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Friday Morning Fly By: Sabres Gameday

Today's open discussion thread, including your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news...

  • Yes it's late.  Sorry.
  • Last night's NHL scores... CAR 4- OTT 1; BOS 3 - TOR 2 (SO); ATL 6 - NYI 3; WAS 5 - TB 4; PIT 5 - NYR 4 (OT); NAS 4 - LA 2; STL 6 - DAL 1; PHX 3 - COL 1; SJ 3 - MTL 2
  • Previews of tonight's game:  [Inquirer] [CSNPhilly] [NHL.com] And check out SBN's Die by the Blade
  • More deadline fallout:  Snider sounds a little defensive and a bit tense in this article. [CSNPhilly]
  • Tim McManus has a great story on Jeremy Duchesne, Johan Backlund's once and future backup. [PostStar]
  • Gabe Desjardins did a story on what we were just talking about - even strength save-percentage:  "Basically, Even-Strength save percentage, which is measured over a large number of shots, is a significant predictor of future performance, though it must be heavily-regressed to the mean save percentage. SH save percentage, on the other hand, is essentially random." [Behind The Net]
  • The title says "Fighting is hockey's problem", (which it isn't) but the story suggests otherwise.  I'm perplexed. [Inquirer]
  • Do you have a Nike-Bauer Jr. Supreme One50 stick?  Well, get checked for lead poisoning. [SB Nation]
  • Wonder how important goaltending is?  Pension Plan Puppets show just how much their goaltending has cost their team. [Pension Plan Puppets]
  • Do you remember this day in Philly history?  Think Ottawa Senators and Patrick Sharp. [The700Level]

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Bob Ford’s article makes my blood boil.

If I have time this weekend I’m going to write a FanPost/response.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

As you read in my article about Wednesday night, one guy (a casual fan if anything) said, “he didn’t watch hockey much, but he sure was enjoying this game”. Why? Because there were 3 f’ing fights in the first 5 or so minutes.

I’d really like all the “fighting in hockey should be eliminated” crap to just go away. I bet if some giant media research company did a poll and said “would you watch hockey if fighting was eliminated” the results would point to the fact that there are a dozen other more ridiculous things that the NHL does that don’t draw in the casual fan, rather than eliminating fighting.

Personally, the list starts and ends with one thing.

TV EXPOSURE!

hell, i’m a huge hockey fan and thanks to the NHL’s TV deal, I can’t even watch 50 or so games (or whatever the number is) from the comfort of my own home. How about the NHL or media talking heads focus on getting the sport on a channel that most of the US gets and then talk about what brings and doesn’t bring fans. It’s [expletive] ridiculous.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he doesn’t know much about hockey so of course he is the “casual fan”. That’s fine.

But his point – whether he meant it or not – doesn’t seem to be “fighting is holding the NHL back”, but rather “the NHL doesn’t enforce it’s own rules.” That’s a legitimate claim.

And while he didn’t elaborate, this sentence caught me:

If the NHL bosses actually delude themselves on the topic, it leads to a spate of new teams in places they should never be…

Like the Deadspin article in a previous Fly By, the Olympics aren’t an argument for the elimination of fighting, they’re an argument for contraction.

Either way, I didn’t really understand what Ford’s point was.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree. I just don’t focus on any Olympic “bounce” talk because if you logically think about it for 3 seconds, Olympic hockey (other than being hockey) isn’t really comparable to the professional league sport.

And I also agree that the league doesn’t enforce it’s own rules, but even that to me takes a back seat to the fact that it’s the most under-marketed league out there between it’s TV contract and other marketing.

I’d love to see a series of articles, week after week, dwelling on that point vs. anything that calls out fighting (even if it’s not really their main point)

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by HockeyOutsiders on Mar 5, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But his point – whether he meant it or not – doesn’t seem to be "fighting is holding the NHL back", but rather "the NHL doesn’t enforce it’s own rules." That’s a legitimate claim.

That part I have no problem with. But what Ford (and other non-fans) fail to realize is that fighting is necessary. Why doesn’t anyone talk about the Olympic cheap shots doled out by Tollefsen, Pitkanen, and Boyle (slew-footing Semin)? Because if you take fighting out of the game entirely, you have more of that crap going on.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Mar 5, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s an excellent point. Devil’s advocate though: You can take both fighting and those cheap shots out of the game by simply adding/enforcing rules. Tollefsen? Suspend him 10-15 games. Pitkanen? Suspend him a minimum of 5 (I don’t remember the hit, so I don’t want to compare to Tollefsen without knowing). Slew-foots? 5-10 games.

Just put strict rules in place – and enforce them – to take that crap out, so you don’t need fighting to police.

Again, I’m not advocating for the elimination of fighting, but you can eliminate it and deal with those repercussions.

Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

“If the NHL bosses actually delude themselves on the topic, it leads to a spate of new teams in places they should never be….”

I think what he’s saying here is that if the NHL actually believes it’s going to bring in a new audience from the Olympics, it will lead to more franchises. Like the way Bettman tried to bring new fans in with all the new teams before. He makes this statement before fighting is mentioned.

And I think you’re right about the his view of the non-enforcement of the rules. Bob Ford, in my view, seems to think that’s the real problem, not even so much the actual fighting. However, later in the article he mentions the fights at the beginning of the Florida game. Unfortunately, he shows his lack of understanding of the game there, by not realizing the carryover effects from the previous games between these clubs.

And how the hell do you use the blockquote correctly? I can’t figure that out…

by Vansteel on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, you either highlight what you want in block quotes, then click the quotation marks above the text box, or you click the quotation marks, then paste what you want in the block in between the > and <. It helps if the block is on it’s own line (enter down), as opposed to just a space or two away.

Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at that game

I remember sitting and standing about 10 times. I was a fan before that game but I was a fan-for-life by the end of it.

This is my first post, but I have been reading this blog daily for some time.

Keep up the Great Work!

by jtl28 on Mar 5, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome! That game was probably the moment Patrick Sharp became one of my favorite Flyers.

Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Its so much easier to move forward focusing on a goal ahead of us, rather than having to worry about what is behind us

This is huge game for the Flyers
Obtaining a home ice advantage for the playoffs must be an objective they want to accomplish this season.
This game is one of those 4pt swing games.
A win will put us within reach of that objective
A win will place the pressure on Buffalo and Ottawa for the next week
(they will both be at risk of losing home ice advantage)
If we lose we will have to focus on who is coming up right behind us in the standings

by Prometheus74 on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Well, according to Pythagoras, we should expect to have the 8th best record in the league. Moneyball fail.

by Snevik on Mar 5, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  


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