Leino out versus Rangers; Is Peter Laviolette making the same mistake twice?
by Travis Hughes on Apr 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
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PrintThe Flyers lost to the New York Rangers back on March 14 mostly due to a pest named Sean Avery. He baited the orange and black into dumb penalties and made them pay with timely offense. Here's what we wrote in our game recap that day.
Avery drew two penalties, scored two goals and was a plus two. On each of his 19 shifts, he genuinely pissed off the Flyers. He got under their skin. He pulled a Sean Avery, and the orange and black gave in. Scott Hartnell dropped his gloves and looked goofy when Avery kept his firmly on his hands. Braydon Coburn took a penalty late in the third thanks to the impetus, Avery. Dan Carcillo was visibly bothered by Avery as well.
He did his job and the Flyers couldn't keep cool. He was the difference, and for a Flyers team in the position that they're currently in, that's absolutely unacceptable. Philadelphia went into MSG today and controlled the game from the outset, scoring an early goal on the power play. Michael Leighton came up strong in goal and things looked to be set.
Then, Avery started his crap and it all snowballed from there. It's unacceptable. They let one player completely change the course of this game. One player who has no business doing something like that.
The sole reason Avery was able to take over the game was because the Flyers entered it with the wrong mentality. If you remember, the Flyers-Rangers game prior to that match-up featured Dan Carcillo's beat down on Marian Gaborik, and all the stories leading into the mid-March tilt were about how the Rangers were ready for revenge.
As a result, Peter Laviolette decided to sit guys like Darroll Powe and Ville Leino in favor of Riley Cote, who logically only got a handful of seconds in ice time during the game. He had no impact on the ice, but his insertion into the lineup sends a message from Laviolette to the players that it's going to be a physical game.
They lost focus, of course, and wound up losing the game by letting Avery run things. You'd think Laviolette would learn his lesson. Fool me once, shame on you, etc. etc.
But, no. Check this tweet from CSN's Tim Panaccio.
Leino out vs. NYR: "They need more fighters [against NYR]," he told me
You've got to imagine that 'more fighters' means Cote is going to play on Friday night. By play, obviously, we mean sit the bench for 58-plus minutes. Not only do the players recognize the absurdity here (evident by the fact that Leino brought up 'fighters' in the first place), but you get the sense from this tweet that Leino is bothered by the notion.
And he should be. The playoffs are on the line here and the Flyers need all the quality in the lineup they can get. Putting in 'more fighters' doesn't serve a purpose.
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Smoke and mirrors?
It could also mean that Carter is back.
Carchidi wrote today that if Carter came back, Leino would likely be the odd man out.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’d think that if Leino didn’t make the ‘we need more fighters’ comment.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter in he practiced today. More fighters = Asham, Hartnell, Powe Cote will not be playing this game or I am going to be shocked really really shocked.
You really think Leino considers Darroll Powe and Scott Hartnell fighters?
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 8, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, but I actually agree. It’s the smoke and mirrors part.
Lavy and Homer are both being really hush, hush about the whole line-up…why not tell the players to be, and Leino can make any excuse he wants.
“I’m out because I have a horrible case of explosive diaherra…”
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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And Avery is out, isn’t he? I think he’s injured. I don’t recall seeing him last night.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Even still, it’s just a matter of the Flyers getting off of their game. That’s the concern. Avery’s usually the guy who takes advantage, but it could be anyone really.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 8, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Big mistake… he doesn’t know how to pull a goalie and he doesn’t know when a player is adding scoring chances to lines 2 and 3. What is he thinking? Even if Carter is in, sit Hartnell a game and save yourself minimum 2 PK’s.
FGSB has it right:
http://twitter.com/FlyGoalScoredBy/status/11833088863
comedic relief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yup9fewqZ1Q&feature=related
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Are you kidding me????
What a stupid move. Leino is fast and contributes. Are u seriously valuing cote who can barely fight ? Wow unless he tells cote to fight avery in the first minute its a joke
This is silly.
They should just put the best team on the ice and play the way they’ve been playing.
Even if Carter is back, they should keep Leino in as well. We need to make the playoffs here.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Precisely.
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by Travis Hughes on Apr 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally I just don’t even want to think into this. I want the rest of my day today and tomorrow to go by with myself thinking we will ice the best team possible and won’t have Cote out there. I’ll believe it when I see it that Leino is out and Cote is in without Carter on the ice.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson
What a joke
It we got rid of his utter and completely useless presence, we would not have the option of making a stupid decision to goon it up.
Leino
3pts in last 5 games
Powe….1 pt in last 5 games
Cote…….1 goal in 3 seasons
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Did it bounce off the back of his skull?
I can’t believe Riley actually intended to score and did.
Out-a-sight, baby!
To bad the game isn’t in Philly. They can sit Leino, play Cote and maybe fire up the Kate Smith. I think I will pull out my 1974-75 Stanley Cup champions t-shirt and reminisce about Gene Hart, Dave Schultz and even the starting a new little league season. Because if this is true, I may as well go back to the seventies also. Those were good days to be an 8 year old. Out-a-sight, baby!
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Oh, This is bound to be good
You can't, but you thought that You could
The age of fighters is gone
Today’s game is too fast — it makes no sense to put somebody on the ice if he can’t skate or doesn’t have any skills. Years ago, you could justify having a one-dimensional player on your team that, despite lacking skill and agility, served the role of policeman on the ice. With the game getting faster, and the instigator rule in effect, you’re penalized for dressing an enforcer. If a player can’t be depended on to skate a regular shift, he has no business being in your lineup, no matter how tough he is.
What happened to the Lavvy who didn’t place a lot of emphasis on fighting? I mean he’s said all along it’s got it’s place and whatnot, but this is ridiculous. I’m seriously hoping for the smoke and mirrors part, but I’m trying not to get my hopes up too far.
I don’t know that Lavvy has changed that drastically, but maybe somebody else suggested it…… Well, we’ll never know if that’s the case, so pure speculation.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 8, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
PLEASE NO!!!!!
I hope Lavy is not falling for it but i don’t think so. I think Carts is back. Maybe he put it like that because of that dumbass NY writer Larry Brooks trying to start shit right before the biggest two games of the year. I just hope the Flyers put ear plugs in tonight and just play hockey and not let that asshole Avery get under their skin. Get the win tonight then beat the hell out of him Sunday. GAME ON!!!!!
playing cote would be idiotic. by dressing him it sends the message to the rest of the locker room that the Avery BS needs to be dealt with and not ignored. theres a very easy way to counter Avery’s influence and turn it into an advantage for the flyers. simply dont take the bait. JUST SKATE AWAY. Avery gets frustrated when nobody wants to dance with him and he starts taking bad penalties. no reason to feed into his nonsense. the Flyers for whatever reason cant seem to grasp this. They fall into his trap everytime we play the Rangers.
that being said, I highly doubt cote plays today. i dont think laviolette is that stupid, and even if he was I dont think Homer would allow that. something that Tim Panaccio reported on twitter yesterday really has no bearing on tonights line-up.
god I hate twitter. death of journalism as we know it
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