Your Flyers line combinations tonight... (shh, don't tell the Devils)
by Travis Hughes on Apr 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT
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Courtesy of Mr. John Boruk on Twitter, here are the apparent line combinations for the Flyers in tonight's Game 5.
Dan Carcillo - Mike Richards - David Laliberte
Scott Hartnell - Danny Briere - Ville Leino
James van Riemsdyk - Claude Giroux - Arron Asham
Darroll Powe - Blair Betts - Ian Laperriere
Briere moves back to center while the bottom two lines stay the same. What does everybody think?
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Wow. Wow.
When I said I expected Laliberte to get minutes, I didn’t expect him to get top-line minutes. Well, I’m sure it will be second-line minutes, but still. Hope his defense is solid.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
Given the way Richards and Carcillo have been playing, that first line could actually be serviceable.
Second line… Could be good in the offensive zone if Hartnell keeps the blind centering feeds to a minimum. God help them if they get trapped in their own end.
Bottom two lines are fine, as they’ve been fine all series long.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m praying for a few Asham lasers that go in and don’t ring off the post.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well, it’s not as if we could have any hope of some serious offensive output is there?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Serious questions:
1) Lets say Kovalchuk-Parise-Whoever ices the puck at the very beggining of a shift (which means Lavvy gets last change). What line do you want to send out?
2) If you’re Jacques Lemaire, is there a single line of forwards you hide the Kovalchuk/Parise line from?
3) If you’re Jacques Lemaire, is there a single line of forwards you hide your 4th line from?
1) Richards’
2) No, but I would prefer to send him out against Briere’s rather than Richie’s.
3) Briere’s.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
well, Kovy left Timo’s jock on the ice in the last game, so containing him shouldn’t fall to one player.
I’m not arguing that it isn’t a tough spot to be in. It certainly is. I am very aware of the fact that the biggest loss that Gagne and Carter is, is not by way of offensive output, but responsible defensive minutes in their own zone.
I just hope we trap the hell out of them tonight and somehow win 2-1 or 3-2.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As HO said, wingers don’t defend wingers. Wingers cover the point in the defensive zone. It’s not like Gagne covered Kovalchuk before he got hurt.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
In general, yes.
But Kovalchuk never really goes below the dots, so he does end up being covered by the winger.
Even then, if Kovy stays above the faceoff circle, if Laliberte can’t cover him, there are still at least 3 Flyers between him and Boucher. I don’t see how that’s a problem.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No team uses one man to cover Kovalchuk, and definitely not a winger. That’s not really a concern. Basically every team matches the D pairs no and makes sure the C helps out on the scoring wing. I’ve watched enough teams try to cover AO to understand how they try to cover Kovalchuk. And it won’t be by sticking Laliberte on an island.
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Actually, the Flyers do.
The center in the Flyers D zone is responsible for the slot, not the wing.
The only man who covers the half-board above the circle is the winger on that side.
The Flyers most certainly do not use a wing to cover AO.
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Because the defensemen are responsible for the wings.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you watch guys like AO and Kovalchuk carry the puck into the zone, it’s almost always the same thing.
Strong side D steps up and tries to limit space; center backchecks hard to keep them from pulling up and shooting; weak side D stays high in case they try to cut across the top of the zone (being on their off-wing, it’s a concern). The wing on that side of the ice is at most the 4th player responsible for those guys. In-zone coverage for the wings varies among the teams, but I’m not aware of a single hockey team at any level that employs the “wing on wing” defensive strategy in their own zone.
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Is that a pic long haired Hartnell falling down on the ice again
by Prometheus74 on Apr 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha +1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Honest Question:
With what we have, what lines would you ice Mario?
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I posted yesterday what I thought was best:
Hartnell-Richards-Carcillo
Giroux-Briere-Leino
Powe-Betts-Laperierre
JVR-Kalinski(by default as he’s the only center)-Asham
You’ve got three good lines that can play with anyone and one line to hide.
Whats posted as the lines creates four mediocre lines.
But Kalinski isn’t playing…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I meant with what we are icing, that means Laliberte.
Also, you moved Hartnell up to Richards line, and replaced him with Giroux.
Wouldn’t the Hartnell – Briere – Leino line be practically the same thing? Making them a good line?
Also the Powe – Betts – Lappy line is the exact same as what you just posted, which you are saying is a good line.
So this means we have 2 good lines, 2 decent lines that don’t necessarily need to be “hiden”.
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Hartnell-Richards-Carcillo will be a hard-nosed checking line. Thats the game the Flyers need to play tonight, not this silly “all our lines can score!” nonsense.
I agree that we need to play a hard hitting game, but moving Hartnell off that line for Giroux? Who’s the enforcer when Clarkson or Leblond come out and knocks off one of the little guy’s heads? Who on that line puts the heavy hitting down? It’s an uber talented line, but there is absolutely no grit to it.
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I agree that these lines are average, but with Laliberte in the lineup, what would you change. At first, I wasn’t particularly happy with the lines, but after I sat back and thought about it, I’m not as upset as I was initially. My other thought was:
Leino-Richards-Carcillo
Hartnell-Briere-Giroux
Asham-Betts-Laperieree
JVR-Powe-Laliberte
JvR-Powe-Laliberte would scare me in Newark. You could never put that line out for a faceoff, because they will see a scoring line put in against them. Yes, Powe’s gritty, but that line’s too weak defensively. In my opinion, Laliberte, Leino, Briere, and JvR need to be on four separate lines, to keep the defensive liabilities spread out and prevent NJ from focusing attention on a weak line. In Philly, I’d feel a bit differently, due to last line change.
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I agree, I also would not play them much. I would play these lines with the goal to end the series tonight. And with the 2 days of rest between game 5 and a potential game 6, I don’t have a problem with giving the top two lines a ton of ice time, along with the 3rd. The 4th line is basically there for bodies and whole fillers in my mind in this scenario, and would not see much ice time at all. Not saying that it would work, just my thought process; I’d rather have two strong lines, a solid checking line, then whole fillers, than 4 so-so lines.
Is Jared Ross a center? Didn’t he play some last year in the playoffs? I’m sorry, I’m not as up to date on our Phantom guys, but shouldn’t he be a consideration? I mean, he does have some playoff experience.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
For whatever reason (I don’t know what it is) he was not called up at the end of the Phantom’s season, which means he’s gone home for the summer already.
I see. I admit I don’t follow the phantoms too closely, but I seem to remember that he played fairly well, last season when he was inserted for the playoffs. Perhaps he stinks and I just don’t know it, but I thought he was a viable depth center.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t have as good a year as they were hoping he’d have. He had 46 points in 73 games. Last year, he had 69 points in 64 games. Also, the GM and Coach of the Phantoms were quoted questioning the team’s leadership, of which Ross was the Captain.
I’m pretty sure this was a message being sent to Ross that he won’t be rewarded for a poor season.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re jamming, jamming
And I hope you like jamming too
Ain’t no rules, ain’t no vow, we can do it anyhow
I and I will see you through,
’Cos every day we pay the price with a little sacrifice
Jamming till the jam is through.
Hey, Shane Victorino
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hope if we pull this off tonight with this lineup, they celebrate by blaring this song loud enough that Lou can hear it while he tosses more fruit preservatives past Marty and the D,oh boys
by Prometheus74 on Apr 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hartnell – Briere – Leino isn’t a scoring line?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well given that Briere just got on the board last game, Hartnell hasn’t done anything and Leino is less than a sure thing, no, that is not a scoring line.
They are completely wasting Giroux by putting him with JVR and Asham.
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I agree that Giroux is being wasted, but even if I had my lines, Hartnell – Briere – Leino would be together. That’s a line that can skate and put the puck in the net. Even if they haven’t been doing that, they are capable of doing it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Snevik, that is not a scoring line. Hartnell has been about as useful as Alexandre Daigle and Leino has to be rusty (and wasn’t Gordie Howe to begin with).
That line will, however, be a true test of Danny Briere’s abilities as a playmaker.
Nobody remembers who was picked second!
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Shit, it was Chris Pronger… That was a relatively good top 15 though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My first thought is – Ugh. Hopefully Laliberte doesn’t see much ice time, and they can rotate Giroux up to the top line to play with Richie throughout the game.
Calling it now, Lali gets a point tonight.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
Of course he’s going to get one point… on his way to eight goals.
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Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Mmmmm....pie
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I like those too. But I like those in Philly, not in NJ.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Give the whole team Giroux’s special grill cheeses.
Problem Solved.
by phish'n on Apr 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we are going to have to add bacon in them tonight
by Prometheus74 on Apr 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I think it’s at least worth mentioning that these could totally be a smoke screen. It is the playoffs, after all.
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Is lavvy even good at poker?
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Apr 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
can u even call a time out during poker?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Apr 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he insists on using the rollerblades tonight, despite pennys objections
by Prometheus74 on Apr 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well done nickels.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I am assuming that this reporting is based on how they skated at practice.
If they skated fake lines at practice that is absolutely assinine. These guys need to get as much time with their new linemates as possible.
right, also did you hear that gagne and carter aren’t really hurt? Marty and the Devils think they’ll be in the lineup tonight.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree… I just wouldn’t put it past them, that’s all.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question. I’m guessing the ones called on skate with the team? Or serve as human cones in drills?
They skate with the team, yeah.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The way the devils have been playing, we could roll with this as our top line and still squeak one out.
by Angrycoder on Apr 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think you can acquire those guys from Montreal after the trade deadline though.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bartulis > Laliberte?
How bout Bartulis on a forward line? He has at least two games playoff experience, proved to be an absolute dynamo in the Olympics, and he played offence in those same Olympics.
I think these might be the worst lines that we could have. At the same time, I think Pete Laviolette has more Stanley Cup rings than I do. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
The more I think about it, the more the lines make sense. He’s keeping chemistry-related adjustments to an absolute minimum this way. Two whole lines stay together, and two forward pairs stay together. And, seeing as how Briere had chemistry with Leino before, that could carry over.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Laliberte is the guy that really sticks out as a potential problem, but I’m not really sure there’s a better option with that group of 12. I think I would have stuck an actual NHL player on the top line, but that would make it much harder to roll three lines that might score. Stacking two lines is tempting, but probably not the best idea long run. Either way, you guys have 4 chances to get it right before heading into the meat grinder.
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