Game 64, Preview and Game Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs at Philadelphia Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Mar 7, 2010 4:42 PM EST
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PrintToronto Maple Leafs at Philadelphia Flyers, Mar 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST
#15 Toronto Maple Leafs (20-32-12, 52 pts) at #6 Philadelphia Flyers (33-26-4, 70 pts)
Wachovia Center - 7:00 PM ET - Philadelphia, PA
TV: CSN Philly HD, Sportsnet Ontario HD
Radio: 610 WIP, XM 205
This is the open game thread.
Get Toronto reaction at Pension Plan Puppets
Another game, another goon called up. We really should start keeping track of these things.
The Maple Leafs come to town tonight with tough guy Jay Rosehill in the lineup. After making the team out of camp, Rosehill played a few games with the Leafs before being sent down to their AHL affiliate at the end of the month. Since then, he's played in one NHL game. January 14 versus the Flyers.
He might be worthless as a hockey player (especially when you consider that his only impact in that game was a last minute cheapshot on Mike Richards while up 4-0), but you've gotta admit one thing: the guy has class. Check out this story from 2007.
Rosehill, 22, was released on bond from the Broome County Jail on a felony charge of third-degree grand larceny, the Press & Sun-Bulletin newspaper of Bunghamton reported. His release came shortly before the Admirals played the Senators.
The Broome County Sheriff's Office said a vehicle had been reported stolen from the parking lot of Madame Oar's, a Binghamton strip club.
A club employee said she had started the car and left it to warm up when it was taken.
Shortly after the report was made, about 1:25 a.m., a deputy spotted the car pulling into the parking lot of the Xhibition Gentlemen's Club.
Steals a car from a strip club to get to another strip club. Excellent.
More on the actual game after the jump.
Right, so... hockey. It's not that the Flyers are in desperate need of a win right now, having gone 1-1-1 since the Olympic break. But getting back in the win column against the worst team in the conference is certainly the preferred outcome. The Leafs are just not a worthy opponent on any side of the puck.
They've experienced a ton of turnover so far this season (half their team resides in Calgary now), they have maybe three decent forwards left and they're not great on defense either. They're atrocious on the power play and on the PK, too. Jean-Sebastien Giguere isn't too shabby in goal, but I mean... really.
Still, this team beat the Flyers last time they met. Blind squirrel, nut and all that.
No sleep walking equals a win. Sleep walking might equal a win, but let's not try that experiment, okay boys?
Flyers Line Combinations
Gagne - Richards - Carcillo
Briere- Carter - Hartnell
van Riemsdyk - Giroux - Asham
Powe - Betts - Laperriere
Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Krajicek
Parent/Bartulis - Coburn
Bartulis has been cleared to play, not sure if he will. Other lines likely to stay the same.
Toronto Line Combinations
Kulemin - Bozak - Kessel
Stalberg - Mitchell - Caputi
Lundmark - Wallin - Sjostrom
Hanson - Primeau - Orr
Beauchemin - Phaneuf
Kaberle - Schenn
Finger - Gunnarsson
Caputi goes from the AHL in the PIT organization to the second line in Toronto. Hil-arious.
Starting Goaltenders
Questions To Answer
- Does Rosehill's insertion into the lineup mean anything? We all know this will likely be a big, fat no.
- Can Giguere keep the Leafs in the game?
- Will Mike Richards keep up his torrid post-Olympic pace (six points in 3 games so far)?
Can Leino, Carter and Briere show the same chemistry they did against Buffalo?Which Michael Leighton shows up - Pre-break Leights or Post-break Leights?
Tonight's game is on CSN Philly (thank God). Listen on 610 WIP, and as always, join us here for the conversation. LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Is Leino one of the few natural right wingers the Flyers have, yet is playing on the left wing?
I’d like to think that the team remembers the 4-0 curb stomping they got last time from the Leafs. Thank goodness that Toskala isn’t playing
"NZFlyerfan"
I always thought he was a natural LW.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs beat Ottawa last night, with Gustavon in net. They’ll play Giguerre, the better goalie, tonight.
They’re not really a pushover.
Leino out, Powe in. Stupid if you ask me.
Bartulis also sitting out.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 7, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well, if Powe in the lineup means the Flyers win then I am all for it. However, I think Leino showed us he should have a spot as well. I was looking forward to see if the chemistry of Leino-Carter-Briere continued, but now who do you sit to put in Leino?
Hartnell: 12g, 36pts, (.58ppg), 5.0gvt
Powe:_ 8g, 13pts (.29ppg), 1.4gvt
Definitely need to bench the guy who’s twice as productive.
Hah i knew this was coming. I think Hartnell playing well is important for this team and I don’t him traded. But I think a benching might do him good regarding his lazy penalties and more than occasional bone-headed plays.
Perhaps the same effect could be achieved by putting him on a line with Betts and Lappy and telling him not to worry about scoring, only about being defensively responsible. .58ppg can’t be too far off his career average so its not scoring I’m concerned with.
"NZFlyerfan"
Productivity is all relative. 8 of Hartnell’s points are on the power play and he gets a little more than three minutes of ice time more than Powe per game. Not to mention his 122 PIM (which are almost entirely minors) compared to Powe’s 44. He has also played the majority of the time with Carter and Briere. He is still more productive but twice as productive is a stretch.
Goals per 60 minutes of 5-on-5 ice time: Powe (0.99), Hartnell (0.32)
Primary Assists per…: Powe (0.50), Hartnell (0.95)
Secondary Assists per…: Powe (0.12), Hartnell (0.55)
Points per…: Powe (1.61), Hartnell (1.82)
Relatively the same qualcomp score (Hartnell 0.030, Powe 0.022) with a big difference in qualteam (Hartnell 0.083, Powe 0.002), and a big difference in offensive zone start (Hartnell 51.3, Powe 45.2)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should read those numbers again, since they still bear out Hartnell as the more productive player.
don’t forget that powe’s 5-on-5 minutes are with betts and laperriere and hartnell’s are with briere and carter, which is probably a big reason that hartnell’s ahead in the assists/60-minute category. it’s pretty telling that powe’s 5-on-5 goals/60-minute number is 3 times that of hartnell’s
so did hartnell have a chance to play on the fourth line?
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No, because he’s never played so poorly that he was demoted to the fourth line.
Powe had his chance with talented linemates, and doesn’t have the skill to be anything more than a fourth line player.
Sometimes, what we usually treat as a cause (qualteam) is actually the effect.
fourth liners need to know a different style of hockey then the first line.
hartnell was/is playing at a very low level on both ends. he prob would be worse on a line in a strictly checking role
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I’m not choosing to take a side with either Powe or Hartnell here, but didn’t Hartnell have that same chance and fail too? I’m just not sure that’s the best example.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hartnell’s got a career of production, and is still producing more than a half point a game. I don’t think that’s a failure.
My point was that neither one worked out on that line, so using that example doesn’t support your argument. I didn’t say that it made Hartnell’s entire career was a failure, I said it wasn’t a good example.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t say first line, you said Gagne and Richards. He’s not still playing with Gagne and Richards.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, I was only trying to say it was a bad example to support your argument… But I’ll repost just our replies to each other, without everyone else’s comments in the middle, to make it easier to follow:
You: Powe had a chance to play with Gagne and Richards, and failed.
Me: I’m not choosing to take a side with either Powe or Hartnell here, but didn’t Hartnell have that same chance and fail too? I’m just not sure that’s the best example.
You: Hartnell’s got a career of production, and is still producing more than a half point a game. I don’t think that’s a failure.
Me: My point was that neither one worked out on that line, so using that example doesn’t support your argument. I didn’t say that it made Hartnell’s entire career was a failure, I said it wasn’t a good example.
You: But Hartnell is still on the first line… I don’t understand what you’re saying.
Me: You didn’t say first line, you said Gagne and Richards. He’s [Hartnell] not still playing with Gagne and Richards.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand what you think Hartnell failed at. He’s on the first line. He’s producing over .5ppg. What is the failure?
He didn’t work out with Gagne and Richards. Right after Powe played on that line and didn’t work out, they tried Hartnell there, and he didn’t work out either. Neither one had the right chemistry with Gagne and Richards. That’s it, that’s all I said. I’m not supporting or nullifying your argument about Powe and Hartnell, I’m only pointing out that neither one has been successful on that line and so it isn’t an effective example.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
In between Powe and Carcillo, Hartnell played RW with them. I can’t remember what his first game with them was, but I know he played there for Edmonton, Minnesota, and the first game of the home and home against NJ. By the second game against NJ he was back w/ Carter & Briere. That’s all I was referring to.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
That story was that Briere and Hartnell went to Lavi and said they wanted to switch with each other I thought.
Maybe so. I honestly don’t know. I just know they(Jackson, Jonesy, etc) kept mentioning Hartnell on the RW rather than his more comfortable left.
It was both. They talked about it when Hartnell went up with Gags and Richie; they talked about it when Briere and Hartnell switched wings.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think in this case, you’re both right. If I remember correctly, they switched Hartnell to the right to play with Richards and Gagne. Then they put him back with Carter and Briere, but kept Hartnell on the right. Then the morning of the second Montreal game, Briere and Hartnell asked to switch, putting Briere on the right and Hartnell back on the left. I’m about 80% sure that’s the way it went down, somebody else may remember more clearly.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, and there’s no debating Hartnell is better than Powe. But the simple fact that people are comparing the two speaks more to how poorly Hartnell has been playing than it does to how good Powe is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say it speaks to their making stupid comparisons, since the players really aren’t in any way comparable.
then why are you comparing them?
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so by comparing their stats you are showing they aren’t comparable…
(head ’splodes)
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No. I just responded to who would you sit to put in Leino. My point wasn’t about points (unironically). I would sit Hartnell because I think everyone can see that his game is a bit off from last year. He’s definitely not playing as well and is taking penalties to boot.
Hartnell>Powe no question.
"NZFlyerfan"
And speaking purely of Richards/Gagne, 9.9% of Powe’s EV TOI was with those two, compared to 5.12% of Hartnell’s. That equals about 48 minutes for Powe, and 35 minutes for Hartnell.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
So thats about one penalty every two games for Hartnell (playing about 20mins/game) and one penalty every three games for Powe (15mins/game). The numbers aren’t perfect but it should give you an idea.
"NZFlyerfan"
He left out penalties drawn per 60:
Hartnell 1.4, Powe 2.1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Curious if there are match-ups issues … if two players have produced stats that are within limits for a reasonable comparsion would you go with player X because he might have an attribute that matchs-up well with the opposing team. or you go with Player X in a stituation where the opposing team has someone who neutralizes Player y like when Randy Johnson was pitching against us Chase Utley was watching the game from the dugout.
I know there are line match -ups but to what extent does that mindset deicide who plays and who sits before the game starts?
Apparently a lot for other teams (calling up a ton of goons), but it doesn’t seem to affect the Flyers much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
well, you can’t sit Powe because he got injured. he deserves the chance to earn his spot back.
"NO HONOR"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
so do we get a new question #4?
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Yes. Forgot Travis was at the game…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
personally, i think that is a much better question
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haha, I didn’t put too much thought into it. Then again, sometimes the most obvious question is the best.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Going to the game
Its official, I’ve seen every home game against a Canadian team. Im tired of the damn Canadian anthem already.
"NO HONOR"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
I’ve got em all except Vancouver. I’m at the game tonight too.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 7, 2010 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if anybody is watching the pre-game show, but did Clement watch the Buffalo game with blinders on? I mean, I’m not completely condemning Leighton’s play on Friday because he did do some good things, but isn’t “awesome” going way too far?
If that version of Leighton shows up again tonight, I’m going to be very mad if we don’t see Boosh get a chance against the Islanders on Tuesday. I’m not going to be quiet about it, either…
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was hoping Boosh played tonight. You start Leighton against Buffalo for confidence reasons, but get Boosh in against a terrible team. That’s the best way to do it. If he doesn’t start against the Islanders, I’ll be right there with you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
still can’t get used to JJ without the ’stache
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I’m the same way. He really does not look like the same guy sans facial hair.
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He has really matured this year. Great to see him deliberately draw that penalty and not retaliate.
by Mitchell Green on Mar 7, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
What is Colton Orr thinking? Angering Carbomb is never a good idea.
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absolutely, would be nice to see Lavio reward him with some TOI on the PP.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Kimmo did hit the post. Thats pretty darn close!
by Mitchell Green on Mar 7, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
briere got one off that feed from Kimmo
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
colton orr is a DEAD MAN
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did he think he could get away with that?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Can Carter hit the net?
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST reply actions
jesus carter at least try to put it on net
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how about in? Great play Prongs!
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
keep talking, maybe we’ll get another!
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he can hit the net.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions
And my liver takes another hit thanks to Hartnell. On a PP no less.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions
yeah, that play should be left for Kimmo and Richards
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of discussion about that. Haven’t gotten a chance to see it yet.
by Mitchell Green on Mar 7, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1vJrIAg-0&feature=player_embedded
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look a lot like Richie’s hit on Booth. Unfortunate? Yes. Dirty? Debatable.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
richie used shoulder
it looked like that was all elbow
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My thoughts exactly. The Cooke hit was dirty, imo, and even though he was not penalized during the game, I would not be surprised to see a suspension.
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let us consult the chart:
http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html
1-5 games
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Absolutely. It’s not even a body check leading with an elbow. He threw an elbow at Savard’s head.
5 game suspension.
I don’t know, I’m watching it on YouTube and it looks like he doesn’t get hit with the elbow, looks to me like shoulder/arm makes a lot of contact.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
From Wysh at Puck Daddy:
Geographically, that’s accurate, as both occurred near the blue line in the offensive zone. But that’s where the comparison ends. Richards isn’t skating by, sticking out his arm. Booth quickly dished the puck rather than having shot it like Savard. They’re two completely different hits, and that’s a good thing: The Richards check, as devastating as it was, was a hockey play by a Selke-worthy forward; The Cooke Hit was a cheap, late hit by a player who excels at them.
I don’t agree with the last sentence, but I do agree with everything up to “and that’s a good thing:”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Giving up breakaways was not the way I wanted them to do that.
by Mitchell Green on Mar 7, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
why would anyone on defense carry the puck in front of a congested net on the PK?
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For all the PP time, I am not too satisfied with being up by only one. They better get their shit together.
Carcillo on why he didn't drop the gloves with Orr
“There’s no point in fighting guys like that. Who play 2 or 3 minutes a game and don’t accomplish much.”
Maybe it’s just me, but I would expect that if someone were planning to hold up a sign asking a player to marry them, they would at least put in the effort of making a real sign….
or pick a better looking player.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
That settles it.
Chico is my favorite player on the flyers. I fucking love that guy. Getting his jersey ASAP.
Also. Dragongirl, will you marry me?
by BroadStreetBully on Mar 7, 2010 7:48 PM EST reply actions
“If she’s gong to squeeze me.” – Steve Coates might want to work on his word choice a bit.
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That implies that Coatsey still had sense two days ago, though. I think it’s been a lot longer since he had any, personally
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Carcillo practicing the basics:
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions
hrmm
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 8:06 PM EST reply actions
you really are just looking for someone to hang aren’t you? Did you partake in the Salem Witch Trials?
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
ah, i interpreted that as where is Leighton’s rebound control, not was there a rebound
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing I hate more than defensemen who allow forwards to get between them and the net.
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was it one of the Spicolis with Hockey Sticks that Pronger and Kimmo have to babysit? I was just walking in from the garage
I do believe it was Spicoli himself: Braydon Coburn. Parent and him seemed to get a little confused, but it was definitely Coburn guarding the post to the left of Leighton when the shot was aimed at the net, which is where the goal scorer was.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
D-Men no glory, always getting stuff taken away from you by the league commish to make the game more scorey , skating backwards…most important guys on the ice to me.
Flyers Defensemen Pairings
If I didn’t have to deal with Carle all the time, I might be alittle more valuable to the team
No. We blew about a million freaking PPs.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I wouldn’t say that. Mediocre, at best… I’m personally frustrated with them, but not quite angry (at least not yet, I reserve the right to change my mind at any point).
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hooters Commercial
always there to cheer you up when you need it!
Awful Passing
we are missing wide open passes
terrible.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Asham doesnt Dive
maybe Briere but Asham??
I thought it was defined as two separate penalties in the rulebook?
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I had asked because I wasn’t sure what I heard, but they are actually separate rules (not that it’s incredibly important at this stage). Diving is under section 9, rule 64, while Unsportsmanlike Conduct is section 9, rule 75.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
They ruled it offsides coming into the zone, so no goal. But Jonesy thinks Carcillo didn’t hear the whistle, and I can’t tell when the whistle happened
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing as how delayed offsides work, the whistle shouldn’t have blown until Carcillo touched the puck. Carcillo didn’t touch the puck until he shot it, so… the whistle should have blown as soon as he shot, thus meaning he didn’t break the “unwritten rule.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure Toronto is looking for any excuse to get after Carcillo.
by Mitchell Green on Mar 7, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
streaky team
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 8:37 PM EST reply actions
Just because we are playing against a Canadian team?
by Mitchell Green on Mar 7, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
would you put it past us? (philly fans?)
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
It was in response to a bunch of Leafs fans waving a Canadian flag and poorly singing Oh Canada.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 7, 2010 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Were any of our 3 american-born players actually on the ice at the time? Only 2 of them even could have been, because we know Boosh is on the bench…..
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was just curious, I know that’s not why they were doing it. I just didn’t see if JVR or Carle were on the ice, and I thought it would be funnier if neither one was.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Carle was on the Ice. He got an assist I believe.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
He was the one who passed the puck to Coburn.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t wait to see what happens when we make this a 3 goal game mid way through the 3rd. I could see it getting getting out of hand.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 8:52 PM EST reply actions
almost had your wish 5 seconds into it.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Missed the slash lol
Pronger didnt touch him
I didn’t see anything either, I only saw Kessel snap Pronger’s stick deliberately afterward
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wow Hartnell
what a surprise he falls down
I thought that was Gagne and Lappy.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno if you missed it but Carcillo also had a goal waved off for an offside call.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Parent and Krajicek.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
You all ruined my joke.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 9:06 PM EST reply actions
Gagne Looks Refreshed
extra jump in his step…glad to see it
apparently extra yapping after the whistle
maybe some shoving
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hartnell Falls again
this guy never stays on his feet
Phaneuf got him there. LOL @ Carbomb
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 9:13 PM EST reply actions
Did Hartnell just scoot his fix back before fighting? And then he lost ?
What a pussy.
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Hartnell fixes his hair before getting into a fight
shit’s still hilarious. it’s not about having the ability to fight, it’s just having the fortitude to do so
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:14 PM EST reply actions
You could hear the crowd
murmur “what a pussy”
i don’t understand what being a pussy as to do with it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, man it takes balls to drop the gloves and square off in the NHL against just about anyone.
fighting isn’t about winning, it’s trading 1 player for one player of more significance
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
What! Do you think for one minute Hartnell was thinking he wanted to take Phaneuff off the ice or was he wanting to establish he wasn’t going be intimidated. Fighting is more about establishing physical momentum.
i’d disagree. Carcillo is so useful because of his ability to create powerplays and take better players off of the ice
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
like the gaborik carcillo fight?
i can pick outliers too!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Is Phaneuf even a fighter
sorry don’t follow him much
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
OK
I thought he wasn’t a fighter but I guess im wrong
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I missed the fight, how’d it start? I take it Hartsy lost terribly?
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Hartnell and Phaneuf just agreed to drop the gloves.
Hartsy fixed his hair before fighting and then he lost pretty terribly.
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hahahaha, i can see that. Thanks!
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
The more I see him play, the more I hate him, but I’d still love to have Luke Schenn on my team.
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by memphisbrando on Mar 7, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
You fix your hair immediately before losing a fight, you are automatically a pussy. End of story.
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he fixed his hair to get the hair out of his eye. u dont want to lose the fight because you couldn’t see
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
palm against face
when someone drops the gloves it’s not necessarily about winning
go do your homework and see the last game of the playoffs for the flyers.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
I watched that game…so I guess you blame Carcillo for that loss…get outta here
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
no dumbass. I’m simply saying that fighting isn’t about winning. Fighting could be about changing the momentum or setting the tone.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Im a dumbass
I could care less about Hartnell winning or losing…he has been the worst Flyer on a consistent basis…He could have destroyed Phaneuf and I would still say he sucks
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
then what’s the point of calling him a pussy again? if he won you still hate him. if he loses you call him a pussy. see what im getting at?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Its a blog
If it hurts your feelings go cuddle with another man or whatever floats your boat…I am entitled to whatever opinion I may have about a player and IMO he sucks…scratch him and play Leino
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
my point is is that your opinion isn’t even supported by logic.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
well you can stick up for Hartnell but where is the Logic…explain to me why he should be in this lineup…Save me what he has done in the past…what has he done this year
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
so by this logic, if richards was having a bad year, you would bench him for leino? Are you listening to yourself?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Im not trying to fight with you
I just don’t see how Hartnell is benefiting this team right now…you may see it differently which is cool but I just haven’t seen it!
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
True but he has 36 points so far…is that really what you expect a top 6 forward?
I personally don’t like Hartnell, that being said, he isn’t a pussy because he lost a fight, nor is he a pussy for having to get his hair out of his face before fighting. Though he should take the hint and cut his hair.
I was just being a little bit truthful but sarcastic, And he is not a top 6 forward. That is one of the problems on this team Carcillo and Hartnell are on the top lines.
Well I can’t argue with you there. He may be labeled a top 6 forward but he is not one. Though last year he certainly was one.
Richie, Carter, Briere, Girioux, JVR, Gagne are top 6 forwards in my opinion…problem is…4 of them are centers.
He really added a depth to that Lupul Carter line. Taking some attention from those guys and cleaning up a lot of trash. Without those guys his role is not the same and the reason he has been less affective.
I’m not calling Hartnell names or getting involved with all that happened above, but if Hartnell can’t keep his hair out of his face without messing with it, he needs to tie it back when he plays (it’s plenty long enough). It shouldn’t even be an issue, but if he isn’t doing anything to control that mane of his it’s his own fault.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Jiggy is a good break-a-way goalie…covered what gags wanted.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
People complained that his production is down but when you figure the newest version of Gags will probably prevent as many goals as he would have scored back before he played two-way, i’ll take it.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Gags has been a really good 2 way player for a long time…
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that as a good thing. Gagne’s my favorite player and has been for a while, so I’m biased no matter what anyway. I stuck by my stance that he would break out of his rut at some point, and even though I was frustrated with him at times, he did get it together. But him getting back that quickly means he’s still got some speed, and his ability to skate has always been a strength of his when he’s healthy.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
they’d play Rocky if we were winning by 5…in the third the big guy dances to it and does the running up stairs and punches the air as well
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I know everyone is down on Hartnell for some mental lapses and undisciplined play but to call him a pussy makes me question some opinions around here. I wonder how many people have strapped it on and legitimately fought on an ice rink around here.
Sorry
just tired of seeing him fall down every shit..it is annoying
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I am not as big of a Flyers fan as many here BUT Hartnell is a shell of a player he use to be, IMO. Whatever you want to call him is not the issue, he just is a liablity on this team.
You and me both. He gets screwed around by this organization too much. Set the Boosh loose!
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Boosh should never play
it scares me just thinking about it
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
So you want Leighton to play every game in a month where the shortest breaks the Flyers have are one day breaks?
No effing way.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
Boosh is not a bad goalie. I don’t know where that came from. He played out of his mind in 2000. He holds the record for consecutive shutout minutes and he’s a solid goaltender. Why all the Boosh hate?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
that would be colassally bad…by the time the play offs roll around his reaction and perception speed will be diminished enough that cartman on a thorazine drip could dribble one past him.
And then we’d desperately need Boosh and he’d have had 30 minutes of game action total over the course of 3 and a half+ months…
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
(adding to above)
Or Backlund, who hasn’t seen NHL action since the preseason, unless you count handling the door at the end of the bench
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Boosh is not a bad goalie. I don’t know where that came from. He played out of his mind in 2000. He holds the record for consecutive shutout minutes and he’s a solid goaltender. Why all the Boosh hate?
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He played out of his mind for much of December, too, but nobody playing in front of him did much to help him out offensively.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY! He was the best player on the team before he went down with that hand injury. Btw. How did he get that injury? saving a goal that was later given up by a lack of d-fense.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree he was awesome
but since that injury he has been horrible in the time he has played…I don’t think Leighton should play every game…just wish we had someone other than Boosh to turn to
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
How much of that poor play is the fact that he hasn’t been played. I see it as a catch 22…you need to play to be good but be good to play
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
But what time has he played? He played 1 game where his hand hadn’t healed yet, and on Tuesday he gave up 2 goals in the first 3 shots after not seeing game action at all for 8 weeks, then got himself together and started to play better. That’s too small of a sample size to evaluate where he is.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
No WD-40 for Bench Players
The rust problem is like what happened to Phillies last year when the starters except for Myers were still in Spring Training that first month which combined with the Lidge SkyDiving Through Oblivon Project, Charlie played every game like a must win to compensate for those lost games. I didn’t necessarily agree with it but I also think Jimmy Williams leaving was a factor because he’d reign in Charlie’s drive to win at all cost that many ex-player managers demonstrrate by overplaying their stars; Jimmy would remind him that the an effective, prepared bench is a necessity and can decide any entire season in a swing..Oh Matty Stairs only most famous Canadian in Philly with all his real teeth and not involved with Flyers hockey…
I guess we don’t get to count former Canadian non-hockey players in Philly, like Rheal Cormier?
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
No Moonshot
Matty hit a moonshot that took us to the coast of the promised land that had after shocks a year later when Jonathan Broxton bed crapping of the 9th inning began when in stepped Matt Stairs. As soon as I saw him try to paint the coners … I said oops somebody’s wealy scared.
there’s a lot of minor leagues on this forum tonight :)
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
minor leaguers*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
One day I will be a major league blogger
rofl…you are sad…but I guess your cool cuz you post here all the time…congrats
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
one day you will grow up to be a big major league blogger also! keep on using aluminum bats there son!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Can we keep it civil, everybody? Most of us talk to each other every day, we don’t need more bad blood
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
LoL
good one…anyways just sharing my opinion..at the end of the day we are both Flyers fans and it is all in good fun…have a good night..a Win is a Win no matter what we think as long as we win!!!…take care
by EaglesFanatic80 on Mar 7, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
have a good one man. Come around more often, most of the time it’s the most interesting thing to do outside of go to the game or go to the bar to watch the game. I’ll see you around
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
You have a point. What’s interesting is it’s a different set of people than normal who are being feisty tonight (which by definition, is not automatically a bad thing, so I’m not trying to be offensive)
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
hahaaha. I’m a newb. First time commenting/live posting. This is good fun.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Carbomb just called Orr a minor-leaguer on Post Game Live!!!
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That interview was priceless.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Mar 7, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been a great interview this year.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you, I got a great laugh out of that.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
He actually believes he is a hockey player right now. Must be mind over matter because he has been effective.
he’s not a hockey player?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Only about 25% of the time and the rest of the time he is a fool. But again, as of late, he has been proving a lot of people wrong who thought he was merely a boob. Which includes me,
even players like Sean Avery once served a purpose. There’s something about controlled stupidity, and how it can be effective in the NHL
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
for school I did this whole speech on fighting in hockey. research was it was very enlightening
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I would like to see Avery on the wrong side of a severe ass kicking, he does still serve a purpose.
I still believe the Rangers lost that series against the Caps last year the instant Tortarella cut his balls off with that stupid benching.
Well that and Torts is a shit coach, please do not tell me he is a cup winning coach, because sadly guys win cups without really being good coaches, but the Caps were also just a better team last year.
well, we won a game we should have won. that’s a start, i guess.
three stars?
1. gagne
2. carcillo
3. leighton
i was surpirsed how above-competant coburn was tonight. in the second, he joined quite a few rushes with speed. i say keep sending him.
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Were those the real ones or your guesses?
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
was that the three stars? center ice usually cuts off the telecast as soon as the game ends, so it’s just who i thought were the best three of the night
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
You were very close, just swap Carbomb and Leights, I just checked the website
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
also, what happenned to gagne on his breakaway? dvr’d it and erased it before i could go back. he had giggy beat, but did the puck roll on him?
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
I didn’t see a good replay… I thought maybe he was waiting for a real sharp angle and then didn’t get the shot off before he tripped over a stick, but that was just my impression. It may have rolled on him or something
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
/Laughs
Sorry, that cracked me up whether that was your intention or not… But I know what you mean, we can disagree and argue and squabble without it getting this tense around here
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else notice how much the Devils have shit the bed since they got their sniper?
Cause I did, and it makes me lol.
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