ECQF Game 2: Devils squeak out offensive battle, a sentence you won't hear everyday
by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 16, 2010 10:39 PM EDT
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PrintAfter a tight defensive battle in Game 1, Game 2 was totally offensive in all sorts of ways.
After Ryan Parent turned over the puck several times behind the net on one shift, Zach Parise and Dainius Zubrus hit the puck past Brian Boucher simultaneously to give the Devils their game-winning fourth with only 4:04 remaining in the third period.
There are plenty of reasons the Flyers lost, but the biggest is almost certainly their lack of success on the power play. The Devils were a man down seven times, a hugely uncharacteristic number, but the Flyers only cashed in twice, and negated one of those with a shorthanded goal against. Hartnell has definitely overstayed his welcome on that unit, whereas Pronger's new presence down in the slot is amazingly awesome and should be continued.
A few more thoughts on the Game 2 loss:
- Brian Boucher was often spectacular, and only one goal (the second) can be blamed on him fairly. Despite the loss, I'd say he outdueled Brodeur again, as ol' Marty looked completely out of position several times, including a ridiculous beach ball-sized five-hole on the Flyers' second goal.
- As far as skaters go, Claude Giroux, Arron Asham, Kimmo Timonen and Chris Pronger were all very good. Everybody else, not so much.
- Ryan Parent is not very good. And pairing him with Bartulis in the late stages of the third is a recipe for disaster.
- This was not a typical performance by the Devils at all. They took an obscene number of penalties, and played a fairly run-and-gun style throughout.
- No one breaks as many sticks in crucial late game situations as Jeff Carter. No one. He needs to do something about that.
- Thanks to the Kovalchuk empty netter, this was the first game of the 2010 playoffs that had more than a one-goal differential. With the win, Kovalchuk's career playoff record improves to 1-5.
Split achieved, which is good. More would have been better, but the Flyers still have the upper hand in this series. Here's hoping that hand turns into a fist and pummels the Devils early and often back at the Wach.
After the jump, questions answered and a comment of the night.
Questions Answered:
- Can the Flyers establish a fore check early on? No, the Devils controlled at the outset. The momentum went back and forth
- Will the Flyers cut back on the penalties? Yes, and the Devils did the opposite.
- Does the defense play as well as it did on Wednesday? Not at all.
- Ilya Kovalchuk was clearly trying to do too much in Game 1 and he frustrated himself in the process, getting off of his game. Can the Flyers frustrate him some more tonight? Yes. He's a fairly angry dude, that Kovalchuk.
- More BOOOOSH excellence? Yep, but not enough.
- Is the Parent for Krajicek swap a smart one? No, not at all. Parent was totally to blame for the GWG.
Comment of the Night:
Did you hear all those Devils fans cheering sarcastically as if they were glad the Flyers scored? --HuckNZ
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I’ll write the whole post up tomorrow, but can anybody guess which two players got owned in the Fenwick and Corsi numbers tonight?
Hint: Not Scott Hartnell or Oskars Bartulis.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 16, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
You got one of them right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 16, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
G Detty, I love you mang, but this whole Corzine and Fuckwit thing hurts my brain. Just use normal people stats for hockey. I’m too dumb to remember all this new confoundation.
by BroadStreetBully on Apr 17, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1, the playoffs are all about intangibles anyway. Don’t give me numbers just give me effort and heart.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 17, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why Krajicek isn’t playing unless he is hurt. He is our 5th defensemen.
Lavy made a big mistake putting Parent and Bartulis out there with less then 5 minutes left in a tie game. A real opportunity to put a dagger in the devils wasted. I like Bartulis in the line up because he plays a more physical role but we need at least one defensemen on the ice who can break the puck out.
Carter looked better than he did last game, at least he was getting chances offensively.
Fischer has the first picture of the crowd up
Per Fischer himself, this picture was taken after the Greene goal in the 2nd. You’ll notice the standing Devils fans waving red towels making it very hard to spot any sitting down Flyers fans.
Can Travis (or Brandon Worley of PHT because he claimed he was taking pics as well) take a picture of the crowd with everyone sitting and watching the game?
From my observations on TV, the crowd as a whole was louder than in Game 1 but this was also an all around more exciting game with plenty of back and forth action, great plays, and several momentum swings. Any crowd would be louder. That being said, you could still hear plenty of “BOOOOOSH” chants and I swear the entire far left corner of the arena (going by the view of the TV camera angle) jumped for joy when Asham scored that goal. There were lots of cheers for the Flyers goals. Pics of everyone sitting will confirm further but I am guessing 75-25 New Jersey. Agree? Disagree? I am curious.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
I’ll just say this — a crowd standing up always looks bigger than a crowd sitting down. It masks all the empty seats. Most seats were filled last night, even in the lower bowl, but that picture is kind of dishonest.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 17, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if we’re gonna play carter then not in crucial stituations until he has his game legs back…he’s too deconditioned. that last fan at the puck was craptacular. or did he break another stick….which is also craptacular as per his penchant for doing so according to Geoff. we looked brillant at times and then short bus-a-rific.
What did I say?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 17, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick Update:
Bartulis and Parent: .442 Fenwick, .452 Corsi, outscored 13-5
Coburn and Parent: .477 F, .481 C, outscored 8-3
Bartulis and Coburn: .480 F, .475 C, outscored 15-11
Neither Bartulis or Parent plays with Timonen, but here are those numbers:
Timonen and Bartulis: .464 F, .405 C, outscored 2-1 (Incredibly small sample: Fenwick is 26 shots for out of 56; Corsi is 30 shots for out of 74)
Timonen and Parent: .516 F, .524 C, outscoring 3-1 (Incredibly small sample: Fenwick is 33 shots for out of 64; Corsi is 43 shots for out of 82)
Parent total: .444 F, .455 C, outscored 27-13
Bartulis total: .457 F, .456 C, outscored 38-27
Even with the small sample, it’s pretty obvious Bartulis and Parent need to stay as far away from each other as possible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 17, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Why the heck did I guess Carter for Fenwick/Corsi?
Fail.
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That was all season though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Disappointing, as this was a totally winnable game that would have all but buried the Devils.
I don’t understand Laviolette’s thinking yet again.
Why sit Krajicek?
Why do you have Parent and Bartulis out there with 4 minutes to go?
Why demote Carbomb and put Powe on the first line? Is Carbomb hurt or something?
On a positive note, Boosh was sharp and stole at least one sure goal. He seems to be getting more confident with every game, and even though this was a loss, it bodes well for our chances that he seems to have regained his swagger.
Because Pronger, Carle, Coburn, and Timmonen can’t play 60 minutes.
They had gone a very long time since the last tv timeout, and with 4 minutes left in a tie game, Lavi has to start planning for OT, and trying to sneak his 3rd pair on the ice when possible.
He had no choice but to send the 3rd line out on that shift.
Although do you think LeMaire might have been banking on that? I am to unfamiliar with all the line changes and the Devils players but the mismatch was quite pronounced. Granted he has Brodeur in the net to gamble like that
Simply put you can’t allow guys like Andy Greene and Colin White to score goals, it’s similar to the Jody shelley thing, a guy scores on philly who can’t score on anyone else.
Sure Lemaire is hoping for a chance to send that top line out against the 3rd pairing.
From the play-by-play, there was a tv timeout at 11:53, and not again until after the goal at 15:56.
He snuck the third pair out for 30 seconds at 13:02. They were sent out again at 14:58
So in that 3:05 from the last tv timeout to the goal-scoring shift, 2:35 had been played by Pronger/Carle or Coburn/Kimmo and 30 by Parent/Bartulis.
You really can’t do much more than that, especially in a game with a very strong possibility of heading to OT.
Tough one last night. They played a decent game, except for spells of the second. Also I thought Richards played really well and he I was in kovalchoke’s head all night.
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by MJDII on Apr 17, 2010 7:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Parent-Bartulis
Parent is soft on the wall and weak on the first pass when he’s got someone on him. Bartulis is ok on the wall, but also weak on the pass under pressure. But the real killer is when they are out there with the Carter line. It has a compounding effect on them in the defensive zone. In fact, as much as Lavy wants to get Carter and Hartnell going, they don’t deserve the time they are getting, especially with the kids playing so well. And why is Hartnell getting twice the ice time as Carcillo, again? Carcillo is actually better at both ends of the ice than our ex-30 goal a year caveman.
Watching Sportcenter this morning
According to Barry Melrose, this game decided the series and the Devils played great through the entire game and now the Devils are going to go on and win the series. I hate Barry Melrose. How does the home team winning ONE game at home decide the series. Especially since the road team split the wins and brought the games back home.
I really hope we take the next two and finish the series in jersey in game 5 just so Barry Melrose has to eat his words.
Also, according to him, we were given the first game. The devils were obviously not playing well and gave up a win to the flyers. I don’t understand. He also said the same thing for the Pitt/Ottawa series, how can you say that one team is so much better than another team when THAT game is decided in overtime? I don’t even think he watches the games at this point, I wish I could grow a ratty beard, slick my hair back with motor oil, and get paid to comment on hockey.
A) ESPN doesn’t know hockey
B) Melrose hates the Flyers because they didn’t hire him as a coach(when we hired Hitch). He has said it a million times that he doesn’t like the organization, and always roots against us.
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said that Steven Stamkos was too young for the NHL. Heck, he must be such a smart ass!
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I’m ready for Game 3 in Philly… NJ will see a real crowd. Flyers looked a little gassed in Game 2 but the home crowd will be just what the doctor ordered for our boys. If we can take the Game 3 then I’m pretty confident in taking Game 4 at home as well.
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Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
On the radio they said we have to get Giroux on the ice more. Who would you guys take off to get him on more.
Well then you are clearly you have no idea what you are talking about because Crosby is a stone cold winner. He is the best player in the world. The anti-Crosby would pretty much mean that Girioux sucks and is useless, which is clearly not the case. So until you elaborate on your statement on it just looks like you have no idea what you are saying.
Woah. Slow your roll there buddy. Crosby dives and complains on the ice and has a completely different face that he turns to the media. Giroux is an up and coming talent, who I believe will equal Crosby’s skill, who just works hard every second he’s on the ice. When he got boarded last night, he just got up and kept moving.
Well then you are clearly you have no idea what you are talking about because Crosby is a stone cold winner. He is the best player in the world. The anti-Crosby would pretty much mean that Girioux sucks and is useless, which is clearly not the case.
So you read all of that into me saying that Giroux is the Anti-Crosby? How about this then,
Biron is the Anti-Emery. I bet that statement just turns your world upside down. Quick go find some deeper meaning in that statement!
Not with Crosby having a cup and a gold medal. Ovechkin needs to show he can do it when it matters most, not just against the SE division during the regular season.
The Pens did better to build around Crosby than Washington did for Ovi I don’t think you can take away from Ovi because his best teammates are younger than him and his organization can’t build a winner around their superstar.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but I disagree. Ovechkin is a better pure scorer and hitter but it ends there. Crosby win’s faceoffs. Plays defense, kills penalties, makes the guys around him better. Has a Stanley Cup ring and a Gold Medal. Crosby wins. Ovechkin scores. That’s it.
watch him play and you’ll understand what I mean, he plays his heart out is my point and he isn’t afraid to take the blame while Crosby sits and whines about every little thing that doesn’t go his way.
I don’t disagree that on the surface Ovechkin plays with his heart on his sleeve, I watch a ton of his games because I find him to be very entertaining.
But a guy can have heart and show it in a different way. Some guys are very enthusiastic about it, others, like Crosby are not.
I won’t disagree that Crosby does seem to do his good bit of whining, but certainly not as much as he used to.
Also, based on the numbers, Crosby has a slightly higher points per game average than Ovechkin, by like 0.03 points.
I don’t know how you measure someone’s heart.
I agree Ovie has more skill.
But just because you have more skill and are more talented does not make you a better player.
You are right, Crosby does the little things better.
Numbers wise:
Ovie has 23 more points than Crosby in 25 more games. All the while Ovie has taken 922 more shots. I would be willing to bet that if Crosby took as many shots he would dominate Ovie in points. But that’s not his game. His game is making his teammates better.
I would have to say my reasoning of Ovie being better is he is much more electrifying than Crosby and he wears his heart on his sleeve more. But its just my opinion, I’d put Ovie, Crosby, Stamkos as the best young players in the league in that rank, Malkin 4th. Malkin is the complete package he’s just overshadowed in Pitt by Crosby.
Duprois: 18 goals
Kunitz: 13 goals
Cooke: 15 goals
Guerin: 21 goals
Talbot: 2 goals
Godard: 1 goal
Adams: 0 goals.
I don’t think he makes his teammates that much better when a 40 year old is the leading wing scorer. Look at the numbers of the guys Ovechkin plays with.
Bottom line these are the best two players in the league since Mario and Gretz in the 80’s it’s just great having two superstarts like this in the league.
This why I agrue that the Flyers need to build a more defensive team to deal with these asshole in the same conference for the next few years
whoops that should say
….with these assholes being in the same conference as our’s for the next few years
Absolutely. While I personally value ability to win it all and elevate your team over pure scoring alone, both Ovechkin and Crosby are great hockey players, there is no doubt about that. And like them or hate them, they are not going away any time soon. It’s kind of sad but this is where having a depleted farm (I can’t find it now, weren’t we just ranked last in the league by someone?) and no draft picks really hurts us because a new core of young defensive players in addition to Pronger and Timonen would be a major step up to what we have now.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
When you overpay for guys like Pronger you end up with no farm system. Not saying Pronger hasn’t been great but salvaging a 20 goal score and two first rounders basically is a lot for an aging defensemen.
Aging my ass his numbers don’t lie Pronger had one of his best years here and is the team MVP and will only cost you a little over 4 million on the cap for the next 6 years. Ovie and Crosby were number 1 overall mid twenty picks are rarely impact players only in those rare super deep draft years. Either way a draft pick in this draft is not going to help this team out until 2012-2013 or so. Of all the draft picks the Flyers have traded away in my lifetime I am sure less than 20% were used to draft an actual impact player.
True but it also proves how bad the shootout idea was, it has absolutely nothing to do with how the game was played. Think about it, looking down the ice and knowing you have to face Crosby and Malkin in a shootout is just a joke after you’ve played them for 60 mins you deserve to play them in a game style to get a decision.
Well everybody argues they would be to tired for the next game if they played continuous OT games in the regular season but personally idc. If this is a job then they should have to go until the job is finished, none of my bosses ever let me off the hook for being tired.
Crosby is not the only hockey player that takes a dive. Guys on the Flyers do it as well. All Captains complain, that is part of their job and Crosby does a whole lot less of it than he used too. Girioux has a ton of talent but he will never, even on his best day match Crosby’s talent. Girioux works as hard as he does because he has too, because he doesn’t have the talent a guy like Crosby does.
Make no mistake, I dislike Crosby as much as anyone, and Girioux is probably my favorite current Flyer but I am also a realist.
The problem is Crosby has the talent of Gretzky and Super Mario but doesn’t carry himself like those two players did. They got special treatment and knew it. They didn’t cry and complain and take cheap shots and then go hide behind the refs. Gretzky, Mario, Stevie Y, Forsberg, Sakic, even Jagr and Messier carried themselves with class that matched and probably in some cases exceeded their skill. I was at the game when Super Mario got a 5 min standing ovation at the Wachovia Center from Flyers fan when he returned from cancer. Those are the true superstars players that were beloved by all hockey fans. Gretzky and Yzerman beat us directly in the Cup Finals and yet they are not nearly as hated as Crosby, You can’t deny Crosby skill and talent he is the best player in the world hands down but he has no class and is gutless coward who came into the league with a chip on his shoulder and abuses the special star treatment he receives from Bettmen and the officials. This is not just a Philly Crosby thing, hockey fans of all teams can’t stand Crosby and his attitude.
Messier was a pretty big cheap shot guy if memory serves. Maybe not in his Rangers days but definitely when he played for the Oilers.
I never harbored hatred for Messier probably because I remember him most as a Ranger where he was older. But either way and correct me if I am wrong if Messier did take cheap shots he would drop the gloves and stand up for himself like a man. He didn’t go stir the pot and throw punches over refs and slue foot goaltenders and then turtle up or go down like a ton of bricks if someone hit him back. Crosby’s attitude is much more akin to Matthew Barnaby. He kind of look likes him too.
It’s sad that just because you are a Flyers fan you won’t look at someone’s body of work for what it is. I guess that’s what happens when you follow one team and not a sport.
Dude, it’s a game. People grab curved sticks and chase a vulcanized piece of rubber around on an artificial frozen pond. The game is fun to watch and I’m a homer fan. But “body of work” is a term reserved for people with real jobs. Lets cast this in a different light…
I know that Clavius the Bold is despised here in Carthage, but look at his body of work. He beheaded nine christians in one swing of his gladius! You have to respect that kind of work ethic.
Crosby is a guy who plays with a stick to the delight of the mob. And I hate him because he plays for Pittsburgh.
Right because a mass murder and a hockey player are totally comparable.
Do you think before you type? That was honestly one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen.
Being a hockey player is a real job. Just because you nor I have the skills needed to perform that job does not make it any less of a job. They perform a service and they are compensated for it. That is pretty much the text book definition of a job.
I can’t even continue this conversation with you because of the outlandish statements you are making. If you don’t like the game of hockey then why are you even here? Just go away.
Wait a sec here. I’m making outlandish statements? Sport is sport. Hockey cultivates an atmosphere of violence for the purpose of intimidation of other players on the ice. Personally, that’s something I quite enjoy about it! I’m not going to argue with you about the difference between the games of antiquity and current sports. People are people, the crowd/mob cheers the fight and the devastating hit, and they cheer because people love violence and it’s in our nature to enjoy it.
I found this funny though:
Being a hockey player is a real job. Just because you nor I have the skills needed to perform that job does not make it any less of a job. They perform a service and they are compensated for it. That is pretty much the text book definition of a job.
A garbage man is a “real” job because his business is that of protecting the health of the citizenry. Hockey/football/baseball/tennis/golf are not “real” jobs. They’re sports. You are right though, they do perform a service and that is the service of entertainment. Much the same way gladiators did in the arena.
And if you want to wax philosophical about what a job is, a job is anything that you get paid for. So by your definition, if the mass murderer got paid for all the killing, then he would be just as employed as a hockey player.
Me and my homerism are going to continue to hate on all other sports teams not residing in Philadelphia. Hate, Hate, Hate.
So then what makes being a professional athlete not a job?
Because it’s in the service of entertainment?
Or because only a select number of the population are fortunate enough to have the skill for that job?
When an athlete fills out their taxes they have to report their income. That would make it, a job.
Once again you are making ridiculous comparisons. If you are seriously going to try and make the argument that being a mass murder is a job because they could potentially be compensated for it, much like a hockey player is compensated for their job then I honestly can’t discuss this with you further. Clearly neither of us are going to agree.
I agree its a job but simply put its not hard work because most people in this world are forced to do something these guys get to simply choose where to go and get filthy rich doing so.
It’s not hard work? I’ve played hockey for a long time, and it’s fucking hard work day after day. It’s bullshit when people try to belittle what athletes do for a living. If you could do what they do, you would. But you can’t. You’re not talented enough. Noone would pay to watch you play hockey.
I work on fresh, smoldering hot asphalt everyday. But anybody off the street could do what I do. That’s why I don’t get paid 5.6 million a year to do it. If I was one of the few in this country that could perform that service, I would be compensated as such.
Look at golf. There are literally only 40 or 50 people in this world that can compete at the top level of that sport. That is why they get the money they do. If everyone could do it, they would get a pittance. It’s the very essence of supply and demand.
Everyone needs to stop bitching about what these athletes get paid, because as long as the demand of the public to see them perform is there, the price will go up.
by Vansteel on Apr 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But "body of work" is a term reserved for people with real jobs.
So then what makes being a professional athlete not a job?
Definition of Job – Noun, Paid position of regular employment.
Definition of Adjective, a word used to modify a noun. (ex. “real”)
You’re using what we call a “straw man” argument. You’re not attacking my argument directly (what constitutes a “real” job), you’re redefining my argument (what defines a “job”) and attacking that instead.
I’m not arguing with you, I made a quip and then you blew it out of proportion.
Giroux is the Anti-Crosby.
could you elaborate on that/
I don’t want to agree with you and I don’t care if you agree with me. You were being a troll just to be a troll when I was just kidding around. There is no discussion or argument here, only Zul.
Thats stupid, a job is a job, thats like saying someone is smarter just because they went to college which is bullshit.
Being a troll to be a troll…right…I suppose my 2300 + posts on this site doesn’t ruin your troll argument at all.
If you had just elaborated on what you said from the beginning none of this may have happened.
All I wanted to know is what you meant by the comment that Girioux is the anti Crosby. That could have meant any number of things which is why I asked you to elaborate. I was curious. You choose to ignore that.
Hockey derp
No, please, continue with your hurr derp durr analysis of my thought process.
I’ll be the first one to admit, Crosby’s a great player. Greatest? Sorry, but, no. Not even close.
Lastly, “follow one team and not a sport”? You fanboys crack me up.
“DURR YOU DISAGREE WIT ME TAHT MEANS UR HOKEY NOOB!!!!111ONEONE”
Yeah, never mind the fact I’ve interned under an AHL team and an NHL team with a journalism degree working with publicists and such in a state that’s about 2,000 miles away from the Flyers I know and love.
BUT I GUESS I FOLLOW ONE TEAM AND NOT HOKEY BECUZ IF I DID I WUD RELIZE DAT CROSBYZ IZ BESTTT OMGGGG LOLOL
Get over it.
Get over yourself, you are a joke.
I am not a fan boy, I don’t like Crosby, or the Pens, but he is the greatest player in the world. Maybe not the greatest player ever, he has a long way to go before that is even considered but currently, when you take into account the NHL, KHL, Swedish Elite leagues and the other leagues out there, Crosby is the best player among them.
Maybe I wouldn’t have to guess at what your thought process was if your post contained more than two block quotes and an lol…but I guess that’s what they teach in whatever journalism school you attended. Try articulating your point next time instead of trying to be a funny guy. Maybe then you will actually make some sense and allow others to have a discussion with you.
Why did this thing turn into a Crosby-ish discussion? It’s disturbing.
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