On fan atmosphere at the Prudential Center
A few quick thoughts about tonight's game after jump. If you want Flyers coverage, go to Broad Street Hockey. But don't trust them with anything about, say, the crowd at the Rock. I'll be there in my seat. They won't.
>> John Fischer, ILWT
There have been a lot of shots taken at us over the last few days about our comments on the atmosphere in the Prudential Center during Game 1. Never mind the audible 'BOOOOOOOSH' chants raining down from the seats each time Brian Boucher came close to a puck, and never mind the empty lower bowl just a few minutes before game time.
Yes, for the record: I received that photo at 8:53 PM on Wednesday evening after soliciting a friend of mine in attendance for a picture of the rink. I asked him at 7:27 PM, meaning that photo was taken three minutes before scheduled puck drop at the earliest. Maybe eight minutes, if you figure the puck doesn't actually drop until about 7:35ish.
Either way, the emptiness of those seats so close to game time would embarrass me as a Devils fan.
I would know, too, as I have experience as a fan of a team that nobody cared about -- a team that couldn't draw at the gate. I've mentioned this here on the site many times, but I was a season ticket holder for the Atlantic City Boardwalk Bullies of the ECHL for the four years they were in town, 2001-2005. Despite being one of the most successful on-ice franchises in the league during that period, including a Kelly Cup championship in their second season, the Bullies failed to draw at the gate.
I'd show up for each game at capacity 12,500 Boardwalk Hall with maybe 2,500 butts in the seats on a strong Friday night. 3,000 was just a gift. Weeknight games? Please. 1,000 paid attendance on a good night, hundreds of actual fans in the building. I went through a long denial period with the Bullies -- 'just get a better parking situation' or 'build an arena on the mainland away from the hassles of the city' or 'people are buying the tickets but just not showing up,' I'd say. By the final season, it was clear the Bullies would be sold and moved, and for somebody that attended probably 90 percent of the games in their history, it was embarrassing. You feel like you've failed your team, even though you've clearly done everything you could.
I'm not saying that the New Jersey Devils are ready to pick up and move somewhere, but there are comparisons here in the way I felt about my team and the way Devils fans must feel about their team. Feelings of denial, pain, anger, embarrassment. I know them all too well, and we really don't mean to poke too much fun at them (okay, maybe a little, but it's a hockey rivalry for eff's sake).
Still, it's a sense of pride for us as Flyers fans when we can enter a visiting barn -- especially in the postseason -- and make our voices heard, no matter what that opposing fan base is like. And we're going to highlight that pride, regardless of what Devils fans have to say on the subject.
I'm going to be at Prudential Center tonight. I'm arriving early, I'm staying late and I'm taking a lot of pictures and a lot of video along the way. All of it will be uploaded here tomorrow as I re-visit this story, because I don't like when shots are taken at us for what really amounts to one sentence at the beginning of our Game 1 recap and one other sentence in a call for Philly folks to invade the Devils' building.
Maybe the Flyers fans in attendance on Wednesday were just a vocal minority. Totally plausible. And yes, the lower bowl did appear to fill in as Game 1 progressed. But when a Devils fan in attendance tries to make this justification...
Travis Zajac scored a lifeline goal which got the crowd back in action (the third period otherwise had a mood of disgust, with "Booooos" for every time Boucher would cover up a puck or somesuch), but the Devils couldn't ride any momentum from that to really pressure Brian Boucher much more than just crashing the net.
... for the very obvious 'BOOOOSH' chants that were all over the place on Wednesday, can you blame me for questioning things?
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Let’s see: either Devils fans are being boorish and booing our players, which they say they never are/do because they are such a great fanbase…OR it’s Flyers fans chanting “Boosh.” Either way you slice it, it doesn’t look good.
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I’ve been to a bunch of Devils games at the Rock. My old job used to have season tix. That place is always sparse. When they play the Rangers there’s by far more Ranger fans there. There’s always a big contingent of Flyer fans when they play there… It’s just a fact that Devils fans need to own up to. That team doesn’t draw nearly as well as it should and it never has.
Devils fans are in a weird position of being a minority in their home state. South Jersey is probably 80-20 Flyers fans and North jersey is probably 60-40 Ranger fans.
A friend of mine in Bronxville (a borough in the city of Yonkers, NY) said that there are a lot of Devils fans near him, and he’s right outside of the Bronx for all intents and purposes.
Maybe it’s too far of a drive from Scarsdale to Newark.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
How long ago was that?
Because obviously things change.
The few times I’ve been to prudential, there’s only been the normal smattering of opposing fans. Granted I’ve never been to a rivalry game recently, but still its not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out.
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Sorry Mr Fischer
I was in section 15 about 17 rows up. That is lower bowl, behind and to the right of where Marty was in goal in the 1st and 3rd. There was 8 seats to my left empty the entire game.
There were 100’s of other empty seats in the lower bowl all game long.
Reality check time Devils fans. It’s not your fault the NHL shoehorned you into NJ.
Actually, the excuse made by some of the fans over there when I tried to go over there counter John Fischer’s points linked above, “well of course a building of 20% Flyers fans are going to be heard loudly screaming Boosh because Devils fans are not saying anything then.” To which I add, unless you like idiotic fans telling you that you should not be over there because you have not won a cup in 30 years, don’t do what I did. More to the point, though, maybe the Flyers fans were near a microphone, but it sure as heck sounded a little more than just 3,000, if we are going by Fischer’s estimate the crowd was 80-20. I mean, those were loud Boosh chants. Correct me if I’m wrong, but 3,000 fans would not be that audible in a stadium whose capacity is 17,625, right?
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For the recored any orange shirts wearing fans screaming BOOOOOSH you see tonight while watching the game on TV is actually a faded red Devils shirt and they are screaming DOOOOOSH
why is this such a sore point with Devils fans? It’s long been documented that the arena has problems filling up. I know what an empty arena looks like, I visit the Bank Atlantic Center in S. FL every year. It looks earily similar to the pic sent to Travis.
I think most hockey puckheads have been making the following joke for years…
“Man, I feel sorry for Devils fans…all 12 of them.”
Personally, if I was a Devils fan, I wouldn’t give two craps about what people said about attendance, I’d have 3 stanley cup championships plugging my ears.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
I think they are trying (unsuccessfully) to erase that stigma on them. They don’t want to be that punchline. Devils fans want New Jersey to have it’s own hockey team and they want that team to be the only team with “New Jersey” in it’s name. Never mind the impracticalities of being a Devils fan in southern Jersey where you don’t get the games or removing all of the people who have always identified with New York teams and the New York market out of northern Jersey. I think the bottom line is because Devils fans see themselves as “New Jersey’s Team,” and they are a punchline in bad attendance because the majority of the population supports either the Flyers or the Rangers, they are greatly irritated by it.
As useless a way as it is to discredit someone’s opinion about the crowd, at least someone over there was smart enough to plug his ears with the Stanley Cups.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
Yeah, that’s pretty much how they reacted to Jfein when he posted over there. Just saying that you shouldn’t even be able to post on other blogs if you haven’t won a Cup in the past 30 years. It was ridiculous.
And on your point about the Bank Atlantic Center; I go to about 15 to 20 games there every year (boss is the number 2 season ticket holder, gets dead center ice, 12 rows back opposite the benches) and that place is pathetic. I swear you can go to almost any game and there will be more fans for the opposing team. I love going to Flyers games there to be honest, it’s not like a game in Philly, but it’s better than if I lived in Washington or Pitt and went to a Flyers game…
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I go to about 5 or 6. I would love to go to more…of course, I go see the Flyers both times they come to town.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Former SBN hockey chief and current ProHockeyTalk editor Brandon Worley:
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/flyers-vs-devils-the-fans-are-even-into-it.php
If the crowd was any indication on Thursday, there were certainly a number of Flyers fans in attendance. ILWT is playing it off as the crowd “booing” Brian Boucher when he touches the puck, but anyone who’s been to Flyers game knows that “BOOOSH” call when they hear it; it certainly seemed to this third-party observer that there was a strong contingent of Flyers fans in attendance.
You can’t fault John for getting defensive; after all, who wants their fanbase attacked in the midst of a playoff series? But it certainly seems there’s some merit to the Flyers’ fans point about the lack of Devils fans, and straight out denying it all comes across as a bit petty
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I’m not sure how anyone older than 5 years old could logically play it off as booing. You don’t have to be a Flyer fan or even a hockey fan to know that it’s a cheer. In any sport, if you have an “ooh” sound in your name (or even your nickname — “Moose,” for example) you’re going to get a cheer that sounds like that.
I’m sure this guy knows what’s going on and is just trying to think up excuses, but it seems to have backfired because it just makes him sort of sound ignorant.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Apr 16, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Moose, Duce, Boosh, etc. Yeah, it is pretty obvious that there were a lot of Flyers fans in attendence. Honestly the funny thing is, if 20%(their ridiculous self reported number) of the people in my building were rooting for the other team I’d be furious. It happpens here all the time with the Habs. They take over this building all the time, and it is an embarrassment.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 16, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprised
I’m personally surprised no one wrote this here yet. Since the Rock was built, those seats that your buddy took a picture of are what they call “The Club” seats. The arena is also equipped with 2 bars where you can watch the actual game from: The Fire Lounge, & The Ice Lounge.
Now these seats mostly go for like $200 – $250 and give you access to either the Fire or Ice Lounge. Some other lower ones give access to the Goal Bar, which I don’t think you can see the game from, but it’s still a patrician meeting spot. Most people in those seats were watching the game from those Lounges. Look at your buddy’s picture to the right and see how they’re more filled. Those AREN’T CLUB seats – they are the Goal Bar (I believe Gold or Yellow sections).
Before the Rock figured out what they were going to do with these, in 2006, I snuck into the Ice Lounge during the second Devil game ever at the Rock . . . . and I didn’t leave for the entire game (now you must show your ticket and get it stamped or a bracelet or something like that) partly because this lounge offered me a better view and they’ve got a hell of a bar and food atmosphere with chairs and tables to view from. The point being is that you have a full ice view of the game and a great spot to watch them from. Same goes with the tables that they have around the concourse on the 2nd level. (For the first time in Game 1, I saw them using the curtains up there to block the view – that was weird – I guess they do want people in the seats). Walk by them tonight and see for yourself.
The fact is that the game was a sellout, no matter how you try to spin it. John F. at our blog says it was 80% – 20%, and I buy that.
Hey it’s true – Philly fans are as passionate as you see. The media loves to try and slam Philly fans, but that only makes the loyalty and passion stronger. CLICK ON MY PROFILE – I KNOW HOW IT IS . . . for 2 sports out of the year. It’s never a surprise when Flyer fans make the trip up (or Ranger ones). I get to be a part of that crowd too. So, when the Phillies fans invade Nationals’ Park, I get it – GREAT FANS. However, being a Devil fan does give me some empathy for the Nats fans . . . SOME.
I can go into how it’s harder to be a Devil fan in New Jersey. Some people in Bergen, Essex and Hudson feel like they gotta be enamored with NYC – so they go for the Rangers. Hey – Newark is NOT NYC or Philly. The Devils don’t have that “city” pull, pure and simple.
They’re a small market area like Kansas City, I mean look at the map of New Jersey.
For now, until people like me who grew up with the Devils get older and increase our purchasing power, there will be some attendance issues. But, it’s getting better and to me, offers the strongest sense to re-sign Kovalchuk – attendance has jumped since he’s come on board look how the attendance numbers have been since the trade. (You’ll have to click on each individual home game score. He was traded around Feb 3rd).
It is just harder to be a Devils’ fan. Kevin Smith said it. You’ve got the NJ Ranger fans who’m I’ve already mentioned and you South Jersey Flyer fans – so it truly carves up the state. I definitely have more issue with Ranger fans in NJ than Philly fans in South Jersey – because Ranger fans have the Devils on TV and South Jersey fans don’t.
BTW – I lived in Margate and Somers Point and went to Bullies’ games a lot too. When they moved in 2005, I moved up to North Jersey and I felt it was symbolic. I LOVED going to those Bully games. But they aren’t the same. The South Jersey Shore has no white collar economy as mentioned in the book, No Minor Accomplishment, when the AC Surf’s struggles were mentioned. North Jersey has the businesses, the corporations and the purchasing power to keep the luxury boxes filled and those Club Seats sold. Believe me, big bucks up here in North Jersey.
I have respect for most sports fans with 2 exceptions: NY Ranger fans who grew up in New Jersey, and Dallas Cowboy fans who can't name the capital of Texas.
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They have a brand new arena . . . . so the Islanders would move well before the Devils would. And most Islander fans I’ve talked to , would cheer for the Devils and drop dead before they would ever do that for the Rangers.
I have respect for most sports fans with 2 exceptions: NY Ranger fans who grew up in New Jersey, and Dallas Cowboy fans who can't name the capital of Texas.

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