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If this plays out as expected, I will be severely disappointed if the fans at the Wac don’t give Washington the Manny treatment. (You took ster-oids)

by MarioD on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d much rather this not be true, but, I will do my best to get this started in section 124 if things do indeed play out the way they are looking like they will right now.

by DLJr on Apr 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the hazy, lazy days of “Too MANNY ’Roids…”

Can we make signs that say “Ovie is a Kenzo” too?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 22, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Roidvechkin nickname from the Puck Daddy comments.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Apr 22, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly is “as expected”? Are you assuming the Caps are guilty? Not a very lawyerly thing of you to do.

I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.

by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

“As expected” means that the Flyers and Caps play in the next round, since both teams are up 3-1.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes more sense, the steroid chant still doesn’t.

I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.

by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to the game tonight. Got a Carbomb sign, BOOSH letters for everyone to hold and I’ll be wearing my Hartnell wig. CSN better put us on TV!

Let’s Go Flyers!

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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I got some gloves we could throw on the ice for every one of Harnell’s shifts. =)

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by Sakurafire on Apr 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I grabbed a handful of those single serving packets of Jam and jelly for each goal we score

by Prometheus74 on Apr 22, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Boruk put it best yesterday. He said on Twitter that, with Kovalchuk’s playoff record, he’s not in the position to be guaranteeing anything.

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s won a playoff game before.

I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.

by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve hit a hole-in-one once, too. But it’s too rare for me to say I will do it again, on command.

by Snevik on Apr 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

perspective on the gagne/carter situation:

http://flyingp.blogspot.com/2010/04/finish-him.html

not saying the loss of these won’t hurt the flyers chances. it does. but the flyers have beaten the devils before without either one*

*flyers have not played the devils without both of them this year. still worth reading, tho’

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by psudrozz on Apr 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that’s a really good read.

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reading some of the comments on ILWT, some of the fans aren’t putting too much stock in this situation. The consensus seems to be that they’d feel more comfortable if Pronger and Timonen were out instead of Carter and Gagne.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

well naturally, Timo/Pronger are the keys to the bus.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

or the nuclear launch

by phish'n on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is kind of sad considering I would want to beat a team when they have all of their best players actually playing.

Can't think of something catchy to say here...I suck.

by EREX21 on Apr 22, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leino’s last really good game was against NJ, for what it’s worth.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else find it odd that after all 8 series went 1-1 at one point now we have all 4 series in the East at 3-1 and all of the series in the West at 2-2, except for Chicago/Nashville whom I still can not figure out why they are a game behind everyone. Though I am thinking Chicago wins tonight to keep it all kosher.

Can't think of something catchy to say here...I suck.

by EREX21 on Apr 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The Chicago/Nashville series started on Friday, rather Wednesday or Thursday like everyone else. Presumably so that game 5 could be on NBC on Saturday, rather than a less-likely game 6 (though it’s not less-likely now, Nashville is giving Chicago a good fight).

by qbist on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize they started a day later than they should have, I just have no idea why. Your scenario seems logical. But then I would think they will lose an off day come round 2. Especially now since it will take them a minimum of 6 games to advance.

Can't think of something catchy to say here...I suck.

by EREX21 on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s some weirdness with the weekend schedule, both the Caps/Habs and Sabres/Bruins series don’t play on either Saturday or Sunday. So they’re scheduled to have game 7 (if necessary) on Wednesday along with Chicago/Nashville’s game 7.

by qbist on Apr 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re a game behind because the Harlem Globetrotters were in town and using their arena, I believe. They better win tonight or all my friends in Chicago will probably kill themselves.

by ohnickels on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know he’s young, but Sbisa has made the NHL roster and been sent down twice. Why is he still the #15 prospect?

by thasmin on Apr 22, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Because he can speak 4 languages.

by halx on Apr 22, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, anyone want to go tonight? We might have two extras.

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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 22, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m gonna start driving from Chicago. Right. Now.

by Snevik on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get my usual array of not-game-related topics out of the way:

1) Jamgate in the Devils locker room: How much would you have paid to see this? What the hell is going on with that organization? Between Lou flipping out, Kovy’s baseless trash talk, Fat Marty’s playoff beard being shaved, calls for Lemaire to be fired, Parise oddly silent, Scott Stevens travelling with the team… I have no idea what’s happening in Newark, and neither do they. Tonight’s the night.

2) Ovie spraying the Montreal kid: Isn’t it adorable that he keeps waving the flag? If ovie slips, does he get charged with assault? Does he get extradited?

by Snevik on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Just read on twitter that Laliberte is playing on the first line with Richards and Carcillo.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

It can no longer be considered the first line.

Where is Leino?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 22, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

with Briere and Hartnell, other lines are the same.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking about it now, I’m actually kind of happy about this. Lavi isn’t messing with what has worked, just replacing the injured players on their lines. I don’t care if Gagne has more talent in his pinky finger than Laliberte has in his whole body, keep the guys together that are playing well together. The new additions will feed off the chemistry between the other guys.

That’s just my opinion.

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by Psy09 on Apr 22, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, as I said on Travis’ post, I actually like it. Laliberte has skill, he’s just nowhere near Gagne. That line doesn’t have to change how they do things at all. Carcillo’s still the guy who bangs in the corners, Richie is still the playmaker, and Laliberte will just have to rotate his job as needed: Be the forechecker, get the puck outta the corner, or take Richards’ pass.

Since this is what Lavy is doin, I’m glad they went Laliberte over Kalinski or Nodl.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, time to panic.

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48-28-19
21-36-22
45-11-14

If I had to guess. And wow do I hate those lines.

by Snevik on Apr 22, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know exactly how I feel about those lines. I wouldn’t mind them if Phantom and Leino switch spots, which if these stand, will probably happen during the game.

"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."

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by Psy09 on Apr 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t like this move or the lines, but at least those lines explain the Laliberte choice. I’d be happy to be proved wrong though.

by DLJr on Apr 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did You Notice?

It seems Blue Lou Lemonjello had a hissy fit at the Dev’s post-game the other night

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2010/04/politi_furious_lou_lamoriello.html

I wonder if he’s picking up the dry cleaning tab?

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Apr 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

The actual quote

was much more badass (if your a devils fan)

When I asked him today, Kovalchuk said he isn’t thinking about the fact that this could be his last game in a Devils sweater.

    “No. Because we’re going to win tomorrow,” he said.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The actual quote

was idiotic, given that his team is being badly outplayed.

by Snevik on Apr 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was outplayed

Each game’s a new game. I’m not expecting a win, but to say you’re just going to dominate is foolish.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe when he gets breakaways, he should just try and stop missing wide.

wait, nobody tell him that.

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by psudrozz on Apr 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: prospect ranking

I dispute a lot on this list, but it’s nice to see the Caps so well represented. I assume Varlamov is off because he’s played too many NHL games. Eakin probably deserves a look but it’s a competitive list for sure so I can’t complain too much. Carlson should be higher, Filatov and Hodgson should be lower. I just don’t see how Carlson falls that far below Pietrangelo. They have similar size and styles (though JC is more physical) and notwithstanding the WJC top-D award Carlson was just as good if not better in the WJC. Also, Carlson is the same age, a later bloomer, and further ahead on the curve than Pietrangelo is. Seems like the top of that list is very Canadian heavy after Filatov (and even after the top there are some over-valued CHL boys). Hodgson isn’t getting knocked enough for his injury holdups and Schenn is a nice player but he doesn’t have that same offensive upside as the other top prospects on that list. I also think De Haan was dreadful in the WJC (Canada basically benched him except on the PP) and is no way deserving of being that high.

I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.

by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I was surprised how low Neuvy was. Also, I noticed a few Brandon Wheat Kings on the list. Makes me curious.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me there looks to be a Canadian/CHL bias, but I’m a pessimistic kind of guy. Neuvirth definitely should be higher. How a goalie like Jake Allen (or really, almost any of them on this list) is ahead of him doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. He has an AHL Calder Cup MVP award. That’s gotta mean something right? At the very least it’s a higher achievement than any of the other goalies on that list can claim.

Brandon is hosting the Memorial Cup this year, right? Should be interesting to see how they do with all these elite prospects and the home crowd.

I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.

by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah they are. But they’re down 3-1 in the Conference Finals to Calgary right now.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calgary was the WHL powerhouse all season. Not much of a shock.

I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.

by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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