Game 79, Preview and Game Thread: Detroit Red Wings at Philadelphia Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT
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PrintDetroit Red Wings at Philadelphia Flyers, Apr 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT
#6 Detroit Red Wings (41-23-14, 96 pts) at #8 Philadelphia Flyers (38-34-6, 82 pts)
Wachovia Center - 12:30 PM ET - Philadelphia, PA
TV: NBC HD, TSN, RIS
Radio: 610 WIP, XM 205
This is the open game thread.
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Well, here we are. Four games left, and the Flyers likely have to win all of them to get into the postseason. But somehow, despite this ridiculous collapse that we're in the midst of, the orange and black still hold their own fate. They still control what happens the rest of the season. Four wins and they're in. Anything less, and we might have to start looking elsewhere.
We called Friday night's game against Montreal the biggest of the season. From here on out, they're all the biggest games of the season, beginning today at home against the red hot Detroit Red Wings. We're aware of the situation today and the team better be as well. Quite honestly, it's sad that I sit here on the second to last Sunday of the season, the playoffs in question, feeling the urge to write "they need to come out on fire and take control from the start."
It's pathetic that we can't trust them to do that at this point, but that's just a microcosm of the season -- the last several seasons, really. But hey, you know what? As I wrote the other night, this late in the year, what's the point of getting down on them? It is what it is, right? We might as well cheer them on and hope for the best.
We tend to look at the opponent and see DETROIT and get nervous right away, but yes, while the Flyers have struggled mightily in recent (more than that, really) years in the Motor City, they haven't lost to the Wings in Philly since 1996. Postseason notwithstanding, of course. The last win came during The Season That Shall Not Be Named, a 6-1 win, and probably the best point of that year.
The Flyers can beat the Wings today. Let's just hope they want it enough.
After the jump, lineups, questions to answer and our in-game discussion.
Flyers Line Combinations
van Riemsdyk – Richards – Giroux
Gagne – Briere – Leino
Hartnell – Powe – Asham
Carcillo – Laperriere – Betts
Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Krajicek
Parent - Coburn
Detroit Line Combinations
Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Filppula
Williams - Miller - Draper
Meech - Helm - Eaves
Lidstrom - Rafalski
Kronwall - Stuart
Ericsson - Lilja
Starting Goaltenders
Questions to Answer
- Chris Osgood hasn't played in two months. Does this create a weakness the Flyers can take advantage of?
- How does Ville Leino play against the team that threw him away?
- Can the Flyers show the same intensity all game today as they did in the second half against MTL -- really, the last five periods dating back to the NYI game?
- Do the Flyers control their playoff destiny by the end of the game today?
12:30 start time on NBC. Join us here for the conversation, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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We can lose because the Red Wings are playing great hockey and are something like 10-0-2 in their last 12 games
Quit living in the past =P. On a side note, you’d really think NBC would provide some kind of pregame show instead of these crappy infomercials.
Judge Judy is on the NBC affiliate in Atlantic City!
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Carbomb is mic’d up today.
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This is going to be funny
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- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
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dear flyers:
do not embaress yourselves on national TV.
please and thank you
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
God Bless America today. It’s basically the playoffs now, guys.
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YOU CANT SUSPEND ME!
1-0!
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That was awesome. Keep it up, boys.
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I’m really enjoying this game so far.
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Indeed. And for once, we have one of our players being talked about nonstop by an announcer. Mike Richards played for Team Canada in the World Juniors. Therefore, Pierre McGuire loves Mike Richards.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
He’s always loved Mike Richards, but we have Eddie O to balance out the Flyers love.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
31-9-6 when scoring first.
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Hell yes Flyers!
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I could deal with watching this team the rest of the year.
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Yes sir.
Well, technically they only need to beat NYR twice next weekend. They could theoretically lose today and Tuesday.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Carle’s gotta take him out there.
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Are you kidding me? He didn’t even have a fucking chance.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I know he is loved around here but we have no shot with him in goal
by EaglesFanatic80 on Apr 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if he’s loved… I just tend to be realistic. If the team plays like they can in front of him, you don’t need a Vezina winner.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Two terrible bounces, nothing you can really do there.
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Biggest problem: Cleary making Pronger look like a pylon.
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Oy, just got here. It sounds from your comments like they came out well….. did the energy fall off or is the effort still there?
Still there… two rough Detroit goals. Bad defense on the first, lucky bounce on the second.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
first goal was a defense problem, boucher didn’t have much a chance, they aren’t clearing the front of the net out well thus far the second boucher didn’t really see, defense left helm all alone.
Bah, again?
Thanks for the help guys, I didn’t intend to miss the first period.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
whover did the NHL’s “history will be made” commercials did a darn good job. i really enjoy watching those.
the honda “hockey parent” commercials are pretty good hockey-based commercials too.
I actually thought the Wal-mart commercial about the mom taking her daughter shopping for ice hockey equipment was really cute too. Maybe it’s because I’m a girl so I’m all for more girls starting to play, but it was pretty tastefully done imo.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a cute commercial, but there’s the part toward the end where she’s walking out to the ice on a solid floor without skate guards on. Makes me cringe.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It was on during the Olympics, I saw it during both women’s and men’s games.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tgcq4U1JTY
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I think most commercials get one detail wrong, so I let that slide in the grand scheme of the message.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not reading this thread because I’m on DVR only at the 10 minute commercial break of the first period, but I wanted to point this out:
1) The Flyers finally abandoned the forechecking nonsense. They’re sending one man in and trapping in the neutral zone, like they should’ve been doing all year long. That’s exactly what led to Carcillo’s goal.
2) They’ve abandoned the 3rd d-pairing. It’s Parent and Krajicek and they’re basically getting no ice time.
Agreed, but I didn’t see it so I can’t comment on the quality of those shots….. Silly me, I grabbed the pocket schedule on my desk instead of coming here to check the game time, and completely forgot that it was the NBC game this week. Oops.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Unrelated note
We’re keeping Car Bomb around for next season, right? I thought he as a FA, but I want to get a customized tshirt w/ “Car Bomb” #13 on the back, but I want him around. Don’t think I’m making this purchase until next week(end) though.
No playoffs = No $$$$ from me
I agree! Some people dislike him, but I enjoy the heck out of watching him play. Love his tenacity and effort and toughness.
He is an RFA, but I would think he would be on Homer’s “keep” list.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just imagine if Upshall was here still. Put him on a line with Carcillo, two guys with tons of heart and energy but two different types of player, it’d be interesting.
Alright!!!!!!!!!!!!
About time Giroux gets on the scoresheet.
GIROUX! wooo
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So I just got home. Listened to first period on radio. Did we collapse or did Detroit overpower?
"Good night. Good hockey."
Neither. Lucky goal, bad defense on another. We didn’t collapse though.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool. Thank you.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he didn’t say he was “sucking dirty pond water”…..yet
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
3 goals on 4 scoring chances. At least we’re cashing in. I’ll sure as heck take it.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
We’re trying to fix our percentages from all those shots and chances against Montreal, I guess
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah everyone laughed at me when I suggested Halak as a goalie the flyers should target, then he gets back to back shutouts.
Can’t speak for them, but it’s possible some laughed at the notion of Montreal letting Halak go at all
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They would be dumb to let him go and keep Price, Price is overrated, Halak is a RFA this offseason I think.
Just getting home and the stats are pointing to Boucher having a good game so far. Seem to be getting out played and we are leading?
Just Call Me "M"!
Pierre
I love having PIerre MacGuire doing games. In case anyone missing anything that’s completely obvious, he’s there to make sure to point it out.
And pronounce names of European players the douchey way, don’t forget that.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
How bad were they at getting the players’ names right in the first period?
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t see the first, was it terrible? Earlier I think Doc called Giroux Johan Franzen and I was like “not even close Doc, not even close”
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I just remember the Pittsburgh game where they got Briere and Giroux mixed up for the entire game, and having 3 different defensemen with a 5 in their number threw them off completely
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s getting old. Might be time to take him behind the shed soon.
Pierre: C’mon Doc, let’s go. sad face
Edzo: No, Pierre. He’s my dog…I’ll do it.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Do my eyes deceive me? they look like they have a rocket up their ass
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Apr 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
I hate when they fail to convert on so many chances in a row. It usually ends with the old coulda, woulda shoulda.
Just Call Me "M"!
"Flyers lead by an egg" ???????
Really, Doc.
I was trying to convince myself that I heard that wrong, but I guess not
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it seem like theyre inspired?
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Apr 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
They better be!!!!!!!
They’re fighting for their playoff lives. If that isn’t “inspiring” then they all need to check they’re pulses.
It was a high stick when he turned around that got called, not the elbow.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The first detroit goal came from the forwards setting up too far away from the D. Instead of trapping just to the neutral zonee side fo the blue line, they were just inside of the O-zone side, which is how the gap opened up between them and the Dmen. Thats just a product of adjusting to the system change.
Second goal I’m not sure how Pronger got beat, but I guess he’s allowed to have that happen once a season. Bouch actually played the shot well, he covered up the part of the net the Red Wing could shoot at. With the two or three bodies in the crease, he couldn’t take the pure angle, so he used the bodies as a wall (like in soccer) and guarded the open shooting lane. The Red Wing miraculously got the shot through the tangle of bodies. Nothing you can do different there.
z
ASHAM!! 4-2!
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WOW, what a pass by Kimmo!
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Timonen’s been absolutely solid just about every game this year. He’s absolutely fun to watch on defense and such a rock solid presence back there.
I wish he got more appreciation than he does, honestly.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Kimmo’s a better Dman than Prongs actually. In the 2008 ECF, if Kimmo didn’t get hurt, I believe that would have been a completely different series.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
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Coburn not getting hit in the eye might have helped too. But I was all for Kimmo getting the C after that, I was downright shocked when he didn’t.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimmo got screwed by the youth movement. Bunch of teams were naming young captains (Cindy, Toews, Nash) and the Flyers didn’t want to be left out even though Richards himself thought he was too young and not ready to be a captain. But that’s just water under the bridge now.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
twitter: @princessblueezy
He’s just one of those guys that plays well every single game. Nothing fance, just does his job and plays his position among the best in the league. Wouldn’t mind seeing some more out of him on the PP, but he’s such a good player that it’s unreal.
WHHHHEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
The Fulton Reed lookalike gets a tally! Nice!
1 out of 5.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Who’s Dean Portman? Betts?
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But Asham has an uncanny resemblance, in the face, to Fulton Reed. My wife and I chuckle about that every game we watch.
Oh yeah, I can see it.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Rothenbooster!
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, boxscore got updated, it was charging. I guess an argument could be made for that one.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What a terrible fucking penalty call.
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This boarding/hitting nonsense over the past few weeks is just getting ridiculous. I’m all for keeping it clean and guys not taking cheap shots, but c’mon.
But it doesn’t have to be dirty to still be a penalty, I think we’re so worked up about the bad hits that we forget that sometimes… An argument could be made for that to be a penalty, but they’ve got to be more consistent
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I just think they’re overcompensating with the penalties lately b/c of all the headshots & blindside hits. Hopefully, the calls will level out and become more consistent over the course of time. It’ll be interesting to watch how they call them in the playoffs though, when the effects of penalties are multiplied.
Yeah, I agree, the playoffs will be interesting. I wish I was recording the game so I could see how far of a distance Lappy traveled (and then I’d know for sure whether or not the penalty call was overzealous), but at least they aren’t falsely accusing him of intent to injure or anything crazy.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, just like the hit Jones had on Bergeron, yes he should of pulled up but Bergeron stuck his ass out and put his head in a vulnerable position near the boards so it was a lot of Bergerons own doing, hits like that and the one Richards had on Booth should be avoided but by rule neither were illegal hits in my opinion.
Hey man, try using the reply tool a little more.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Even the clowns at NBC say that wasn't a penalty!
Even numbnuts Milbury knows that wasn’t a penalty!!!!
Milbury has actaully made a lot of sense today. It’s scaring me.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
Haha, this is funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gKmQ6Hrro
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Hahahaha that was awesome!
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Good neutral zone passing by detroit and a shot by Zetterberg that handcuffed Boosh.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a little of Carter’s too. haha
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
In what way, M?
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Intensity, imo.
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And level of nervousness for us. I mean, if the Red Wings come back and win this game, will there be any doubt that the Flyers are not making the post-season this year?
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
I’m so nervous right now.
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Bad timing, Carbomb.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
twitter: @princessblueezy
@AnthonySan37
After that goal, we can all anticipate some sphincter tightening taking place by the boys in orange.
"Good night. Good hockey."
How Carcillo isn’t going off with twice the penalty minutes is clearly amazing to me.
Just Call Me "M"!
Yeah, that was just not smart.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahah
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 4, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Nick Lidstrom's ass taste?
Just ask Doc. “Strangely like octopus”
"Good night. Good hockey."
Hahahahahahahaah……Wonder how Doc would compare it to Crosby’s? Or Malkin’s? Or Ovechkin’s, for that matter?
Crosby = baby powder
Malkin = baklava
Ovi = ham
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but he looked to be the only one who really saw it there and there were 3 flyers on that side. Pretty safe for the circumstances.
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t take this shit.
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I’m hungry but I refuse to eat until this game is over.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
twitter: @princessblueezy
Don’t want to risk losing your (late) lunch?
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
OH THANK JEBUS
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The best part?
i get to turn of NBC now!
"Good night. Good hockey."
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 4, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Amen, to that. Kicker is that one of our most important games of the season will be on NBC against the Rangers and we’ll have to stomach those jokesters.
is next sunday flyers rangers game of the week
by MadmanSamCarcillo on Apr 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They advertised it as Capitals-Bruins, but at this rate, you would think they would want Flyers-Rangers. Can they flex out of it?
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that would interfere with the bsh roller hockey game
by MadmanSamCarcillo on Apr 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston may still be fighting for their playoff life too, so our may not necessarily be a bigger game.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 4, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I will take it. We win out, it’’ be a good start to the playoffs
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
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