Jaroslav Halak traded to St. Louis Blues
There goes that rumor. What does this mean for the Flyers and their goaltending future? What does this mean for the stock of other goaltenders on the market?
Prospects Lars Eller, the 13th pick in 2007, and Ian Schultz, a third round pick in 2008, are the return. I'm stunned that's all it took.
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WOW
That IS a stunner.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
I guess it means Price is staying in Montreal?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
For Lars Eller and Ian Schultz. Eller’s a top prospect, make no mistake. Schultz is a bit sketchier (24+31 for 55 points and 150 PIM in 70 games in the WHL this season) … but either way …
How does this translate cap-wise for the Habs? Are they angling for another major move, in your opinion?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess they made this move knowing they could only keep one of Price and Halak, and they knew Halak would be way out of their price range (apparently Montreal hadn’t spoken to Halak’s agent Allan Walsh even once about a contract extension — oddly, neither did the Blues prior to this trade).
They have six forwards, 7 D-men (Subban has a 2-way deal though), and a buyout of Laraque on the cap for the upcoming season. So they need six forwards and two goalies, with $12.2 million in cap space. Pyatt, Sergei Kostitsyn, Pouliot and Lapierre (all forwards) are RFAs, though, as is Price. Figure one of those D-men has to be moved to keep Subban.
Assuming they’re okay with Price as their #1, the most they might do is try and move one of the more costly D-men (see cap hits here), perhaps for some offense, assuming they’re not going to do a full blow-up.
Yes, your last comment is what I’m mulling over – is this a sign of only making one other move for more offense, or is this a complete reshuffle?
It will be intriguing to watch…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone translate this to any equivalents in the Flyers’ camps? Although, I’m assuming we would have needed offloaded a salary that the Blues wouldn’t love.
Halak would have be goddamn spectacular in this system…
Like I said goalies don’t yield much in trades especially RFA goalies.
Eller is not on the same level as JVR or Giroux he is a European Prospect he is not a top 2 pick nor is he a 22 year NHL regular who is has a point per game playoff scoring average.
Unfortunately we don’t have any Eller types in our depleted system. I would say he was on Sbisa’s level from last year at least Sbisa played in North America.
Yep from what I know I agree with the Sbisa sort of rating, a 10-20 draft pick that hasn’t done anything special to indicate he was a steal (like Giroux) but looks like he could make a solid NHLer
I’m stunned that’s all it took too.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the good news of this is that acquiring a goalie of quality through trade probably won’t be as costly over the next few weeks.
so that means neither Price nor halak are coming to Philly.
by historywillbemade on Jun 17, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder what we offered…..obviously it wasnt enough…
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by Mitchell Green on Jun 18, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, from the teams interested, it’s also pretty clear that TB and PHI weren’t going to get Halak because both teams are in the Eastern Conference.
The SJ interest is intriguing, though. I wonder what that says about Nabokov?
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It says he’s old, expensive, and has a history of playoff failures, to quote someone around here whose name I can’t recall.
by Snevik on Jun 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean the Habs re-signed Price? If not, couldn’t another team come in and throw him an offer sheet?
They have until the 1st.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t trade Halak unless they were sure that they could sign Price
by historywillbemade on Jun 17, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You would think so, but another team could easily throw a monkey wrench into that process by tossing out an offer @ Price.
True and the flyers could do that but Habs have exclusive window until July 1st. I am willing to bet that they will sign Price within next week
by historywillbemade on Jun 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously...
if what McKenzie said is true and we were pushing for him, he was our first choice. With that option now gone, where do we look? Idk why but just looking at Bernier’s stats has me giddy. I’d love to see us move Carter for Bernier and a winger or a draft pick.
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The Blues offered Mason a 3 yr deal @ 3.25 million…he wanted $3.75 to get a deal done
That’s not going to work here, either. If he’s going to want that kind of a term (he’s 34) with that kind of money, I think it’s fair to say you can cross him off the Flyers’ list.
Agreed.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 17, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost seems like he’s pulling a Biron from last year. I hope he likes sitting around on Long Island.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah- I hear the Islanders just offered Emery a 17 year 85 million deal.
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 17, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Vokoun>=Mason >= Ellis>=Leighton
I’m pretty new, joined during the Final, but I was originally going to join in March when the Flyers were in Nashville to give a “scouting report” on the Preds since that is who I watch on TV here…all the games are on basic cable, and I go to a few Preds games each year though they are about 2 hours from me (note: while I usually modestly cheer for the Preds I heartily cheered the Flyers in March at the Arena and annoyed everyone sitting near me :-))
The reason I’m posting is that I’ve had lots of opportunities to watch Predator goalies, and they are all about the same. Given that several of the goalies we on this site are/have been interested in have Predator roots, you need to know that they have all had the disease Leighton is accused of here…inconsistency (note that the St Louis post called Mason “wonky” at times). My notation above in the title of the post is meant to be “greater than or equal to” meaning that maybe there is a hair difference between each, but it isn’t much, and on “any given night” Leighton might be seen as equal to Vokoun. Note that I think Barry Trotz is a genius, his system tends to highlight everyone’s strengths, and minimize weaknesses, with a grind-it-out style. It would be interesting to see what he could do if he was not saddled with Jason Arnott, David Legwand and Steve Sullivan as his offensive heroes (maybe Briere doesn’t seem so bad now? :-))
But I digress. I think if you could get Ellis for $1.5 like Geoff wanted, that would work, but otherwise, you are risking cap space for maybe not much upgrade. On the other hand, if you could get Dan Hamhuis for $3.25 (note: that’s just a bit more than Randy Jones cap hit from last year), grab him, and that will protect which ever goalie you have.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
If Ellis was available for just 1.5M/season and Hamhuis was available for just 3.25M/season, I would jump to get them both under contract. I’m thinking Ellis and Hamhuis will want at least 750K more each, but that’s just me guessing.
by memphisbrando on Jun 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. FYI, it was Geoff who was thinking Ellis at $1.5 (want to weigh in here, Geoff?). My original post said “$3.5” for Hamhis but I changed it given that I thought I’d be flamed since I know that the Flyers would be chewing up cap. But Hamhuis and Wolf would be a tremendous third pairing, and then you can go cheap on the goalie.
Memphis, guess you watch the unwatchable Fox Sports South analyst Terry Crisp (great Flyer in the Cup years, terrible homer analyst).
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I find Crispy entertaining, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted both Ellis and Hamhuis at the deadline, so if you can get both for a combined $5 million – doesn’t really matter how it’s split – I’d be really happy.
But the more I think about it, Ellis will probably cost $2-$2.5MM, so it’s unlikely they combine for $5MM. Either way, I still like both of them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I agreed with you, until I saw Hamhuis in the playoffs. He wouldn’t solidify our third pairing, and with that contract, no thank you.
Hmmm I didn’t see him in the playoffs. That bad?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Was he playing on the 2nd pairing in Nashville? The 3rd pairing competition that he would be playing against here he could be really good. It doesn’t take an All-Star to solidify a third pairing. Just someone who is steady and reliable. I rather add a guy like Andy Sutton if I had my choice. He personifies steady, big and shoot blocking is his fort-ay. A 4-man PK unit of Sutton, Pronger, Lappy and Betts would be very very good.
Pretty sure Hamhuis was a 2nd pairing D…at any rate NSH is uber-deep in D, so it’s tough to judge how good their dmen actually are.
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by red army line on Jun 18, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The chemistry between Weber and Crisp is unique … and I think I’ll leave it at that.
by memphisbrando on Jun 17, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is actually great news for the Flyers, IMO. I wasn’t that sold on Halak and I have no idea what the final number is going to come in at for him once he resigns ($4MM?). He’s a bargain at what he’s making now, but not when he resigns.
This drives down the price of any goalie prospect and I wouldn’t think it would take one Jeff Carter to get one…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 17, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
Tthese standards make Dustin Brown and Bernier for Carter look like an actual possibility. They might even have to throw in a number 1 to even it all out.
I was reading Quick instead of Bernier at one point. I’m not sure who is actually the better goalie…but I didn’t think Quick was even a possibility, but this makes me think he certainly is?
I’d kill for one Dustin Brown. He’s got a good contract as well.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 17, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know who is better either. I looked up their contracts and you’re right, they are very good. Both are signed for at least the next 3 years at a pretty low cap hit (Brown for 4 years at 3.175 mil and Quick for 3 at 1.8 mil). As much as I like Carter if they could swing him for both Quick and Brown and maybe a draft pick (maybe a dream, but depends on how he’s valued by the Kings), I would go for it, and it would give us 2 missing pieces we need.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 17, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad Halak is gone b/c I had zero interest seeing him in orange. I think this was the right move for the Habs moving forward as well. Maybe the return wasn’t high, but then again, what do you expect for a 5’11" RFA goalie that got really hot for half a season. The Habs have the better goalie of the future and a solid forward prospect in Eller who put up decent numbers in the AHL this year.
I’m praying that this ends a lot of the belief that goaltenders are somehow difficult to get. Can we end all the “Carter for Bernier and stuff!” nonsense? (unless that “stuff” is Anze Kopitar)
The only reason anyone in Philly thinks that goaltenders are difficult to acquire is because we haven’t won a Stanley Cup since 1975. Goalies are cheap and easy to get, and Paul Holmgren will literally never trade Carter for one.
Jonathan Bernier is listed as the 7th-best prospect overall on Hockey’s Future. He is the 3rd goalie prospect, behind Varlamov and Rask.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
And? Jeff Carter is a 45 goal scorer in the NHL.
Homer would never even trade Carter for Varlamov or Rask. He’d never trade him for Vokoun either, who is already in the NHL. Goalies just don’t fetch that much on the trade market. They don’t now, they never really have. Why is this such a difficult proposition for so many people here to understand?
Oh, here’s something Halak has over Bernier as well: he’s actually a NHL goaltender.
Carter has one year of over 40 goals. He had 29 the previous year, and wasn’t going to touch 40 even if he didn’t get hurt this year. I think Carter is a stud, and is far more valuable than just Bernier and “stuff”, but he has to put up close to 40 again before I even start to call him a 40 goal scorer. He still has some proving to do, it’s not like he’s Kovy, Heaters, or Ovie
here is the logical argument I was trying to make yesterday…
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jun 17, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Except history flies in the face of it.
Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Parise, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Malkin, Lecavalier, Heatley, Selanne, Jagr, Chechoo, Gagne, Gionta, Staal, Carter.
That’s every player to, post lock-out, hit the 45 goal mark.
Other than Cheechoo and Gionta (who both did it in that weird 05-06 season), is there a single player on there who isn’t a top sniper in the NHL? The skill level it takes to reach that level (especially at 25 years of age) is incredibly rare.
What about that list makes you think Carter is the third fluke on it and not the 14th star?
I think Carter is a 35 goal scorer at this point. I’m not saying he isn’t going to be a 40 goal scorer, I’m just not ready to call him that yet. Sorry if I like consistent results before I post labels as lofty as 40 (or 45) goal scorer after someone’s name. And Cheechoo and Gionta are exactly the reasons why I wait.
Also, Malkin had the one year with 47, and has been around the 30 goal mark outside of that. Stamkos, let me wait until next year to make a claim. Crosby be had a 39 and 51, it seems like if he wants to be a goal scorer he will be, so yeah I would put him up there. Parise 32, 45, 38…getting there. Vinny is not that caliber any more, so it appears with back to back sub 30 goal season, but who knows. I’d keep going, but I think you get my point.
Do I think Carter is a stud…yes…35 goal scorer consistently…yes…will I call him a 40 goal scorer…no, one year doesn’t get you the title.
Fair enough. And Henrik Zetterberg isn’t a Stanley Cup Champion because he’s only done it once and I want to see more consistency out of him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the idea he’s trying to put forward is that by saying “40 goal scorer” you imply that he’s someone who can go in every season or two and put up 40 goals. But we aren’t really sure that this is the case. He’s happy saying “35 goal scorer” because we’ve seen over the last couple of seasons that we can be confident of getting 35 goals out of Jeff Carter.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
35 goal scorer isn’t a mark used to classify guys. You are either a 20, 30, or 40 goal scorer. That is pretty much how it goes and you are arguing semantics.
That is the language of sports. Ryan Howard is 50 HR guys, he hit the mark once but is 47 and 48 is close enough. This is who how athletes are talked about.
Carter scored 46+33 = 79 therefore he has average 39.5 goals in over the last two seasons and is still on the upswing of his career. Hence 40 goal scorer.
I guess for hockey, I like to see a player do it for a few years, I know it’s semantics, but for trade value, and I’m a GM, I think of Carter as someone I can count on for 35 goals…if he gets hot, 40+, if he’s cold 30, that’s all I’m saying. I just don’t like that term put on players that haven’t done it for a few years in a row.
it’s not like he’s Kovy, Heaters, or Ovie
Carter doesn’t show up in the playoffs like those guys you mentioned but he does player better defense.
Ovechkin not showing up
I think that’s massively exaggerated, and more tall poppy syndrome than anything. But I won’t get into that.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 18, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ovechkin shows up in the playoffs. 10 points (5 goals) in 7 games this year, 21 points (11 goals) in 14 games last year.
He’s a playoff stud. Last year, the Caps only had 3 guys score 9 or more points in 14 games, this year they only had 3 guys score 5 or more. Their depth disappears in the playoffs, but not Ovechkin.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually posted my response before I was finished typing, so my argument looks flimsy at best.
Not only is Bernier a top prospect, but the Kings have some good “stuff” which they could part with. I would think they’d be willing to part with Bernier and a proven scorer for someone like Carter.
If the “stuff” the Kings parted with was good enough, I’d make that deal. They’d have to give me someone better than Jarret Stoll, but I’d do it.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But then even the problem there is that you have to hope Bernier lives up to his billing.
Carey Price, Al Montoya, Josh Harding, Kari Lehtonen, Marek Schwarz, Hannu Toivonen, Pascal Leclaire….
The world is littered with highly touted goaltending prospects. For every Cam Ward there’s three Ondrej Pavelecs.
While you’re entirely correct, I’m not sure your selection of goalies is apt. Al Montoya has only played in 5 NHL games, but he is 3-1 in those games. That’s not a bust, he just hasn’t been given a shot yet.
Carey Price doesn’t deserve all the hate, but we won’t get into that.
Josh Harding has a career .915 save percentage, and while that isn’t spectacular, it’s above-average.
Kari Lehtonen is decidedly average (.912 career save percentage) but can never stay healthy. Coupled with his #2 overall selection, and he’s disappointing, but not on the level of Alexandre Daigle. Or even Rick Dipietro (.905 s%, 13 games in the past 2 years, 15 year contract.)
Marek Schwarz – there’s a bust. Toivonen too.
Pascal Leclaire, while disappointing, is in Rick Dipietro territory: .903 s%, always injured, top-10 pick.
Ondrej Pavelec had a .906 s% his first year as a starter. Seeing as how bad his team was, I don’t think he’s a bust.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Harding, now there is someone we haven’t talked about that I would be interested in.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And just imagine the t-shirt possibilities!!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh we gotta sign this dude.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just grabbing a list of of various guys from Hockey’s Future past Top Prospect lists.
But the point remains, literally no NHL GM would ever dream about trading Jeff Carter for one of those guys. They’re mostly freely available talent.
yeah, the point still holds.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, I think Montoya would be an interesting player to go out and get. He profiles as the kind of guy who might just need a chance.
And he went to Michigan, so you know Ben and I love him already.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn’t Washington have Varlamov and Neuvirth? (i think that is his name) Could you pry one away from them?
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And Vancouver has Cory Schneider, Buffalo has Jhonas Enroth, Nashville has Chet Pickard, all of whom are stuck in the depth chart.
There are more goalie prospects than places for them to play.
Two problems with Pickard…(1) the Preds have been targeting Pickard for awhile and they don’t have $$ so they’ll want young entry level contract talent or draft picks. (2) Pickard has slightly disappointed in that he is taking longer than I think mgmt thought he might.
Both of those don’t work in Flyerland.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Yeah, I looked at Pickard’s numbers a little while back and it was… not good.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not specifically naming him as a guy the Flyers should go out to get, but more that he’s another top prospect stuck behind an established goaltender.
The law of supply and demand really explains why goaltenders are so freely available.
Understood, but this underscores my post in an earlier thread…be careful, since it appears that there is a fungibility with goaltending right now, with very few “really good” goaltenders and lots of “average” goaltenders (and serious arguments about who is good and who is average…Fluery as Exhibit A). This would be potentially writ large with unknown young goaltenders. Thus, I agree with the other posts that you can’t just trade Carter for a young goalie. However, this also brings back that question of $$$/productivity with the goalie given a constrained cap (and why Ellis or, gasp, Leighton might not be a bad option with a reasonable cap hit).
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you 100% and I think this is the point so many people are missing.
Really, the best strategy is to take flyers on lots of goaltenders and, when you hit on one, lock them up.
Sacrificing cap space or prospects or 45 goal scorers for a goaltender that you don’t know is going to be competing for Vezinas is just not an effective strategy in today’s NHL.
Schneider hasn’t looked too good at the NHL level. 10 GMS 0.887 SV PCT and 3.46 GAA with VAN.
Everyone who called Emery a major risk when we signed him including myself, trading Carter for any of those AHL prospects guys even Bernier who is by far the closest of the list to being a sure thing without the return of a top 6 forward would be a much BIGGER gamble.
If we were to trade Carter for Neuvirth, I’d also want Brooks Laich and a pick in that deal.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Actually, if the Flyers trade Carter for a young goalie, they also need to get a forward who can contribute right away.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Exactly why we also want Dustin Brown thrown in the deal and looking at it now after this trade we might be able to get more. This trade tells the Flyers two things. 1. price and halak are off the list, 2. Carter’s return probably got higher.
by historywillbemade on Jun 17, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Done
I think I’d do as high as a 2nd. Carter is RFA after next year, right?
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by red army line on Jun 17, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but I don’t want Brooks Laich even if my gf has a huge crush on him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown and Bernier alone for Carter would be sweet, but I don’t think it will ever happen. Not unless they get rid of Stoll or Schenn.
by memphisbrando on Jun 17, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be interested to read your reasoning for this statement.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 17, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Same
Because while Brown + Bernier I see as somewhat feasible, Kopitar + Bernier means the Kings send a 22-year-old 81 point scoring center along with an elite goaltending prospect for one 25 year old Jeff Carter. Impossible.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe their projected lineup at center for next year is Kopitar/Stoll/Schenn/Handzus. Conceivably, Stoll could be relegated to wing, but getting Carter would mean Stoll and/or Schenn would get bumped somewhere else in the lineup. Also, the Kings have loads of cap space this year, but may have problems resigning their RFAs next year — they won’t spend as recklessly as the ’Hawks did this year.
by memphisbrando on Jun 17, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant to have a “for the Flyers” in there. At which point, My justification comes from my opinion/times I’ve watched them play.
Ahhh...
All becomes clear.
I’d rather have Kopitar, though, because natural snipers are very hard to come by; and although I like Brown’s grit and leadership we have Richards.
And I hate the idea of trading Carter anyway. Surprise.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 18, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a statement that Brown is better than Kopitar… Wow.
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by PatterPoet95 on Jun 18, 2010 8:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering that at one time, it was speculated that it would have taken Giroux to get Price, I am shocked it only took Eller and Schultz to get Halak. Eller will be a solid 3rd line center one day, but may not develop into a 2nd or 1st line forward. Schultz is a throw-in. All of that for the player who single-handedly got the diminutive Habs to the conference final.
I guess goalies are a lot cheaper than we thought they’d be.
Here’s where I resist the urge to take a shot at Sam Carchidi. Montreal “wanting” Giroux in return for Price was, is, and forever will be a load of shit. It’s not even worth reporting. That’s like saying the Flyers “want” Bernier in exchange for Brian Boucher. Of course they do. Doesn’t mean they’ll be dumb enough to ask.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 17, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on?
Eller will be a solid 3rd line center one day
Everything I read/hear about him is that he’ll be a star.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 17, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
According to hockey's future
“Eller is projected to become a two-way forward, second line, in the NHL one day.” He’s rated 7.5 which means he’s bordering on first line potential, which is probably his ceiling.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Incidentally
Joacim Eriksson is also rated 7.5
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They mean different things, though. For a forward, 7 is 2nd line, 8 is first line. Both 7 and 8 are #1 goalie, just a difference in low-level #1 and high-level #1.
To give forward comparisons within our organization, Maroon is a 7, Nodl is a 6.5, and Kalinski is a 5.5
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Eller is a great player, and could one day be a star, but I’m not convinced he will become one. I do feel confident he will at least be a solid two-way player, but not yet convinced he will be a star. If he was already star material, the Blues would have called him up for more games last season.
by memphisbrando on Jun 17, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like two way players take longer sometimes. See: Zetterberg, Datsyuk. Even Richards in a way.
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by red army line on Jun 17, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter to St. Louis?
I’ve long felt St. Louis might value Carter. It might be a good fit for both teams — the Blues still have a ton of prospects, but lack that go-to guy to pair with Backes and Oshie. They really don’t have any premier goalie prospects, but I wonder if they’ve soured a bit on D Alex Pietrangelo (they signed defensemen Ian Cole and David Rundlad in the past few months). Don’t know if there’s a deal there, but some of the pieces seem to fit.
One thing that may have been forgotten, Halak is an RFA. So the Blues still have to sign him. If they don’t, they lose big time
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, in that case, Montreal looks like a bunch of geniuses.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that’d only be for a year, right?
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 17, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Those Carter for Halak rumors
from earlier in the season now seem well over the top.
Although I did see this post from Habs Eyes on the Prize:
So they give away a guy, unsigned, for two possibilities. They text Halak and say "Don’t sign". They trade Price to Philly for Carter and package of players, then re-sign Halak….
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Price to Philly for Carter and a package of players?
Right, because Carey Price for Jeff Carter straight up isn’t ALREADY a lopsided deal in favor of Montreal.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I just read the source, it was just a commentor not the site manager. Even so, that is a bit demented
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sorry I didn’t mean to imply that it was the site manager. It was definitely just a commenter.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
they don’t always have the best sense of value of assets outside of MTL.
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by red army line on Jun 17, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They are like Yankees fans in that regard, no?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Well, as far as I’m concerned, they’ve won plenty of them in their history. I don’t mind if they fail for a while.
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As mentioned previously by somebody, I would love to take Nuevirth from the Capitals. I’ve watched him in Hershey the past 2 years and he is definitely the kind of prospect that Jeff Reese could perfect over the next year.
Also, I have heard that the Caps are shopping Semin. Despite my hatred for the stereotypical russian player work ethic, I would love to see Semin as a Flyer. Carter/Gagne + low ceiling prospect for Semin and Nuevirth. I feel like it’s much more possible than Brown and Bernier… although it’s really just a pipe dream of mine because I doubt Semins salary would allow this to happen.
by Sals Stache on Jun 18, 2010 3:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
We are not ever going to trade with the Caps. They already have Ovie and Backstrom you want to give them practically our top line from 2008 to run behind them. Gagne-Carter-Knuble. Yeah that makes sense. Carter will be heading out West or to the state of Florida not a contender.
I think you misread—Carter OR Gagne.
There are much more desperate teams that the Caps can get players from, and much more flexible and worse teams the Flyers can deal with.
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by red army line on Jun 18, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we trade Carter
for this guy? I mean I know his career is over and I know he never played hockey. It will just make me feel, you know, better…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 18, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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