SCF Game 2: Flyers Control Third, But Too Little Too Late
by Ben Rothenberg on Jun 1, 2010 12:01 AM EDT
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The Flyers played an incredible third period. They outscored the Blackhawks 1-0, outshot them 15-4, and spent the vast majority of the period in the Chicago zone.
Unfortunately, there was more to the game than the third period.
The Hawks scored back-to-back goals late in the second on consecutive shots by Marian Hossa and Ben Eager, giving the Hawks an immediately cushioned lead they were able to hang onto despite massive Flyer pressure in the third.
Without any transition, here are the bullets:
- Michael Leighton bounced back beautifully from his Game 1 crapfest, challenging shots slightly more and keeping rebounds to a minimum. He definitely seems to be over his SCF jitters.
- Simply put, the addition of Dan Carcillo did nothing, and the Flyers could have used James van Riemsdyk's net presence and size in the third period.
- Oskars Bartulis was a -1 because of a poor play by Lukas Krajicek, but other than that he was stellar. The decision to keep Parent in the lineup as long as he was looks even dumber now.
- The Flyers' patience with the puck in the offensive zone might not work as well against the Blackhawks as it did previously in these playoffs.
In the first two games, the Blackhawks held serve. The ball is in the Flyers court now.
After the jump, questions answered, comment of the night, and your thoughts on the Flyers' first losing streak since this.
Questions Answered:
- Can the Flyers slow the Hawks down? Yes. Very few odd-man rushes.
- Does Michael Leighton bounce back? Hell yes. He was very solid, and barely to blame for either goal.
- How effective is Carcillo in his return? Not at all, really. Carcillo leveled a linemate and caused a Chicago power play. He was on the third line by mid game.
- Can the top line (on either team) generate some offense? Gagne scored on the power play, but that was it.
- How long does it take for Chicago to be handed a power play? About fifteen minutes.
- The defense is better, right? Hell yes. All thanks to Bartulis, who played 10:45 tonight. In other terms, that's 10:04 more than Parent could manage in Game 1.
Comment of the Night:
Latvian sea wolves are the very best kind of sea wolves. --HuckNZ
Go Flyers.
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The Carcillo hit on Carter was just absolutely embarrassing.
by Parduno on Jun 1, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
1987
I’m sick of rooting for teams who are good enough to get to the big dance but not good enough to take home the prize. It was understandable in the 1980s because the Oilers were just so damn good, but then in 1997 and again now?
Granted, Chicago got lucky in the 3rd. That game should have gone to OT at the very least.
I’m looking forward to seeing what the Flyers can do on good ice, but I’m also worried about what the Hawks will do on good ice.
I’m not even expecting the Cup now. I just want to win a game. The Flyers have not won a game in the Finals since 1987, hence my subject header.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Granted, Chicago got lucky good goaltending in the 3rd. That game should never have gone to OT at the very least.
Fixed!
by spokeinthebandwagon on Jun 1, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Chicago did get good goaltending in the 3rd.
But yes, they DID get lucky in the 3rd too. If the shoe had been on the other foot and the Flyers won after getting outshot 15-4 in the 3rd period, you’d say the Flyers got lucky, wouldn’t you?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I don’t know that Detriot team was pretty damn good, what’d they have like 90 hall of famers on it or something like that…
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 1, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They were chanting Sweep after the game. I heard a brief outbreak during the game.
I really, really, really hate Chicago.
They broke out the S word during the game… Game 2? With a team that’s superstitious enough that their captain wouldn’t touch the Campbell Bowl? Oooh, not cool. I’m not generalizing the people posting here to be included in that, but to those specific individuals who did that, that’s bad form.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 1, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Alcohol breeds confidence
Confidence breeds stupidity.
IMO, the Hawks will win the series, but a sweep? HIGHLY doubtful. The Flyers are MUCH better than that.
by Ban on Jun 1, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
let me be the first to say
I’m embarrassed that those people are fans of my team. They don’t represent what we want our fandom (or any fandom) to be.
As would I if those were my fans. Now obviously Flyers fans can’t chant “Sweep!” after Game 3 (unless they are intoxicated to the point of utter delirium; in which case, they have much bigger problems), but if Flyers fans chant “Stanley Cup!” or something if the Flyers win Game 3, then I’d be embarrassed as well.
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Was at the game
And i didn’t hear this AT ALL, Ii can only think if it did happen it was a small group and yes drunk.
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So AFTER the game
a few drunk fans in one corner section or in the stairwells chanted sweep on the way out in their exuberance and we’re apologizing on behalf of Chicago fans for THAT???!!! Well EXCUUUUUSSSSEEEEE me. Pfffft.
I didn’t hear it at all and I don’t even remember any chants of sweep against the Sharks until AFTER game 4 at Chicago. Much ado about nothing here it seems.
After the game, it was pretty widespread (and probably congregating around me as I was wearing orange). I’m not asking anyone to apologize. I’m just informing our fans, and hoping the non-existent hockey gods come down hard on your necks.
Good reply
I mean if I went to Philly in a Hawks Jersey and the Flyers won 2 games and the WORST I could say about the fans is they chanted “sweep”…..I’d feel pretty lucky I think.
Easy reply to the hockey Gods thing…..you touched it after you beat Montreal! There are little sins and BIG ones…..
Just sayin…
We have to deal with it all the time
With regard to our fans. See some of your fans coming on here and calling our traveling fans all douchebags. It would seem that some of you need to grow a thicker skin when it comes to these things. If it doesn’t apply to you, why get upset about it?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I have to say
I didn’t see MANY Flyers fans around…….but the ones I did meet and talked to seemed really great. Game 1 between periods at the bar I wanted to learn more about your goalie situation, and they patiently explained it to me.
That
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and I don’t believe Chicago could do that to you guys. How’d it happen to the Sharks? I have no idea. But I still genuinely believe in you guys, and I think you could do what we couldn’t.
by JenLovesHockey on Jun 1, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I have not figured out how we are down 2-0 either. Just like it felt like the Sharks were better than a 4-0 sweep, it feels like the Flyers are better than a 2-0 series deficit.
My proposed answer: Niemi and the way the Blackhawks score. They score in bunches a lot and I think that can often leave the impressions Sharks fans were left with and Flyers fans have now.
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Baseball analogy cause I'm a pucktard
It’s like having Kyle Kendrick who in this imaginary scenario gives up either a dinger or perhaps allows a run to score on his own fielding error, but yet still holds the Yankees or Red Sox to 2 runs while the offense, displaying plate discipline no less, against a pitcher similar to Mike Pelfrey strands men on the bases about every inning and strikes out only 2 or 3 times. Well you have to tip your cap to the opposing pitcher’s skill and some good defensive play behind him but remember some of the scoring opportunities ended with hard hit balls right to fielders or balls that just barely went foul.
The Hawks are simply an extremely talented team, not that the Sharks lack talent, and nor do the Flyers, but they are incredibly gifted. We’ll see who wins the battle in the end, in terms of character, though. In my mind, this series is far from over.
by JenLovesHockey on Jun 1, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
funny to see Sharks’s fans throw their hat in Philly’s ring. Are you secretly Jeremy Roenick? Philly has played the Hawks much tighter and has been more physical than the Sharks. The Hawks have not dominated a game in this series like they did in game 2 (and 4) against the Sharks. It’s great to play a team with the heart and fight that the Flyers have (not like that team from Silicon Valley)
Philly has played the Hawks much tighter and has been more physical than the Sharks. The Hawks have not dominated a game in this series like they did in game 2 (and 4) against the Sharks.
Agree with everything you say there, but I would edit “game 2 (and 4)” to “game 2 and 4.” Sharks were indeed outplayed.
It’s great to play a team with the heart and fight that the Flyers have (not like that team from Silicon Valley)
I get it. But it’s not that the Sharks lacked heart. They just didn’t show “enough” of it in the WCF, in my opinion. They didn’t have as much heart and grit as the Philly team does, which is a huge reason why I respect the Philly team, without actually being Jeremy Roenick.
by JenLovesHockey on Jun 1, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that JR would be characterized as a Flyers supporter … considering he spent 8 seasons with the Hawks!!! You must have forgotten that … but sure, being on the Sharks squad could make the man kinda bitter too.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 2, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No one has forgotten, but thanks for the sarcasm
JR has done a few interviews during the previous rounds in which he said that he was cheering for the Sharks against the Hawks. He then said that he would side with Philly if the Hawks played PHI in the Cup Final. It’s all HERE
Cool
Thanks for the link – hadn’t caught that little tidbit. I also notice he says that the Hawks win out. I think he’s just an underdog supporter.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He just hasnt gotten over the old days
the days when our old owner Bill Wirtz wouldnt pay his players. He would just let them go, or trade them. This is what happened to Roenick, and he just can’t get over it, even though we gave him a damn Heritage Night. Our current owner, Rocky Wirtz, has even apologized to all the old players that were treated so poorly. Roenick just likes playing the martyr
How'd it happen to the Sharks?
hmmmmm…maybe Thornton being -11 and Hossa being +11 in the playoffs along with a hotter goaltender, more team depth and a better coaching job might be good starting places for research?
Aaah yes, Thornton -11 and Hossa +11. I was already aware of those stats, but thank you kindly for the reminder.
by JenLovesHockey on Jun 1, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well besides the hotter goal tender, I don’t think any of those should be a surprise. But one thing this playoffs that rather amazes me is that teams that the Hawks have beaten walk away from games and series thinking they should have won or that they are the better team and the Hawks have somehow lucked into miracles. Your post above was one of very few that actually gives the Hawks talent credit. even though it’s still surrounded by the “I can’t believe” and “I still don’t know how” wrappings. THIS year we just have a kick butt team that has enough talent to do what it needs to do to win without anyone being able to stop them. It’s really as simple as that. It’s not a dynasty team. it doesn’t mean other teams aren’t excellent. Just means this year we have the talent, coaching, goal tending, heart and desire coming together to sweep the Sharks and be up 2-0 on the Flyers.so far.
Guess just looking for a little recognition of the job the team has done and how strong it is vs. “well, maybe if Carcillo hits Seabrook hard enough” type stuff.
You have great ears
I was at the game and didn’t hear it once.
You can sure as hell blame this one squarely on the shoulders of Michael Leighton.
Every skater in orange played the game they were supposed to play. Michael Leighton looked just as bad as he did on Saturday night.
Maybe, a decade or so from now, when the Flyers are once again in the finals, they’ll finally have a coach who actually uses his best goaltender in net for the entire series.
No you can't.
Stop. Just stop.
He let in 2 goals. On one he had no chance and on the other he was screened.
If your goalie lets in two goals, he gives you a chance to win.
Brian Boucher is coming off sprains to ligaments in both of his knees. Would he have done better tonight? Maybe, but probably not.
When Roy Halladay pitched a complete game the other week and lost 2-1, did you go around saying it was all his fault?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
HE LET IN THE SOFTEST GOAL OF THE PLAYOFFS TO LOSE THE GAME.
MICHAEL LEIGHTON SUCKS.
That’s all there is to it. He’s an abomination in net, he got bailed out by quick whistles twice in the first period. He left rebound after rebound in the crease and the slot and it took a miracle of spectacular play by the defense to save his AHL caliber ass.
News flash: The Flyers only scored once.
Even if Leighton hadn’t let in that goal – which he told Steve Coates he couldn’t see, due to a screen by Matt Carle – it’s 1-1 and we have OT. And there’s no guarantee that the Flyers win in OT. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t.
I’m not saying Michael Leighton is Bernie Hextall or whatever. But it’s not fair to pin the loss on him when he did his job (i.e., let in 2 goals and gave his team a chance). The offense only scored once.
You can’t expect the Flyers to win every game 1-0.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He also didn’t see most of the goals in game 1. Why? Because he says he loses sight of the puck on then goes down. WHICH EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS.
Thats why Chicago just keeps firing high at his glove hand, and pucks just keep sailing over his shoulder into the net.
If he would STAND THE FUCK UP he’d have stopped half of the seven goals he’s allowed this series.
His job is to keep the Flyers in the game. He did not do that. He moronically covered a puck he had plenty of time to move if he would leave his fucking crease at any time other than intermissions, resulting in a defensive zone draw that the Flyers can’t win. Then he fluttered at a puck in the air, allowing Chicago to maintain posession. Then he dropped two consecutive rebounds in the slot, and the third shot beat him HIGH TO THE GLOVE SIDE.
And 28 seconds later allowed a goal that I could’ve saved, because I wouldn’t be fucking terrible enough to drop to my knees if I lost sight of a puck at the blue line.
A lot of butterfly goalies would go down on shots they can’t see. Leighton’s problem is that he hasn’t go a great glove hand like a lot of the better butterfly goalies. I think by being deeper in the crease, this is exposed more than normal. His rebounds are also nothing to write home about. However, despite these fallacies, he was not the reason for the loss.
I also don’t think Boosh is ready to go. The goal he gave up in game 1 wasn’t entirely on him, but he didn’t push to follow the puck which worries me and suggests he hasn’t got all his strength back
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Flyers lose 2 to 1 and Leighton didn’t keep them in the game?
Look I get it, you hate Leighton and that’s cool but please keep the rational for hating him in the terms of the plausible. And you don’t have to but it might give you more credibility if you give a little, just a tiny smidgent of credit when its due. Leighton held it together on the P/K all night. last night
And it would be nice if the Flyers would have taken advantage of that large hole that exists just to the right of Niemi’s blocker… If you want to blame something for the loss that is
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
by PatterPoet95 on Jun 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
From a Chicago point of view
Having been to most of the home playoff games and watched Renne, Nabakov, Luongo, Niemi and Leighton. Compared to the others, I’d be very happy to see Leighton the whole series from what I saw game 1. NOT saying he lost game 2, but I also wouldn’t put the hopes of the Flyers SCF chances on his ability to shut down the Hawks. That’d be a tough road to the Cup vs Chicago this year. Boosh on the other hand…..little more afraid there.
Hardly Sucks
To say that Leighton sucks is absurd….granted he’s not Bernie and I haven’t given him the credit that others have because i believe the defensive system philly plays makes him statistically better than he is BUT….he has been for the most part sound and that is all you need. If you paid attention you would’ve notice Niemi left a ton of rebounds also but like Philly in other rounds Chicago did well to take away those opportunities….and the second goal….come on!!! I’ve played goal for 30 years and a shot by the side of the head while being screened is very tough to stop for anyone…..ESPECIALLY a butterfly goaltender. You can blame the forwards also for not getting the puck up…just about every shot was pad level…so don’t blame one guy you win as a team you lose as a team!
Mike, don’t even waste your time. Seriously.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 1, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ve disapeared for 6 weeks of a great playoff run, now that were down 2-0 your back. haha. LIke PIerre says, you cant be too worried untill you get an L at home
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 1, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not our MarioD
I have had my battles with MarioD and we all know my feelings about him. But that is not MarioD just same troll trying to get you mad. Ban MarioDi the real MarioD can stay. I am sticking up for you here buddy. I know you are too busy negoiating Malhotra’s contract and eating your words to stick up for yourself.
by chrislanci on Jun 1, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly Mario, Boucher tends to go down in the butterfly earlier than Leighton in most scenarios (b/c you can’t prove all). And you are complaining about something that most goalies do when they lose site of the puck, go down in the butterfly and stay as big as possible in their upper body.
Obviously he has an issue with rebounds, but this going down thing your selling is not really a strong argument.
Because you don’t discuss. You pontificate and yell at people. I think your head would explode if Boucher were in the net, JVR was out of the lineup, and the Flyers got shelled because you wouldn’t know who to point the finger at.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
the funny thing is that the “troll” mariod" is better at being “mariod” than the actual is.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 1, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
has JenLovesHockey ever told you guys about SJ's "anti-bandwagon" fans?
The SJ fans/locals who only show up in droves when the sharks lose to rail on them? Well this guy seems like a one-man anti-bandwagon…like all the hoards from SJ all wrap up into one supposed Flyers fan.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He is an extremely intelligent hockey fan, just very stubborn and set in his often times pessimistic beliefs. If there is a player/coach he does not like (see JVR, Leighton, and Laviolette) he will illustrate their every little fault and beat the dead horse to no end.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor."
If the Flyers had Manny Malhotra, sent JVR to the AHL for the season, kept Randy Jones, waived Powe, didn’t fire John Stevens, traded Ray Emery and just went with Brian Boucher for the year, gave Pronger the captaincy and played the trap…then he would be the absolute no. 1 fan.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 1, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That was the ‘softest goal’?? Damn man, that was a laser. I’m not sure any goalie in the league could have stopped that one. Just a well delivered shot by a player who shouldn’t be doing that kind of thing. Similar to Bet’s goal in game one.
Agreed.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It really was nice to see Oskars Bartulis get 10:45 of ice time. Parent only did that three times all playoffs, once in the 6-0 win over Montreal, once in the 73+ minute OT loss to Boston in Game 1, and Game 1 against NJ.
It was also more than Parent saw in the last three games combined, which really begs the question why he wasn’t in for Game 4 against Boston (if not sooner).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 1, 2010 12:55 AM EDT reply actions
I definitely think this is one point we can question Lavy’s coaching. How can he miss this?
I don’t agree with what SanFillipo said about Parent, I don’t have a link but I read it on FlyersGoalScoredBy
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Well, I don’t agree with what ASF wrote, but I don’t think it warranted the response from FGSB either. I pretty much just brushed both off.
But yeah, that’s definitely a knock on Laviolette’s coaching.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 1, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah it’s something in between haha.
The only real explanation is the one you posited (word of the day) about Parent on the PK. Its not good enough though
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OT, but when did you get in trouble for watching streams?
If the answer is between Game 5 of the ECF and Game 1 of the SCF, I urge you to get to a place and/or computer where you can watch the game!
Maybe you watching was our good luck charm?
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor."
Nah it was after Game 2. No bones on the luck thing unfortunately. But I’m going to skip during the middle of the day now to watch them. How many days until Game 3?
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This is where I really wish I could do time conversions in my head.
Game 3 starts 48 hours after today’s game did. It is Wednesday here in the States, but I think we had this discussion before and I think it would be Thursday for you, am I right?
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Yeah. I just want to know how many days away for you guys cos I can do the rest. I’ve been caught out before trying to do it all on my own thats all haha
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Saved my sanity while I was living in Melbourne.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 1, 2010 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know the Flyers have gotten beaten in Games 1 & 2 but some of the images of Chicago have got me asking:
Where is the Hockey God Karma? We all know what happened in 97 with Billy Penn. Look what Chicago has done:
- Mural with Toews & the Cup
- Blackhawks helmet on Artie the Lion outside of Art Institute of Chicago
- Blackhawks jersey & skates on Micheal Jordan statue
- Dyed a fountain red
"Can Geico really save you 15% or more on your car insurance? Is Mike Green really a forward in defenseman's clothing"
That wasn’t dye, that was the blood of Cabbies from Kane punching them in the face.
This station is non-operational.
I'll admit.
That was funny. Old news, but funny nonetheless.
See if you can guess what I am now.
by IndianHeadCrest on Jun 1, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure that mini William Penn is still on the Comcast tower…
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 1, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna get roasted probably, but what do 2, 3, 4 have to do with the taunting the hockey gods? As for number 1, I’m more offended that the artist painted Toews as a hog-hybrid (maybe a tribute to the city’s slaughterhouse history?).
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If putting a Flyers jersey on William Penn caused us to get swept in ‘97, then putting a Blackhawks jersey on Michael Jordan should’ve screwed you guys.
Oh, and please put titles on your posts so we know you’re from SCH. Thanks.
I really do find the differing comment styles in various blogs fascinating.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 1, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha. I have seen from blogs where they literally reprimand you for not using the subject title on every comment you make.
Unless someone is posting a huge picture, I am not crazy about the subject header and when I am on blogs where that is the norm, I just use it as the first part of my first sentence or something.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor."
I try to go with whatever seems to be used by the locals, but default to starting thoughts in the header, because of SCH. Hell, email subject lines are usually the first half of a sentence, too, these days.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It makes it so much easier to have titles
when you want to hold that one thing that someone said in that one game thread ages ago over their head….for the rest of their life.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"If putting a Flyers jersey on William Penn caused us to get swept in ‘97"
I would start by question the “if” conditional statement there.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Well yeah but
you picked up the Prince of Wales trophy. i swear I heard the Hockey Gods scream when that happened.
I don’t know about anyone else but I would love to hit Patrick Kane in that pic for this thread….Hossa too (front running turd. Choke and lose another Cup ass)
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
yeah, i was going to say
I believe it was Carcillo who laid the clean hit on Carter. Which would explain while Kane looks like he might choke on his mouth guard and Brouwer’s jaw is on the floor.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Coburn
I’m surprised he wasn’t mentioned here in the recap, i thought he was your stone-cold BEST player on the ice tonight. He single-handedly prevented a third goal from going in on a breakaway by laying out – among many, many other things….
Let's not get pessimistic
Last season there was this other Pennsylvania team (which shall remain unnamed) that came back from a 2-0 deficit to win one of the rounds in the playoffs that was rather important. So surely we can too…
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 1, 2010 5:10 AM EDT reply actions
I’ve watched every playoff run since 1973. To put it briefly, I have never seen a Flyers team in the postseason with this much resilience – I haven’t.
While they were winning their Stanley Cups in the 70’s, the only deficit in games they faced in any round was 0-1. They were tied or ahead in games in every series until they won their Cups (of course, this is the preferred method of progressing in a series, but it isn’t a given that it will happen). The only team in playoffs past that even remotely reminds me of this team was the Flyers team who played in the SCF in 1987 – and, frankly, I feel better about this year’s team. The 1987 run fell one game short; I still think this year’s team can end up with a better result than that year’s did.
It mildly amuses me to see some of the pessimism right now; however, I understand why it’s around – part of it comes from being a Philadelphia sports fan in general, the rest from being a Flyers fan in particular. “Fan” is short for “fanatic” – such people feel both disappointment and happiness very keenly. We’ve certainly had enough of the first; we’re quite ready to feel the second.
To many of you here, the 35-year wait is quite unpleasant and discouraging, but ultimately an abstraction; for some of us here, it has been an exasperating and all-too-vivid reality. (Don’t get me wrong here – I am quite envious of you who haven’t had to personally endure the full gap of disappointment from the 1976 SCF onwards. Not having your favorite team win, regardless of one’s age, is heart-wrenching; having active memories of each and every effort that has fallen short over three-and-a-half decades is somewhat worse.)
So, with that in mind, despite my being a Philly sports fan in general, despite my being a Flyers fan in particular, I am still very confident that this team can come back. What’s even better is that I know that the team and the coach are at least as confident as I am too, probably more so. Past teams, if they had played this year, would have immediately folded against the deficit in the Boston series. They also would have been more rattled by the blowout that Montreal delivered in game 3 in the last round. This team knocked both challenges aside. This team thrives on adversity – many Philly teams in the past have faced adversity, but this team seems to come alive the most when they have taken a few knocks. I’m sticking confidently and wholeheartedly with this team – frankly, this team has outright earned the devotion.
So, I am really looking forward to Wednesday and beyond in this series. This team has the opportunity to display their skills at resurrection again. The wins are coming for the Flyers.
One of my friends was stating his opinion about one of his favorite professional sports teams (namely, that they were going to win it all despite their low seeding) – we scoffed at what seemed like his Pollyanna-like optimism. His response: “I’m right until I’m wrong.” Well, you already know what happened…his team won it all that year – he was right to be so confident.
The Flyers are coming back in this series, and I’m right until I’m wrong.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 6:37 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Right on brother
I can easily see this thing at 2-2 going back.
Well done.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Thank you! :)
This is going to be a series – a good series.
Bring on Wednesday.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
After going to bed furious last night...
I woke up this morning feeling even more determined than ever. I’m with you, I’ve never seen a Flyers team fight like this one has. We’ve still got a chance to turn this around. The 3rd period last night proved that we know what we need to do, and we’re capable of doing it. Just gotta play that way for a solid 60 minutes, and repeat for as many games as it takes!
That's it! :)
The Flyers proved they can play the way they need to for 20 minutes last night – turn it into 60 and we’ll have something great, just like you said.
GO FLYERS!!!!
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bartulis / Chicago Fans
Totally unfair for Puck Daddy to single out Bartulis for a dishonorable mention this morning. The guy played fantastic, and I only wish Lavy had him out on the ice more, instead of Parent. His -1 does not reflect what he did on the ice last night.
As far as Chicago fans, all through the playoffs, I’ve been reading a large number of blogs and fan comments of NJ, Boston, and Montreal, and now Chicago. I wouldn’t have believed it, but Chicago by far takes the cake as the fans with the least class if you read through their comments on their boards. Philly fans have have a long standing bad rep, but if you read the comments on BSH through the playoffs, I think it would be hard to find much besides knowledgeable fans and a healthy respect for the abilities of our opponents. Keep up the good work, guys!
Lets not be so short-sighted. The Montreal fans (not their internet ones, the real life ones) were still the worst. I’ve really had no major gripes with the Chicago fans to this point.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
Our Barty Love seems to be blinding us to the fact that his week clear attempt kept the puck in the zone on the first goal. It was his only real noticeable mistake of the night, but it certainly mattered.
Meh
Do you expect your #6 defenseman to go completely mistake-free?
Maybe my standards have been lowered by the goatfuck on ice that is Ryan Parent, but Bartulis was way above expectations for me.
No, I thought he had a great night. I also think he messed up a clear, and that the resulting zone pressure led to a goal. Still, he gave us 10 minutes of good time.
Fair enough.
I generally think it’s too results-oriented to hold people more accountable for mistakes that lead to goals than for ones that don’t, so I automatically cringe when I see a “he made the mistake that led to the goal” kind of comment. (Basically: whether the goalie makes the save or not shouldn’t affect your opinion about how bad the first guy’s mistake was.)
But “he had a great night, made one mistake, and it happened to lead a goal, and that sucks” is perfectly fair.
I’d have to watch it again – I did point that out in the game thread – but I wonder if the winger still should have been able to get it out of the zone.
Either way, he got the puck up the boards, but he’s not going to be able to clear it from behind the net. He didn’t “fail to clear”, he failed to hit the breakout. And that’s something I’m much more willing to excuse than Krajicek whiffing while trying to clear the rebound when he should have been boxing out Hossa instead.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
if you watch the replay, the chicago defenseman actually fell on the first clearing attempt, but got completely lucky that the puck stayed in the zone. The winger was actually in to deep or thought the puck was going to go by the falling guy (don’t quite remember which), but the winger should have probably made the play. All in all, it was actually a quite unlucky sequence of events for the Flyers, so pinning anything on the 3rd pairing isn’t altogether fair.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 1, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just wish Bartulis and Krajicek switched spots, cause Hossa couldn’t do anything against our Wolf last night.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
we take a lot of flak
for swearing so much and the crude jokes, i’ll concede this. But we also do a decent job of talking nuances of hockey and a fantastic job with stats. We also try to do a good job of policing our trolls on other sites, one of the reasons you see enough of us over here.
If you look at the other Flyers fans who have been over at SCH this series, when they’re respectful and add to the conversation (which many have, substantially) we’re very welcoming. And if you make a bad impression at first, but take the hazing in stride and stick around, we’ll give you a second chance and you’ll earn our respect. But if you walk into SCH not knowing what to expect (the cussing and the off-the-chart levels of sarcasm especially), we might very well eat you alive.
but i don’t think it all simply boils down to class vs. no-class.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of like good and bad Philly fans. You likely came on here expecting to find a very different class of fan based on everything you’ve heard and you’ve found some who live up to the name to be sure, but largely we are very knowledgeable, respectful people…just like the majority of Philly fans in general.
No one likes to be generalized, with regard to “bandwagon fan,” “Santa-hating fan” or whatever.
I wish we could avoid it in all walks of life, as this group think often leads to more dangerous things, like genocide and the like.
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that’s fair. The other thing i forgot to mention is that our threads get a TON more hits, and part of this is just attributed to more commentators (and a part of this attributed to some of us not having lives…). The third period thread yesterday alone got 1000+ hits. So with all those comments, you’re going to see a lot more…..let’s just say “variety” in what you read.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
agony watching them lose but the sun came out and they still can win this
in fact, how much better will it be coming back to win the Cup in 6
AWESOME!
Because 4 was not realistic
Always wanted to win it in 6 anyway. Richie lifting the cup in front of a crazy sea of orange. That’s what dreams are made of.
(that’s right, remain optimistic)
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 1, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
And really is it that hard to imagine us holding all our home games (considering we’ve only lost one home game all playoffs) and sneaking by a win in another tight battle in Chicago in Game 5?
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 1, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Had the same dream! :)
GO FLYERS!!!!
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Caption Fail
about 12 hours ago: Chicago Blackhawks right wing Tomas Kopecky (82), of Slovakia, confronts Philadelphia Flyers left wing Daniel Carcillo (13) after Kopecky knocked down Flyers center Jeff Carter (17) in the first period of Game 2 of the NHL hockey Stanley Cup finals Monday, May 31, 2010, in Chicago. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)
Kopecky didn’t knock down Carter, Carcillo did. It was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. There are quite a few images seared into my memory from this game. One of the best ones was Carcillo taking out Carter, another one was Carcillo sitting in the box with Richards, just annoying him to the point of insanity. Another one was watching Ben Eager, BEN EAGER do a little skip celebration after scoring a little wrister that turned out to be the GW.
Anyway, I’m not here to gloat or anything. Lot’s of hockey to be played. I just wanted to point out that your caption is ridiculously flawed to the point that I wonder if the person who posted even watched the game.
I’m pretty sure from the wording that the caption was from the AP.
And if that was one of the funniest things you’ve ever seen, I suggest you start getting out some more.
This was posted over on SCH by Hawkjaw … I think fans of both teams will be able to appreciate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zjzxP3utNM
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yes, the caption itself DID come from the AP….sigh. that means someone got paid to write that. so sad.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Pshaw.
Carcillo was still complaining about the crap-ass “unsportsmanlike conduct” call he got slapped with, and Richie was calmly listening – not on the “point of insanity” – so that Carbomb would vent some and not do something stupid on the ice. Good play.
I always liked Ben so I definitely give him props for the goal. Learned all his skills in Philly. :)
And frankly, you must not watch much hockey if you’ve never seen players run into each other before. Carter and Carcillo were both targeting Kopecky, and he side-stepped between them. An oops, no doubt – but “funniest thing” you’ve ever seen? Really, dude??
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, you could make the case that I'm exaggerating...
And that isn’t THE funniest thing I’ve ever seen. If you want to knit- pick and scrutinize all the comedic moments I’ve ever seen in my life ever, Carcillo running into Carter might not make the top ten. You’re right.
But! Considering, he was brought in- I guess- to be some kind of game changer and held in such high regard as to sit JvR. And what does he do with the opportunity? Get all kinds of wound up by Thomas Kopecky- of all people. As it turns out, his biggest hit of night was leveled against one his teammates and one of your top forwards. He’s an absolute train wreck. Seeing him get that worked up and taking a run against Kop, only to steam roll Carter, was an absolute classic.
Now, it might not be the funniest thing I’ve ever seen, but I was highly amused. The more Carcillo the better.
One has to wonder just what in the hell Laviolette was thinking. Did he forget that this is the SCF? You sat JvR in favor of the Car Bomb? I mean really- were you trying to go down 2-0? Congrats- it worked.
Yeah - I make the case you're exaggerating.
I also claim that Laviolette got exactly what he wanted by inserting Carcillo for JVR – a tighter, rougher game. Playing run-and-gun plays right into the Hawks hand; they definitely have more skating and scoring than the Flyers. The solution? ADD THE GRIT (with a nod to the Habs for trying that method in a different way in the dressing room hallway). Increasing the hitting, the chippiness, and the scrums for pucks brings the Flyers even – if not better than – the Hawks, and gives them a chance to win the game. JVR was skating around like he was lost in Game 1; he hasn’t looked that star-struck since his professional debut with the Phantoms (which I witnessed personally, so you understand I do like the kid’s play). In a 2-1 game, the Flyers have more of a chance to win than in a wide-open 6-5 game, and Carcillo was key in bringing about that change of pace. One more thought – the first line ALL SEASON LONG was Richie, Gags, and Carbomb, and it was pretty darn successful, so why mess with it now??? Admittedly, that causes a lineup issue, because with Carter returning you certainly couldn’t justify sitting Ville Leino, who was his injury replacement and has played his ass off. So someone had to sit, and JVR wasn’t doing the job. The more Carcillo the better – absolutely correct, since he plays FLYERS hockey, 100% effort every shift, and inspires his team to do the same.
Laughing at the collision – I got it, you’re just being smug. Fine. When Carcillo connects on a hit with Campbell or Kane behind your net and destroys them, I’ll be the one laughing in retribution.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know Skags
that sounded an awfully lot like gloating to me….
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at me posting more hyperbolic nonsense:
http://windycityhockey.blogspot.com/2010/04/to-catch-predator-pekka-rinne.html
Stay classy Admiral!
There’s a difference between gloating on an opponent’s blog, and writing bad humor on your own. BTW, I don’t use hyperbole once in that post, so you may need to get yourself a dictionary before you try to venture out of your 8th grade reading level.
OK Admiral.
It’s wrong for me to point out something factually incorrect on an opponents website but OK for me to make light of adults seeking sexual pleasure from children while slandering a member of an opposing team in one of the worst possible ways imaginable and chalk it up to bad humor… hmmm.
I think I’ll avoid taking your advice, you model of sportsmanship, on anything. But thanks.
Good luck the rest of the way, Flier fans!
Nah... If I really wanted to gloat, I could have left no with you doubt
Like I said:
“I just wanted to point out that your caption is ridiculously flawed to the point that I wonder if the person who posted it even watched the game.”
I was annoyed by the caption, that’s all.
I get that about the caption,
but since it came from AP, the most i blame i’d lay out is “bad editing” or something. I know you weren’t trying to gloat, but my point was that if I was a Flyers fan, that’s probably how I would have taken it. And probably not have taken it kindly at that.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 1, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
I yelled at the TV for the whole third period on this exact point.
They did it in the first game – I don’t know why they didn’t continue it in the second one.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Go ahead...
Tell me only two teams have ever pulled off a comeback from this situation. I’ve heard that one before! LET’S GO FLYERS!!!!!
I thought it was a decent game last night. Carcillo in for JVR didn’t seem to do much, but JVR hasn’t done anything all playoffs (game 7 vs. Boston aside)
I thought Bartulis was ok and he made a pretty nice play on Hossa I think at one point.
Off topic, but why is Mariod, now MarioDi?
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Mix it up
Gange-Richards-Briere- speaks for itself
Leno-Carter-JVR- this line could be so sick
Carcillo-Giroux-Asham- Giroux could put it on net and let Carcillo and Asham go crazy (and maybe through off Neimi????) Come one, you know that would be great
Laperriere-Betts-Powe- I really don’t care if Hartnell sits- actually I do care- SIT HIM
Timonen-Coburn
Pronger-Carle
Bartulis-Krajicek- THANK GOD BARTULIS IS BACK IN, Parent will be good, I just think he needs this off season
I'd go with...
Gagne-Richards-Carcillo (worked well against Boston & Montreal)
Hartnell-Briere-Leino (has been amazing since Gags came back and Hartnell moved down)
Carter-Giroux-Asham (though I REALLY miss JVR here, I guess Carter has to be somewhere)
Lappy-Betts-Powe
And Bartulis >> Parent. Good call.
Hmm, I would think...
Gagne-Richards-Carcillo (nightmare for Chicago’s small guys, as long as Carcillo hits his opponents)
Hartnell-Briere-Leino (Line has been playing well. Hartnell actually is playing well this playoffs, outside of a few games. I know surprising)
Carter-Giroux-JVR (I think this line would actually do well. Carter always shoots. Giroux always finds the open/any man, and can break ankles of his opponents. JVR knows how to go to the net, and has good hands to put pucks away. The only down side with this line is defense. Possibly could see Asham instead of JVR as an acceptable alternative)
Lappy-Betts-Asham (tough line. If Asham goes in line 3, then Powe or Nodl. Powe has been good. Nodl when he played in boston series was a beast in a few games. Again, can sub any of the 2)
Agree on your defense. Maybe move Bartulis around to pair with Pronger a bit.
I was willing to bench the Scott Hartnell we had in the regular season, but I’m not willing to bench him now. Sorry. I’m not sure if Carcillo or JVR will play Wednesday, since Lavi isn’t always predictable, but I don’t think there’s any way Hartnell is sitting.
Ooops, that was supposed to be a reply to Philly C. Sorry guys.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 1, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know man, I certainly wouldn’t say one of the better forwards. I forget who was rushing the puck but of course what does Scotty do- barrel right into the net and cause an outside the zone faceoff. I his hands of steel- its just not working for him anymore
I get what you’re saying though about that big of a change in the scf, but I just don’t see him contributing much at all. And lets see what that Lenno Carter JVR line can do, I just think it would be sweet.
I’m not worried about Hartnell’s hands not having a proper scoring touch, I’m concerned about losing his grit and physicality. JVR can’t win the board battles that Hartnell is winning right now, he can’t get back and break up a play as well as the much-improved Hartnell can at the moment (not that I’m saying he’s an exceptional two way guy, but he’s way better than JVR). What happens away from the puck can be just as important as what happens with the puck itself, and it shouldn’t be overlooked. The hole left by benching this version of Scott Hartnell cannot be filled by JVR.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
plus, it’s 2 games into the SC final. No sense in messing with chemistry now.
Dance with what brought you.
Flyers haven’t been killed yet in either game. Taking Parent out was needed, but other than that, you gotta win with what you got.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 1, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
How can you kill goalie without being penalized? … Whoops! I asked that aloud? My bad!
….
I hope you realize I wasn’t being serious. Ehm, anyway… Last night put me in the biggest depression and dejection since we lost the Game 3 to Boston. Not gonna lie, I went to bed at 6 in the morning in tears and couldn’t get a decent sleep because of the nightmares I was having (going through the game again, again and again). How pathetic is that?? Seriously!
So I woke up after 5 hours of this awkward sleep… and I woke up with very similar attitude that ‘Orange and Black Forever’ presented here earlier today. The 09/10 Flyers showed me that I shouldn’t give up on them quickly. Even though they seemed to be in the deepest hole they always managed to climb back and surprise me in the best way imaginable. So I’m not gonna whine anymore, I’m not gonna whimper how unfair the first two games were, how we could have won both of them and blah blah blah… I’m looking forward to the Orange Crush, NO Chelsea Dagger and no annoying sound of the puck that hits the glass (seriously, what’s up with the boards in Chicago? That’s helluh annoying sound!). And yes, I believe we can turn things around. GO FLYERS!
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Thank you
for the mention. :)
This team is special – they’re going to reward our loyalty.
GO FLYERS!!!!
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 1, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So is there any chance, after this amazing post-season, that you switch your #1 team from the Lightning to the Flyers? Even though DTrain wouldn’t accept you….
Good question
But I don’t “switch” teams in dependence on how well are they doing. Even though I’m pretty amazed and in awe by the Flyers performance in this post-season I am simply not a person who would give up on the Lightning only because they suck.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Did you know?
Al Capone actually served his jail time in the Eastern State Pen in Philly? No Chicago jail could contain him, I guess.
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"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
It feels like to me that the Flyers are going to have to play perfect for about an entire 60 minutes just to win a game. Unless Chicago does something to shoot themselves in the foot, it seems as though any mistake the Flyers make will cost them big, and that is the problem. I don’t know if ANY team can play perfect for four games and get four wins.
Perhaps if they get some bounces it would be different. They really need to win these next two at home. You can’t expect a team to come back from an 0-3 deficit in the Stanley Cup Finals. Even splitting the home games would be bad news, having to win three straight and two of those in Chicago. While I believe anything is possible with this current team, Chicago is not Boston and the stakes are much higher now.
Carcillo
So, NBC totally tried to hype up last’s night game about Carcillo influencing how Chicago played their lines. Honestly, I thought he influenced them slightly (Seabrook and Keith never played against him)
What’s your opinion about it?
Do you think that he will do better in Philly (like he always does)?
Can Carcillo and Richards lay solid, viscious hits on Seabrook and/or Keith, possibly making them think twice the rest of the series?
Maybe it's just me
But I think those announcers have their heads up their asses, all the time.
They made a big deal about Seabrook/Keith not playing against Carcillo, saying dumb shit like “wow what an impact player blah blah blah…” I’m pretty sure that Quenneville didn’t play Seabrook/Keith against Carcillo, because why waste your best defensemen on the sack of shit that is Carcillo? His biggest impact was obviously when he decked Carter, and I’m pretty sure he got under his skin when they sat next to each other in the penalty box, more than he got any under of the Hawk’s skins other than Kopecky, who seemed to in fact play better.
Damn it! I need another beer!
by HumanAfterAll on Jun 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
got under Richard’s skin I mean
Damn it! I need another beer!
by HumanAfterAll on Jun 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree
Both about the announcers having their heads up their asses and about the matchup isn’t to avoid Carcillo; it’s to get them out there against someone else.
However, I do think Carcillo has more skill than you guys realize. He hasn’t shown it lately (which is why he got scratched, I guess), but he had a very nice regular season for us, doing more than just fighting and diving.
He has at least as much skill as Ben Eager.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I hear ya,
Can’t say I’ve had opportunities to watch the Flyers all season, if you would have watched Ben Eager during the season you’d probably say the same about him that I say about Carcillo, I was waiting for him to sit all season long, but as soon as playoffs came around, he turned into a hell of a scary thing to play against, even though aside from his game winner last night all he’s really done is run people (on the other team) into the third row.
Damn it! I need another beer!
by HumanAfterAll on Jun 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny thing about Carcillo
We all hated him too at the start of the year. Last year, he was exactly what you think he is — a hyperactive troublemaker who only got noticed when he was taking a bad penalty (which was often).
This year was a different story. He led the league in penalties drawn while cutting his own PIMs way down — even with that 29 PIM debacle in December — to be a big net positive in the penalty department. He scored a dozen goals and looked like a legitimately skilled hockey player at times — heck, there were stretches during the season where he was one of the best players on the ice.
We’ll see whether it’s a long-term change, but right now it feels kind of like Useful Carcillo is our secret weapon that nobody else has caught on to yet.
As I pointed out on another post, Carcillo has 6 points in 16 playoff games. Eager, Ladd, and Burish have six points combined in 44 playoff games. Carcillo brought his edge to the table; the nasty bits that motivate the best games out of his teammates. I don’t care if he doesn’t score – that emotion and effort inspires everyone else on the bench. (And he actually had a scoring chance every bit as good as Eager’s.)
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 1, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Seabrook and Kieth were liekly moved to match with hte line that hurt us more in Game 1
particularly after Philly downgraded the quality of Richards’ line by subing Carcillo into it
Confusion will be my epitaph.
Keith and Seabrook are not really the type to get rattled or scared to go into a corner for fear of a big hit. These are not your run-of-the-mill D-men. I don’t think either of these team’s D-men are that type.
You literally cannot get to the SCF if your top pair D get rattled from a couple hits. Someone would have figured that out in one of the last 3 rounds and exploited it (not to mention the Olympics and the rest of 2/7’s playing careers).
I waited all year for this?
Keith lost 7 teeth
and played the rest of the game and Seabrook got blindsided by a Wiz hit that knocked him out earning Wiz an 8 game or so suspension. Think either will be influenced in the SCF by a Carcillo hit to the point they will think twice the rest of the series being so close to something they have worked for all their lives? Keep Carcillo on line 1 flying around hitting trying to hit whatever moves a little. Should keep his linemates busy trying to cover for him..if they survive his hits. Good luck with that strategy.
I sure hope Carcillo stays on the first line...
Worked well enough all year, and in the first three rounds of the playoffs, didn’t it? You’ll be crying about his hits later tonight, I wager. (“Waah, that Carcillo plays mean!”) Frankly, if he wasn’t intimidating you Chicago … er, fans, you wouldn’t even mention him. Just like booing Pronger – because he scares the daylights outta you. Now, there IS an argument that moving Carter off the line with Richards and Gagne means that the primary scoring line is Briere’s, and therefore Keith and Seabiscuit would be covering that line. EVEN better! Now you have your top pairing not covering Richards and Gagne, in the effort to blanket Carter. Now Carcillo delivers the hit in the corner on Campbell, who coughs up the puck to a swooping Richards, who passes to Gagne at the top of the circle for a blistering one-timer that SCORES!!! :)
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
From a Chcago point of view...
Seabrook and Keith moved away from that line as Q knew it wouldn’t be the toughest line to defend.
If anyone cares to discuss with a Chicago troll
Can the Flyers slow the Hawks down? Yes. Very few odd-man rushes.
but can you do that while attacking at the same time? 2nd game 1st period we had 9 shots on goal which wasn’t bad D considering we had 2 PP’s. But then you only had 3 SOG. In period 3 you held us to 4, but we played “prevent defense” and self imposed penalty kill hockey for some reason. But in period2 where both teams seemed to open up, we scored 2. How do you score AND stop us at the same time in an open game situation?
Does Michael Leighton bounce back? Hell yes. He was very solid, and barely to blame for either goal.
Seemed the Eader goal was similar to the Sharp goal game 1. Looked to me both were potentially stoppable. Does he have a blind spot or weakness glove hand high in those situations?
How effective is Carcillo in his return? Not at all, really. Carcillo leveled a linemate and caused a Chicago power play. He was on the third line by mid game.
Will he play on the top line again? PLEEEEASEEEE!!!!
How long does it take for Chicago to be handed a power play? About fifteen minutes.
Maybe I mis-read the intent here, but are you REALLY saying the refs have favored the Hawks so far this series?
Just interested in the Flyer’s fans point of views on these.
Good luck in Game 3!
I'll give it the first shot
I can’t tell from your answers if you were aware that the questions are written prior to the game, and then these are the answers post-game. So the questions were written as a response to what was noticed in game one only.
but can you do that while attacking at the same time?
After the 6-5 sprint, we were just looking to see if we can keep the score low. While it was a loss, we kept goals and chances against to a noticeably smaller number compared to game 1. To answer your question, I’m the eternal optimist so I’m going to say yes, we can. Sometimes it’s not always pretty in terms, but this team has found a way to get it done to this point.
Does he have a blind spot or weakness glove hand high in those situations?
Not overly so, or at least nothing that I’ve noticed as being a horrible high glove issue. Were both stoppable – sure. But I don’t think either were just simply Leighton being slow/lazy with a save attempt and thus the reason for the goal. On Eager’s goal, part was being screened, the other part was the fact that Eager somehow sniped the top corner – something most of us (including Leighton) would have not imagined. He was expecting a low-to-mid shot, went down into the butterfly, but the shot just kept going up. So it goes.
Will he play on the top line again? PLEEEEASEEEE!!!!
As much as I really don’t mind Carcillo on the top line with Gagne and Richards (I’m actually a fan of that line), the line combos that ended the game seemed to have the most cohesion with creating chances. Carcillo remains the energy guy on the line with Asham and Giroux.
Maybe I mis-read the intent here, but are you REALLY saying the refs have favored the Hawks so far this series?
No, but after going the entire game 1 without a penalty, we merely assumed that there would be penalties called against the Flyers whether they were fully warranted or not. We were just preparing for a backlash of penalties just to “even things out”, so to speak.
"I did my walk of shame this morning and everyone was so much nicer," she said. "People were inviting me to parties at 9 a.m."
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