Good or Bad? Shootouts determine playoff berths?
(Hello, I am a regular poster on the Rangers blog here at SBNation. I would like to congratulate the Flyers on a great game Sunday and for making the playoffs. The reason I am here is because I was disappointed that such a great game Sunday, with playoff births at stake, was decided by a shootout. In my opinion (as you will read) the shootout was the worst way to end such a game, and it's awful that a team's opportunity to play in the playoffs was decided by one. I wrote this article on the Rangers blog, and wanted to know what your response is.)
(Even though the Flyers won the shootout, are you satisfied (happy in how it was ultimately decided) with the ending?)
When it comes to the end of a hockey game in the regular season, we have all asked ourselves if the shootout was the most sensible thing we can do to allow a winner and a loser in every game. Some agree, some disagree and call it the "charity point" to go along with the point system argument. I think for now, if a winner and a loser must be determined, the shootout is alright. But in the back of my mind, although I can come up with plenty of counter arguments, a shootout should not determine any winner when playoff implications are at stake. This leaves me to my question for all of you: Is it a good thing or a bad thing that a shootout can determine what team gets into the playoffs?
As I watched the Rangers play the Flyers Sunday, I wanted the game to end sensibly. I wanted there to be no bad calls, no gimmicks, just a hard fought game, and a winner. it just pains me to see the Rangers miss the opportunity to play in the playoffs because they lost a shootout. I am not talking as a Rangers fan, but as a hockey fan. Should a team's season be decided by a shootout?
As I said, I have many counter arguments. A team could've clinched a playoff birth before season's end by winning a shootout. So does every game that could decide a playoff contender have to end differently than every other game? No. A team that reaches the playoffs could've won plenty of shootouts in the regular season. Likewise, a team that reaches the playoffs could've lost plenty of shootouts in the regular season. The shootout is here to end games before the playoffs begin, and it did just that on Sunday. No harm, no foul.
But is it really no harm, no foul? Did the shootout that ended Sunday's game really determine who the better team was? A game such as the one played on Sunday should have ended differently, just because of the special circumstance the winner goes into the playoffs. In my opinion, the shootout Sunday was the worst way possible to end the game. A "special" game like the one on Sunday, if the game is tied through regulation, should go to overtime. Sudden death. Golden goal. Whatever you may want to call it. It should not be decided through a skills competition. A gimmick. A show.
If the Rangers won, would I still have these feelings towards the way the game Sunday was decided? Yes. Would I be happy the Rangers won? Of course. However the Flyers shouldn't have their season be decided by a shootout. Neither should the Rangers, nor should any team. Watching the shootout on Sunday was like watching a shootout decide who wins the Stanley Cup. There was just too much on the line for a shootout to take place. Something has to be done to prevent an appalling finish such as the one witnessed Sunday. The NHL's "show for the fans" just determined who has the privilege of playing for the Stanley Cup. That is downright awful.
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Even though it helped the Flyers, its total BS that a eason for any team ends in a shootout. Thats like, if the Red Sox’s and Yankee’s were tied in the last game, and they had a home run derby to decide who wins the division.
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While I realize it does suck to have a playoff birth determine playoff births, I do think that we need to remember this was a regular season game. If the game on friday had gone into a shootout, then the playoff birth would have been determined by a shootout (had the flyers won). I think that the intensity was just magnified because it was the last game, and it was for a playoff birth.
Did the shootout that ended Sunday’s game really determine who the better team was?
Maybe the shootout didn’t determine it, but the Flyers were definitely the better team on Sunday. The shootout isn’t perfect, but if the Flyers had lost in a shootout, I would have been more upset that they couldn’t finish more than once on Lundquist after getting almost 50 shots off than that the shootout determined the winner.
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Without a doubt the Flyers were the better team Sunday. The only reason the Rangers were in it was because of Lundqvist.
What I meant by “better team” is not by just Sunday. In my opinion it’s hard to decide what team is better by a shootout. The only reason why I use the word “better” is because the playoffs are a competiton between the league’s best in each conference. The title of “better team” was awarded on shootout, and therefore the “better team” is allowed to compete for the Cup, which I think is ridiculous.
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It was totally ridiculous.
But the Rangers really can’t complain about it, for two reasons:
1) The game should’ve ended in a tie after 5 minutes, and the Flyers would still have gotten the final playoff spot in that scenario.
2) The Rangers clearly played for a shootout.
And they are a lot better in Shootouts than we are, say what you want but they got more points from it this year than we did.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 12, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
In shootouts, I believe the Flyers were 4-3, and the Rangers were 3-4? Whether that is correct or not MarioD is correct, the Rangers played for a shootout. Whether I like it or not, that is what they did, but the beauty of blogging is to ask questions right?
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Maybe the Devils are the one that was always dominant in shootouts? For some reason I thought one of the 2 teams with a good goalie in this division got a ton of extra points off of SOs?
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 13, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was born yesterday during the shootout?
sorry, about that…
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I definitely don’t like the shootout very much to begin with, and I didn’t want to see the season end that way. Not just because I thought we wouldn’t pull it off, but because I don’t think it should end that way.
But I said yesterday, and Mario said it above, that it’s harder to feel sorry for the Rangers since the players and the coach made a conscious decision to try to force a shootout. The Rangers fans may hate it, but they made that decision and thus I can’t feel sorry for the team.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 12, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
should of probably posted that Boucher comment on this thread…. but yeah, Amen!!!
Kind of funny how basketball or baseball or any other sport can continue til it’s officially decided by a team in regulated time or in hockey terms (sudden death). We had to tho because people complained and we(NHL, Bettman, etc.) gave in. It should go back to that format, it always leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many fans having to witness great games go for not because they have to rely on individual skill instead of team effort.
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yeah its ridiculous but
I’m also in favor of a 3 pt system. Where a team gets 3 for a win in regulation or overtime, 2 pts for a shootout win and 1 for a shootout lose. If this was the case the Flyers would have already clinched because they have more wins and so the game would not have mattered.
Additionally, you would have to have been wearing some very very blue shaded goggles to say the best team lost on Sunday.
i just don’t feel that they ever will… maybe tho.
Oh, I know, but what if the Rangers would have won, would make my point more valid cuz we would all be feeling that way.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Apr 12, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said above in another comment, the Flyers were without a doubt the better team on Sunday. But for the game to end as it did was as you say, ridiculous.
I am in favor of a points system change as well. This way the ridiculousness stops.
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I have to agree with the other posters here, that that was a tremendously one sided game, with heroics from King Henry.
I don’t like the shootout system, and something needs to be done about it. If it’s going to stay, then certainly there should be some scoring adjustments.
What I’d like to see is more incentive to win in the OT. Maybe something like:
Win in Regulation – 3 points
Win in OT – 3 Points (Loser gets 1)
Win in Shootout – 2 Points (Loser gets 1)
Right now if a team is out of gas, it’s far too easy to play for the shootout, which is pretty much what you saw a lot of this season.
But you still have games worth different amounts of points. Games decided in regulation give out 3 pts. Games decided in OT give out 4 pts. Games decided in a shootout give out 3 pts. Unless I misunderstood your post.
by keeperdude2209 on Apr 12, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
While I’m not a fan of how unsatisfying a tie was, I’m not a huge fan of the shoot out. Having a game go on until done will start killing players when they play back to back games.
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Sucky way to lose, but the Rangers were playing for it after the Flyers scored. I was wondering how much time they could possibly waste in OT just passing the puck in their own zone.
If the game had ended as a tie the Flyers would have made it anyway in 8th. At least the regular season is over and now no more shootouts!
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I don’t care that it’s the Rangers; I can’t help but feel a little bad that their season ended thanks to a skills competition. I don’t care that the Flyers won the most important shootout in the NHL since it was instituted after the lockout; there has to be something better than this. Especially in a game like Sunday’s that decides both who’s in and who’s out.
Bring back the tie!
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by Mitchell Green on Apr 13, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
i feel for you ranger fans, but fact is both teams have squandered points along the way this season and deserved the heartache at the end and so the last game had to decide the fate of two underachieving teams.
i was thinking at the start of overtime that a shootout will probably decide the outcome and it wasnt fair for either team. and i felt sorry for you guys on the losing end. but look back at your season and find a game there you should have won, or a point you lost in the last minute. that decides your fate not the last game of the season. its pathetic actually that it came down to this – i was disappointed with the Flyers – but am very happy for the next 4-7 games to come.
Yeah, both teams squandered points through the season. To name one game on the Rangers side, was the recent one against Toronto in which Kaberle scored from the corner boards on the goal line late in the third to tie, and then Toronto won the game after regulation.
Yes, pathetic indeed. Got to live with it, however disappointing it may be.
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