Wednesday Morning Fly By: Backlund Officially Signed

by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT in Morning Fly By

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...

The Flyers official re-signed Johan Backlund to a two-year deal: [PostStar]
Speaking with Flyers goalie prospect Joacim Eriksson: [EuroFlyers]
The Flyers will play an exhibition game in Minnesota on September 25th. [USATODAY]
Thoughts on Mario Kempe staying in Europe: [EuroFlyers]
Video of Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin talking with Danny Briere: [YouTube]
The SB Nation NHL Mock Draft kicks off with a rebellion against authority: [The Copper & Blue]
The NCAA has some rule change proposals, some of which are pretty bad: [Puck Daddy]
Stating that Evgeni Nabokov shouldn't be a Shark unless he takes a Dan Ellis like contract. [Fear The Fin]

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Travis, you evil, evil commissioner!

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 16, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions

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by Travis Hughes on Jun 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Someone from BSH was quoted in Puck Daddy:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Trade-Carter-Goalie-headhunting-What-s-the-pla?urn=nhl,248858

Who was it? :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions

Try this link instead

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Trade-Carter-Goalie-headhunting-What-s-the-pla

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

hmmm, someone mentioned trading Carter for the #4 overall pick from C-Bus…that pick projects to be Cam Fowler or maybe they opt for Connolly instead?

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 16, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

overall pick (take Fowler) and Calvert?

Maybe…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Ehh. Fowler’s not NHL ready, so all you’re doing at the NHL level is opening up cap space while losing scoring and not fixing goaltending. You can use the money to get a solid #5 D-man to pair with the Wolf, afford Dan Ellis (since you no longer have the parts to trade for a goalie, and we’re assuming he’d be a more consistent Michael Leighton, no?) and an upgraded Arron Asham for that third line. And someone to fill in that spot on the top line. Of course, you fix the lack of top prospects in the system, but I think the organization’s still in “win-now” mode, knowing the situation after this upcoming season.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 16, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s all entirely true. But you then have three stud defensemen in the system (Bourdon, Marshall, Fowler) and cap space at the NHL level. Yeah, it is kind of a sideways move. I’m not sold on it, but I’m not opposed. Maybe if they throw in a 3rd rounder?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 16, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s projected to be Fowler, but I would take Gudbranson too if he falls.

A question: what do you feel Marshall and Bourdon’s ceilings are?

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 16, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m under the impression Marshall’s is higher than Bourdon’s. Marshall is more of a defensive defenseman and Bourdon an offensive defenseman, I think — or, at least in theory. Marshall had the stronger season in Adirondack, too, from what I’ve read from Tim McManus. One prospect we never talk about but should is Joonas Lehtivuori, who had a hell of a season.

All three are still a good year+ away from full time NHL action, probably.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 16, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, no one mentions Lehtivuori because no one knew about him before this season. He was the Phantoms best defenseman last year, too.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 16, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Having cap space is not necessarily a bad thing – it lets you take advantage of the trade deadline fire sales.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 17, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Having cap space is without a doubt a good thing.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions

That would be Travis

Your link is not working btw

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by boknows71 on Jun 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

The second one works.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions

It’s nice to see a little Asham bashing and a little less Leighton and Carter bashing… Sarcasm intended.

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions

“Asham Bashing” sounds like a band who would play at The Lagoon. They can open for The Nerds and Don’t Call Me Francis.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

How about opening for “The Shitty Beatles?”

"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette

by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

One of my old groups once opened for a band we dubbed “The Bad Strokes.”

They weren’t actually called “The Bad Strokes,” but that was what they sounded like.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jun 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

The Pens are starting games at 7 PM next year instead of that antiquated 7:30 crap. Hallelujah.

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by Travis Hughes on Jun 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions

Give them a prize

Oh damn, Bettman already gave them a 2nd Winter Classic game.

Get here early folks, buy your Crosby sweater and pretend you followed hockey before ’05.

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by boknows71 on Jun 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

A nice last look...

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/gallerylanding.htm?id=16004

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions

An interesting choice for the last team dinner, considering Boosh hates sushi.

by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 16, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Geoff just called me he is on the Walt Whitman ready to jump. Sushi for dinner pretty much means Boosh is going to get traded or shipped to Glen Falls.

by chrislanci on Jun 16, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Man…how much better does Carcillo look without that awful mustache?!?

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by Jordan Ellel on Jun 16, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

And with his mouth closed. I hope he keeps the Farrah Fawcett hair though.

by ohnickels on Jun 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

A fresh look at trading Jeff Carter courtesy of Ronnybrook from the BlecherReport.

He actually looks at recent trades involving big ticket players and points out how the seller always gets screwed.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/406031-philadelphia-flyers-trading-jeff-carter-would-be-a-gamble-at-best

by chrislanci on Jun 16, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

Woo-hoo! Let’s trade him right now! Wait, what?

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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish some people would proofread their posts…

I get a little put out that people consider Jeff Carter a 40 goal player. He’s reached 40 goals once in his frigging career.

Do we consider Patrick Marleau a 40 goal scorer now that he hit that mark for the first time this season? I mean who is on this magical 40 goal scorer list? Parise? Is Gaborik on it, he’s scored 40 twice in his career….Is Semin there now?

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 16, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s from Bleacher – the only thing worse than the poor grammar/spelling is the point they’re trying to make.

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by IcersGuy on Jun 16, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, he is only 25 and hit it. Gaborik has about 5 seasons where he would have scored 40 per 82 if he stayed healthy. But even if hes a mid 30’s scorer, I’d rather him be listed as a 40 goal scorer while hes being shopped around, to raise the return.

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by JpH89 on Jun 16, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

If you hit 40 goals you are 40 goal scorer. It is not like he wasn’t close with 33 despite missing several games he could have gotten there this year. I still and always considered Gaborik a 40 goal guy. HockeyOutsiders has a MarioD like hatred for Carter who did lead the team in both points and goals and broken feet during the regular season.

by chrislanci on Jun 16, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions

correction Richards got him by 1 pt for points.

by chrislanci on Jun 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I love Carter

and would rather trade Hartnell or Gagne instead, but:

A) the NTC’s that those two have

B) Carter will have the better return

But still, unless its for a top 5 goalie prospect or halak, I’d rather just keep who we have. If LA, Mont, or Van doesnt want to trade, It would be stupid to settle for less.

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Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it

by JpH89 on Jun 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

That was the point the Blecher report was trying to make. In any trade scenario for a 2 for 1 we would be giving up the best the player, hopefully we can pull another Recchi for LeClair and Desardjin. If not I am okay with just resigning Reechi.

by chrislanci on Jun 16, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Unless we can take advantage of a team like Vancouver knowing that their elite goalie prospect won’t make the NHL with them, or a team like Anaheim if they are having trouble signing Bobby Ryan.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 16, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

so then in your book Jonathan Cheecho is a 40 goal scorer too. I’m sure we can trade Ottawa for him quite cheaply if that’s the only requirement to be on the magic 40 goal scorer list.

I don’t hate Carter, I just realize that he’s a moveable asset to improve the team. Last time I checked hockey is still a business.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 16, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Jumping in here

Yes, Cheechoo is a 50 goal scorer because he scored 50 goals in a season. You can argue that he won’t ever do it again (and I doubt you will find anyone at all that will disagree with you) but you can’t go back in time and say that he didn’t do it. You can also look at his career numbers and say that year 2005-2006 was a statistical anomaly (it certainly looks like it was). Or you can look at other players who have scored 40 or 50 goals and claim that it is no big deal as you seem to suggest with Parise, Gaborik, Marleau, Semin though I’ll take any one of those guys on the Flyers or my Fantasy Hockey team (sans Gaborik too much injury risk).

If you want to argue that Carter is not a premier player or is worth more to the Flyers in a trade by all means. If you are going to argue what constitutes a 40 goal scorer (besides scoring 40 goals in a given season) then all your really doing is arguing semantics…

"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette

by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Truth in every point.

Usually I think saying I told you so is great. Who doesn’t like to be proven right when a lot of people say you’re wrong?
BUT…
I would HATE to be proven right on this one, but I know I am.
Trading Carter would be a huge mistake.

January 11, 1976

by TopShelfTony on Jun 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

My question is

That say we keep Carter. Which one out of Leino, Giroux, Carter and Gagne are you going to let go at the end of next season?

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 16, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

The good part about that is you can answer it next year and focus on this season.

"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette

by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions

My point is that it is unlikely that Jeff Carter will remain a Flyer for more than a season anyway. I’d much rather lose him in a trade where we get some good value (especially if Bobby Ryan’s negotiations continue to fail) than lose him in some salary arbitration mess in late July 2011.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Got that,

And my point is he is more valuable to this team now in the 2010-2011 then in any of the practical trades that are possible. Bobby Ryan is a nice pie in the sky kind of wish but he’s not coming here. Even in the 1-100,000 chance that Ryan does come here, I’d like to win a cup in 2011, not 2013…

"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette

by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Sadly,

though, it appears that pro sports management types have absolutely no use for my advice.
To be fair, I never indulge in the practicalities they have to live with like NTCs and salary caps and all.
My comments on Carter are not based on him being my favorite player or stats, their based on my gut feeling that:

Trading Carter would be a huge mistake.

You just knew I was going to say that.

January 11, 1976

by TopShelfTony on Jun 17, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I also believe it would be a mistake to trade Carter. There just aren’t any deals I see out there where we get quality value back for what we are trading away.

"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette

by PatterPoet95 on Jun 16, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin

Even 18 year old prospects can’t talk about Briere without bringing up his height.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 16, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions

Where's the respect

I was taught to respect my elders as a child. What’s up with this generation. lol. /taps cane on floor

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jun 16, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Ya, but who taught you that? It was your elders, right?

January 11, 1976

by TopShelfTony on Jun 16, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, so someone needs to teach these fricken kids. I’m teaching mine. Do your part, people! LOL

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jun 17, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions

I was always taught to respect my elders only when they were bigger than me.

"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette

by PatterPoet95 on Jun 17, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Man, you sound just like your parents

and I bet you told them you’d never spout that sort of crap to your kids.

January 11, 1976

by TopShelfTony on Jun 17, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Nah

I was a good kid, but I had to be. It was just me and my Dad growing up because my Mom died when I was so young. My parents acted more like children. There’s nothing wrong with being semi-responsible. If you know anything about me on here, you know I have plenty of other flaws.

"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko

by doubleh on Jun 17, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions