ECQF Game 3: Hockey Gods shine on thee; Flyers earn OT victory, 2-1 series lead over Devils
by Travis Hughes on Apr 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
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Early on in the first period, Dan Carcillo embellished on a phantom high stick, a play that was so blatantly obvious that it immediately embarrassed all of us. By the end of the night, however, he more than made up for the mistake.
Carbomb scored the game winner in overtime, smartly filling in the open side of Martin Brodeur's net while Mike Richards banged away at a loose puck on the opposite post. It squeaked across the crease to a wide-open Carcillo, who scored likely the easiest and biggest goal of his entire life. 3-2 Flyers win in the game, 2-1 Flyers lead in the series.
And boy, did they ever deserve this one. The Philadelphia Flyers out hustled and out worked the New Jersey Devils all night long, but especially in the third period, where they outshot NJ 12-3. Martin Brodeur was just too damn good in that frame, however, proving that yes, he is still a factor and yes, he can rob a game.
But the Flyers kept plugging away. They carried over the momentum from the third right into overtime, controlling the play from the outset in the extra session and ultimately forcing a David Clarkson interference penalty just a minute and 30 seconds in. Carcillo's goal wasn't a PP tally, but it was the possession on the power play and a late face off win in the offensive zone that led to it.
Maybe the interference call in OT was weak, and maybe the officiating on the whole were terrible. No, you know what? We can say with certainty that the officiating on the whole was terrible. On both sides. From the outset, the officials seemed to be calling the game tight, giving New Jersey four power plays in the first 10 minutes of the game. Then, suddenly, the roles were reversed, and the stripes seemed to be letting the teams play.
Nobody could get a feel for what the referees were doing -- and it showed, as the flow of the game was seriously disrupted throughout. It was really an absolute joke. Most of the Flyers penalties were warranted, though, and they were the result of just flat out lazy hockey. That needs to be corrected.
But if you're a Devils fan tonight, you have no reason to complain. Despite three extra power plays, New Jersey was out shot 34-18 in the game. The only reason the Devils weren't blown out of the water by the Flyers was the man between the pipes, Martin Brodeur.
The Flyers penalty killers all deserve a big blue ribbon tonight, as does the entire team. They had a giant wall to break down in Martin Brodeur, and with a ton of perseverance -- dare I say, relentlessness? -- they got the job done. Hard not to smile this evening, on our side.
After the jump, questions answered, video of Carcillo's OT winner and the comment of the night.
Questions with Answers
- Can the Flyers effectively get Kovalchuk off of his game... again? Zero shots in 27 minutes of ice time. You be the judge.
- Will Brian Boucher be excellent, as he has been all series? Boosh was solid, as expected, yet again.
- Can the Flyers force the Devils to take penalties again, and if so, can they score on the PP? Um, tough to answer this one tonight. They were 1 for 5 on the PP, but uh, everybody took penalties.
- Does Peter Laviolette get the defensive matchups he would like against the Devils big guns? Yes, the Flyers were very successful against Parise, Kovalchuk and Elias all night long.
- Martin Brodeur was much better in Game 2. Can the Flyers regain the edge against him? Despite the Flyers win, Brodeur was incredible. Would've been a lopsided score without him.
Comment of the Night
I love Carcillo’s surprised look!
"DID I JUST SCORE!"
>> flysrfrk05
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Good times. I did this poster when I was bored at work one day. Longing to someday design for the Flyers. Little did I know before the season was out I’d be on this site with a whole store full of designs!
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
That’s freakin’ awesome, man.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 18, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for fun...
http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2010/4/18/1429796/martin-brodeur-cant-do-it-by#35135511
Don’t respond there, just laugh here.
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I love how after he asserts that this series is fixed, he then says “The reasons why the series is fixed are to complex to explain in this comment but the bottom line is money!!!”
Translation: I’m frustrated that my team just lost a playoff game to a team that I perceive to be inferior. Therefore, rather than focus on my own team’s shortcomings or consider the many questionable, ticky-tack penalties called against the Flyers, I shall make a far-reaching conspiracy theory with no supporting evidence whatsoever. YAY JERSEY RULEZ
by ThinMountainAir on Apr 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone is having a hard time with the fact that their PP time was still higher than ours, and they didn’t convert. The officiating was terrible, but it’s not the ref’s doing that their 9+ million dollar sniper didn’t get one shot through in 11:18 of PP time. Or that on the GWG they chose to have a guy on Richie, a guy at an angle behind Richie and Gags to try to clear a rebound, and 2 guys covering Gags, but no one on Carcillo. They should know by now that Carcillo has enough skill that he shouldn’t be left alone in front of an open net while you have 2 men try to cover the guy who has beaten Brodeur too many times. We had 3 men in the crease and 4 men close enough to cover them. Even if the refs tried to fix the game for either team, that situation was not one the refs changed. The PP was over, and they had enough men there, and I mean right there. They weren’t far away, no, there were 4 at one post and 0 on the other. We call out our own boys when they let Boosh down. That dude needs to suck it up and admit that theirs’ let Brodeur down.
Look our game wasn’t perfect, and we were gassed for part of the 3rd from all that PK in the beginning.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 18, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I only had plots against the Eagles. Every time they lose a big game I say someone got paid. I guess Martin feels like me. ha ha ha.
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by Christopher A on Apr 19, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Great how he goes to conspiriacy, against the Flyers? What leagues does this guy watch games in? Don’t read the original blog and see how the guys says they should have won outright with 8 PP, just say the refs helped the Flyers. Bad officiating both ways tonight, Flyers got what they deserved most of the time, but the 180 degree turns the refs were doing is what I detest about this league. Can’t play when games are called like this.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s a real conspiracy, all right. The officiating was cruddy on both times. It’s like I said in the game thread, these guys had no agenda, they were just whistle-carrying morons on skates. They favored no one, were blind as bats, and called ticky tacky penalties on both sides, in addition to both calling and ignoring legitimate penalties.
Did Martin Brodeur stand on his head? Absolutely. Did the rest of the Devils sit on their asses? Absolutely. Ilya Kovalchuk had 0 shots on goal. The Devils had a combined 4 shots in the 3rd period and OT. Even if Brodeur did stand on his head, how can you look at the game as a whole and really believe the Devils, as a team, were the better team and deserved to win it this game? They were not. Through all the bad officiating, the team that played the better all-around hockey game, the Philadelphia Flyers, was the team that won this game. On that note, I can finish my 20-page paper in peace.
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Woops haha I already responded and encouraged him, as soon as he posted I got all fired up and started writing a response
by flyersfangiroux on Apr 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are all welcome. Flyers now 5-0 at games I have attended this year.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Apr 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Then it’s only fair to thank you…. Your good karma is paying dividends for us all.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Flyers have won the last 7 playoffs games I’ve been to at the Wach, a stat for which I am most grateful.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Lucky. I live in tampa and went a year ago and they lost that game. After the the break I was going to go to the game but had family issues do I sold them thought they would lose anyway. No they win 5 or 6- 2.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Apr 19, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If we can play at this level sans penalities (ref.’s whistle fetish tonight aside)…….I got schpilkes
Just noticed your avatar. That’s a phenomenal pair of movies.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 19, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Do elaborate, please.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you talking about over at In Lou We Trust? They call him “honorless” for some reason. Someone care to elaborate?
Started after game 2
In general, I felt this was a bit of a roller coaster of a game, largely in part to the Devils’ penalty troubles. Yes, tonight’s game did feature Chris Pronger holding Zach Parise’s stick after Parise actually checked Pronger pretty hard; and Mike Richards punching Parise in the head after a whistle during the Devils 4-on-3 power play in front of the ref without any kind of call.
Aside: I’m going to start calling Richards the Honorless Captain. He is without honor and it’s a shame because he’s so talented. He picked up two assists, he had 2 shots on net, played 24:40, drew Kovalchuk into a slashing minor (which the Flyers did little on the ensuing power play) and went 13 for 23 on faceoffs. He had a good night but my big takeaway from Game 2 was his cheapshots on Parise in the first period.
Reminds me of the signature “Proudly supporting a Flyers team with no honor…”
I know the conspiracy comment we ripped above was a commenter at the site and not Fischer himself, but I have lost a ton of respect for Fischer as a writer during this series. He was an over-reactive baby when it came to the debate of fans at the Prudential Center and he called Richards “honorless” because of ONE PLAY and ONE INCIDENT where he got carried a bit carried away and punched Parise late. If this was a pattern, then yeah, maybe I can understand it, but to call him honorless because of one play??? One bad play does not an honorless captain make. The guy lets his emotions dictate too much of what he writes and it poisons the mind of the commenters and the community where they who actually buy his Grade F bull excrement (Fischer should be familiar with those last 4 words….)
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Agreed.
I find it weird that he seemed so personally insulted and argumentative about the fan base, and weirder still that he’s apparently going to hold a life-long grudge against a guy because he once threw a punch. I mean, if it was a punch in the nuts from behind, that’d be one thing, but…come on, it’s a big boy sport, those things happen.
(Disclaimer: I actually missed the hit he’s referring to, but it was apparently such a non-event that I can’t find any mention of it on-line except in his posts.)
It was in the 1st period of Game 2. There was a dust up by the net with players colliding to the ground and Richards got in a late hit on Parise. Sure it was dirty and cheap, but is it fair to call a guy honorless because of one play and one play alone? Hell no.
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Wondering that myself, but he likes the Devils, so who knows how his strange mind works lol
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Brodeur was unconscious tonight. He’s still got it.
I was at the game tonight, and let me tell you, that game-winner would not have been possible in the Dead Puck Era of 1995-2004. One of the Devils would have been able to bear-hug Carcillo before he even got his stick on the puck, and the goal wouln’t have happened.
Of course, even during the Dead Puck Era someone would have had to pay attention to Dan Carcillo. They did not, and the Flyers got the well-deserved win.
And why are we saying that the Flyers need to commit fewer penalties? In each of the three games so far, the team with the majority of power plays per game has lost.
Game 1: NJD 0-for-5
Game 2: PHI 2-for-7 w/ 1 SHG against
Game 3: NJD 2-for-8
I’m kidding about not wanting the Flyers to be more disciplined, but it’s interesting that the winning team in each game has spent more time on the PK.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I think he still has it…some of it at least. Will be interesting to see how well he plays through the next two games. This seemed like an all out effort, and although he played incredible, he was still lucky a few times. I’m hoping he’s got maybe one more year left, then he gets out while still “on top”.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Audio:
Dan Carcillo OT goal (great call by Timmy)
Full OT powerplay (doesn’t quite have the same suspense as it did live, eh?)
Calls of the other four goals in the game from the third period intermission
Carcillo’s post-game interview on WIP plus some analysis from Timmy and Bundy
by Ben Feldman on Apr 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You rock.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else watching SJS-COL? Amazing how a series can have back to back 6-5 and 0-0 games.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 19, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
Shots 50-13. Holy crap.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 19, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing beats an afternoon/evening/night like this where there’s continuous great hockey.
by Ben Feldman on Apr 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, I’m watching too. Anderson has been unbelieeeeeevable.
Was my top choice as our goalie last offseason. Just saying, ya know.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh. My. God.
Funniest. OT. Ending. Ever.
L.O.L. Sharks.
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Boyle was trying a cross-ice pass or an outlet pass from the far right corner. O’Reilly got his stick on that pass and it went basically sideways between Nabokov and the post and in. At least that’s what I think happened… gonna need to watch that a lot of times probably to understand the incredibleness of it.
by Ben Feldman on Apr 19, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Dan Boyle tried to backhand it behind his own net around the boards and totally missed, ripped it by Nabokov, his own goalie.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 19, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
RIPPED IT BY HIM. haha
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 19, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why everyone is so surprised about the crappy officiating. Wasn’t Gary Bettman in attendance last night? That should explain everything.
Also, Richards, what a sh*tty captain. That guy is a total bum. I can’t believe that he’s in charge of this team. I mean, it’s not like he’s second in playoff scoring or being named as one of the top playoff performers in the VS. halftime reports…oh wait…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
dude, you need to let it go. Richards is in the same echelon as Crosby (so far this year) in what he has done for this team. He’s done everything except maybe save a goal.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying anything except this:
Also, Richards, what a sh*tty captain. That guy is a total bum. I can’t believe that he’s in charge of this team. I mean, it’s not like he’s second in playoff scoring or being named as one of the top playoff performers in the VS. halftime reports…oh wait…
is a complete logical fallacy.
it was also a post mocking you. Which given your last response is even more hysterical.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Pointing out that your “mocking” was a logical fallacy was “hysterical” ? Whatever gets you off….
I, for one, prefer to have intelligent discussions.
about how Randy Jones is more valuable to his team than Marc-Andre Fleury and Ryan Suter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did. :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to have intelligent discussions as well, but your blind hatred of Richards is hilarious and thus gives me a forum to mock you.
Also, your inability to admit that you are clearly mistaken also prevents you from having such discussions as well.
Maybe if you were to admit that perhaps you errored in your judgement occassionally, would garner you a measure of respect, but whatever gets you off….
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t give a fuck about strangers on the internet.
If you want to talk about hockey, now would be a great time to start.
I’ve talked hockey all season. I do it without obvious bias, unlike you.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Per The 700 Level
This is pretty cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik1nqJDiDNQ&feature=player_embedded
Holy crap, you can barely hear the music and/or Lou Nolan
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 19, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Krajicek and Parent each last saw the ice with eight and a half minutes to play in the third period.
I thought Krajicek played pretty damn good considering the bartulis/parent abortion that was Friday night. I thought bartulis should sit after game 1 and after game 3, i’m convinced that I was right. I know his numbers don’t say that, but after watching all 3 games in their entirety, last night was the first game that I didn’t see the 3rd pairing get completely overwhelmed when they were on the ice against Zubrus/Parise/somebody… I’m not saying the 3rd pairing was great, I’m just saying, at least they didn’t give me angina everytime they were on the ice.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, they were at least one time that I recall. Fortunately, the Flyers were able to clear it almost immediately and Lavy replaced them. For the most part, it was clear that Lavy was better able to play the matchups and keep them off the ice when Parise’s line was on. Obviously an advantage of having the last change.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
They were, but it was very, very, very short.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Lavy wanted (or at least got) Carter out against Kovy/Zajac/Langenbrunner. Richie’s line was matched against Zubrus/Elias/Parise
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The defense from my uneducated, un"corsi’’ed eye played much better last night. and they seemed to be at least somewhat comfortable out there. I thought it was superior to either game 1 or 2, but I attribute that mostly to Lavy getting the matchups he wanted.
Parent is the biggest liability in my mind and NJ always seems to be aware when he is on the ice and trys to take advantage of it.
Like I said, Krajicek played ok and he did have the one “hook” that saved a Devil breakaway (the devils got the make up call about 15 seconds later).
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The defense did play much better, and I also give Lavy a lot of the credit.
Parent spent most of the game against Rob Niedermayer, Mike Mottau, and Dean McAmmond. Same with Krajicek.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Both Krajicek and Parent were on the ice for 2 more Flyers shots than Devils shots, but not when you take into account missed shots.
Coburn’s Corsi is an abomination, but that’s because he was on the ice for 8 blocked Devils shots. Eight! The Flyers as a team blocked 13 (ES shots, of course), and Coburn was on the ice for 8! I’m shocked.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
And saved what would have been a Devils goal. He’s played well.
Krajicek was not half bad either. Parent is too easily overmatched.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
that’s what I see as well. When parent is on the ice, I look for #9, because NJ tries to get him out there immediately.
I don’t remember Parent looking this bad when he was an emergency fill in 2 seasons ago vs. Pittsburgh (wasn’t he?)
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He was, and at the time he was “serviceable.”
That’s great and all, but he can’t do any one thing particularly well. He’s mobile enough to stay with people along the boards and hopefully block their passing lanes. That’s it. He’s not strong enough to knock someone over; he doesn’t have any offensive ability to speak of. To paraphrase Darryl Reaugh from NHL 98, he’s just sorta vanilla. He’s a 3rd pair defenseman with a bad back.
I would think that, if you’re going to have a defensive defenseman, that defenseman should at least be strong enough to take someone out of the play. Parent cannot do this.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I wonder how much of his strength and lack thereof has to do with the back injury. Hard to hit the gym with back issues. If I remember correctly Parent was known to be a strong physical guy against the boards in juniors and when he was drafted, a Luke Richardson type of stay at home steady D-man. Also we he was called up he was playing with Kimmo who as we know can cover up many flaws.
problem is that he could be a huge liability if this team advances past this round. And from what I see, they have no other alternatives, as Bartulis hasn’t played particularly good or better.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I am cringing as I write this, but could we call up Syvret? I don’t necessarily think it’d be a good idea, I just don’t remember the roster rules for the playoffs well enough to be sure it’s even possible.
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I think it’d be a great idea.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
GVT says he would be an improvement. Even you said he’s our 5th best defenseman.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That play might get glossed over but, you could argue it saved the game. Coburn’s best play of the season for my money.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
And saved what would have been a Devils goal
When I saw the poor Corsi numbers for Coburn, thats all I thought about. Intangibles that Corsi can’t measure but more than likely had an effect on the game
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One good play doesn’t overcome the fact that Coburn was on the ice for 19 of the 40 shots the Devils attempted (Goals, Saves, Missed shots, and Blocked shots).
He made one great play that saved a goal. He should be commended for that. But he also was given plenty of opportunities to do so, since he couldn’t get out of his own end.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Coburn was also on the ice almost exclusively against one of the Devils two top lines while playing mostly with the Flyers most defensively slack line of Carters (according to my interpretation of the Corsi/Fenwick numbers, which might be wrong).
To me it looked like he had a pretty good game, at least compared to some of his others this year, but his numbers suffered due to all the penalties and playing a high amount of even strength time as Pronger and Timonen were resting up.
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He did have a tough assignment, I’ll give you that. He spent most of his time against Langenbrunner, Kovalchuk, and Zajac, which surely is a tougher draw.
As far as playing with the Carter line, you can’t always just look at the Corsi/Fenwick numbers and conclude that. It certainly points you in the right direction, but it is hardly accurate. Looking at the Shift Charts shows that he did spend most of his shifts with Carter (and, presumably, his linemates, I didn’t check that) but he had a few with Richards and at least one with Betts.
If you read the post I just put up, you’ll see that I went a lot softer on him than I was initially expecting. He was fine. No complaints. He suffered due to all the blocked shots he was on the ice for and two icing-induced D-zone draws.
As far as his even-strength ice time, he played 85 seconds more ES than Kimmo, and 17 seconds less ES than Pronger. I’m honestly surprised he played that much more ES than Kimmo, since they were partners.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He played 5min ES with Carle. Timonen and Pronger played 9min SH, and both played 30 mins on the night!
In my conclusion, Coburn played up to expectations of a second pair/3rd-4th defenseman. Can he keep it up?
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Ok, that makes sense.
I agree with your conclusion. Games like this are what he needs to be having.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That last sentence was just awful…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 19, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense haha. I guess the only thing is that his play throughout the regular season might be enough to keep his value low if he resigns. On the flip side, if he plays well in the playoffs and all other GMs see it and maybe weren’t paying as much attention during the regular season then he could be valuable regarding the picks we could get in compensation
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