ECSF Game 3: Bruins too much to handle; Flyers pushed to brink
by Travis Hughes on May 5, 2010 10:18 PM EDT
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PrintIt's not about heart. It's not about effort. It's not about determination. It's not about any of these intangibles that we so often cite when complaining about the 2009-10 Philadelphia Flyers.
No, over the last few weeks, and really, since Peter Laviolette has been coach of this team, the Flyers have displayed plenty of heart. They've fought through plenty of adversity. They've put forth more effort than any of us could ever ask for. Try telling Ian Laperriere that the Flyers don't have any heart.
That hasn't been the problem over the last several months, it hasn't been the problem in this series with the Boston Bruins, and it wasn't the problem in Game 3, either. Instead, the Flyers are plagued by a lack of depth. They're playing a team that frustrates the hell out of you by trapping and getting in the passing lanes.
The orange and black aren't doing a good enough job of getting traffic in front of Tuukka Rask, but besides that, there's really not much more they can do. The Bruins are just absolutely stifling on defense and they capitalize on every single bounce in the other direction.
All four of their goals tonight were the result of lucky bounces, in fact. They don't generate a ton of offense themselves -- attempted shots were 71-31 in favor of the Flyers, while shots on goal were 35-20 in favor of Philadelphia -- but the Bruins just limit those chances so well that not many of them are quality. It's tough to counter that, and more importantly, it's this aspect of their game that makes them so frustrating to play against from behind. It's a cycle...
- The Flyers control the play in the Bruins end.
- Boston keeps the Flyers to the outside while clogging the middle and blocking shots from the point, eliminating any quality scoring chances.
- They gobble the puck up in the box and push out from there. When the Flyers make a mistake in transition, they're there to capitalize and score.
- The Flyers get frustrated, try to press to hard, and thus make even more mistakes.
- Lather, rinse, repeat.
Couple this with the fact that the Flyers are without three big time players and it's a recipe for disaster. But is there hope for the Flyers? Well, the last team to win a series after being down 0-3 were the 1975 New York Islanders, so don't look there. But David Krejci left the game tonight and didn't return as did Adam McQuaid (I always want to call him Dennis). Marco Sturm, Dennis Seidenberg and Mark Stuart are also out for Boston. They're hurting, too.
If the Flyers can get a lead and bear down a little bit on defense (re: not make mistakes and hold onto the puck), the Bruins aren't a team that can run and gun and come back on you. If you get the lead, the Bruins suddenly won't look so stifling.
Is it far fetched that the Flyers will come back? Of course it is. But that doesn't mean we should be giving up. The season isn't over yet, so let's get behind the team and root for them until it is, whether that's Friday, next week, or next month. After the jump, questions with answers and the comment of the night.
Questions with Answers
- The Flyers need to score first. They need to control play from the start. Do they? They did, but two quick mistakes led to a quick Bruins surge, allowing Boston to run things from then on.
- Does Peter Laviolette overuse his top guys again tonight? He did, but he really doesn't have much of a choice.
- How much does having the last change help the Flyers? It didn't.
- Can the power play improve tonight? Nope.
- Can the Flyers win a few faceoffs tonight? Lost 'em 33-21 tonight.
- Any blow back from the Savard-Carcillo crap in Game 2? Not even a mention.
Comment of the Night
All those fans leaving is embarrassing.
>> Ben Feldman
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Would have thought the Flyers showed up tonight
Its the team we thought they were. Can’t overcome losing 2 out of your top 6 forwards and your best penalty killer. Just hope they send up to Bahston for Game 5!
Boruk reporting through twitter that Krejci broke his wrist and is out for the series and probably the season.
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fuck the flyers, fuck the fake ass fans, and fuck traffic that I’ve been sitting in for over an hour
"Sugah n' rainbows"
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by Travis Hughes on May 5, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
traffic, traffic, looking for my chapstick
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
by JpH89 on May 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I haven’t moved in an hour haha
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Oh my. Wow.
Is there an accident, or just 70,000 leaving Broad Street at the same time?
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the phillies decided that two gates was enough for 60,000+ cars to leave at the same time.
"Sugah n' rainbows"
"We will steal the show, jolly Rogers go, we are wolves of the sea."
Security told us the 95 ramp was shut down so the Mayor and his wife could leave the game, all traffic was redireceted to 11th street.
On a side note, some ass (who I already let get over into the center lane) kept trying to squeeze in front of me to get in the turning lane. He rolled down the window to ask me if he could cut in, the ass was Hartnell.
and i got into an argument with a guy on the way out who think jvr is the worst player on the team, and i was like hartnell is way worse so is coburn. Granted JVR hasn’t produced a goal yet but he is trying i was at the game he took a couple of good shots and made some great forechecks. He could probably work more on his defensive awareness but he certainly is not the worst player on the team. What do u guys think?
I don’t really care too much about arguments like that — they lack perspective. As far as JVR goes, he needs some work this summer on aspects of his game, particularly on how to execute your standard body check along the boards. This is his first season, and at 21 I expect he’ll get a lot better if he works out hard over the summer. He needs to increase his upper body strength and work on his conditioning. I think most people agree that JVR flamed out early.
JVR is a first year 20 year old and looked like a 1st year 20 year old. He showed flashes here and there and I thought his line was the best for the Flyers last night. He was not the same after the coaching change as changing systems mid-way through the year has to be extra hard on a rookie.
Hartnell on the other hand is a 27 year old former 30 goal scorer who is making pretty big bucks. When we let Knuble and Lupul go Hartnell was a guy this organization was counting on to pick up the slack and at the very least maintain his production from last year. He got more PP time and more ice-time played with better forwards than JVR the rookie and only managed 9 more points in the regular season.
He did manage 125 more penalty minutes though. 54 minor penalties the next closest guy on the team was Pronger with 32, Dan Carcillo only got 30 minors. Unfortunately former Flyer Steve Downie beat Hartnell for most minors this year with 59. Could you imagine was our team would have looked like with Carcillo, Downie and Hartnell. Lappy and Betts would probably had a heart attack for the all the PK time. Downie did out produce Hartnell scoring 22 goals and he was a + 14 compared to Hartnell’s -6 mark. Only everyone’s favorite (mine too) Claude Giroux was worst than Hartnell in plus minus from the forward position. Hartnell’s minors actually went up compared to last years league high total so much for learning to improve his discipline.
If you still think is a close argument to say who is worse Hartnell or JVR consider this for what their expectations were and what the organization was counting on them to do and based on salary Hartnell was way worse than JVR who wasn’t even supposed to make the team. Hartnell was cursed and drug his teammates down with him. Paired Hartnell with Richards 0pts -2 for the game last night. Put him on the PP sucks Hartnell wherever Hartnell went gloom and doom was sure to follow.
Meh, Coburn looked ok in this playoffs…a lot better than he did this season. Not saying that he is amazing or anything, just competent. JVR has potential, needs to work on defense and finishing more on offense, but he isn’t the worst. Your argument for Hartnell is on target. He just doesn’t look comforable in Laviolette’s system. Not to mention he lacks the mental skills to make good decisions on the ice…which leads to penalties, chances for the opponents, turnovers, etc.
Very frustrating game - Boston does the defensive shell better than anyone in the league. They lose 2 players in the game, get outshot tremendously and still outscore us.
Flyers played hard, but they just don’t have the chemistry right now. All anyone has to do is look at what happened on the empty net goal to see a team that is fighting an uphill battle. They could use a break or 2.
This was why I was cheering for the Caps against the Habs. The Bruins aren’t making mistakes in their end, Rask isn’t letting in beachballs, and just too many men down for the Flyers. If it was the Caps instead of the Bruins this would probably be 3-0 the other way.
The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.
The problem with saying that is you are just going by what the Flyers are doing offensively. Would they have scored more goals against the Caps then they have against the Bruins? Sure. But you are ignoring the defensive aspect of things. As much as we love Boosh, he is no Jaroslav Halak. The Flyers have been very defensively irresponsible in this series and as many goals as that has translated to for Boston, it would have translated to just as many more for Washington and then some. So while the Flyers may have gotten 3 goals today instead of 1, who is to say that Washington would not have gotten 5?
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The Caps Goaltending sucks plan and simple, and I still believe if you shutdown Ovie you can usually shutdown the Caps.
The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.
The Flyers have barely been able to shutdown the lackluster Bruins offense, how on earth are they going to shut down Ovechkin, in addition Laichs, Semin, Green, Knuble, etc.?
It’s like I said, Flyers would likely be losing 6-3 instead of 4-1. Our defense has not been what it has needed to be.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
wait
I thouight that iy was decided yesterday the the flyers D was better than Boston’s. Oh and that the flyers were a better team too.
Which B's team is this?
by eyebob on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, think what was decided was that it was a wash and both teams were fairly evenly matched. Bounces have gone the Bruins way and they’ve played better defense in this series, but that doesn’t mean the Flyers aren’t capable of playing defense just as well (since we saw it in the first round against the Devils).
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I still think the Flyers’ Defensemen are better, especially 1-4. However, if you want to talk team D, I think the Bruins team D is better. I thought yesterday you were talking purely defensemen.
look the caps are still a good team and this assumption only really works when your not missing 2 of your top 6 and your jack of all trades. We would have necessarily fared any better against the caps with they way things are set up
whoops
We wouldn’t have necessarily fared any better against the caps with they way things are set up
Really what could be expected of a team that has lost it’s top goalie (2x), top scorer, top wing, and top PK shot blocking wing. I really don’t know that the Caps were a better match up. Without all the injuries, I think the Flyers light up the Bruins, but we all knew this was going to be a grinding series, and the puck just hasn’t bounced our way.
Totally in agreement. Gags, Carter, Lappy, Leighton, Emery…key pieces missing and not enough skill to replace them.
I think that if we’ve learned anything from this series, it’s that Carter is the last guy we ought to be trading away (for our goalie of the future, presumably)…unless we’re getting a second-line/third-line center back, as well.
by SteelBirdFlyer on May 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d still trade Carter in a heartbeat, but we have to address a postion of need.
ie. scoring winger/center/goaltending
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by HockeyOutsiders on May 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, this team was built to win the Stanley Cup. We had as good a chance as any team in the playoffs, they just suffered some unfortunate injuries. There are a few areas we want to improve but we’re confident in the nucleus of this team.
/Holmgren on Monday Morning.
If Ed Snider = Harold Ballard, you’d be right.
No way they stay put. The only reason he did so this season is because he didn’t want to further handicap the team down the road by giving away more draft picks.
The team will have a different look and feel to it next year. Believe.
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soon, we’ll be discussing what Homer needs to do to put a winning product on the ice
soon, he’ll be fucking it up to be sure, haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on May 6, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember all the comments posted the last few weeks of the regular season about how some of us hoped that they wouldn’t make the playoffs to send a message that the team needed to change. I still think that is where this team is at. I feel like the Flyers benefited this post season by facing and NJ (the only team they actually could beat this year). If they had faced another team, we probably would already be in the offseason and looking to rebuild.
Not saying that I am not enjoying the Flyers winning in the playoffs, but just taking a look at the big picture
I think getting swept can still send the same message about change that not making the playoffs at all would have.
by SteelBirdFlyer on May 6, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
My superstition quit on me today
When the Phillies were in the playoffs in 2008, because I do not spend money on jerseys (me wearing and buying jerseys are the ultimate jinx, for both the player and the team during games I wear them), I have a plain royal blue shirt that I would break out to show my solidarity with the Phillies. I am not a jersey buyer, so this was the closest thing. It brought them good luck too. Every time I wore this shirt during that playoff run, they won. The same with the playoff run in 2009, but sadly, I can’t wear 1 tee shirt every day of every game. Even in 2009, when I wore it they won. But sadly, I can’t wear it everyday, so unlike in 2008 and the NL Playoffs in 2009 when the Phils were able to win without me wearing this shirt, they were up the creek without a paddle in the 2009 World Series when I did not wear it. I tried to see if the luck could translate to the Flyers, and every time I wore this shirt this season and watched the Flyers game, they won. I wore it during the win or go home game against the Rangers that got us into the playoffs (yes, I wore the color of the Rangers that day, but the Flyers won; you should thank me). I forget what game it was against the Devils that I wore it, but it was not Game 2. After not wearing it for the 1st 2 games against the Bruins, I decided to bring out the good luck charm for tonight’s Game 3. I’ve done everything I could to help us get as far as we could, but even my unbreakable superstition was no match for the Bruins.
Why haven’t I told you this before? You would not want me to jinx it now, would you? :)
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The terrible part for me is we are just making it easier for the Pens in the next round. I hate the Pens and I’d rather a healthy Boston go up against them but thats out the window now. My only hope to stopping the Pens will rely on the west. Oh and its over and I’m going to let the healing begin so i can go on and have a fun summer. I’m still gonna watch and root but I know better.
What’s up with you guys walking out in the third? I know it’s not any fun for you guys right now but you have to ride it out.
To be honest, the game was much closer than the scoreboard showed. We got a few lucky bounces and Rask was money. You guys had all kinds of offensive zone pressure, just couldn’t find the back of the net.
Oh, and Scott Hartnell is your worst player. This JVR hate boggles my mind, what’s up with that?
All in all the building was pretty bad tonight. There were more empty seats than there have been all year, and a lot of the season ticket holders in our section weren’t there tonight for whatever reason (sold them to others though). It was a bad display of the fan base tonight, and it was really embarrassing. But honestly, listening to a lot of the people around me talk, they weren’t really hockey fans, unlike the normal 19K+ that fill the place. Don’t know why it was that way, but it was something I noticed as soon as I walked into the building last night.
Err…the building was pretty bad last night. Sorry I had my own hockey game after the Flyers game, and I’m a little out of it at work this morning.
RDS has some of Lappy’s standing O here. It doesn’t show all of it, or the “History Will Be Made” video they made for him, but it was definitely the highlight of the night for me.
by ohnickels on May 6, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Goaltending and lucky bounces.
That basically sums up last night’s game. We didn’t get either.
Funny, but karma certainly is a dirty you know what. I’m sure this is how NJ felt playing us. Now we get a taste of what they and their fans felt. Frusturated by lack of good scoring opportunities, inability to beat a goalie who isn’t all that good, but is being helped by a solid stiffling defense and absolutely zero lucky bounces going their way.
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History Will Be Made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM_o0U9zO0&feature=player_embedded
Couldn’t get it here @ work, but I think thats what you guys are looking for. I’d love to see it, will check it out tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N83qN1eIwOE
A nice one of Boucher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f02Bs8HkHeg
A hilarious parody Briere/Broduer beachball!
Good piece Travis. The Flyers outplayed the Bruins for the pretty much entire game. This game reminded me of our game 1 win over the Devils except we were on the other side. Bruins blocked shots and their goaltender out played Boosh and they got the breaks. Not that any of the goals were Boosh’s fault.
I even liked our approach to the game the Bruins were playing us pretty tight on the point an we had trouble getting the shots through so we went to a down low crash the net game and got tons of chances in front. The problem is we don’t have any players with enough size or “tripod skill” to be a net presence and the refs, which I called at the end of the Devils series weren’t going call it nearly as tight in the 2nd round.
So the bigger stronger Bruins team was allowed to clear the porch and be physical in front against our smaller forwards. I wish we were allowed to that against the Devils when we were the bigger stronger team but that is typical Flyers hockey the rule are always interpreted in the oppositions favor. We missed Knuble for this series and all season. Homer’s mistake was that he put too much faith in Hartnell to replace Knuble in that role and he clearly can not.
We need to get bigger up front in the offseason and add some playoff tested “Lappy-like” veteran presence to sure up the blue-line and off course the goalie thing. In the end if we fail to pull of the miracle comeback at least our Flyers single handedly ended the season for the both the Rangers and the Devils.
So any word on whether Kate Smith is singing before game 4?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
I was pretty embarrassed by the crowd tonight. Between yelling “Shoot!” on power plays, booing in the third period, and leaving early, I was disappointed with how they handled their frustration.
And this, Geoff, is why I get heated when Flyers fans say they won’t give the standing ovation at the end of their team’s season. If anyone leaves early tomorrow, or refuses to acknowledge this group in the event of a sweep, I’ll be pretty heated.
I can’t stand yelling “Shoot!” on power plays or leaving early. Booing the in the third period is okay with me, except in the playoffs. So, really, I agree with your entire first paragraph. It’s the second paragraph I disagree with. This team does not deserve a standing ovation at the end of tomorrow’s game if they play exactly like they did last night. A 4-1 loss at home to end the season in a playoff sweep does not warrant a standing o.
But it all depends on how the game goes. If they win, if they show heart, if they come back, etc. go ahead. But if they lose, show no heart, or quit, no way do they deserve a standing o. Have both the team and the fans walk out quietly, with not making the team feel better or worse.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 6, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see much quit last night…am I the only one? I saw another gassed and frustrated team but not necessarily a quiting team.
I disagree with your ovation theory. No matter how the season ends you still have to show your appreciation for the entire season. Tell me Boosh doesn’t deserve to be honored at the end of the season? The man played better than people expected and it’s not his fault even if his team did quit. They’re our team and they deserve a nod from us for a job well done overall. I don’t care if they lose in 3 games by 7 goals each. You gotta respect and applaud what they’ve done all year.
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by KreiderDesigns on May 6, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And I respect that. I just disagree. I’d have a hard time rationalizing a standing o for Boucher while Hartnell thinks he’s getting one too; o for Pronger while Krajicek thinks he’s getting one too; etc.
I’d just walk out in disappointed and angered silence.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 6, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand booing at a lack of effort but the effort was there booing for the sake of booing was totally un-called for.
I disagree as well Geoff. This team has actually shown heart all series, even last night, they did play hard.
They deserve some recognition, because people didn’t even think this team was going to make the playoffs, nevermind win a round.
It is what it is. We are playing half a line up of AHL guys. The Bruins play a similar game to ours. Nothing to be ashamed of, IMO.
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by HockeyOutsiders on May 6, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
people didn’t even think this team was going to make the playoffs, nevermind win a round.
You’re not the only person who has said it, but this statement bothers me. We’re now rewarding them for a terrible regular season, a terrible post-olympic break, a terrible final week of the season, all because they beat a terrible Devils team? In October and November, “people” thought this team was not only going to make the playoffs, not only win a round, but make the Eastern Conference Finals. Some people thought this team would win the Stanley Cup.
We lower expectations and claim victory? I hate that. Plus, who are the “half AHL guys”? Nodl, Ross, Backlund. That’s 3 out of 20 players. This team (likely) fell far short of expectations, they didn’t exceed them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 6, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We lower expectations and claim victory? I hate that. Plus, who are the "half AHL guys"? Nodl, Ross, Backlund. That’s 3 out of 20 players. This team (likely) fell far short of expectations, they didn’t exceed them.
Pretty much every team goes into the season with expectations to “win the cup”. Even if team’s like the Leafs know they aren’t that good, they still have expectations that maybe something will click and they can win. If there isn’t, there really isn’t a point of playing the game is there?
I’m not saying, that I’m claiming victory because they didn’t win it all. I’m simply saying that based on everything that happened this season, it’s a pretty amazing feat that they are even in the second round.
Plus, I said last summer that when they signed Emery that they wouldn’t win anything. When I’ve voted in the fan pollings on confidence, I always voted 0 because i have no faith in this organization to actually put the right pieces together. To make it to the second round is pretty good by my standards anyway.
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by HockeyOutsiders on May 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, the whole east was pretty terrible this year.
Look at how far the slightly better but still bad bruins have gotten.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s a lot different than you saying people didn’t even expect the team to make the playoffs. Yeah, a month ago people were worried. But in October, November, December, January, February, and March, this team was expected to make the playoffs.
Did the team improve from last year? I don’t think they did. Getting one round further is better, but did the team improve? If anything, I think they were just as good, if not worse, than last year. The same problems – inconsistent, lazy, defensively weak – are there as they were last year. Winning a favorable matchup doesn’t make me proud of the team. They didn’t improve. And what’s a franchise doing if they are just treading water?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
well, you obviously have different standards than me. They signed Emery, I wrote a HO article (granted I know it’s satire, but….) that basically said, they would lose again. A lot of Flyers fans I know, concurred. I argued with Mario in December if this was a playoff team saying that they would make it 4-6, but lose in the first round.
They got to the second round, so color me pleased, I figured even if we beat the Bruins, we weren’t getting past Pittsburgh anyway. For what it’s worth, I don’t think we’re beating Pittsburgh in the playoffs until we get a legitimate goalie. So until they do that, no matter who they sign, they’ll always be treading water.
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by HockeyOutsiders on May 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The standards are different, and that’s fine. I have no problem with people who cheer for a reason – overcoming adversity, etc. – but this all started with my criticizing Washington for giving a standing o after they lost in Game 7. President’s trophy winning team getting bounced in the first round? Who thinks, immediately after the horn blows ending their season, “man, these guys deserve a standing ovation?”. When you see that Ian Laperriere gets a standing o in Game 3, do the two even compare? Not at all. One is deserved, the other isn’t.
As far as getting past Pittsburgh, I still think this team should be able to. Would they? Highly doubt it. But looking at the roster on paper, you have to think this team is better – even with the injuries. Obviously, this team is a disappointment on the ice compared to paper, and that’s why I wouldn’t stand and applaud if they got swept in the second round.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 6, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate the shoot, and I hate when people leave early, but booing in the 3rd…Last night, I didn’t boo, but I was furious in my seat. Maybe they were gassed, but after the 3rd goal, it seemed like the Flyers were lost, and the crowd could tell. I think when a team looks as aimless as they did in the 3rd, a person that paid the ridiculous amount for tickets has the right to boo. I don’t boo, never had, instead I usually punch my seat to get out my frustration. I know they played a good 2 periods, but after that 3rd goal, everyone’s energy just disappeared, and the result was people either leaving or booing. I’m embarrassed by the leaving, not the booing.
I will stand up and clap for the Flyers regardless of how the game ends tomorrow night. I’ve always been one to cheer at the end of the year no matter what happened. I guess, as a season ticket holder, I feel like I was part of the ride. Plus no matter how bad they are, there are always some players on the team that deserve more than a round of appluase (see Lappy for one). So tomorrow night, win or lose, since it could be the last time I see them this year, I’ll stand up and clap b/c that’s how I feel. However, I’ll respect the season ticket holder that wants to boo as well, that’s their opinion, and they paid for those tickets, and have every right to boo.
So it would seem! I would still be incredibly surprised if he even got limited minutes on Friday, but that would give them even more reason to fight hard for a game 5 on Monday, besides you know, the end of their season.
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by KreiderDesigns on May 6, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the Flyers’ history of bringing people back from injuries too soon, I half-believed you.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
You guys have that going on too?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Backlund
Not sure if there was a reason for it, but why did they pull Boosh out? Just to rest him up for Friday? I was curious about that. Also, the standing O for Lappy was incredible and I had hoped someone in the hockey media would’ve at least mentioned it in passing….silly me.
Of course the media wouldn’t want to show anything classy done by Philly fans. Remember, as far as they’re concerned, we’re all bloodthirsty savage barbarian Nazis who boo Santa Claus, throw batteries at players, and vomit on 11 year old girls. Expressing a nuanced, balanced viewpoint is so much harder than over-generalizing and busting out cliches.
To be fair, all of those things did happen.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but I didn’t see many replays of the classy Red Rocking Caps fans throwing stuff at the Flyers after Lupul’s game 7 OT winner. Yet I always see snowballs being thrown at Santa Claus and that was over a decade ago.
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by HockeyOutsiders on May 6, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never thrown a snowball at Santa. I’ve never throw a battery at a player. I’ve never vomited on an 11 year old girl, or any person, for that matter. Nor have 99% of Philly sports fans. They are isolated incidents that could’ve happened anywhere, not to mention that similar things happen EVERYWHERE on a nightly basis in the sports world.
But we’re the villians. We’re evil. Etc. It gets old.
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by Travis Hughes on May 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
See, I wouldn’t throw batteries or snowballs at anyone. I would probably throw my own poop at Sean Avery though.
Boston fans in general are known for being drunken obnoxious bandwagoners who know 3 guys on the team.
Don’t know which I’d prefer.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You an eagles fan?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s that quote from?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
Two years ago I took my college roommate and good friend to a Phillies-Braves game on a Saturday afternoon. We were all the way up. Zany hijinks ensued with a Braves fan calling a 16-year-old South Philly girl (in a Chase Utley t-shirt, of course) a “cunt.” Said Braves fan was ejected. Other than that, there was just some general drunken goofiness going on around us; nothing special. My friend even commented, “It’s no worse than the bleachers at Fenway.” I’ve been to Fenway a couple of times and found this to be true… although one time I was there (Red Sox vs. White Sox back in 1998) a fight broke out near us for no discernible reason.
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I was in Chicago at a White Sox game a few years ago. They were playing the Twins and it went into something like 16 innings. Anyway, long story short, Twins won, group of Twins fans were almost pushed onto train tracks outside the stadium.
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by Travis Hughes on May 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
San Francisco – LA Dodgers Game – Septemberish 2003
Worst fan atmosphere I’ve ever witnessed firsthand (and I’ve been to 4 or 5 Eagles games!)—lower level seats people spent most of the time doing work on cell phones and computers but higher up it was pretty violent. Their chants were pretty unimaginitive/weak, but someone did steal my Phillies hat. Bastages.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I haven’t been to an Eagles game since 1998 (the 3-13 year). It was one of the 3 wins, during a Thursday night against St. Louis. And the Eagles only won because the Rams displayed horrible clock management at the end of the game.
Anyway I had seats about 20 rows up from the end zone, so they were good, but of course the fan behavior was atrocious. I think I saw every “Vet” stereotype imaginable that night. And the game itself had to be one of the worst games of any kind I ever paid money to see.
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I honestly don’t know why they have the stranglehold on this city that they have, considering how little they’ve actually given back over the years. I mean, I love the Eagles, but baseball and hockey always came first for me. It must be the event-like nature of each game and the Colisseum atmosphere.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I honestly don’t know why they have the stranglehold on this city that they have
Likely because football as a whole has a stranglehold on the country.
We have replaced warring city-states (as in ancient Greece) with cities warring metaphorically through professional sports. And football, with its blitzkriegs, sacks, and long bombs, is a perfect metaphor for war. Here in US and A, we love a bit of the old ultra-violence, don’t we?
I like football too, but IMHO hockey is much more honorable in terms of things like playing for the crest on the front, not the name on the back. You’d never expect a hockey player to write a book called Just Pass Me the Damn Puck!, would you?
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