deal? It all comes back to the same problems that we've seen for the entire season. They have almost no draft picks, no major prospects in the professional ranks, and no cap room.

These results are not surprising.

Paul Holmgren still tried, though. He tried to get Dan Hamhuis. He tried to get Tomas Vokoun. He tried to get Dwayne Roloson, Raffi Torres and Joe Corvo. In the end, he was either outbid by another team or just didn't have enough to give up.

Let's break it down player by player, after the jump.

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We'll start off with Hamhuis, because he's the guy that most rumors were around. The Predators wound up holding onto the defenseman, saying that they felt they needed him for the stretch run. Translation? David Poile didn't get a good enough offer, and part of that is because the Flyers didn't have much of anything to give up.

The rumors were that Ryan Parent and maybe Braydon Coburn were offered to the Predators, but as we've heard out of Nashville, they don't really need a defenseman. They wanted a second line forward, and looking at the Flyers roster, all of their second line forwards have no-trade clauses.

With Tomas Vokoun, it came out that Panthers general manager Randy Sexton wasn't shopping the goaltender but that they were listening to offers that came in. The Flyers reportedly made one of those offers, but Sexton apparently asked for Jeff Carter. Holmgren stuck to his guns on Carter by not trading him away, but subsequent offers of Scott Hartnell or Simon Gagne were tough because each player has a no-trade clause.

Vokoun would have waived his NTC to come to Philadelphia, but it's hard to believe Hartnell or Gagne would do the same to go to Florida. Again, no-trade clauses bit the Flyers in the rear. Vokoun wasn't moved before the deadline.

The other goalie on the market, Dwayne Roloson, stayed with his team as well. Reports say that Isles general manager Garth Snow wasn't offered enough either, and that he wasn't willing to give up Roloson for nothing. The Flyers, again, had nothing to give up due to a lack of draft picks or a bunch of no-trade clauses.

Raffi Torres, who the Flyers were rumored to be in the running for, wound up going to the Sabres for a second round pick and Nathan Paetsch. If the Flyers had a second round pick, they could've been in the running, but in this case that may have been a hefty price to pay. That's debatable, though.

At the end near the deadline, they were also rumored to be in on defenseman Joe Corvo, who went to the Capitals for Brian Pothier, Oskar Osala and a second round pick. Again, a second round pick. The Flyers lack of draft picks absolutely killed any negotiations today.

We knew this coming into the day, but some of us hoped that Holmgren would get creative with us. At the end of the day, the goalies are the same, the forwards are the same and the defense is the same. Nothing happened. Pittsburgh, New Jersey and Washington all got better at the deadline or in the days leading up to the deadline. Is it okay that the Flyers stood their ground?

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They have almost no draft picks, no major prospects in the professional ranks, and no cap room.

Which both handicaps their chance of success this year and bodes ominously for the future.

by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

a little dissapointed but overall its not a big deal. The only guy I really coveted was Hamhuis and we didnt have the ammo for him. Trading for a goalie would have been the sexy option, but it would also just create controversy. Imagine if we traded Gags or Hartnell for Vokoun and then Vokoun struggled while Leighton continued to played well. It would have been a disaster.

Were 18-6-1 over the last 25 games. You ask any of the “top” teams in the east who the last team they want to play in the first round is and I gurantee they say us. This team is good. Im not going to say theyre on the same level as Pittsburgh or Washington, but I think we have just as good of a shot at making noise in the playoffs as anyone else. Homer did the right thing today.

by njh3293 on Mar 3, 2010 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

I really hope they wind up proving you wrong. We can play with every team in this league. We have a losing record to only two teams in the conf (worse than 1-2) and that is the Pens and the Caps. And in a 7 game series anything can happen. If were hot we can put together a run. If not, we cant. Simple as that.

by orangeandblack20 on Mar 3, 2010 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with what everyone has said….just time to start digging deep in the trenches and really show that we can beat teams like Pitt and Washington already.

Michael Leighton I raise my glass high to you brotha, stay frosty.

Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.

by PhillyPhan85 on Mar 3, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Vokoun

Right now Vokoun has proved even less in the playoffs than Leighton being that he’s lost playoff series and Leighton hasnt even been there. Vokoun is playing just as well as Leighton is now. Trading for a goalie was no sure thing. There was no need to get a forward because this team can score, its just a matter of everyone getting in their grove. If Gagne can right his ship than this team can roll three scoring lines and a good grind line. They have enough to compete come playoff time. Most likely not enough for a cup, but they can still win a round or two.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Granted, Vokoun was really good in that series against Detroit I think.

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Mar 4, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Most likely not enough for a cup, but they can still win a round or two.

Big fucking deal.

by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

Ok what move was out there that would have had them win a cup? What else should Holmgren have done, become a seller?

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t mind him Leighton apparently run over his dog when he was younger.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok what move was out there that would have had them win a cup?

Carter for Vokoun. A draft pick for Belanger. The Flyers are as good as any team in the conference.


What else should Holmgren have done, become a seller?

He should’ve been selling for the last two months.

by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You dont just change coachs and then become a seller when your team was supposed to be a contender. You give them a chance to turn it around and they have turned it around. Holmgren wasnt going to be a seller today, after his team is on a 5 game winning streak he’s not going to be a seller. Carter for Vokoun what does that do? Trade your best scorer for a goalie who has won nothing. Leighton is playing as well as Vokoun. Belanger went for a second round pick and he’s never scored more than 40 pts in his career the Flyers don’t need him. Betts and Laperiere are as good as Belanger.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You dont just change coachs and then become a seller when your team was supposed to be a contender.

Really? The 2006-07 season called to say you’re wrong.

Leighton is playing as well as Vokoun.

Even if you want to look at the ridiculously small sample size of Leighton as a Flyer, Vokoun has an ESS% of .943 this year, Leighton is .926%. Thats a marked improvement.

Then you can consider the fact that Leighton is just a bad player, and Vokoun is a proven good goaltender.

by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You didnt read my next sentence. It said “YOu give them a chance to turn it around” In 06-07 they got a chance to turn it around and couldnt so the Flyers sold. This year they turned it around, thus they were not sellers.

Your stats on Leighton show that basically for every 100 Even strength shots 1 more goal gets scored on Leighton. Dear god were done. ha. Can you prove to me anytime when Vokoun won an NHL playoff series? Thats right never. So You want to trade the teams best scorer for a goalie who is unproven in the playoffs? I say no way.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Belanger went for a second round pick and he’s never scored more than 40 pts in his career the Flyers don’t need him

Because everyone knows that Points are the best measure of a hockey player.


Betts and Laperiere are as good as Belanger.

I don’t think we have the technology to clone players yet.

by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

My point if the Flyers already have two players who can provide what Belanger can. Also even if the flyers wanted Belanger then they would have been outbid by the Caps who gave up a second rounder for him. which if you remember is something the Flyers dont possess in the immediate future.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

by the way how do a higlighted quote from someone else’s post?

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

See the quotation marks above the text box (in between the strikethrough and link)? Either highlight what you want in the boxquote and then click the quotation marks, or click the quotation marks and paste the copied comment in between the > and <

Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 3, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks so much. Its going to be a lot easier to reply to multiple statements now

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

:)
thanks so much. Its going to be a lot easier to reply to multiple statements now

by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOOOO

If your gonna trade Carter it better be for something better then Vokoun.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how to improve on the best goaltender in the conference…

by MarioD on Mar 3, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

When did you mention Ryan Miller?

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ve got Olympic Fever. Considering Vokoun has a .931 save%, which is better than Miller…… Considering Vokoun has more shutouts than Miller. …. Considering Vokoun has only allowed 8 more goals than Miller, and faced 130 more shots…

Vokoun is at least AS good as Miller, and more than likely better when paired with a defense that can do something in front of him.

by Dinky on Mar 3, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I have the feeling that not trading Carter was correct. Vokoun will be done in a few seasons, and he’s UFA after next season. Carter is still young and could put up 300 more goals in Philly. Next two seasons will be good, but after that (and as you point out, the prospect pool is thin) it’ll be tough going for Philly.

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Mar 4, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Today I feel like I had a hot date to take to the prom but the Limmo driver never came

by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, but you can at least make out in the parking lot. It could still be fun.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko

by doubleh on Mar 3, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If a hot date for you is Dan Hamhuis then you need to reconsider you’re judgment.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It feels like crap that we did nothing now, but perspective shows that Proms are lame and its better we didnt go

To be honest our team hasnt played to their potential all year
We are playing better and better so I do not see the season as a lost

by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel you. Im a little disappointed that the Flyers made no deals, but when I think about there really isnt a deal Im sorry they didnt do. Id rather keep this team intact then make a marginal deal that oculd mess with their chemistry.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I do believe Vokoun is the Best goalie out there that is remotely available
During the summer he still will be the best option.
Unfortunately a lot more teams will be wanting him so his stock will only go up

We didnt get him, but thank god we did dot get any other goalies

I like what we have now that we are stuck with what we have.
Our lockeroom is in better shape now than we were a year ago
So lets enjoy the ride

by Prometheus74 on Mar 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Vokoun but if the asking price is Carter then no thanks. Vokoun is good but he hasnt proven himself in the playoffs and he will be 34 in July. Nabakov will be a free agent and He’s only a year older than Vokoun, but he also hasnt done much in the playoffs. My feelings are that unless the Flyers get a young goalie they wont find their way out of a goalie problem next season.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The Flyers don’t sell at the deadline. They buy. And now their hands are tied because of cap mismanagement and frivolous NTCs/NMCs. We’re just going to have to ride it out and hope for the best.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko

by doubleh on Mar 3, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

Correction they dont sell when they are in the playoff picture.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I love it

Too many times in the past I’ve seen teams blow chemistry in hopes of getting that missing piece. The Flyers are fine right where their at.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

Agree. Most of the moves made today were for the 3rd / 4th line type – something we already have in abundance. I am glad they didn’t do anything. This team has been through some adversity this season. With their improved play – and this stretch run a great time to get hot – let’s see if the adversity actually built some character into these guys.

by SanDiegoScraps on Mar 3, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

“Flyers stand pat at deadline; likely held back by lack of assets”
Sorry Travis you forgot to add to that headline, “Flyers stand pat at deadline; likely held back by lack of assets, moxie and creativity”

by MJDII on Mar 3, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I think in this position it takes more moxie to stand pat as opposed to making the traditional Flyers move of trading for a big name vet.

by tmurder on Mar 3, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you on the typical Flyers. The typical Flyers have had rudderless navigation for the last 25 years. Really the problem with this organization is that they have the former penalty minutes record holder acting as a GM. This is the first problem the second is that looking for an aging vet is not what this team needs. This organization needs to step out of the past and build a team from the net out. So the basis of my comments is that the leadership of this organization has no valuable commodities due to poor planning. And this leadership doesn’t have the faculties to change the typical course. But mark my words and I would love to be wrong for the sake of winning, but this typical Flyers organization will not win a Stanley Cup. That is the only typical we should be wary of.

by MJDII on Mar 3, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

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