Friday Morning Fly By: Series Win, Lappy and Giroux Step Up
Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Last night's NHL scores... Flyers 3 - Devils 0 (PHI wins series 4-1); Blackhawks 3 - Predators 0 (series tied 2-2); Senators 4 - Penguins 3 (3OT) (PIT leads series 3-2); Sharks 5 - Avalanche 0 (SJ leads series 3-2)
- Recaps of last night's game: [BSH] [ILWT] [DelcoTimes] [CSNPhilly] [The700level] [Daily News] [Inquirer]
- Photos of last night's game: [BSH]
- Luckily, Ian Laperriere is ok. Photographic proof floated around after the game: [NHLFlyers]
- Says Laperriere: "Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots." [DelcoTimes]
- Video of the post-game interview, plus "I am lucky it wasn’t Prongs." [CSNPhilly]
- Some post game quotes: "It was surprisingly easy. Felt like they had already surrendered. They didn't have killer instinct. We expected them to compete harder." - Ville Leino [euroflyers]
- "We took it to them physically. It was demoralizing. They didn't want to play with us." - Dan Carcillo [ChrisBottaNHL]
- Brian Boucher went 10 years, 6 days between NHL playoff shutouts - second longest in history, four days short. [SanFilippo]
- Brian Boucher is Puck Daddy's first star of the night. BOOOOOOSH [PD]
- A great article on Claude Giroux, who's been asking for a bigger role on the team: [CSNPhilly]
- Joacim Eriksson signed a two-year contract to play in the SEL next year. This is a good move. [euroflyers] [BSH]
- The argument that the Flyers are finally playing like a team: [CSNPhilly]
- This is only the fourth time in Flyers history that they have held the opponent to under 10 goals in a 5 game series. Yeah, BOOOOOOOOSH. [Daily News]
- An interesting look at Martin Brodeur and Scott Stevens' playoff records: [Brodeur is a Fraud]
- What is Evgeni Nabokov worth? How about 2 years, $7 million? [Behind the Net]
- A look at the Calder finalists: [From The Rink]
- Funny quote from Dan Carcillo yesterday morning: "Doc [Halladay] was like a surgeon last night. Carved them up with a scalpel." [NHLFlyers]
- Gabe Desjardins responds to critics. Thought I'd share: [Behind The Net]
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Good Job Flyers
Good Luck In The Playoffs.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Apr 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for a great and exciting Series.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit, everytime any flyer went down or went to block a shot, I cringed a little. This was of course, before Lappy took the puck to the head.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Lost in all of the hullabaloo of our series win is this simple fact:
The Olympic Year Curse Is Dead.
1998: Lost 4-1 to Buffalo in Conference Quarterfinals
2002: Lost 4-1 to Ottawa in Conference Quarterfinals
2006: Lost 4-2 to Buffalo in Conference Quarterfinals
2010: Winz plz kthx
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
assuming it’s the Capitals, what’s your early thoughts?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. The Flyers will have to play like they did against NJ, which is all well and good but it could become a war of attrition. The last team standing might not have the juice to go much further.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
With any hope, the refs will call it a little less tightly as the Caps will be playing a more physical brand of hockey, too—unlike the Debbies.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Exactly my point. Ramped-up physicality + continued shot-blockery = war of attrition. Add extended minutes on the PK to that mix and it ain’t gonna be pretty.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah, whoever makes it out alive gets killed in next round.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
by the penguins…
puke
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No faith in (likely) Boston, eh?
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not as long as Gary’s penguins are still around.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont expect the penguins to last much longer
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Apr 23, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they can afford to take the amount of penalties they did against NJ. They are going to have to be much more disciplined.
We are going to have to complete eliminate AO and hope the rest of the team can’t beat us and then hope Varly melts down like he did against the Pens last season.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure that will work with Backstrom playing as well as he is. But I don’t see why Pronger and Timmonen’s great play won’t extend to next series as well.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on Apr 23, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a very good feeling about playing the Caps. Yes, they have a very strong offense. But kinda like NJ, they pretty much just have two strong scoring lines. The biggest difference is they don’t have a goalie or defense to speak of. If we play the same style of hockey, it should be a great series and we should be able to squeak away with it. I can’t wait!
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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Varlamov looked good in the last game I watched (I guess it was Game 4, didn’t watch every game of that series), but the optimistic side of me wants to agree with you here. Surely, Varlamov is no Brodeur, old or young.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. I think he will show flashes, but he is also the type of goalie that will usually let in at least one soft goal. And when he has a good offensive team flying in on him all the time (because of a sub par defense) he will get shaky, I hope.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
The Flyers will employ the same tactics they did the last time they played the Caps. Set their houses up by the net, crash the goalie early and often and make him feel uncomfortable. The trick is doing all of this and playing a fast, physical style without taking craploads of penalties. I’m not sure the Flyers can do this.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
All depends on how they call the series, I think.
An aside: for some reason, I’ve been going with the idea that the Caps power play was bad. I think I confused it with the Pens. Eeeeek, they were 25% on the year.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
problem is that if we thought this series was bad, it’s going to be 10 x’s worse against the Capitals. Half the game will probably be a special teams event.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
the caps defense is actually much better than they get credit for, although they haven’t exactly shut Montreal down in any of the games thus far. They’ve simply outscored them at will.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Boucher will without a doubt have to be our best player in order to have any shot at winning the series.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
That, and the defense has to continue building that wall around him.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the other day on DNL, they asked which goalie would you rather have: Brodeur or Boucher? Will all due respect to Boosh, I said hands-down, Brodeur. With this defense in front of him? Are you kidding me?
I love Boosh, but I’m not such a homer that I can’t see a lack of D and offensive cohesion is what the Debbies were lacking.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Caps fan here-
In all fairness we are not even close to NJ, either in style of play or in scoring prowess. Right now 3 of are lines are scoring and we have been winning games against Montreal without our PP. In all honesty, even though Boucher has been good, Boucher does not compare to Halak or Price and we have lit both goalies up like Christmas trees. With Both Carter and Gagne out for your next series do you honestly believe you can keep up with the depth that The Caps can throw at you?
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
why do you always start with “Caps fan here”, isn’t your sign in name a dead giveaway?
Just wondering.
Also
Philly Defense >>>>>>> Montreal Defense
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course it’s a dead give away but I’m just giving you a courtesy before you read everything only to find out after that I’m a caps fan.
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The Flyers have lit goaltenders like Price up, too. The Pens are a better team than the Devils, but struggled against them all season. Sometimes it’s a match up thing. In this case, the Flyers defense was too much for the dysfuctional Devils.
A lot can happen to the Caps between now and the next series that can affect their depth. This is the playoffs. In hockey, I really do believe anything can happen if you have luck on your side. The Flyers definitely won’t be the favorites nor would I make any sort of proclamations that they will win, but what kind of fans would we be if we just said, “That’s it; it’s over. Just give the wins to the Caps now?”
I mean, come on.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Of course this will not be an easy series by all means and it most likely will take all 7 games to win but in the end i feel the Caps should come out on top in the end based on our greater depth of nhl calber players.
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If the series goes 7 it favors the Flyers, despite what you feel about WSH’s depth.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How? We have home Ice advanatage and we also took Mike Knuble away from you.
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
because if it goes to game 7 anything can happen. Best of 1 game, one unlucky bounce etc. I’ll take it every time. In fact if you told me that the series would go 7 games, I’d be estatic.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Halak and Price may be better than Boucher but Boucher is playing better than both of them right now. That’s what matters.
And as it was said earlier, the Flyers a much better defense than Montreal if not the best defense of the Eastern Conference play off teams.
Can't think of something catchy to say here...I suck.
I didn’t actually think about that. The most likely teams to make the next round are Wash, Pitt, and Bos. Only Boston could have a chance at challenging the all around defense of the Flyers.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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You mean for best defense being played right now?
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
On paper and being played right now. I don’t see a team in the East with 3 D men who play as well as Prongs, K immo and Carle do. The other 3 are what they are. But I don’t see Pittsburgh, Washington or Boston having D’s that are better.
Can't think of something catchy to say here...I suck.
Ahhhhh ok… I see what you’re saying. That’s what confused me. You’re only discussing defensemen.
Boston’s team Defense is up there among the best in the league though. You need to take that into account.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
I like the Carle/Coburn pair OK. Krajicek and Parent are a problem. Any of the Caps lines will exploit them, so there’s no real way to protect them by getting them out there against stiffs.
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Boucher played better against the Devils than Price/Halak have played against the Caps.
We’re betting, or I’m betting, that Boucher will fare worse against the Caps than he did against the Devils.
If Boucher holds the Caps to 1.8 G/G, this thing is over.
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I will agree with HockeyOutsiders here. The Philly defense makes the Montreal defense look almost AHL quality, at least the top 4 (considering our bottom two pretty much are AHL players). That makes things a lot easier for a team that has the offensive ability that the Caps have. Once you take into consideration that Pronger is play near 30 min every game, and then you have Kimmo to help out, it really takes a lot away from an offensive team such as the Caps. Again, I’m not saying it’s going to be easy for either team, but I think our defense will be able to do some good things against your offense. Playoff Chris Pronger is not the same as Regular season Chris Pronger. Trust me.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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Like you were able to do in the regular season?
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Playoffs are a whole ‘nother animal. Regular season didn’t see Kimmo and Prongs on the ice for 30 minutes a piece.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Plus with all the confidence Boosh has right now, you can’t just count him out.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
No but you can’t compare how you will be able to stop the Caps offense to how you were able to stop NJ’s offense, either!
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
right, but you can’t assume WSH is going to roll like they are against Montreal now. Flyers are a much more physical team than Montreal is. It’s going to be a war out there.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed except that i think you’ll see how bad boucher really is in this series.
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, but we heard the same thing out of Devils fans to, a couple weeks ago.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful, that’s Geoff’s boy. That kind of talk could get you banned around these here parts. Also, I wouldn’t say the Caps goaltending is exactly their strength, either.
The Caps are the better team. On paper. But their game is to outscore everyone. As in other sports, good defenses beat good offenses. If the Flyers can stay out of the box some and withstand the pressure (and not incur any more major injuries), I think they can hang with the Caps. We shall see.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Boucher isn’t bad at all. He is what he is: A solid NHL-backup. If you put a good NHL defense in front of him, ask him to make routine saves, have the team limit chances and clear rebounds, he’ll look better than Martin Brodeur – which he’s already done.
And Varlamov is what he is – a young NHL goalie. If he can limit his mistakes, play sound positional hockey, and do exactly what the Flyers need to do in front of Boucher, he’ll be fine. But both goalies need the team in front of them to protect them. Whichever team does that best wins.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 23, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly, and if we can get to game 7, I like our chances.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We really shouldn’t forget that we don’t have a precedent for comparing the Caps vs Boosh when he’s playing well. Emery started all 4 games against the Caps this year, and the only time Boosh played the Caps was when he took over halfway through the December 8-2 disaster. In that game, Emery had already given up 5 goals before Boosh took over, it was only the 7th game Boosh even appeared in this season, and it was the first game after Stevens got fired. It’s very hard to infer anything at all from that situation.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 23, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t deny that you were very fortunate in drawing the devils in the first round. I also think it was a factor that you had there number all year long. The caps play a very different style compared to the devils; which i think had never been the same since they added kovelchoke. The caps will play looking for the fast transition and will jam the crease. Playing physical against the caps will only help them as they have become a very physical but without the gooning. We are very dominate in faceoffs and if we control the puck we control the flow of the game. The Caps players still have a bitter feeling from the lose they suffered against your hands 2 years ago, so i just can’t see them losing again. Oh, and we also have a big X-Factor in the name of Mike knuble (big reason we lost 2 years ago).
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s a much different defense than what Montreal has. Carter and Gagne being out does hurt the matchup some to be sure. But I think the teams play each other well and it should be a great series.
It’s a far cry beating the Habs defense to beating our defense. Especially the way the Flyers have been playing lately. Let’s hope for a better series than the last one! (And a Flyers win!)
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by Mike B on D on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Another Caps fan, so take this for what it's worth
You really can’t compare the Philly D to the Montreal D – Montreal has a decent top pair, but they’re old and they’ve worn down trying to chase the Caps, plus they have Markov. After that, it’s shaky. Philly is solid through their top 4.
One question I have is whether Pronger (and Timmonen to a lesser extent) can keep up good quality of play if they’re getting 30 minutes a night. Obviously it worked to a T against the Devils, but I expect Pronger to wear down playing those minutes against a team that will pressure him every shift.
I’m assuming that with Carter and Gagne out, the Flyers concentrated their scoring threats in a Briere – Richards – Hartnell line? I know Laliberte was penciled in to the top line, but I believe he saw very little ice time? I see that as a problem for the Flyers going through a series.
Looking forward to the series. Good luck.
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Other Cap fans need to take note.
This is how you have a valid discussion with fellow fans of another team.
Bravo daddyo.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
-Timonen/Pronger: Kimmo might wear down, but not after 5 games. Pronger has been doing it his entire playoff career with no ill effect.
-Richards is playing with Carcillo (and whoever they throw on that line). Hartnell and Briere are playing with Leino for now. Either way, we need both Briere and Richards at center, so they won’t see even strength time together.
Just had a look at the TOI report, and I expected huge numbers for the top guys, but it looks like with the exception of Laliberte Laviolette just rolled 4 lines and kept everybody’s ice time reasonable. I’ll guess that he double shifted Richards with the fourth line in the third?
The week of rest is nice for your D – I see they logged major minutes again last night.
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Pronger’s been doing it his whole career, not just playoffs. Except for the 2002-2003 season, when he only played five games, this is the first season he’s averaged under 26 minutes of ATOI, at 25:56. During the Cup run with Edmonton, he averaged 30:57 in ice time, with two games of over 45 minutes on ice.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I would say that having this week off, which is more time off than Pronger or Kimmo has had since last August (due to going to the Olympics) will be huge for them.
If the second round series were to go 6 or 7, and the Flyers won, I’ll be very worried about them in the Conference Finals.
But I don’t think they will have a problem in the second round due to this long break.
Err?
Did they have a full week off in like the third week of the season? I forget. But the point is relatively the same still.
October 11th through 23rd they only played two games: Friday and the following Thursday.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think Pronger NEEDS those minutes to play well. Look at his time with Anaheim and Edmonton. He prefers to be a big part. Kimmo has handled the minutes very well, and I think there is plenty of time between series to get him some rest.
Giroux and Carcillo are scoring too. Though I’d be more afraid of Giroux than Carbomb… Still you can see all 4 lines trying to get that puck in, which bodes well for secondary scoring.
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Giroux is a stud – would love to have him on the Caps.
Carcillo is a decent grinder – plays hard, hits, cares about winning – and any offense you get from that guy is a bonus. If he keeps his head screwed on straight, he’s an asset. If he flips out and takes penalties, he’s a liability.
The Flyers have gotten nicely balanced scoring against NJD. They’ll also get their goals against the Caps. The Caps blow on the PK, and they attack so hard that they leave themselves vulnerable. The main question is whether the Caps will score enough to take the series.
That’s going to come down to the PP (currently putrid, but too much explosiveness to stay down forever), some production from Alex Semin (no goals so far, but he’s notoriously streaky), and whether the Flyers D will stand up to or wilt under the pressure from the pressure of trying to keep up with the Caps speed and depth at the F positions.
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Interesting Quotes
From Carcillo and Leino—from my vantage point (on the couch), it certainly looked like the Devils had given up. I think there needs to be some wholesale changed in Newark this offseason.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
They’ve looked like that since Carcillo’s OT winner.
I said it last night: they’ve imploded. That team has to be broken up this offseason.
Kovalchuk doesn’t seem like the answer, either.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
everyone except maybe the devils know he isn’t resigning there. Let the speculation begin where he ends up. I have no idea who might have the potential cap room to sign him. Isn’t he looking for $8MM+?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what he’s looking for but I think his value deflated quite a bit because of his performance this offseason. He just doesn’t play well with others.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
Ah, like in baseball, there’ll be someone who overpays for him.
BTW, love you sig line. Sports commentary always reads like a bad porn. Funny stuff.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Columbus? $7.7MM in cap space this year, with Hejduk’s salary going down, Clark, Salei, and Foote all dropping off the roster…they could probably do it numbers-wise.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
He’s going to want to go to a good team with a solid fan base and sound financial footing.
Columbus has the solid fan base, but that’s it.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah, the Panthers have the funds there too, but I can’t see Ilya wanting any part of C-Bus or Florida.
How does Toronto’s cap situation look?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
13 players signed, 44.208 in cap hit. They’re still going to be paying Giggy $7MM, $24.3MM going to five defensemen, and only 9 forwards signed out of everyone they’ve had play this year, which includes the low-level guys like Nazem Khadri or Jay Rosehill. They’ll probably still be a joke until they can stop picking up overpaid players.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
actually, Colorado would be a pretty good place for him, if they can afford the price tag.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, above and beyond that. Kovy wasn’t really a part of this team. His bizarre guarantee for Game 5 wasn’t the sign of a leader in the locker, but a petulant, frustrated scorer.
I think they need to shake up the Parise/Zajac/Langenbrunner/Elias core, kind of how we thought the young core of our team needed some rearrangement. Those players now have three straight first round exits.
I think the writing is on the wall for Langenbrunner. Wasn’t he a bizarre healthy game scratch near the end of the season?
Problem with NJ is that every year they lose more promising guys, started with Niedermayer a few years back and has gone from there. Gomez, Gionta, Rafalski etc. etc. Trading Oduya for Kolvalchuk didn’t help, because they really weakened their defensive core.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to have Langenbrunner on my team. Problem is, the Flyers don’t need a center.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 23, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
On the same subject, Richards looked really tired last night too. Didn’t seem to have the same jump, but it was enough last night because like you said, the Devils looked like they had booked vacation plans for the weekend.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Your couch has served you well.
The Devils definitely need to go in a different direction.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
It has
Unfortunately, we are now in the process of selling our house and buying a new one, and so my house feels like I’m renting it. It’s been very stressful.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Lappy
To paraphrase Harry Kalas……… Ian Lapierre … you ARE the man!
by Pocono Flyers Fan on Apr 23, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
If every East series plays out like it should, Washington, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Boston might be the best four franchises ever to play in a conference semifinals.
What ??? Washington and Pittsburg are horrendous franchises they had decades of insignificant team and no fans, bankruptcy, and rumors of sale and relocation. For god sakes Pittsburg had to pay Super Mario with percentage ownership of the team. Philly, MTL, Boston, and Toronto would be are bigger final 4 in the EAST.
When was the last time that combination has won their first round matchup? Washington and PIttsburgh, despite my feelings on the quality of most of their fanbase (most, you Caps lurkers—chances are if you are coming on SBNation, you know or want to know a good deal about hockey), are riding HUGE swells of fans, and posting big numbers locally. I’d cycle Boston, Philly, Toronto, or Montreal to fill the other two spots.
Maybe I’m just happy to see that Carolina isn’t still around.
Brodeur
There is some speculation today that Brodeur might have to go this offseason. Just for giggles, if Brodeur is indeed traded, should the Flyers show interest.
He has 2 seasons left at 5.2MM.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, please
Although they should keep him away from Hartnell’s wife. Just kidding. Sort of.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I’d pass. That’s the exact same strategy they’ve been using since ‘96. I want them to keep to their word that they’re going to try and find a young goalie.
Although… Getting Brodeur for two years would be a pretty good placeholder for Riopel, Eriksson, De Serres, Morrison, whoever.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what I was thinking too (the part about getting Marty as a placeholder)
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the biggest problem is that Brodeur would never be traded in the division.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
true, but it’s interesting to read that Brodeur might actually be shipped away. I’ve never read that before.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If we get Brodeur that’s taking away at least 2 wins from us per season and he’d probably play even worse for us. No thanks.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 23, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Devils will never trade Brodeur the Greatest Goalie of All Time he is their entire franchise and trading him in division would be unheard of, he gets the Bobby Clarke lifetime contract. He had a great year played in 77 games which is ridiculous. I will say it again NJ needs to get more Canadians, you can’t win in the playoffs will Americans and Europeans they just can’t take their game the level they need too in the playoffs. DET Is the exception but their “Grind Line” all Canadian line played a really big role for them in their cup years.
not saying they will, but there is certainly chatter about it this morning and although you take it with a grain of salt, for the first time ever, there is talk of it.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense. This is probably the last off-season he has any real value. In summer 2011, he’ll only have a year on his contract and be another year older…
If some team like Washington or Chicago, teams built for right now in need of goaltending, wants to pay good value for him, you have to pull the trigger if you’re New Jersey.
The Caps almost certainly will not trade for a veteran G in the offseason. Due to their cap situation, they probably go into next season with Varlamov and Neuvirth sharing time, and get a vet at the trade deadline if they need one.
To clarify the cap situation, they have to sign Backstrom and Schultz, plus they need to acquire at least one center.
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One thing I don’t welcome going into the next round: increase in trash talk. It’s not something I particularly care for, and it just pisses me off.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
time to grow thick skin
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Or avoid the boards. Which is probably what I will do. Too much going on around here anyway; I barely have time to watch the games.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
But Caps fans are respectful. I don’t foresee nearly as much “trash-talk” as the Devils did, but definitely more calm disagreements. I’d much rather have Japers’ and Pensburgh over here than ILWT or PPP. No disrespect to those blogs, but the commenters are a lot better on the former.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Caps fans respectful?
Man they must all live in your area because the ones around here are far from respectful. Of course a lot of them are only Caps fans because they are Hershey Bears fans as well. Which tells you a lot about their fan base.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, those are certainly not my age, because when I lived in Central PA, the Bears were the Flyers farm team and that was Flyers country. I can’t ever go back there now, not that I was ever planning to anyway. When I have had to make business trips to Hershey, I am disgusted by all the Caps stuff. No offense to Caps fans, but I saw Hextall play GT for the Bears when I was but a wee lass! It’s just not right.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Yes I remember those days. It was great to live in this area and be able to see the Bears and wear a Flyers jersey to the game and not get food thrown at you like you do now.
The whole area around here is Caps, Caps, Caps even though not so long ago they were all Cheering “Lets Go Flyers”
It makes me sick.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes me sick, too. Although when I was out there recently, I saw a fair amount of Pens fans, too. Sort of sad all around.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Yep, the Pens fans are running rampant around here as well. More so with all the Crosby hype.
I went to a local Sport Memorabilia place at the Mall and asked about some Flyers merchandise and the Punk behind the counter actually laughed at me. He said “Don’t you know this is Pens Country”.
I then asked him to name some Pens players and the only ones he could name were the usual suspects, Crosby, Malkin, and Fluery. So I took my money elsewhere. His loss.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
YouTube Parody
For the “History Will Be Made” schtick. Check it out at 700level.com.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
by doubleh on Apr 23, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
awesome!
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played. Well Played. I love that the fist pump turns into him smackin’ the ball. That’s fantastic.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The flood begins...
A bit pre-emptive there, aren’t we Washington?
Please stretch out that series, for Gagne’s sake. Having Laliberte play in the second round of the playoffs embarrasses both teams.
Don’t you know the Caps are the greatest Franchise in Hockey History? They have been rocking the Red since 1902 and have 85 Stanley Cups! They have a great dedicated fan base and can name every player that has ever played for them.
I think I am going to run out and pick up the Best of DVD set tonight so I can watch all their great Cup Wins!
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Cup wins might not be the best thing for our franchise to bring up. I don’t think anyone around here is hanging their hat around something that happened before about half of us were born.
Two cups is better than no cups. No matter how long ago they were.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 23, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees Fans bring up their 27 RIngs all the Time. We got Two Cups the Caps have zero suck on that Caps fans. But I forgot the Caps fans think the NHL was started in 2004.
I think the fanbase argument is the only one which really applies here—wherein Caps fans heretofor did not exactly come out in droves to watch their team play (let’s call it the PO years—pre-Ovechkin). At least the Caps fans will come out and support their team throughout the playoffs, unlike some other fanbase we know (and just eliminated).
That place was a ghost town last night. Not quite as sparse as Turner Field, but pretty quiet.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
After reading all of those articles on Lappy, I’ve come to a conclusion. We need to win the cup for Lappy. I don’t know if he already has one, and I don’t care. He deserves hockey’s highest honor this year. I didn’t know, before reading these articles, he played every game for us this season, that’s ridiculous when you consider what kind of player he is. He’s really inspiring to watch and his contribution to our team is incalculable.
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I’ve watched the replay of the game twice now and the loudest the Rock got on tv was when Lappy got shot in the face. Yeah, and our captain is honorless. The clapping/cheering when he walked of were 80% Flyers fans 20% Devs, if that. Ridiculous.
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The stadium was 80% flyers fans.
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Not true. There were pockets of us all over but there was actually a lot of red.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 23, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not sure Lappy is okay.
He went blind for several minutes (unknown how many, Borak on CSN only knew that he regained his sight in the locker room).
I’m very concerned.
He’s fine, all things considered. He was talking to Coatsey on PGL and only said he couldn’t see due to all of the blood streaming down his face / the swelling due to the impact.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Can’t believe it’s taken him this long to finally commit to wearing a visor. I’m with Mario. I think he was hurt more than we thought, because he looked very visibly shaken last night even in the interview. Even if he’s OK physically, I do worry if this affects him at all on the ice. I know he’s tough, but he’s not impervious to doubt/shaken confidence.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I can believe it. Hockey players are stubborn as hell. I have friends who play for fun and they won’t wear a visor because it “hurts their vision.” It’s dumb, but even I can understand where they’re coming from.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything the visor (probably cage) won’t affect him at all. Lappy could lose a limb an he’d still play hard
by SkookFlyerfan on Apr 23, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, that interview happened what, a half hour after it happened? Anyone would still be shaken up. I read in one of the Flyers blogs that show up in my rss reader (the courier post maybe?) that he might have broken his brow bone and need a plate put in, though. That dude has been playing balls-out hockey for 15 years, he’ll bounce back until he dies.
That close to his eye? Yeah, I’m sure he was shaken at least a little bit. Not only does that area bleed quite a bit, but he came seriously close to loosing an eye there.
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Bosh was scared half to death when he got the puck stuck in mask back in 2000, wasn’t he? And it never made contact with his eye, just really really frighteningly close. I think I remember him saying something like he thought he went blind for a second until he realized the black puck was just obscuring his vision. There’s no way you don’t get spooked by something like that.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 23, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimmo was fine after blocking that shot in Game 5 of the Montreal series, until a few days later they revealed his foot was broken.
We’ve had perfectly legitimate discussions about the extent of the injuries to Carter and Gagne, I’m just saying that we need to keep that in mind re: Lappy, too.
Because going blind is pretty fucking scary. (not a comment on how he’ll play when he returns.)
Could that have been due to the swelling and the blood though? His eye very well could’ve just been swollen shut.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 23, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Borak’s report (not sure what it was on, it was him standing in the benches in an empty post-game arena while the crew was cleaning up the seats) was that he immediately went blind.
I think it would take at last 30 seconds to swell up enough to render him blind.
My impression, and maybe we can get this clarified, was that it was a neurological, not physiological, blindness. (Those terms may be used entirely inaccurately, but I think you understand what I mean?)
From my personal experience, in a high school physics class a few years ago, we were launching golf balls with trebuchets in the gymnasium. Naturally one of those golf balls ended up hitting me underneath the eye. Even though the cut was underneath the eye near the top of my cheekbone, my eye was instantly forced shut and it felt like I might be blind in that eye.
There was minimal bleeding, I only needed some invisible stitch technology (honestly I forget what it was called), and obviously, it was nowhere near as serious or as bad as Laperriere’s puck shot, but to the extent that you go blind after a shot like that and end up being okay a few days later, is a possibility. After the initial blindness and a few days of swellingness causing my eye to be half-shut, I was 100%, good as new, except for the fact that if you look real closely, you can still see the scar under my eye.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor."
i play goal in soccer and have been hit numerous times in the face with shots playing indoor. and on a few occasions i’ve had the “instant blindness”, which almost has the same feeling as being close to knocked out(been done that road a few times as well). sometimes it would last for a few seconds and others it would take up to 15 mins or so to regain sight in that eye, having to ask if my eye was swollen shut or if i just couldn’t see. it was never the swelling and always a very scary situation.
Yeah, I like two teams, get over it!
No, I have absolutely no clue what I would do if they meet in the finals!
Go Flyers and Hawks!
It’s happened to me, too. I’ve temporarily lost total vision in one eye from concussions and migraines in the past.
While not the only possibilities, temporary blindness can sometimes be a symptom of a concussion, or I think it can happen just from blunt force trauma to the eye area. /knocks on wood
If he got his vision back relatively fast, that’s somewhat promising. As long as the Flyers get it checked out really thoroughly, temporary vision loss does notautomatically guarantee major damage to the eye. It’s also not completely unheard of for the body to react to impact by shutting down the area of the injury. I’m not guaranteeing he’s okay either, not by any means, but I’m sure he’s going to get it checked out really well, so I’m not inclined to panic just yet. Now once I start hearing scary media-spin from Homer, then I’ll worry.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the second round start as soon as our conference is done with the first, or do we wait for the West?
Congrats
From a very sad and bitter devils fan.
You guys were better, no way around it.
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Thank you. One thing that I was very surprised at last night was the amount of Devils fans that came up to our group of 11 Flyers fans and said “Congrats, your team deserved it. Good luck with Washington” (Note: only about half the time that last part was sarcastic…seems about right, haha)
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 23, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel obliged
I hate people who aren’t sportsman like, so I’d feel like a hypocrite if I didn’t.
As much as it kills me to say the words that the Flyers are bet…
well you get the idea.
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Completely understand!
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 23, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know know if anyone has seen this and I thought it seemed like it should be in the Fly By. A story on Boucher from fearthefin.com
http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/4/23/1438660/brian-boucher-leads-flyers-to#storyjump
Great, great article. Thanks for sharing.
Good to see all the commenters with positive words for him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 23, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And they did admit those shirts were orange, which I think came up in discussion last night, didn’t it?
To hear than guys over at Fear the Fin be happy for him was awesome. I hope Boosh gets wind of that somehow.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 23, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

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