You think the 'Hawks hate Chris Pronger? via @euroflyers
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Why not :( he’s at least better looking than Carcillo…right? :(
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 11, 2010 8:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s not good looking enough for “Chrissy.” Geebus, is everyone 13 years old in this sport?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
They’re a bunch of twenty year old guys that spend all of their time together. So I’m going to go with yes.
I’m just glad to go back to liking Pronger for the dick things he says. He never cross checked the back of my neck, so I’m much more forgiving.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 11, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some might question whether or not that’s an advantage. Just saying.
Watch it with the jinxing!
Time for some thrillin' heroics!
by shinkicker on Jun 11, 2010 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
But Pronger wasn’t at all in their heads, right? ;-)
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
is this a mystery men reference? ben stiller tore it up in that flick hah, kel, not so much
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Jun 11, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think its a Simpsons reference. Tree House of Horror spoof of The Shining….The Shinnin’…shh! You wanna get sued boy!
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 11, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct!
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s already done that with another team.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Ah, so then his goal this year was simply to get under another team’s skin?
I know he’s won before, but I don’t believe that’s consolation to Philly, no?
No one gave the Flyers a shot at winning the Cup anyway, so the fact that they got as far as they did was an accomplishment, no? They did more than the Sharks could.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
This is pathetic. Simply pathetic. I wish the league would do something about this sort fo childish and insulting behavior. They won’t. But they should. This is the NHL not the NFL. It’s supposed to be a gentleman’s game.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Well, if they didn’t do anything about Patrick Kane punching out a cab driver, they are not going to do anything about this. Whatever. Karma is coming. Enjoy cap hell, Chicago!
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
gentleman's game?
dude, they ALLOW FIGHTING in hockey. not gentlemanly debates, we’re talking about fist hitting face.
that being said, who cares? it’s banter and it creates rivalry’s, something we can all benefit from…
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Jun 11, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Send me your address so I can buy you a clue.
Yes, gentleman’s game. Where they shake hands after a series no matter how dirty or gritty it is. No matter how many fights. There is supposed to be respect shown. That is the whole purpose of shaking hands afterward.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
And in the NFL, alot of individuals from opposing teams get together and pray after games… And they tend to go greet the other team after the game as well…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
have any of you considered the fact that........
many people that weren’t MEMBERS OF THE BLACKHAWKS were in the locker room that day. there’s no evidence that it was actually a member of the team or their staff. perhaps it was kane’s “famous cousin.”
by bangbangerang on Jun 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
-Winston Churchill
To be fair, Churchill probably didn’t have hockey in mind when he said this. But I still think it fits.
by ThinMountainAir on Jun 11, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
I still can't believe
all the crap the Blackhawks are saying after they won the Cup. You won the Cup, you don’t need to say anything!
Over/under on how many verbal shots the Blackhawks take at Pronger, the Flyers or Philadelphia at their parade?
To be fair
I seem to recall Rollins taking shots at the Mets at ours. These players are humans after all and a fair amount of them are probably stupid jerks. You knew the type in HS, right? Tough guy bully jock? I shudder to think how many of these a-holes I’ve unwittingly rooted for over the years.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
I didn't like when Rollins did that
You won the World Series. To me, that’s the ultimate shot you can take at someone.
I know what you mean. I’ve met some Philadelphia athletes over the past few years. Most were cool and down to earth. Some were the most arrogant a-holes you would ever meet.
I played football in high school and college. I know exactly what you mean when you say tough guy bully jock. Had to deal with them on the team but I didn’t have anything to do with them outside of football.
by 726 Forever on Jun 11, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
all the crap the Blackhawks are saying after they won the Cup. You won the Cup, you don’t need to say anything!
You know how many friends, family members and occasionally fan slips into the lockeroom of a Stanley Cup celebration? I have my doubts one of the players actually did this — though maybe at some point they saw it and laughed.
Patrick Kane said 4 of his buddies were there, I’d bet you there’s the culprit somewhere in there.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 11, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on his comments to the press, I wouldn’t put it past Adam Burish. But whatever, it’s juvenile—and ultimately, these guys are hockey players, not rocket scientists. We shouldn’t be surprised by any of this, nor really all that affected either. It’s not like Pronger doesn’t invite it on himself, but I do think cup winners should be more focused on their own celebration rather than the failings of others.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Thats hysterical, I dont care what anyone thinks.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
I agree. The uproar is ridiculous. If it was the Flyers you would be lauding how hilarious it was.
It’s still kids playing a game.
It’s not uproar—it’s commentary. Why can’t we discuss it? I don’t necessarily find it hilarious, as you say—I’d say it was unnecessary, given the circumstances, but I don’t think it’s the end of world, either. These kids get paid an awful lot of money to play this game, and should learn how to comport themselves, too.
Let’s stop letting people off the hook, shall we? If you were being paid millions, somehow I think you could find it within yourself to not act like a 12 year-old.
I wouldn’t find it funny if the Flyers did it, either.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Same. This is just weak.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
I’m going to go ahead and say that this link will probably be in the flyby, but here.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/06/11/broph_on_prongers/
“He had his chance during the series, didn’t he” Pronger said. “Why is he worrying about me instead of celebrating winning the Cup? Boy, it just goes to show how much I was in his kitchen for him to be talking about me five minutes after he wins the Cup.”
“I could care less what somebody on another team says about me. I don’t play this game to make friends. I play to win.
This station is non-operational.
Exactly
And anyone who hasn’t figured out that everything Chris Pronger does on and off of the ice is both designed to get under an opposing player’s skin and completely orchestrated is either incredibly naive or seriously stupid.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Unfortunately, no Fly By today. Sorry…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, obviously I'm missing something (not the 1st time by a long shot),
but: this is in the Hawks dressing room right after the game, right? And there are about 50 billion people in there, right? And we know beyond any shadow of a doubt just who wrote that, right?
Either way, trashtalking is just that…trash talking.
Cmon saying that somebody is gay was funny when I was 12. Being gay in sports is not an insult. I mean this guy is openly gay and he will crush you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Thomas_%28rugby_player%29
the fact that you know he is gay, is gay.
by Jackmehoeffer on Jun 11, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Sorry in advance if you guys don’t want Chicago fans around. I actually came here to see if anyone had posted this and wanted to read your reactions. If you don’t want Hawks fans in here, by all means I don’t plan on staying long. I just wanted to share my disgust about the trash they are talking about Pronger after the Cup is over. I mean I know he’s not an easy guy to play against. And I know his tactics are meant to irritate, annoy, and straddle the lines of what’s legal and what’s not. But no one on the Blackhawks should be surprised about this, at least to the point where they take time out of celebrating the Cup to rip on him.
Personally, I am a huge minority, but I respect the crap out of Pronger. The kind of person I am, I root for the people that find ways to do things differently, and maximize their strengths to get ahead in the world. I love the way that Pronger uses the media to his benefit and to get in his opponent’s heads. I love how he has his player or players to shutdown and he does everything he can to do so. He embarrassed Byfuglien this series. And he did get in the Hawks head.
I don’t know I won’t ramble. I guess I’m not surprised that Hawks fans hate Pronger, but I can’t believe more people don’t have more respect and appreciation for how he goes about his business. Not going to give the whole “you did great guys” speech that everyone hates to hear from the winner, but I do wish you Philly fans the best in the future. Philly has one of the top 2 fanbases in sports (can you guess who I think is number 1?)
by demafrost on Jun 11, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure you are not Towes Makes Funny Faces?
by Jackmehoeffer on Jun 11, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re not voted the most intimidating fans for nothing. ;) And don’t think we don’t relish that.
If Pronger was easy to play against, he’d be a terrible defenseman. If an opponent hates him, he’s doing well. Let me finish by saying, Thank you. Most of the ’Hawks fans coming over have been nice. It was one hell of a series.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
I’m surprised they even bothered to write down Leighton or Boucher’s name. Was waiting for Backup, and backup’s backup
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 11, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
it’s still disgusting to see them lifting the Cup…now that they won, all the shit-talking is taking place and there really is nothing to say because it will revert back to us losing and them winning. What a world!.
Karma better get these guys good next season.
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
if you don’t believe me go to yahoo and look at the article pertaining to this very picture. Hawks fans are being so gracious in victory.
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 11, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a look at Chicago’s salary cap situation for next season. That should make you feel a little better.
agreed
their cap situation is just laughable.
"I'd like to thank my hands for being so great." (Freddie Mitchell)
by PhillySportsDave on Jun 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well if it pans out like it says, but could be fluffed up. If it is…next year will be nice to watch them flounder and hopefully miss the playoffs completely.
Philadelphia Flyers/Columbus Blue Jackets...don't ask me how.
by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 11, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
HIGHLY doubt that'll happen
Here’s what gives me a lot of hope:
XXX – Toews – Kane
Brouwer – Bolland – Hossa
XXX – XXX – XXX
XXX – Fraser – XXX
Keith – Seabrook
Campbell – Hjalmarsson
XXX – XXX
Niemi / XXX
Buff, Sharp, and Versteeg. At least 2 of those guys will probably leave. IMO, Sharp stays because of his versatility and because Chicago has better wingers in the system than centers. Buff and Versteeg are replaceable. Kyle Beach will probably be with the club next year on wing. Huet won’t be in Chicago, whether it takes picks, a good player, or a buy out. Niemi will be resigned judging from the interview with Bowman today and I can’t see Scotty letting Hjalmarsson go.
That’s how it has to be done in the league now. Keep the core, replace the rest with prospects and role players.
How much
will you be paying to re-sign Hjalmarsson and Niemi?
Say you keep Sharp on the team, including Toews’ Conn Smythe bonus, but not including the cost of Hjalmarsson and Niemi, that puts you at ~ 44.5 million with 10 players signed. You’ll be looking at getting 5 forwards, 3 defenders (including Hjalmarsson) and 2 goaltenders (including Niemi) with 12-14 million cap space. Say Niemi goes under market price for goaltenders these days at 3 million (he just won the Stanley Cup, which means as a UFA he would be 4 million at least). This means that in a worst case scenario you have 9 million left to deal with 9 players. That’ll be a major drop in depth.
If you buy out Huet a percentage of his contract counts against the cap. If you waive him then you lose his hit but get nothing in return. You would be very lucky to get a decent trade for him, because teams will know that he is nothing more than a burden for you and you have to get rid of him. But something has to be done there, because with Huet on the roster you would have 50 million taken with 10 players and your backup goalie signed. That is, with Huet in and Niemi signed, you would have 3.5 million to sign 9 players.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly why Huet can’t stay. He will be gone one way or another. And yes, teams will know we’re in a pretty tight situation and will milk the organization and go for lopsided trades. I don’t see Stan having too many problems with that as long as the core is together and he can sign Niemi and Hjalmarsson.
Speaking of them, I don’t think Niemi will get any more than $3.5 mil, and I think even that might be too high. Yes, he just won the cup but he is still only 26 and hasn’t really proven himself. He’s played one season in the NHL (61 games including the playoffs). Hjalmarsson makes around $660 thousand right now and probably won’t be making much more than 3 mil. He’s a solid defensive player but if you’re basing his performance on points, he might not even get 3 million (only 17 points in the regular season this year).
It seems like you’re basing depth off how much a player makes (the $9 mil for 9 players comment sounded that way, sorry if I’m wrong). Honestly, Buff, Versteeg, and Bolland wouldn’t be making the kind of money they are now if the offers went out in time last summer. Fortunately, the pipeline has some pretty good prospects so hopefully they’ll be able to step in and take over. I know they won’t be as good as the players they’ll be replacing, but that will come in time and I don’t see the team taking a huge drop in talent (there will certainly be a drop).
The one thing that helps us was winning the cup. I do believe players some might take a smaller salary in order to join/stay with the team.
Holy schnikies…I was looking at the NHLNumbers estimates, and here’s another illustration of their problem, based on who they have signed (putting each player in their “official” position, not 100% on lines):
Sharp-Toews-Kane
Brouwer-Bolland-Hossa
?-Kopecky-Byfuglien
?-???-Versteeg
Keith-Seabrook
Campbell-Sopel
?-?
Huet-Crawford
Cap hit: $58.44 MM (Keith’s cap hit will be $5.551MM, Toews and Kane will each be $6.3MM after their extensions kick in). Since the highest estimated cap is $58.8 million, the Hawks are in cap hell. That’s without Niemi, Ladd, Madden, Hjalmarsson, or Johnsson, and with five slots completely empty. Cutting Huet would give about $6MM to fill six slots, which would include re-signing Niemi.
I don’t see a path forward for the Hawks without losing at least two of Versteeg/Byfuglien/Bolland/Sharp in addition to Huet.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Read my last comment.
Madden won’t be here. Johnsson is a rental and always has been and that has been known since he was signed. Huet will be gone. Ladd will probably be gone too. Sopel is probably on the way out, thought I wouldn’t be surprised if he stayed either. Eager will be replaced by Beach (who may prove to be an upgrade at a lower cap hit). Versteeg and Buff are probably on the way out. Bolland/Sharp are most likely staying because Chicago needs good centers (and yeah, Sharpie is a winger but his versatility makes him very well suited for the Hawks).
Niemi and Hammer will take a discount to stay for another chance at the cup. Cap hell is a large exaggeration.
True, but that $58.44MM already doesn’t include Ladd, Madden, Johnsson, or Eager, since they’re all free agents.
Let’s start with my scenario above, and work through releasing and adding players. I’m even going to be favorable, and assume Niemi and Hammer sign for the minimum qualifying offers.
Starting situation: 9 forwards, 4 defensemen, 2 goalies, $58.44MM
First move: Drop Huet. 9/4/1, $52.815MM
Second move: Add Beach. 10/4/1, $53.69MM
Third move: Sign Niemi. 10/4/2, $54.558MM
Fourth move: Sign Hammer. 10/5/2, $55.265MM
Cap space is $3.535MM to sign 2 forwards and a defenseman. This is a best-case scenario; I doubt Niemi and Hammer will sign for a combined $1.5MM.
If we work from your numbers minus half a million each (i.e. Niemi makes $3MM, Hammer makes $2.5MM), we get instead:
Third move: Sign Niemi. 10/4/2, $56.69MM
Fourth move: Sign Hammer. 10/5/2, $59.19MM, Over cap
Fifth move: Drop Versteeg and Buff. 8/5/2, $53.107MM
Need 4 forwards and a defenseman for $5.693MM
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I REALLY love
How Philly fans can be so up in arms about a stupid thing like that, yet at the same time all you guys kept saying how you wished Chicago would burn down again.
You stay hypocritical Philly.
"They've done studies you know, 60% of the time it works Everytime."
When did we say we wanted Chicago to burn down again? I haven’t read anything like that on BSH.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 11, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to set the record straight, this was quoted from SCH
quote by campbell32
Q vs Laviollete in a post-loss press conference.
This is a microcosm for the difference between our 2 teams. Humility vs pissed off 3rd grader shit-slinging.
Fuck the fact that I’m a Hawks fan. I just plain want our kind of people to be rewarded instead of those d bags. If we win, Tazer and Duncs probably have charitable events and use their powers for good. Conversely, Pronger and Carcillo probably burn a church and lead a gang rape of some poor, homeless grandmother.
Give is a break karma. Please.
Then one of the members here, EREX21, made this comment
And yet does anyone wonder why that city burned to the ground once before? Because after reading that, I don’t wonder.
Now, if you read carefully you’ll notice that the first statement is a question, not a wish. You stay…well, I don’t believe anything will help here.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 12, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't read your comment
there’s a big glare my computer screen from the cup….
For all you young hockey players out there...
by dumpnchase55 on Jun 12, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now, let's stop being asses
Both fanbases have loud-mouthed fans. That’s pretty much the only real truth.
Yeah, that’s why I ignored the obvious troll above. “You’re complaining about a homophobic slur? You’re hypocritical.”
Seriously? Not only are both (all) fanbases guilty of having people like this, but both teams have idiots (Carcillo, meet Burrish) so all that really happens is “Their idiot said so and so most recently!” “Oh yeah? Well your idiot said so and so just before!”
It’s tired and lame. Someone made a slur about Pronger similar to what is written on middle school bathroom stalls. Laugh at it, be offended at the immaturity/homophobia, whatever. But get over it.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t trying to be confrontational, just correcting a mis-quote. Had I checked the profile I would have just let it go.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 14, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries. I wasn’t referring to you directly. And I’m very familiar with the first thing you quoted since allowing that to be quoted after Game 4 has one member of SCH saying I “instigated and initiated” the fight that broke out with a former BSH member saying “get out of here before I cut you”. So me and the arsonist/rapist theorist are well known.
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Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 14, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
or puke on a litte girl
when the hawks won. crap happens. it twas an amazing series.
Bash my face...........Hawks WIN!!!!!!
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