The Chicago Blackhawks: Penguins of the West?
I'm going to tell you the story of a hockey team. This hockey team, a storied franchise in the NHL, had a lot of success in the early-to-mid-1990s. After some ownership changes and some bad luck on the ice, the team absolutely fell apart. Fans stopped showing up, the hockey on the ice was irrelevant and by the late 90s and early 2000s, the darkest era in the city's hockey history was dawning.
If you think I'm talking about the Pittsburgh Penguins, you'd be wrong.
From 1969 to 1997, the Chicago Blackhawks made the playoffs every single year, and from 1958 to '97, Chicago missed the playoffs just once. But the once proud franchise was reduced to its core in the following decade thanks to cost-cutting policies by owner Bill Wirtz, and the Blackhawks went from respected Original Six club to laughing stock.
As the on-ice product dipped, so did the atmosphere inside United Center. In 1997, the 'Hawks were third in the league in attendance behind just Detroit and Montreal. From there, the numbers plummeted. The following year they dropped to fifth, then eighth, then 16th, then 24th, and you see where this is going.
By 2004, the team was welcoming only 13,000 people into the building each night for games, better than only Nashville, Carolina and Pittsburgh. Chicago dipped to 29th in the league in attendance numbers in 2007 before things finally improved. The following season, they catapulted back up to 16th, and by the 2008-09 season, the Blackhawks led the league in attendance, filling the United Center to 111% capacity over the course of the year.
A few things led to the sudden upswing. Obviously, the on-ice product improved. Despite missing the playoffs in 2007-08, Chicago had their first winning season in five years thanks in large part to the addition of young stars Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane, who each joined the club that year.
Also, as terrible as it may sound, Wirtz died. His son Rocky took over ownership of the team in 2007, and from there, the archaic practices the elder Wirtz employed went out the window and right into the Chicago River. Blackhawks home games, blacked out locally while Wirtz was owner, were broadcast on TV for the first time in year.
So, you have a team that returns to relevancy after finding some on-ice success. Essentially, they tanked for years to land some high draft picks, which gave the franchise the ability to pull themselves out of a hockey funk.
You remember the years 2000 to 2006, right? The Penguins were in a bit of a mess themselves, fighting to get a new arena built while also threatening to leave town. At the same time, they were amassing several high draft picks, allowing them to select guys like Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Marc-Andre Fleury.
With the foundation set, the team was able to go out and acquire free agents, just like Chicago has successfully done. The Pens acquired guys like Sergei Gonchar and Ruslan Fedotenko, while the Blackhawks were able to find guys like Brian Campbell, Marian Hossa and Cristobal Huet on the free agent market.
Soon after, things cleared up. With ownership problems out of the way, the fans returned, the team began to win, and the playoffs became a regular occurrence. Pittsburgh lost in Cup Final before winning it all in 2008-09, while Chicago lost in the Conference Final before breaking through to the big stage this year.
For our sake, let's hope the similarities between these two clubs stop there.
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I have heard the Hawks called Penguins West before
There are quite a few similarities. The only thing I liked about the Wirtz “dark days” was that it was easy to get cheap tickets to any game you wanted. Now you practically have to sell your firstborn. It is amazing what Rocky was able to do in just a few short years. I’m hoping we can keep it up for a while longer. Saturday will not come soon enough for me so we can get this show on the road. It should prove to be a wild ride!
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They are not Pittsburg because of one simple fact Toews and Kane doesn’t equal Crosby Malkin. They are good but the are Stars not Superstars. We have plenty of Stars to match them.
Crosby and Malkin are only superstars
because the media makes them that way. I’m not saying they aren’t good hockey players, but I feel that there are many players on other teams that are just as deserving. Your Richards, our Toews, the Preds Weber, etc. the list goes on and on.
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Well, Crosby, Malkin, and Ovi are better then each of our teams stars. Not by much, but they’re the 100 pts players while we have the 80 pts players. That said, if you take our top 3, and your top 3, both teams are very similar.
Toews = Richards
Kane = Carter
Hossa = Briere
Both our goalies are playing amazing, but both are unproven. the only main difference is our defense, where you guys have a more fluid puck moving D, while our D is more shut down, front of the net.
The thing with the Caps and Pens(especially this years pens) is that they unload all their Cap in offense, letting their D to be sub-par at best. So if the owners want to have the best 3 lines in the league, let them. We know by now that a great O and no D doesn’t get you anywere in the playoffs.
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I agree that our teams are very evenly matched
I personally think it is going to come down to who can get the better bounces and capitalize on them.
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Carter = Hossa
I would say Carter is more like Hossa, only with playoff goals, and Kane is more like Briere, only with balls.
I would say Carter is more like Hossa, only with playoff goals,
so basically carter isn’t hossa. at all.
and Kane is more like Briere, only with balls
watch briere go into a corner sometime. he is always outsized, knows he is going to take a beating, but for some reason does it anyway. hell, he went right after chara last series.
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Not at all. Carter and Kane are the teams leading goal scorers. While Briere and Hossa both are speedy, playmakers.
And what do you mean more balls. Briere has one fight this year, Kane has zero (unless you count cab drivers)
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
by JpH89 on May 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hossa and Carter are a better comparison. Both strong, two-way forwards that can seemingly score at will (even though Hossa has been snakebit in the playoffs this year).
Kane and Briere are a better comparison as well. I think people mistakenly view Kane as a sniper, but he’s really more of a playmaker like Briere. Also, both of these guys don’t play much defense, though Kane is learning how to backcheck from Toews and Hossa.
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by HungryHungryPanda on May 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mabybe Malkin but come on I hate his guts but Crosby is a superstar. I think he would be awsome on almost any team.
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by Christopher A on May 27, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t we hold some kind of grudge that they got Kane in a year when they finished with 15 more points than we did?
How did the attendance numbers look in 2001-02, when they made the playoffs?
Are you dreaming of Gagne – Richards – Kane?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 27, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sex.
This, by the way, is one of the reasons I’m a huge fan and proponent for Rabbit. The poor kid is a project who is constantly prepared to another kid that was drafted NHL ready.
I could probably look this up myself
but indulge me, what was JVR up to when/before he was drafted?
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Played hockey for his HS and the US under 18 team.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
haha, it really is amazing what JVR has done (and had done when he was drafted) vs. what Kane has done (and had done when he was drafted.
Seriously, in the year they were drafted (2006-2007 season), JVR put up 25 points in 12 games with the U.S. Under 18 team. Kane put up 145 points in 58 games in Juniors. Crazy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But the really important question
Who’s got the better “I swear I’m old enough to drink” playoff beard?
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s quite a look Rabbit’s getting from the guy behind him. Like maybe he’d like to boil his bunny, if you know what I mean.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey! I’m just making observations here. I don’t want to bone him, get him so drunk he spends half of game day puking, sure, but that’s it.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s a little bit different, yeah
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that’s entirely true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ehhhh, Kane was a super sniper like Carter. JVR is a big man, who can pass and move the puck. Yeah Kane is a better player/scorer then JVR, but I personally think that JVR is a better fit on our team.
Also, I hate hearing the Kane/JVR debate from our side. I knew that Kane was the far better player in the draft, but I was still happy with JVR (although, i’ll admit, I thought Torres was gonna be a stud too). My dad was saying that JVR needs a great series for him to get that question of “what if?” off his back. But I was saying that Chicago needs Kane to have a huge series for them to win, but we arent banking on JVR to be huge for us to win. We’d love to see JVR Play amazing, but we have 5 or 6 other guys that I expect to play better anyway.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Wait, why do we need Kaner to have a huge series? What’s wrong with Toews/Hossa/Sharp/Buff/Brouwer?
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is a failing on their parts
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Pronger had a mullet I’m pretty sure he’d be Godzilla.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I meant that Kane is more important to your team then JVR is to our team.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Oh yeah, true fact.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Give it time. I think JVR has a little more upside then Kane and still has much more potential to grow.
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by PatterPoet95 on May 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
we in Phoenix still hope that Turris fills out and becomes a stud….one day….maybe….
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by Jordan Ellel on May 27, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I got his player tee, so he made them at least $20. if that helps
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it

Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Oh man, they were selling these things on the discount rack all year last year. I still think he can be a Briere like player (he’s got the hands), but since he is 6’1" or so, he needs to weigh more than 175 lbs…
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by Jordan Ellel on May 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ohh cool
I spelt his name like the soccer player, my bad. I do know its Turris.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
yeah, i was REAAAALLLLYY confused there for a second….
by puppetmasterp on May 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh lost in Cup Final before winning it all in 2008-09, while Chicago lost in the Conference Final before breaking through to the big stage this year.
For our sake, let’s hope the similarities between these two clubs stop there.
Personally, I hope the similarities continue — if you compare Cup Final to Cup final, this would be 2010 Hawks = 2008 Pens, thus they should lose this year. Who cares about Conference Finals and breaking through? Let’s compare apples to apples here. :)
good article. Obviously Washington also fits that description as they also built from the draft after terrible seasons on the ice. To use an older reference, the pens and hawks are like the Senators of the early 2000s having built a team from high draft picks after years and years of being terrible. For the Flyers franchise, there has only ever really been one dark era and that was the early 1990s, but this flyers team is built very much like the Hawks with great players coming from the draft (Giroux, Richards, Carter to hawks’ Toews, Kane, and Keith) in addition to free agent and trade acquisitions (Pronger, Briere, Hartnell & Kimmo to Campbell, Hossa). I also see that this Flyers team is a a result of an excellent job by Holmgreen who turned this team around so quickly by getting Hartnell, Kimmo, Parent, and Carcillo (via Upshall) for Forsberg, Carle for Downie, Pronger for Lupol (who he got for Pitkannen and Sanderson) and draft picks and signed Briere. Bobby Clarke deserves some credit for the team as well since he drafted Gagne, Carter, Richards, and Boucher if you count him, but boy what a make over and wonderful job by Holmgreen
by historywillbemade on May 27, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Was there ever a threat of Chicago moving to Kansas City? No? Pens got ’em beat, then.
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Not to mention Chicago fans stopped showing up because their owner gave them ever reason not to. Pittsburgh fans stopped showing up because they didn’t want to.
Pen’s fans, with the exception of some of the die hards, because they are out there, but Pen’s fans are largely frauds. I would never say that about Blackhawks fans.
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I admit to complete ignorance regarding this team’s recent history. What was the deal with the horrible ownership? Why were games blacked out locally? educate me please, I’m too lazy to do my own research.
The owner was an old coot, basically.
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by Travis Hughes on May 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you said that because I truly had no response. I have no idea what so ever as to why he would do that to the fans and the city. I assumed it was an money thing but that was just an assumption.
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I believe he thought that if you televised the home games
no one would pay to go see them play when they were at home. Kind of backfired just a wee bit.
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The NFL has been implementing
similarly stupid blackout rules lately. It smacks of short sightedness.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The NFL has, if I am not mistaken (and I don’t like football so buyer beware), had those rules regarding blackouts in place since the late 80’s early 90’s…
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by PatterPoet95 on May 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
NFL black outs are based on attendance at games.
Where as the Black Hawks games were not available on local tv, regardless of whether people showed up or not.
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Yeah, I knew they were based on attendence, I just think its kind of dumb. How are you going to convince the fans the team is worth watching without letting them see the game?
Didn’t ochocinco buy up a bunch of tickets to prevent a blackout in Cincy at some point?
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He did indeed. Many times local businesses will buy up tickets and give them out to customers so a black out does not happen. But with the economy in the shape it is in and has been in, businesses could not afford to do so.
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It’s really worse than that to me because it basically amounts to class warfare (ahhh no ummm errr)… What I mean is that tickets (especially to football games) are very expensive. Last I checked the cheapest Eagles tickets (and again not a football fan) were in the 50 dollar range. So if you can’t afford a ticket, regardless, you can’t watch the game. Pretty sad and aggreviating if you ask me (and no you didn’t but I answered anyways…)
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by PatterPoet95 on May 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree, ticket prices for many events are astronomical. Hockey and football are the most expensive in my opinion. Basketball unless it’s the Lakers and Celtics are pretty affordable, at least here in Philly they are since the Sixers suck. Even Phillies tickets, while still somewhat affordable are much harder to come by.
It does stink that prices are what they are. This is actually the first year that I can remember that I did not attend a Flyers game. Part of that is the price of the tickets, but I also live 2.5 hours away so the drive time, plus parking, and gas all makes it barely affordable if at all. Fortunately a 47 inch LCD flat screen makes it much more bearable to watch at home.
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Dollar Bill Wirtz was a cheapskate
Refused to pay for an on ice product, pissed off Hawks legends like Bobby Hull, and then when no one wanted to show up to watch shit on skates, he blacked out home games to appease the season ticket holders.
If local fans wanted to see games on tv they were pay per view, including the SCF in 92, I believe.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that, and Dollar Bill traded players that were the heart and soul of the team away
when they didn’t even want to leave! He made life miserable for Chelios till the Chicago-native forced himself to be traded (even while Chelios’s mom still had a chill shop outside the UC). Roenick still harbors a LOT of bitterness at being traded away from Chicago, just look at anything he says these days regarding the franchise (even though the owners and management are different).
by puppetmasterp on May 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, these stories make me glad I was 2000 miles away and only vaguely aware of hockey. That would’ve been heart breaking as a kid. Or you know, a fan of any age.
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by shinkicker on May 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hawksvision
A while ago Wirtz decided to make people “pay” for watching the Hawks and removed them from free TV. He setup a subscription service called HawksVision that required people to pay ~$30/month to watch the Hawks. It didn’t last long.
After that folded he let the away games be on TV but refused to let home games be shown. I always thought it was punishment to the fans for not supporting his “great” idea of subscription TV…
They both stopped showing up because their team and ownership sucked. There is no difference.
We’re also missing out on the key similarity between these two: douchey overconfidence. As always, this doesn’t apply to the diehards.
The Pen’s owners were not awful, they had to file for bankruptcy because the previous owners overspent on everything. That is hardly the same as an owner outright not spending money and refusing to shows his teams games on local television.
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There is no comparison to what Bill Wirtz did. No precedent for it, and nothing like it since.
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by HungryHungryPanda on May 27, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
unfair comparison
We’re literally talking about what was the worst run franchise in all of professional sports (according to Fortune, ESPN, etc…). Just ask Mark Weinberg. He wrote the book on it:

The games weren’t televised and they got very little press. Fans (obviously) and players weren’t treated well. And unlike Pittsburgh which has only one pro sports franchise competing with the Penguins, Chicago has 4 (plus lots of College, preps, semi-pro, etc…).
For people my age that weren’t really around for the early ’90’s teams, it would have been really hard to become a fan of the team (or the sport for that matter) with no games on TV, no press, and “fan-unfriendly” ownership.
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i actually do remember watching a lot of hockey at the time
the Avs, the Ducks, hell even the Red Wings. Because those games were easier to find televised. Plus I wasn’t old enough to drive myself to the UC, and I didn’t come from a big hockey family (all basketball nuts). But yeah, the Hawks…..that was difficult.
by puppetmasterp on May 27, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I ranted sorry
But my basic point was that a decent number of younger Blackhawks fans weren’t exposed to the team much until after Dollar Bill kicked the bucket (myself included). Being ignorant then doesn’t make you less of a fan as long as you’re not ignorant now. Now those ’Hawks fans on PD – yikes. No wonder everyone thinks new(er) Blackhawks fans are dickbags.
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no worries, i didn't say i disagreed with you
I’ve been blessed with luck in when i was born and an excellent memory, so the early 90’s rolled around just as I came into my sports-consciousness. So while i’m lucky enough to remember the old, dominant Hawks and Bulls, many people just a few years younger than me can’t, and so didn’t get into Hockey till about decade later thanks to Wirtz. The timing of it amazes me.
Besides, I’ve met you, and know you’re not like the dumb high-school girl i saw this afternoon buying a Hawks tee, and then asking out loud “so when does the first game start anyway? It’s soon, I think.” It’s not like you own a pink Hawks shirt or something….oh…wait…. ;)
by puppetmasterp on May 28, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
You know why I have it and why I must wear it tomorrow. God damn superstitions. I am going to get ragged by a packed house again FML.
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Funny thing happened on facebook the other day. a guy I played hockey with who is a Pens fan tried to make a post talking about Flyers fans coming out of the closet. I ripped him a new one in a comment saying the only fans that came out the closet to htich onto the bandwagon recently are pitt fans. Flyers fans have always been here thanks to a largely competitive franchise (with exception of the early 90s and 06-07 of course)
by historywillbemade on May 27, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have seen a lot of women who never expressed an interest in the Flyers suddenly hop on the bandwagon. My mother among them.
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Everyone gets some modicum of bandwagon fans during a run. Some have more than others.
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Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’ve been wearing Phils and Flyers gear for 10+ years—used to get made fun of or get dirty looks. Now everyone wears it—even if when you try to strike up a conversation with them about the team they have no idea what you are talking about most days. Whatever. It beats the alternative.
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This is a decent and not necessarily negative read
However, I am SO sick and tired of this non-issue being discussed ad nauseum. So what? Who cares? Why do I need to justify my fanship to every dickweed who comes along although I started going to games as a kid and my family owned season tickets even during the Dollar Bill Wirtz years. You win a lot, you’ll get bandwagoneers. Seriously who gives a shit though, its all just people out for fun and entertainment…
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by Detroit Must Die on May 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Who are you defending your fandom to? I didn’t see anything in this article worth getting worked up over. No one said Black Hawks fans were front runners.
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I don't know
Why do we have to keep reading pieces about Philly fans all being assholes ad naseum? We continually have to defend our fandom from that oversimplification because of a very vocal minority of jagoffs who happen to cheer for our teams.
The point is that some people stuck with their team through everything, although some fanbases have had worse situations than others. Now with the sudden re-emergence of your team, there are smug Chicago fans coming out of the wordwork who couldn’t be found under a rock 5 years ago. I’m getting emails from people I’ve bearly spoken to within my company telling me how the Flyers are going down in 4.
There’s bad apples in every fanbase. We all have our crosses to bear.
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by doubleh on May 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shameless Self Promotion
I think someone (ahem) may have posted a Fanpost article about this very topic just a little while ago…
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by PatterPoet95 on May 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t you get plenty of crap over the last decade from people who were Red Wings fans who also happened to be fans of the Patriots, Yankees, and Lakers? Didn’t you find that a little annoying and find yourself praying for the Red Wings to have a bad season so those guys would all just go away?
Coming from a city where our arch-enemies include the Penguins, the Cowboys, and the Celtics, we’re particularly sensitive on this issue. Yeah, it’s unfair to make fans like you defend yourselves by demonstrating that you are one of the die-hards who lived through the bad times. But it’s natural when those fans are outnumbered by the other kind — and the other kind tend to be particularly obnoxious trash-talkers — to start to assume the negative of people.
You forgot the Mets.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Nah, left them off on purpose. The bandwagoners are mostly on the Yankees side, I believe.
I might hate the Mets a whole lot, but they don’t have the kind of fan base we’re talking about here.
True…but they are our arch enemies.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Though I will say, Met’s fans are by far the most annoying.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
pens fans didn’t show up when the games were on tv. as did like the washington fans.
can’t really say that about the hawks. they got screwed in the worst way.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
somewhat related to this thread
remember PRISM?
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You mean that channel my dad got so we could watch Flyers games, and where I stumbled upon Showgirls and saw my first set of breasts?
by Snevik on May 27, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
never saw that movie. any good?
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
NO!
But if you like camp and naked girls who can’t dance, it is the movie for you.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
But if you likecamp andnaked girlswho can’t dance, it is the movie for you.
SOLD!!!!!
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Whatever. I’m a chick, so it wasn’t enough for me, but whatever floats you boat.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Yes
It’s how I discovered the Flyers. Channel 2 on the set top box. That logo was classic.
Awful, awful camerawork on the games, though.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Sadly, the camera-work on NBC and Versus is not much better, if it is better at all…
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by PatterPoet95 on May 27, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i remember that all the away games were on 57 or 17. the only people in the ’hood who had prism was my neighbors-needless to say, their children were slightly neglected when i babysat.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
GAG Winter Classic 2011 will be PENS vs CAPS! throws up a little I sure hope that the Flyers win the cup this year so that the Pens fans have to live with the image of Mike Richards raising the cup
by historywillbemade on May 28, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions
i was thinking a well-placed meteor hit, but same general idea
by puppetmasterp on May 28, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to be a fun series
And one hell of a battle for which ever teams ends up raising the holiest of sports grails.
But did you have to digress to calling us anything like Pittsburgh? That’s insulting, nearly as bad, or maybe worse than saying were are like SCUM.
But this was a good post, I think all Hockey fans should know just what a bad owner can do to ANY franchise, and use that SOB as the example! He single hand-idly killed NHL hockey in Chi-Town, myself included. But he is gone, the future is bright, and Heritage of the team is now as important as the players currently skating.
This is one Hawks fan who is glad that is now the past, and is looking only to the future, which now includes the SCF. This was only a wet dream Three Years ago, and you would have been laughed out of town or committed if you even suggested the possibility.
Lie I said this is going to be a fun series to watch as a Hockey Fan, and will probably cause 2470-35973 Heart Attacks as a Hawks fan. Good Luck to all, but may Lady Luck be more partial to my side!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 28, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Blues fan dropping in. I'm only here to ask one thing
Stop them paste eaters from Chicago from winning the cup.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods
Nice artwork! :) We’ll do our best.
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by Orange and Black Forever on May 29, 2010 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
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