Tuesday Morning Fly By: Game Four Tonight and Timonen Gets Credit
by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Last night's NHL scores... Capitals 5 - Canadiens 1 (WAS leads series 2-1); Bruins 2 - Sabres 1 (BOS leads series 2-1); Kings 5 - Canucks 3 (LA leads series 2-1)
- Previews of tonight's game: [NHL.com] [CSNPhilly] [In Lou We Trust]
- It isn't often that Kimmo Timonen gets the credit he deserves, so good for him. [DelcoTimes]
- Timonen and Chris Pronger get credit here: [CSNPhilly]
- The Flyers are waiting for their top players to score: [Daily News]
- So are the Devils: [Inquirer]
- Apparently, the Albany River Rats could be playing a couple games in Glens Falls. Odd, yes. [PostStar]
- A look at the Eastern Conference's possibilities for upsets. [Puck Prospectus]
- Lastly, if you don't listen to Preston & Steve, you should. Mike Richards was on the show Monday. Here's a picture: [NHLFlyers]
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haha, it’s all Shaun and my fault… The Corsi/Fenwick story spiraled into a love fest about Aaron Sorkin, went through the Lion King, A Goofy Movie, and all the way through to just about everything you could imagine.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind the lion king discussion.
Nobody does. Just don’t talk about mufasa’s death again. please.
I mind missing the Lion King discussion.
So, that means a good portion of us on here are 19-24? LK dominates our age group.
Pretty sure. There was a large discussion about everyone’s ages, but it was also midnight, so I think it’s safe to say the only people awake at that time AND on this site are that age group. Just like Conan’s viewership.
Hey! We should partner with Conan…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m truly sorry about that. I tried to make amends with the Kung Fu Panda story
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m truly sorry about that. I tried to make amends with the Kung Cup Fu Panda story
fixed that for ya, bud.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we got pretty sidetracked. Our shared love for thngs lead to some awesome discussion, wherein Geoff’s gf even spoke up on his, as she put it, “gay”-ness.
It also lead to the change in my tagline. I stand by it and I’m not ashamed.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still flattered by your tagline
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I forgot to add this to the post: We’re not recording the Radio show tonight, so it won’t be up tomorrow. It will be recorded tomorrow, up on Thursday.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
your gonna skip the Radio show to watch the Lion King in full aren’t you haha
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
You know I really want to…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
we should do a BSH audio commenrtary for it!
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, Viewing Party!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Richie's comeback to Lappy (from the Delco article on Timonen):
It all started after the game Sunday, when Laperriere said Richards has the "worst body in hockey," and compared it to that of Laperriere’s 8-year-old son.
Richards caught wind of it and made fun of Laperriere’s English during a radio interview Monday morning, saying nobody can understand Laperriere — whether he has his teeth in or not.
But Richards carried it over to post-practice.
When asked if he was starting to work on that 8-year-old frame, Richards said he told Laperriere that he learned when he was 16-years old that "you can’t bench press the puck into the net."
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
They complained that he punched Zach Parise(?) during a scrum. Once.
There’s something about NY/NJ fans and “Honor”. Not sure.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
didn’t Ilya Kolvachuk punch Richards during one of the games after the scrum?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure. But I found it hysterical that in the same paragraph they called Richards the “Honorless Captain”, they brushed off Kovalchuk’s two-handed slash to the back of his leg like it was nothing. Because, THAT isn’t honorless at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
YES, in Game 2. I was there and didn’t see the replay, but it also looked to me as if Richards stepped up to Kovalchuk and Ilya backed down. Not surprising, of course, but you know.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that’s what I remember to. It was certainly a cheap shot and I believe Richards then asked Ilya to drop the gloves at which point he skated away because he knew that he’s not a fighter and Richards would kick his ass, but whatever.
Personally, I found Boucher shoving Parise’s head into the ice during Game 3 to be much more agregious.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with goalies roughing it up. Brodeur’s been hacking at our guys all series long. In fact, I’d love to see Boucher get a little meaner in there.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Channel his inner-Hextall?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not that mean.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and hopefully with a better five-hole
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 20, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
How about his inner Garth Snow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruFpJVUVGII
Err… maybe not… For the record though, that was an AWESOME game.
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oh, i didn’t have a problem with it, I just found it more blatant than whatever Richards supposedly did.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes me laugh every time, that’s for sure.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you’ll have to excuse the intrusion, but i’ve been really curious about all the focus on whats going on over at in lou we trust the past week or so.
aren’t these both fan blogs? won’t we flyers fans naturally be outraged/disdainful/embittered by what they say over there? and vice versa? isn’t this why one doesn’t go to a devils bar to watch a flyers game?
seems like a lot of wasted energy.
I think it stems from last year’s playoffs where we actually participated in game threads with the folks from Pensburgh, Frank and I sent trash-talk-laden “letters” back and forth to each other throughout the series, etc. They were all very respectful and it was a generally awesome time. I think those of us who were there for that a year ago are kind of taken aback by the way ILWT has acted towards our site in this series.
Personally, I got ticked off because shots were taken at me from over there. Generally speaking, I really don’t care about what they have to say about our team — although I certainly enjoy the chance to read their perspective on things.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Very well said. Those “trash-talk letters” were awesome. Tongue-in-cheek stuff like that is awesome. Plus, I have a great deal of respect FrankD and Hooks, so I’m definitely nostalgic for a better time.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I like those guys at Pensblog. Generally, I find Pens fans to be {insert reference to female products here}, but those guys are definitely cool and they are one of the few blogs that I am also a member of.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Pensblog or Pensburgh? Two different cups of tea, there.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oh right, Pensburgh, the guys at Pensblog are…well, morons.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe some of their anger was fueled by our perception of their fans based on Game 1 and their lackluster showing at the Rock.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i followed that a bit – regardless of the truth of those statements or not, wouldn’t you expect a rival fanbase (bear in mind that those who spend time blogging on their team are probably fairly ardent) to react pretty violently to folks questioning their commitment to their club? while it seems travis was correct in his assessments, i can’t fault them for being defensive.
Not at all. I completely understand and would have reacted similarly – if Philly wasn’t obviously passionate. But there’s a difference between saying Travis is wrong and defending your team and what they did. Also, never did he say Devils fans aren’t passionate, just that there aren’t many of them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
certainly Geoff, but wouldn’t you say there is also a fine line between being passionate about your team, while being realistic vs. being a complete homer.
I mean, this is maybe a backhanded compliment, but there are certainly a fair number of “homer” Flyer fans around (i’ve been a part of a few sites), but here at least you guys seem to be rational about your assessments. Maybe I’m biased, but I also feel free to criticize the Flyers a fair bit, especially at HO.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, certainly. Every fanbase has “homers”. I’m a pretty big homer myself, but I also think (this is a generalization now) that Philly fans are a lot less susceptible to blind support because they’re so hard on their own players. Obviously, this could be just as unrealistic, but breaking realistic v. homer down into support v. criticism is probably not the best analysis.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t we all homers? I mean… GO FLYERS WOOOOOO
But right, it’s all about not being blind in your homerism.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends on the definition of homer. I love our guys, but I’m willing to admit none of them are the best at their position in the NHL (though [Assistant] Captain Elbows is close). I’ve known guys that were homerish enough to claim that Richie was the best forward in the NHL. I think he’s good, but not quite a Malkin or Ovechkin.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Well, certainly. That would be blind homerism to me. Unless of course someone doubts that Oskars isn’t winning the Norris this year. Cause then they’re just dumb.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I break it down more into hockey intelligence. If you actually KNOW something about the game, you come off less like a homer, which I think people respect more.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, ok. Got it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really buy that though. The guys from over at Japer’s come over here and usually admit to the reality of the situation (ie. that a lot of Caps fans at the moment are bandwagoners)
I also know a few bloggers from other teams and generally if you have a bit of hockey knowledge, you ditch the “kool-aid” act and are able to assess your teams strengths and weaknesses, rationally. This doesn’t seem to be the case in this situation.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i suppose i can agree – i thought travis’s attitude was FAR more tasteful than the guys with their names on the bottom of the page over at in lou we trust.
i’ll maintain that its tough to expect much more out of many commenters though – the line between “quantity of fans” and “quality of fans” is a fairly thin one when embroiled in a playoff battle.
Oh, yeah. Commenters are an entirely different breed. Even Pensburgh had more than a few that we didn’t get a long with. I’m specifically mentioning the relationship between the, I guess we’ll call them editorial staffs, of the opposing sites.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i’m talking about the editorial staffs. It’s pretty hard to be accountable for the “crazies” haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Devils fans have no right to talk about honor. Especially if they know anything about their team’s history. Scott Stevens and Claude Lemieux two extremely important players in that teams history were not really known for their honorable play. The Devils fans are just upset that there mostly American and European squad is having trouble competing with our Canadian dominated roster. Canadian’s live and die for Lord Stanley’s cup when it comes to playoff time they will literally put their bodies on the line for a chance at hockey immortality. There is a reason only 2 European Goalies, and 2 non-Canadian captains won the cup in the history of the NHL. Blame Canada.
ILWT just wrote a story asking where Langenbrunner has been the last few games.
http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2010/4/19/1431539/oh-captain-oh-captain-where-are
Which is interesting, because I was about to suggest we start calling him the Invisible Captain
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The upset potential is only at 30%. That surprises me. The fact that Boston has the best chance of an upset doesn’t surprise me at all.
I remember saying on BSH radio, that I didn’t think the Sabres would go far just because I didn’t think Miller would be able to steal a whole seven game series and Buffalo is seriously hurting right now in the injury department.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
That certainly surprised me too.
As far as Buf/Bos, Buffalo is in trouble now that Vanek is down.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
At the same time, Miller should be able to hold the league-worst offense down. Shouldn’t really have to steal the series. If Buffalo could score more than a goal or two per game, that series would be over.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
true, but Miller played out of his mind for the start of the season, so their seeding is probably higher than how good the actual team is. On the flip side, Boston has been plagued by injuries and inconsistent goaltending, so they are probably better than what their seeding indicates as well.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Kings had 5 defenseman play at least 20 minutes last night. Truly remarkable.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
Back-to-back games.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And they left Rob Scuderi on the ice?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Terry Murray is an idiot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Eagles question:
If the Redskins sign TO, can I openly root for them?
Yes.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I like McNabb. I like TO. I like this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/donovan-mcnabb-id-like-to-thank-the-ungrateful-ove,17235/
It’s a little harsh, though. I feel for McNabb, I do, but he’s not the first QB to experience this in Philly and he won’t be the last. Also, not all Philly fans expected him to be the hero every week. The people who loved him just got tired of defending him all the time (like me). It’s for the best that he’s moved on.
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Judging from the Facebook statuses of my friends over the past four or five years alone, ungrateful/over-expecting/oftentimes racist is more accurate than not. I really hate Eagles fans.
Well, as a proud Eagles fan myself, I can attest that there are a lot of very vocal bad apples—but we aren’t all bad. And Facebook is a fairly narcissitic activity, so it would stand to reason many of the posts there would be lots of sound and fury signifying nothing.
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To clarify
I am an Eagles fan, I just find my fellow fans too often indefensible.
True, but many people say that about Flyers fans as well, so I’m always careful not to paint any fanbase with too broad of a brushstroke since I have fights with a Pens fan I know all too often telling him he can’t put all the Philly fans/Flyers fans in one bucket like he so often does.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
No, the problem is my brushstroke is too narrow. As in, I’ve heard McNabb called racial slurs in casual company, to my face. This is problems I’ve never had with Flyers fans, whose worse quality is being barbaric.
There are obviously these types in every fan base. Maybe I just don’t like the ugly so close to home. But the general treatment of McNabb in this city (the calls for obviously inept backups, the complaints of him smiling on the field, accusations of laziness), despite his great play, seems both rotten and Danish.
Most of my friends don’t even follow sports, so I don’t really run into this type of boorish behaviour. It’s a shame, really, but like I said: those of us who remember when Jaws was QB remember that he had some pretty equally rough treatment (with many slurs to his Polish background IIRC)—of course, the element of racism in McNabb’s tenure is indefensible, but Philadelphia on the whole has had many issues with racism over the years and was one of the last to integrate in baseball. Boston might have us beaten, but Philly and Boston are both known to be very racially charged.
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I completely agree, and I think that no way excuses anyone. These same elements may (probably) be latent in Flyers fans. I just regard the McNabb thing as ugly, and casts a light over whether I want to associate myself with that.
And let’s be clear here: people were saying similar things about the Vick signing. As much as I love dogs (more than most humans), there’s an ocean of difference between the issues at stake here.
Well, I never wanted Vick signed, but it never had anything to do with race. It had everything to do with his lack of skill at this point in his career/being too far removed from the sport.
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I mentioned this yesterday, but finally the WSJ had a small blurb about the NHL playoffs. It’s been 49 years since the opening round of the playoffs has seen every series tied at 1-1 and it’s never happened since the NHL expanded their opening round to 8 series.
I’m surprised nobody has even commented on this fact.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
If by no one, you mean “no one in the non-hockey media,” how are you surprised by their coverage at this point?
No one, as in “no one at all,” everyone related to hockey has mentioned it. Every blog, every telecast, every sports website. (AP Style Change Alert! We can now use “website” instead of “Web site.” And there was much rejoicing…)
i haven’t really seen it in the mainstream hockey media either, but I guess I missed it.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I said something about it sort of, in last night’s thread.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you guys might like this. Spent about 5 min just doing up a small little hopeful image for tonight as we begin to bury NJ…and yes, that is Richards “O” face from his infamous drunk pictures.
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I think you should have photoshopped Richards head onto one of Lappy’s kid’s bodies.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I’m really bored in class, I decided to just do some random stat checking.
- Flyers are 7th among playoff teams with 7.5 goals/60 minutes of 5-on-4 play
- Flyers are 9th with 6.9 GA/60 minutes of 4-on-5 play
- Flyers are T-12th with 1.9 GF/60 minutes of 5-on-5 play
- Flyers are T-4th with 1.9 GA/60 minutes of 5-on-5 play
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