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Flyers fail to gain playoff ground in embarrassing loss to Islanders

UNIONDALE, NY - APRIL 01:  Blake Comeau #57 of the New York Islanders celebrates his second goal of the first period against the Philadelphia Flyers on April 1, 2010 at Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, New York.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

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5 months ago: UNIONDALE, NY - APRIL 01: Blake Comeau #57 of the New York Islanders celebrates his second goal of the first period against the Philadelphia Flyers on April 1, 2010 at Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, New York. (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

No effort. Sometimes you have to wonder why we even bother.

With Boston and Atlanta losing tonight and Montreal idle, the Philadelphia Flyers had a gigantic chance to put some separation between themselves and the rest of the bubble teams in the Eastern Conference playoff race. Instead, they laid an egg.

They allowed the New York Islanders, who have nothing to play for but... well, nothing, and who hadn't beaten Philadelphia in 15 straight games, to completely walk all over them. It doesn't matter that the other teams in the playoff race lost tonight, because the Flyers were just absolutely horrible. It doesn't matter that the Flyers actually somehow made the score respectable tonight.

Jeremy Duchesne, who was playing in the ECHL a few weeks ago and allowed a goal from center ice in the Phantoms loss a night ago, entered the game in relief of Brian Boucher during the third period. The question all the media types seem to be asking tonight is whether or not Duchesne (whose name, by the way, I cannot spell right on a consistent basis for the life of me) will get the start tomorrow night in what is quite possibly the biggest game of the year.

Is that even a question? Boucher looked terrible tonight, but seriously? Jeremy Duchesne? I'm sure he's a nice guy and everything, but he's an ECHL-caliber goaltender and is in the NHL by sheer luck. Peter Laviolette said post game that he hadn't made a decision yet, but I shudder thinking about Duchesne getting a start against Montreal.

After the jump, questions with answers and the comment of the night.

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Questions with Answers

  1. The Flyers went three whole days without playing and still held their place. Back in action, are they in 6th at the end of the night? Unbelievably, yes. Atlanta lost and Boston lost. Completely unbelievable.
  2. Can John Tavares go a game without scoring against the Flyers? Six goals, none from 91.
  3. Biron has been a sieve against us all year. Does that continue tonight? Biron was pretty damn solid tonight, and he stoned the Flyers on several occasions. Despite the Flyers lack of effort, the game may have gone another way if Biron didn't come up big on several occasions.
  4. 16th straight? Not even close.

Comment of the Night

To quote the MSG announcer, "Does anybody want this playoff spot?"

>> pintium02

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Phillies season opener in 3 days. That is honestly all I have to look forward to right now. This march to the playoffs, or crawl to the playoffs is not entertaining in the least. Maybe its because I don’t expect much of anything if they get to the playoffs, or because like tonight, they are backing into the playoffs. Either way, it’s just not entertaining. I blame the team, the make up of the team. I just don’t identify with these Flyers like I did the Flyers of two years ago. It speaks to that whole identity thing that was discussed a few days ago. Ok rant over.

by EREX21 on Apr 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

“[Holmgren] is safe,” Luukko said. “Paul’s doing a great job. When we’re playing consistently, we’re very good and have as good a shot as anybody”

Since March 19th, the Flyers have 3 points in 7 games.

There were the March 19th standings:
5th Flyers 79 1.13
6th Ottawa 79 1.11
7th Montreal78 1.10
8th Boston 74 1.06
9th Atlanta 71 1.01
10th Rangers 71 1.00

The only thing changing in those standings in the last two weeks is Sens getting better and the Flyers getting worse.


Ottawa 1.16 (.05)
Flyers 1.06 (-.07)
Montreal 1.06 (-.04)
Boston 1.06 (0)
Rangers 1.03 (.03)
Atlanta 1.03 (+.02)

They were up nine points against .500 on the Rangers, and in two weeks have coughed back six of them.

And all of this is due to problems that were glaring all the way back in September and went unaddressed by Paul Holmgren.

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

And all of this is due to problems that were glaring all the way back in September and went unaddressed by Paul Holmgren.

I’m scared to even ask, but what problems form the past 7 games were glaring in September?? Having the team not play for Brian Boucher? Having Brian Boucher as your starter?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 1, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

In no particular order:

Lack of effort
Goaltending
Poor starts to games
No 5th dman

I’m sure there are a couple others.

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He

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by JpH89 on Apr 1, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn reply fail, but i was going to say “Hell, I would say we need a 4th Dman” I like Kri, but He should not be 2nd line.

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by JpH89 on Apr 1, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kimmo and Pronger are #1 dmen.
Coburn and Carle are 3/4 dmen when paired with Pronger and Kimmo.
Krajicek, Bartulis, and Parent are all 6th/7th dmen.

By not having a 4/5, the Flyers are forced to put Coburn on the 3rd pair because a combo with two of those three scrubs isn’t capable of NHL ice time.

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. Here’s my weak defense:

  1. Lack of effort: How do you fix that? The team traded Lupul for Pronger. But that was before September. Since then, who do you get rid of to fix that? I honestly have no idea, seeing as how Hartnell and Coburn as just as guilty for taking shifts/nights off as JVR and Richards
  1. Goaltending: Yeah, should have acquired a goalie at the deadline. I agree. But is there not leniency for the fact that the team has now played it’s 5th goalie tonight? Four goalies, all of whom have started a game for the club, have missed significant time due to injury. Should have been addressed, but seriously, this position is just unlucky this year.
  1. Poor starts to games: Again, how do you fix this?
  1. No 5th dman: I’m assuming you are placing Coburn as 4th dman, which then makes me ask, why say “no 5th dman”? Krajicek is a fine 5th dman, Parent is a fine 6th dman. Coburn is a poor 4th, fine 5th. Bartulis is an eh 6th. If Coburn was playing well, this wouldn’t be a problem. Instead, the team’s sorely lacking a bottom three d pairing. Oh, and before you scream “Randy Jones!”, his 4.1 GVT through 25 games has equaled a whopping 0.2 in his last 17. Fluke? Maybe, either way, he’s not as good as you were saying he was in February, nor is he as bad as his 0,2. He’s somewhere around… Danny Syvret’s 1.2 through 21 games.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 1, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Lack of effort: How do you fix that?

Get new players. Buh-bye Carter. Buh-Bye Carle. Buh-Bye Emery. Buh-Bye Carcillo. Buh-Bye everyone and anyone who can go in exchange for equal or better value. Because this team was never going to succeed, so why waste the season?

2. Goaltending: Yeah, should have acquired a goalie at the deadline. I agree. But is there not leniency for the fact that the team has now played it’s 5th goalie tonight?

Thats what happens when you sign guys who don’t belong in the NHL (Emery and Leighton). Again, I predicted Emery would get hurt if they tried to ride him. The exact same logic applied to Leighton. This isn’t surprising.

3. Poor starts to games: Again, how do you fix this?

See the answer to #1 above.


No 5th dman: I’m assuming you are placing Coburn as 4th dman, which then makes me ask, why say "no 5th dman"? Krajicek is a fine 5th dman, Parent is a fine 6th dman. Coburn is a poor 4th, fine 5th. Bartulis is an eh 6th. If Coburn was playing well, this wouldn’t be a problem.

I already addressed this:


Kimmo and Pronger are #1 dmen.
Coburn and Carle are 3/4 dmen when paired with Pronger and Kimmo.
Krajicek, Bartulis, and Parent are all 6th/7th dmen.
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By not having a 4/5, the Flyers are forced to put Coburn on the 3rd pair because a combo with two of those three scrubs isn’t capable of NHL ice time.

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Emery and Carcillo have a lack of effort? Really? Going to go out on a limb there and say those are not even in the top 10 of players who failed to give a consistent effort.

2. Having a bone disease and rolling an ankle don’t exactly follow from the premise that they “don’t belong in the NHL.” Keep trying to say that avascular necrosis is the result of playing 15 games in a row, let alone proof that he doesn’t belong in the NHL.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 1, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Emery and Carcillo have a lack of effort? Really? Going to go out on a limb there and say those are not even in the top 10 of players who failed to give a consistent effort.

I don’t care. Everyone must go.


2. Having a bone disease and rolling an ankle don’t exactly follow from the premise that they "don’t belong in the NHL." Keep trying to say that avascular necrosis is the result of playing 15 games in a row, let alone proof that he doesn’t belong in the NHL.

Gee, how about the abdominal injury that I was referring to?

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the fact that he has NEVER played a full season should’ve been seen as a symptom.

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care. Everyone must go.

I don’t know if you read the Donnellon article, but Holmgren almost agrees with you:

“There are certain guys on this team that are going to be back here next year,” Holmgren said. “And there are certain guys who aren’t.”

“So if the season ended today, you have a pretty good idea of what you would do?” I asked.

“Most of it, yeah,” he said.

Holmgren later spoke of “evaluations” and of being “at the point now where we have to stop making excuses.”

Clearly he is not happy with a second straight season in which a team that looked so good on paper in October looks so mediocre on the brink of April.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 2, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I screwed up the blockquote… it’s supposed to end at the end of the post. But you get the idea.

In defense of Holmgren, he isn’t the first GM in all of sports to take a “win now” approach, and he won’t be the last. In order to do that, one must take chances and get lucky. Homer took chances and they backfired. The last team I can think of who succeeded in doing that was the 1994 New York Rangers, who were successful. Unfortunately, they haven’t recovered.

You can bet that Homer was told by Ed Snider that the team was “at a point now where we have to stop making excuses.” Mr. Ed read him the riot act; you can bet the house on it. If the Flyers falter again next season, Homer will be done.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 2, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with everything you said except Carcillo is the one guy on this team who has given a consistent effort every single night. I would rather see him stay than about 95% of the roster.

by EREX21 on Apr 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you here. He brings his full game consistently and adds tertiary scoring. HOWEVER he needs to become more disciplined. Even if he does get bad calls on him (phantom calls or just nonsense penalties) he still needs to learn not to put himself in those situations so much.

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by Mike B on D on Apr 2, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree for the most part with all of what you said, but I disagree that we have a weak defense. I think our defense is actually fine as constructed and is actually better than most in the Eastern conference. The problem is that a lot of nights, they are getting no help from the goalie. The guy back there is giving up huge rebounds, he’s going down to early, he’s playing bad positionally. It’s hard to play defense when you can’t trust the guy behind you to come up with a save.

There are definitely guys on this team that need to go, but it’s only to make cap room to sign a guy that can actually play goalie.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 2, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The most amazing thing about that entire statement was “When we’re playing consistently” well this team never ever plays consistently, that is one of the biggest problems, so how exactly is he able to evaluate this team? Sunday this team was good, last night this team was bad. Which one is it? How does Luukko make such a ridiculous statement like that and no one calls him out for it? Makes no sense.

by EREX21 on Apr 2, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don’t see how Boucher played terrible. Two goals went in off of Flyers deflections. One went in on a two-on-one deflection, not even a shot. There are three goals he has no chance of saving. He gave up 5. Blame the 5th goal on him, sure. But at that point, who the eff cares?? Not the defense in front of him. Not the offense. Not the forwards back-checking.

I think it’s safe to say that Boucher has finally said “F You” to his teammates. If they won’t show up for him, why the hell should he show up for them? He’s not good enough to steal games for them – neither is Leighton – so why do they need him to? If the team just played as well in front of him as they did in front of Leighton, this is not even an issue.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 1, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep. Once it was 3-0 after eleven minutes, the game was over. Everything after that was meaningless.

by MarioD on Apr 1, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly have no clue why the team tanks for Boosh. He must have slept with someone’s wife.

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by JpH89 on Apr 1, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’ll be a report on csnphilly tomorrow.

by SwimminDave on Apr 1, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boucher never gives his teammates time to show up. Almost every single game he lets in a goal within the first three minutes blocking maybe 2 of 4 or 3 of 4 shots if that. We shouldn’t have to score before the other team to win games. We shouldn’t have to score within the first minute to win games. This season is just a train wreck in every position. We have a team FULL of goal scores that can’t score. i don’t get it. maybe we should have drafted a goalie that had a chance to be good soon instead of scorer after scorer after scorer

by Carcillo's Mustache on Apr 1, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boucher never gives his teammates time to show up. Almost every single game he lets in a goal within the first three minutes blocking maybe 2 of 4 or 3 of 4 shots if that. We shouldn’t have to score before the other team to win games. We shouldn’t have to score within the first minute to win games.

The Flyers don’t win when they don’t score first. And they don’t win on the road. And they don’t win…

This team was 10-4-1 after fifteen games. Since then, they are 28-29-5. They’re just not very good.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re just not very good.

your preaching to the choir man

by Carcillo's Mustache on Apr 2, 2010 12:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

those 15 games pretty much match up the date of Emery’s injury

of all the goalies

Emery 16-11-1 2.64 GA 0.905 SV PCT
Leighton 17-9-2 2.83 GA 0.905 SV PCT
Boucher 6-16-3 2.96 GA 0.893 SV PCT

You call out Emery and Leighton as the problem and were clamoring for Boucher after each of Leighton’s wins. Boucher is what you wanted this what you get. Emery was fine and he played above his 1.5 million dollar cap hit, enough with Emery. The guy got hurt and you liked Boosh as the backup we would be in the same situation if Vokuon got hurt and Boosh came in it makes no difference.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except Vokoun actually can, you know, play hockey, so he wouldn’t have gotten hurt because he would’ve stayed in his crease or if he had left the crease he has a functioning catching glove and wouldn’t have dropped the puck.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t say that someone wouldn’t have got hurt so don’t even bother going there.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right! Its way more logical to argue:


if Vokuon got hurt and Boosh came in it makes no difference.

The fact is, however, Vokoun was less likely to get hurt because he’s not a fucking NHL reject like Emery and Leighton are.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying none NHL goalies are more injury prone than NHL goalies. With you injury crystal ball that you most have did you see Carter’s injury coming as well?

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying none NHL goalies are more injury prone than NHL goalies.

No, Im saying some goalies are more injury prone than others.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

nope we had the lead or were tied after 1st period in the 3 game prior to the Islanders

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also your opinion on goaltending ability is completely void after all you clamoring for Boucher. if I need a guy to take faceoffs I will come to you but for goaltending scouting I will stick with Homer and that is sad.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say your reading comprehension skills are way more questionable.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Flyers don’t win when they don’t score first.

You got that right are record is 7-24-1 when we don’t score 1st good for the 3rd fewest wins in the league when giving up the 1st goal.

Why is that day because our goaltending is not good enough to allow us to open up our game and pinch in try to get back in the game and our offense can’t score consistently without having to open things up all the way.

When we score 1st record is 31-9-6 good for 6th in the league. 2nd in the East

Why is that because normally our defense can shutdown the opposition and lock them out from getting back in the game by limiting the oppositions chances.

Last year we were 15-19-5 we trailing 1st, 8th best in the NHL.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is that day because our goaltending is not good enough to allow us to open up our game and pinch in try to get back in the game and our offense can’t score consistently without having to open things up all the way.

Despite the lack of comprehensible word choice, I assume you are blaming the goaltending for the fact that this team doesn’t think its important to play for more than 20 minutes, and gives up once they are losing.

And that falls on leadership.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to a certain extent that leadership is definitely a real issue. However, I also think it’s important for the goalie to be able to successfully make a few stops to start the game to get everyone in the swing of things. Since the Olympic break, this team has given up the first goal so easily, it’s almost sickening. It’s like they are playing in this defensive shell to start the game because the are already expecting some fluke/crappy goal to end up in the net within the first 5 minutes.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s look at first period scoring since the break, with the parenthetical being team and time of the game’s first goal

3/2 Tampa: 1-1 (Flyers at 10:34)
3/3 Florida: 2-0 (Panthers at 7:12)
3/5 Buffalo: 0-0 (Flyers at 4:01 of the 2nd period)
3/7 Toronto: 1-0 (Flyers at 13:22)
3/9 Isles: 1-0 (Isles at 7:06)
3/11 Bruins: 1-0 (Bruins at 13:15)
3/13 Chicago: 0-0 (Flyers at 1:18 of the 3rd)
3/14 Rangers: 1-0 (Flyers at 4:13)
3/16 Predators: 3-1Nash (Flyers at 1:21)
3/18 Stars: 2-1Stars (Dallas at 9:41)

And I’m bored…

But I just don’t see a consistent theme here that relates to the first goal being scored.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well you stopped halfway through John Boruk’s depressing stat: “Flyers have been down 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 2-0 after the first period of their last 4 games.”

Since then, down 1-0, up 2-0, down 3-0 (last night).

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait, so let me get this right. In the last 7 games, they’ve been down a goal or more after the first period?

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

6 of the last 7. They were up on the Devils.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the Devils game is the only one we won right? So there’s my point.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

we lost in Pittsburg and OT loss against Minnesota

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Minnesota and tied with Pittsburgh so 4 of 7

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that falls on leadership.

Holmgren and Laviolette addressed this. It’s not Richards, Pronger, and Timonen who are the problem. It’s the guys who aren’t listening to them.

If you ask me, the “babies” on this team are the ones who aren’t following leadership’s orders and doing what they’re supposed to do. And those are the players you won’t see here next year.

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by mikefive on Apr 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this team just can get it all put together when the goalie is good the offense sucks, when the offensive is good the goalie sucks or the Defense and PK screw up. When we finally play good at most phases in the game the refs fuck us like in Pittsburg and Ottawa or someone gets hurt, or we have 2 weeks off for the Olympics we can’t sustain any consistency.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

More than anything else, my biggest gripe with the team this year has been their inability to overcome adversity.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i respectfully disagree-i think boucher did play terrible.

last night, boucher didn’t come up with one big save that i can remember. i know deflections happen, but the fourth goal (was not hugging post or at least mitigating the possibility of a bank shot) was his fault. the fifth goal was a 25 foot wrister he should have stopped, but it went through him.

for a goalie, i just think that you need to bail your team out once in a while until they get their act together. i know it was 4-0 by the time the flyers showed up, but i just didn’t see boosh making the saves necessary to give the team a chance until they straightened out that charlie foxtrot. i just didn’t see it last night.

boosh right now is only as good as the team playing in front of him.

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by psudrozz on Apr 2, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

boosh right now is only as good as the team playing in front of him.

I agree. Which is why I took issue at calling him out for this loss. I don’t know why expectations for him are higher than with Leighton or Emery. It’s not Boucher’s job to carry a piss-poor team on his back. Boucher needs to just be average, which is what he is. But this team needs more and this board expects more. It’s people making excuses, really.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boucher needs to just be average, which is what he is

I agree but he is not even playing average in the last 3 losses PItt, Minnesota, Islanders he has a 0.787 SV PCT, 37 saves on 47 shots. That is not average that is fucking horrendous. If he was average I wouldn’t be complaining.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The stats guy is making an argument that you can’t look at stats. Islanders game, first three goals not his fault at all. Pittsburgh game, he gave up two, one of which saw the Penguins commit two penalties before putting one in, the other came on a crap PP. The Minnesota game was bad, but look at the game before that: Ottawa. He gives up 1 goal, then the second one came after Gagne was boarded.

Context, my dear Watson, context.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

first three goals not his fault at all.

Agree but an average goalie can make saves that if the shot would have went in we could have justified the goal as not being the goalie’s fault. That is call making a good save. Example Biron average goalie, Giroux on breakaway, would we blame Biron for that goal nope, but he did make the save and it did make a difference. Boucher hasn’t made any good saves in any of those games. If Boucher could come up with a least 1 or 2 good saves in those games we would have 3 more points right now. That is not asking for a lot. This game was so important to start to establish some momemtum after he played good in NJ and he flat out sucked last night.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boucher hasn’t made any good saves in any of those games.

Really? He hasn’t made any good saves?

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http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1083&event=OTT47

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1083&event=OTT292

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1083&event=OTT659

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1073&event=PHI91

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1061&event=ATL205

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1061&event=ATL412

http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20092010,2,1061&event=ATL227

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The links are all screwed, but just C&P.

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

there have been games where he was absolutely fabulous, like the dallas game didn’t he stop like 32 of 33 or 31 of 33.

by ryanitus on Apr 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

he made saves this season was great in Dallas but sucked in up in Minnesota and on the Isle two games where he cost of 3 points single handedly. If his trend of suck balls every other game continues he should be stellar tonight.

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree lol, just think if we had home ice in the playoffs and started off that trend with a great game, but yes consistency is the main difference between leighton and boucher at this point, leighton has had stretches of 5 or 6 games where he has been great. he had some stinkers against boston or the game where kovalev scored 4 on us but other then that he’s been as good as any and I hope regardless of this injury that they extend his contract he has earned the starter job and nobody else even emery has played better thus far.

by ryanitus on Apr 2, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Flyers win out they finish the season with only 92 points. They are on pace for just under 87 points.

Regardless of how they finish, this is the second worst Flyers team since 1993-94, behind only the 2006-07 abomination.

by MarioD on Apr 2, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s pretty appalling.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 2, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the worst flyer team I’ve ever had to cheer for. I’ve been a fan since around 1982.

I watched the whole game last night, not because I wanted to, but because it was like a train wreck. I just couldn’t look away. It’s pretty sad when Duchesne actually came up with a bigger save then Boucher.

Man, Vokoun would sure look good in net right now.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 2, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

second worst Flyers team since 1993-94

Now you’ve gone and made me think of Stew Malgunas.

Now WHY wouldja do that? That’s INCREDIBLY rude!

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by mikefive on Apr 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im at the point where I dont want them to make the playoffs, jut so we dont get embarrassed again.

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by JpH89 on Apr 2, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions  

At this point, it looks like it’s going to take a gargantuan effort to NOT make the playoffs (which they seem to be trying their best at), as the other four teams “competing” for the last 3 spots are just as bad. It’s not going to matter who makes the playoffs, this year’s Eastern Conference first round is going to be nigh unwatchable. The top 3 seeds are going to roll the bottom 3.

by SteelBirdFlyer on Apr 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The worst of it is that they keep showing those flashes of greatness. It’s like they can come out and dominate. For whatever reason, they just don’t.

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by Mike B on D on Apr 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Boosh should be sent to a Siberian pee wee league.

I don’t know why most of you defend Boucher. He shouldn’t be playing, bottom line. I haven’t seen a goalie more brutal than this in ages. Yes the team playing has to want to win, put in an effort , score and defend, but an NHL goalie has to show up with more than just a bottle of Jack Daniels. He looks like a drunk, probably reeks of it too. Every time he has started this season I know it’s over. The situation in Philly is downright shocking and the fact that were trying to pick up goalies from the streets of Finland makes it even more of a mockery. How ever this ends, I will remember Bouch as I remember getting kicked in the nuts. I can’t stand this guy. Now I’m gonna go and daydream of Hextall making those glove saves of old.

by Gonzotatcics on Apr 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Because it’s the easiest fix, let’s start with them not wearing black in crucial games ever again.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree. two jerseys, both retro, and that’s it.

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by psudrozz on Apr 2, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed not wearing Black ever again period I never liked the black and we played much better in the beginning of the year when we wore orange

by chrislanci on Apr 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure I read that like half the teams in the league are making uniform changes including the flyers, supposedly they are losing the black jerseys and using the other 3, the white, the winter classic retro white and the retro orange which are personally my favorite. I still think they should where these.

by ryanitus on Apr 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read that half the league is making uniform changes this upcoming season including the flyers, they are dropping the black and using the white ones and the orange. Personally I like this jersey and wish they still had it.

by ryanitus on Apr 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the third jerseys they wore before the lockout.

by ryanitus on Apr 2, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  


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