Grading the 2010 Flyers: Danny Briere
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 2:08 AM EDT
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To kick off the player reviews, one of the Flyers playoff heroes gets the nod. For a welcome change, the story of Danny Briere's 2010 season is one of redemption and not whether he lived up to his contract. While his regular season numbers appear rather pedestrian, the diminutive forward quieted his critics by scoring 30 points in 23 playoff games, finishing a plus-9. He certainly had his bad moments (Game 1 in Boston comes to mind) but he always responded with a huge goal.
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Looking beyond his pedestrian regular season numbers, his peripheral stats show he had a pretty solid year. He played against above average competition with below average teammates and still put up nearly two points per 60 minutes of even-strength time on ice. And even though he benefited from a favorable zone-start, he still was able to out-shoot and out-score the opposition.
Obviously, there are still negatives to Briere's season. For instance, this marked the 4th straight year of declining production for the highly-paid pivot. His goals per game have steadily dropped from 0.40 to 0.35 while his points per game have fallen from 1.21 to 0.71 over the past 4 years. In addition, only Scott Hartnell took more minor penalties than Briere throughout the season. Even when he doesn't get penalized, he still finds a way to get suspended. Unfortunately, Briere's "little-man syndrome" probably isn't going away.
Going forward, part of the problem could have been Briere playing on the wing. With Jeff Carter going down with an injury, Briere was able to get back in the middle and he quite simply excelled. The chemistry he found with Scott Hartnell and Ville Leino was plainly visible and hopefully the team keeps them together next season. And seeing as how Briere never went more than 5 games without a point last year, he should look to improve on his above-average season this past year.
How would you grade Briere's season?
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The yearly decline in point production
For his time in Buffalo and his first season with the Flyers he was a center and getting top line minutes. Injury bogged him down in 2008-09 and he returned on the third line with Giroux (could we see his points per 60 here though?), and in 2009-10 the whole team’s stats were lower. And as you mentioned he was playing on wing without decent chemistry until the playoffs. That said, I agree with the B.
I’m really thinking Danny Briere might have a big season in 2010-11 if he’s kept on a line centering Leino, stays healthy all season, and gets some more minutes. The 30 points in 23 games in the preceding playoffs is really a good base to start with. He was one point away from Gretzky’s record for most points in a Stanley Cup Final. Wayne. Gretzky. If it went to a game 7 and we didn’t get shut out, Leino and Briere would probably own the most points in a SCF and the most points by a rookie in the playoffs records respectively.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 2:43 AM EDT reply actions
You’re looking for who’s points per 60? Briere’s in 08-09, Giroux’s in 08-09, or Giroux’s this year?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Briere in 08-09 when he spent the end of the season on the third line (because we had good chemistry with Gags-Richie-Knuble and Hartnell-Carter-Lupul)
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Briere’s PTS/60 in 08-09 was 2.63.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And what was his PTS/60 for 07-08 where he averaged 3 minutes 13 seconds more ice time per game?
(btw, where do you get all your advanced stats from?)
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I get them all from BehindtheNet.ca, or just click here.
Briere’s PTS/60 in 07-08 was 1.84, and he had less than one minute more ESTOI/G that year than this year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s what I expected. He had two huge seasons in Buffalo prior to coming to Philly, and I don’t think we can expect him to replicate that any more. However, while on first glance you see a downward trend in his stats over the last three seasons in Philly, the truth is that in 08-09 injury and reduced ice time affected him but he played fairly well, and in 09-10 the whole team was just flat out bad for large parts of the season. So it’s not simply a plain regression.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not a wing
Funny how both his bad year and Hartnell’s changed when Danny got back in the middle.
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Can’t wait to see him centering a Flyers line for a full season. His playoff performance was herculean. Legit Conn Smythe argument. Hope the injuries are behind him and he keeps that freakin’ stick down.
I dont know what happened more this season, Hartnell falling down, or Briere stick going up high.
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 13, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we had a plus/minus system here. I’d give him a B+ (or an A-, if I weighted the playoffs more highly).
He has several more good years left in him. I’m looking forward to having him play next year. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 13, 2010 7:01 AM EDT reply actions
That really has bothered me, but I see three options:
1) The 5 choice poll (A-F); 2) The 13 choice poll (A+ through F); and 3) The 1-10 poll Japers’ Rink is using.
If people would rather a 1 through 10 poll, we can change it. I just think 13 options are far too many, even if only 10 people will grade someone a D-
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That really has bothered me, but I see three options:
1) The 5 choice poll (A-F); 2) The 13 choice poll (A+ through F); and 3) The 1-10 poll Japers’ Rink is using.
If people would rather a 1 through 10 poll, we can change it. I just think 13 options are far too many, even if only 10 people will grade someone a D-
I understand why you set it up the way you did. :)
Why not leave it as is, and if any reader wants to award a plus or minus, they do it here in the comments section? How does that sound?
(Otherwise, I guess the 10 point system would be a good alternative – I agree the a 13 point system seems a bit much.)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 13, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The poll is so subjective as it is, I just think there should be some criteria for each option and in my mind C should be a baseline (pass)
ie A: far and away exceeded expectations,
B: above what you expected
C: what you expected
D: below
F: far below expectations.
That makes sense to me anyway.
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That’s honestly pretty close to what I was thinking, just not using “expectations” as the guide. More along the lines of performance: Great, Good, Average, Below Average, Terrible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ditto
i should state i’ve always liked briere as a player. i don’t count the previous season against him too much because he struggled with injury. he performed well in the playoffs last time we went to the EC Finals. this was really his first down year, but the same could be said for a lot of the flyers forwards. i’d likely weigh the playoffs more than the regular season in his case and give an A-, however, I round down.
A.
I think he had a ‘B’ regular season, but you can’t overlook what he did postseason and the promise for next season door that line with Hartnell and Leino. He makes defensive mistakes in game 1 against Boston, but then ties the game with a few minutes left. Hopefully the coaching staff and front office sees why he’s a center and not a winger.
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Geoff-
Can you post a glossary for the advanced stats for these posts, maybe as a fanpost so there is somewhere for those of us still getting used to the advanced stats that are used. I’m guessing TOI/60 is even strength since the number doesn’t match the total above, but I can’t figure out how to understand the Fenwick % and Corsi %. Is it compared to the team result?
That's a really good idea.
I’ll put one up.
But to answer your questions: TOI/60 is in fact even-strength only, and it’s in decimal form, not seconds.
Fenwick and Corsi are not compared to the team, but rather are Flyers shots/(Flyers shots + Opponent shots).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 13, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was so happy to see him not hesitate going into the boards and fighting for the puck this season.
It was a huge pet peeve to see him actually pivot away from the puck b/c he didn’t want to sustain contact with an opponent.
Thankfully that awful habit is no more, and his groin is healthy.
His Summer workouts with the “French Canadian Mega Muscle Man” is working well for him.
Will Gagne join the training regiment again? Will Giroux take part too?
Dannys stock has risen dramatically in the eyes of all the NHL.
If a situation arises, and he is convinced to waive this NTC, we would get a lot more in return for him now.
If he stays with the team, he no longer has a monkey on his back. Last season his return from injury was the catalyst for Upshall leaving town. Fair or not the lockeroom wasnt to happy about it, and danny playing at less than 100% didnt help. Finally he is truly gunning on all cylinders,and has earned a honorable roll and stature inside of the locker room.
Im happy for him, and glad he is a Flyer.
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Wasn’t he captain in Buffalo? I’ve always been a hardcore Danny defender for some reason, I think it’s because he’s really endearing. Maybe cause he looks like he’s 12, but speaks with the presence of his 30 some years. His interviews are the perfect mixture of game analysis and inspiration. He talks with a lot of class, espeically about his teammates. something I noticed Bill Clement pointed out in a PGL. He also got divorced recently, FWIW, I don’t know if that had anything to do with his average season+injury+playing at wing.
Yeah, I’ve also heard that he got divorced. I didn’t want to bring it up since that’s none of our business and I have all the respect in the world for Danny but I gotta imagine it affected him some.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what you have to look at is not only how good a player he is, but what he does to his linemates. I don’t think trading Briere is an option because of what he does for Leino and Hartnell.If you trade Briere, you are now unsure of what happens to the other 2 players. Keep Briere, it’s a foregone conclusion that there will only be 1 party boy left after the dust settles in Philly
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
I’m guessing you mean Carter and Coburn are gone?
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I don’t think Coburn is gone. I think the Flyers have figured out how to use him.
Also, depending on what Coburn wants (I don’t see him demanding the farm), it’d be stupid to trade him. You really think you can find his replacement for the amount you invested (Alexei Zhitnik) and what you plan to get in return?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 13, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well
you said that there was only going to be 1 party boy left (assuming thats Richards), and the big 4 was Richie, Carter, Coburn, and Lupul.
Also, I dont want to give up on Coburn, but if he doesnt improve from his horrific year, were still gonna need a 4th defender, because Coburn is a good 5 or 6.
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I consider three party people
Carter, Richards and Lupul
And what I’m saying is that the amount invested in Coburn is perfectly fine if he ends up being a 3rd pairing defensemen. We need defensemen through free agency, I’ll be curious to see what happens
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 13, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, was thinking that as I was reading, if he really has an off year again (though I believe one of the guys posted something down the stretch this year on how his numbers aren’t THAT much worse than last years) he’s definitely good enough to be a 5-6 guy.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 14, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, that’s an interesting thought. I’ve been thinking of who we could get as a 5th or 6th defenseman when we’ve had the guy the whole damn time, and it’s really the 4th guy that we need.
Great perspective man, I’m liking it.
And for the record, I think Coburn is the team’s 4th D guy.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny
was the one forward who was consistent throughout the year. the other players went from hot-to-cold more then a Katy Perry mix-tape. Yeah he didnt have the better statistical year, but at least he didnt go through some of the slumps other players went through.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 13, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Briere
Performance in the regular season IMO was about a C but his playoff run was an A++. Between Leino, Hartnell and Briere, they combined for 68 points in 23 games and a +23. If this line is kept together, can you imagine the numbers they could put up in an 82 game season? Providing Lav keeps this line together next season, which I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t. the NHL is going to fear them.
Let's face it, we squeeaaked into the playoffs on a shootout goal in the last game of the year
So the team had a not so fantastic year.
I know a lot of people go for the reg season stats and corsi’s and all and that’s cool for them but I guess I’m a throwback or something because what matters most to me is how a player performs in the playoffs so I didn’t pick a grade for the season.
To me, DB is a bigtime playoff performer and that’s fine with me. He showed up when it mattered and he, Leino and Hartnell were the catalyst that made the Flyers go.
For stepping up big and bringing playoff chemistry to the table, I give him the A++ too.
For those who like stats:
Danny Briere Playoff Stats
2005-2006 Sabres 18 GMS 8 G 11 A 19 PTS 0
2006-2007 Sabres 16 GMS 3 G 12 A 15 PTS +3
2007-2008 Flyers 17 GMS 9 G 7 A 16 PTS -3
2008-2009 Flyers 6 GMS 1 G 3 A 4 PTS -1
2009-2010 Flyers 23 GMS 12G 18 A 30 PTS +9
NHL TOTALS 86 GMS 35 G 52 A 87 PTS +4 17 PPG 11 GWG
35 goals, 52 assists, 87 points in 86 career playoff games over 5 seasons with the Sabres and Flyers (I’m ignoring the Coyote years) pretty much says it for me.
If the Flyers had been a 110 point regular season team I’d look at Briere in a different light, even given the non-season of injury that was 08-09 for DB, but as it is I think you have to grade him pretty much on the playoffs this year.
That line stays together and builds on what they created in the playoffs and the future does indeed look bright. Have to get some shades, dude.
I was thinking
Do we have that kind of playoff performer in Giroux as well? We’ve only seen two playoff performances from him so far:
2008-09: 6 GMS, 2 G, 3 A, 5 PTS
2009-10: 23 GMS, 10 G, 11 A, 21 PTS
But check out his performance in his last season in the QMJHL
2007-08: 19 GMS, 17 G, 34 A, 51 PTS <—— O.M.G.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you there
I always remind myself that it seems like everybody was a big producer in Junior, but even so it makes you dream of the potential, right?
I’ve heard a ton of times that every GM wanted Giroux as part of every trade possibilty but Homer consistently said no. Leino for nothin’, chicks for free. Well not quite Leino for nothing, but you know what I mean; and knowing what Giroux had going…maybe this Homer guy knows what he’s doing. Like I say: have to get some shades, dude.
by TopShelfTony on Jun 13, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Briere had an amazing playoff run, but I would not weigh that too highly. His conversion back to center has helped him, since he is such a small, speedy, and agile player and has caused him to find open spaces. Regardless, his regular season performance is not up to standard by any means, he is earning way too much money and not living up to it. Personally I would like to see them trade Briere after that playoff run than Carter.
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by worldphuckinchamps on Jun 13, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't rate his run too highly either
Except for two things:
1) He’s a career point-per-game playoff guy who ramped it up to 1.3 ppg this year. A career point per playoff game record is very hard to come by all by itself, but to increase it by 30% is a major prop-feast. (I’d take a 30% pay raise anyday.)
2) He had the most playoff points of anyone after he was put at center.
Makes me wonder: what if he’d been at center all year? I know, I know “what if”; but a jump from .7 to 1.3 is impressive in light of playing out of position and the first full season after major surgery and a long rehab — it often takes most (if not all) of a full regular season to feel right after that kind of a setback, especially for a guy whose skating game is so integral to his overall game.
by TopShelfTony on Jun 13, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
All good points, and it makes me wonder why it took so long for Lavvy to put Briere at center. Hindsight is everything, I suppose, but why not at least try it? I can’t think of too many (if any) regular season games I saw where Briere was at center…
I’m not sure either. Although I guess Richards was never moved out of center, and Carter was disagreeable to moving to the wing, so if Lavvy felt Giroux at center was working he wasn’t going to play around with the position too much.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense, I suppose. I wouldn’t have moved Richards, and I wouldn’t have moved Giroux either, but I sure as hell would’ve told Carter to man up and learn how to play wing. Especially if Briere can continue the way he did in the post-season next season. A healthy Briere at center looks to be substantially better than a healthy Carter, despite the comparison being unfair with the change in linemates (i.e., Leino).
I know what you mean, but I still think Carter’s the real deal so wouldn’t it be a mistake to make him play wing just like it was to make Briere do it?
by TopShelfTony on Jun 13, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but then what do you do? We have Briere locked up for longer than Carter, and it’d be substantially harder to trade Danny anyway. Where else do you put Carter? And this is all assuming we can keep Carter and sign Giroux and Leino (and I believe it’s far more important to lock those guys up than to hold on to Carter for one more season, after which we probably wouldn’t be able to afford resigning him anyway).
Why not use the Scotty Bowman method: the guy who’s “going” at center plays at center. The guy who’s not gets wing, and if he gets “going” at wing he gets first shot to replace the center who slips off at all.
Like riding the hot hand in net.
What say?
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 15, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Briere really doesn’t get over paid that badly for, he was signed on the open market so he has a high number, but compare that to guys like Gomez and Drury. He is a good player and underrated.
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I voted C
Mainly because I ignored the playoffs when making my selection and the numbers showed he had a pretty average regular season. Another 10 points or 20 less PIM would have upgraded him to a B in my books. Including the playoffs, he would get a B, but I consider all that to be bonus rounds and didn’t count it towards his grade.
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I like what Briere and Hartnell did in the playoffs. My only concern is where was that play all season? Consistency is the issue. I’d like to see better play all year, although I suppose as they long as they play strong when it matters, and as long as they actually make the playoffs, in the end it shouldn’t matter too much. Once the playoffs start, the season’s numbers are irrelevant.
I would like to see him remain more disciplined and focus more on his speed/play-making. I also prefer to leave him at center. If Carter is the odd man out, then so be it.
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Geoff or anyone with Salary cap knowledge I need your help. You can not just send a guy to the minors and lose his salary from you cap can you?
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He has to clear waivers, and if he does then yeah you can. If you try to bring him back up he has to clear re-entry waivers and if a team claims him they pay half his salary and you pay half for a guy who isn’t on your team. Not gonna happen here, but the Hawks may have to do it with several guys.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jun 13, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If you waive him and someone takes him on the way down are you still on the hook for something?
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No. You just lose the guy.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jun 13, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Two different types of contracts:
2 Way (Jared Ross, David LiLaberte, Oscars Bartullis etc.) can go up and down as we please with no waiver claim possibilites
1 Way ( RANDY JONES, everyone else in their second + contract basically): If you send him down, then he must clear waivers. If he doesn’t he’s totally off the books, if he does, he’s on your AHL team and his cap hit is gone. HOWEVER if you bring him back up and he clears then he’s back and so is his cap. If you bring him up and he DOESN’T CLEAR not only do you lose the guy to another franchize, but you also must pay half of his cap (Randy Jones took up around 1.3 million this year for us)
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 14, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
From what I’ve read it appears that that interpretation is a misconception. The concept of the two way contract is more related to paying different salaries in the NHL and AHL. So for example, the contract may specify that a player will be paid 25% of their NHL salary if they are in the minors.
The waiver eligibility is a bit more complicated, relating to age and games played.
The classic example is that someone like Patrick Kane cannot be just sent up and down whenever. He would have to clear waivers, because he’s paid a certain amount of NHL games. I still don’t understand it completely, but check out these links:
123: the first few comments show Hooks Orpik of Pensburgh clarifying
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 14, 2010 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It gets…complicated (heh – what doesn’t in the CBA?).
Skaters age 20 or under are exempt from waivers until age 23 OR playing 160 NHL games. If these players play 11 games in a single season, their exemption drops to 3 years (which matters only if they’re 18 or 19). Skaters aged 21 or 22 have 3 years of exemption, or 80 or 70 NHL games respectively. Skaters aged 23 or older are exempt until age 26, or 60 games for skaters under age 25. A first-year 25-year-old player is exempt only for his rookie season, regardless of the number of games played.
For goalies, it’s age 24 if they’re 20 or younger and 80 games, 25 if they’re 21, and 26 if they’re older. For any goalie 21 to 24, it’s 60 games. Playing 11 games or more reduces the exemption to 4 years if it’s more than that.
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Who are you thinking about?
Just curious.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 13, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I am arguing with some retarded new to the sport of hockey Blackhawks fans that are telling me they don’t have cap issues because they are going to send all there problems to the AHL and be off the hook for all of the salaries, PRESTO! Specifically Huet.
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Well, I mean… The Hawks are likely to send Huet to the AHL and it’s unlikely anyone claims him, but he has to go through waivers first. Still, that’s a $5.6 million AHL goalie, and that doesn’t exactly solve their cap situation.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 14, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey goalies are like quarterbacks, taking a shot at Huet and only being on the hook for 2.5 is probably better then at least ten situations out ther now. That is actually the least of there problems. They have 14 players signed and are 3 million over next years cap with bonuses and penalties. We should be plucking some fruit off that tree, like Versteeg or Sharp for wingers that we desperately need.
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You can have Versteeg, and Buff, too, if you want. I’m hoping we can hang on to Sharpy.
It’ll definitely be interesting to see what the front office does with Huet (buyout, minors, seeing if there are shmucks out there that want him)
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by shinkicker on Jun 14, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the secret’s out on Huet, i.e., Huet = little value for big money. It’s minors or buyout for him (most likely the first).
Versteeg is a good player, but he would probably want more than we would want to give him.
You can keep Big Butt Buff.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 14, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I like to hang onto that tiny shred of hope, because GMs do stupid things all the time.
But there will be serious number crunching across the blogosphere (and presumably the front office) comparing buyout vs AHL etc.
I have a feeling July 1 will suck though, no matter what happens. I’m just so fond of our roster. I’ve never really had this problem with baseball.
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by shinkicker on Jun 14, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, I certainly understand why you like your roster; without a salary cap, you would have the next dynasty.
I really like our roster here as well, but I also know changes will be made. It is, ultimately, a business.
Do what we all do and blame Bettman – or Crosby… ;)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 14, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Motion carried
It’s Crosby’s fault…again.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 15, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Be it resloved that from this point on
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I wish it was my idea — can’t remember where I read it — but I think it’s nothing short of brilliant.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
resloved=resolved, of course
No edit key, right?
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 15, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Buff is a mockery of a sham of a fraud. I am sure it is back to reality land for that no talent bum and that is a 3 million. And I though Hartnell was over payed.
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A travishamockery? I don’t like that guy, but that’s probably a bit of an overstatement. I just think he’s tremendously overrated.
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by shinkicker on Jun 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Finally
An offseason where I don’t have to defend Briere. LOL. He needs to play center, period. Flyers have to figure out a way to put him there.
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Agreed.
He’s a center – that’s where he’s productive. Let’s hope some other of our centers are willing to play wing.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 14, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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