Flyers Trade Ryan Parent to Nashville for Rights to Dan Hamhuis
by Ben Rothenberg on Jun 19, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
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PrintThe Flyers have traded frequently scapegoated defenseman Ryan Parent to Nashville in exchange for the rights to Dan Hamhuis, who becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1st.
Rumors had swirled around Hamhuis coming to the Flyers around the trade deadline, but he stayed in Nashville through the end of the season and until his team lost to Chicago in six games. So already he has a lot in common with his new potential teammates.
Other Flyers whose rights were originally acquired from the Predators include Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell.
If the Flyers are unable to sign Hamhuis, they get a seventh round pick in the 2011 draft. So it could wind up being a trade of Ryan Parent for a seventh round pick, which I would have applauded as well.
So it's goodbye to Ryan Parent, and hello to a guy whose name I pledge to pronounce differently every time I say it. Upgrade.
After the jump, Travis inserts some extra reaction, including what this could mean for Braydon Coburn, the rest of the Flyers offseason, and what the initial reaction on this move is from the Music City.
So, if the Flyers are to sign Dan Hamhuis, what does that mean for the salary cap? Well, it's expected that Hamhuis wants about $4 million-plus, and if that's the case, the Flyers are going to be very close to the salary cap. Braydon Coburn needs a new contract this summer, so what does this deal mean for him?
Well, when you assume that the Flyers are going to have to re-sign guys like Dan Carcillo, Arron Asham and Darroll Powe (maybe not the same exact guys, but they'll need to hand out contracts worth the same amount of money), in addition to finding a starting goaltender and re-upping Coburn, it looks like they're going to be very, very close to the cap (if not over it) when all is said and done.
The deal could mean a few things, then.
- Coburn could be left unsigned. Hamhuis would then replace him, and well, despite Coburn's resurgence in the postseason, that'd be a nice trade off. He's a restricted free agent, so the Flyers would get some compensation.
- Another trade could be in the works. The Flyers could be attempting to move an expensive forward, someone like Jeff Carter or Scott Hartnell, perhaps. The deals might not be done just yet, and if that is the case, well... we can't predict that at all, obviously.
- The Flyers just won't sign Hamhuis, and if that happens, they're still getting a seventh round pick for Parent. Some people (hey, Ben) would be just fine with that, too.
Here's the reaction from the Nashville side of things over at On the Forecheck:
One big concern with Parent is his durability. Unlike Hamhuis, who was a steady presence in the lineup, Parent has battled groin troubles for over a year, playing just 48 games last season.
By the looks of it, I'd say Parent would be targeted for 3rd pair and penalty-killing duties. His overall results in 5-on-5 play look pretty awful, his PK work not so much. In the playoffs, he was sheltered by the coaching staff, playing less than 7.5 minutes per game.
Certainly this isn't a case of trying to obtain equal hockey value in trade for Hamhuis, but at least getting something back into the organization. Clearly, the Predators believe there's still potential for Parent, and his left-handed shot could prove a nice complement to guys like Kevin Klein and Cody Franson.
When all is said and done, and there is still a lot to be said and a lot to be done with this deal, it seems like the Flyers have won this deal. They've won yet another deal with the Nashville Predators.
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seriously though if he is expecting as much as a 4 mil contract, we are only going to get a seventh round pick
The real work on making this deal, will be with is agent.
Hope he decides to give us a discount.
Id like to see him in Orange & Black
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I
dont think were done trading just yet.
Pilgrim: Be gone pest, and give me the Bird
Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
Nashville isn’t either.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We better not be done for the season!
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 20, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it
thumbs up from me.
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He goes great with Giroux…
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I love that, cant wait till Hamhuis springs Claude on a stretch pass…
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we can have the Arm & Hammer pairing.
by Ben Feldman on Jun 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hahaha very nice. I cant imagen that they would split up Carle and Pronger though? So maybe if Carle gets a penalty Arm n Hammer could be on the same pairing.
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to hear Pronger’s off-the-cuff response to “The Standard Of Purity”, even if it’s only the classic Prongerian smirk.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Spit Balling
(Assuming Hamhuis signs, obviously)
I wonder what this does to Braydon Coburn. If the Flyers keep him he will be demoted to 3rd D pairing minutes and likely partnered with Bartulis, Krajicek or the offensive dynamo that is Danny Syvret.
Or does this mean that Coburn is now expendable. I think Homer likes Coburn and I doubt they are looking to get rid of him.
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If Coburn’s going to be a third pairing D-man, he’s going to need to take a salary somewhere between a typical second and third pairing D-man. I think he deserves more than that and I gotta figure he does, too. So I think Homer might end up moving either him or Carle.
I feel like Carle is shaping up into a stronger/faster Kimmo Timonen, and he could be here for a while. Many were disapointed with Coburn this year, so this could be it for him.
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
KT is 35: is Homer thinking keep Coburn and Carle (both 25) and Hamhuis (27) and move him?
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely not. Kimmo is an excellent value at a $6,333,333 cap hit, and he’ll still be an excellent value in the 2012-13 season, which would be the last of his contract and likely his last in the NHL, according to some quotes from him.
I didn’t think so either, but then I didn’t think Halak would go at all, let alone for that return — no slight to either prospect. And Primo D are hard to come by.
Well at least no one has suggested that aquiring the rights to Hamhuis is a good reason to trade Carter. Not yet, anyway.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If they want to sign both Hamhuis and Coburn (and keep Carle), they’ll need to trade a top-6 forward.
I’m not counting that as a “trade Carter” suggestion because:
a) no one but you knows what you are implying (though many will undoubtedly infer that that’s what you mean — but drawing inferences is in the “mind” of the beholder), and
b) there was no addition of the seemingly obligatory “for a goaltender” that’s so de rigueur with all the “trade Carter” rants.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope not. kimmo is a true class act and elite defenseman. i hope he retires a flyer. carle is good but i dont think his career will match kimmo’s.
I hope not too because I like him as well.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Whooo… I really, really like this.
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Carle/Prongs
Timmo/Hamhuis
Bartullis/Coburn/Kraijeck/Syvret… Who’s it gonna be?
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
If we keep him
Progs/Carle
Timmo/Colburn
Hamhuis/..Krijeck, or Bartullis
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!
by Prometheus74 on Jun 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Coburn did a decent job with Bartulis last year. Remember these pairings?
Pronger/Carle
Timonen/Krajicek
Coburn/Bartulis
They could now be:
Pronger/Carle
Timonen/Hamhuis
Coburn/Bartulis
Which would be fine with me. Flyers would need to sign a low-cost 6th-7th d-man off the market and there you go.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I wonder if this means Coburn is not going to get resigned? I hope that isn’t the case but I don’t know if they can afford to resign him and now Hamhuis. But if they do manage it, then we might have the best D in the league.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Regardless of what it means for Coburn...
I think it DEFINITELY means that Krajicek will not be re-signed.
See my pairings above. I could totally live with those.
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13.* The Philadelphia Flyers’ second-round pick will go to the Los Angeles Kings as the result of a trade on July 1, 2008 that sent Patrik Hersley and Ned Lukacevic to Philadelphia in exchange for Denis Gauthier and this pick.30
I know its off topic, but did we really do that?
by orangeandblack20 on Jun 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
We don’t have any first or second round picks for, like, a decade, right? /maybe I’m exaggerating
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Or even this summer…
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
We do — my bad. We have a first, third, fourth, sixth and seventh round pick in 2011. The second went to Phoenix along with Upshall for Carcillo and the fifth went with OKT to Detroit for Leino.
well I hope that Leino guy works out. I really liked having a pick in the 5th round
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Nashville
Just what the doctor ordered. Even if this means we can’t re-sign Coburn, Hamhuis will be a noticeable upgrade.
Check out the Hammer laying a vintage late 80s hipcheck on Dusten Bufflen from this years playoffs that ultimately led to a preds goal…
You'll enjoy those hip-checks
Hamhuis is one of the few guys in the league who can catch opposing forwards with a good hip check. Congrats on the deal…
More fun than a stick to the face!
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They don't call him Hammer for nothing
Hamhuis is mobile, smart and tenacious on defense. He’s not great on offense, but handles the puck pretty well. He’s worth $4M+, but I wonder how Homer fits this under the cap.
by memphisbrando on Jun 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
brilliant observation
So, it’s taken 3 years but it’s essentially Philly trades Peter Forsberg for Scott Hartnell, Kimmo Timonen, Dan Carcillo and Dan Hamhuis. Not too shabby if you ask me.
patcraven over at TSN
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Yeah. That’s pretty damn good for a player who would only play another 26 games in the NHL. And Timonen-Hamhuis was apparently an excellent pairing in Nashville, if that means anything with regard to Coburn.
Yeah basically we tried out part of the original trade, he failed and we pawned him off for Hamhuis, Holmgren please make this a summer like the one you had when you got lupul, smith, briere, hartnell, and timonen for absolutely jack. No trades like Upshall for Carcillo where we get nothing but cap space.
Nashville East!
I had season tickets for the Preds back in ‘06-’07 when I was in college.. Hartnell, Kimmo, Hammer, (and Tootoo) were my favorites then it’s great to have these guys on our team. Signing Hamhuis will immediately make Leighton or whoever our b-list starting goalie is for 2010 better because of his solid defensive play. Feeling much better about losing out on the Halak sweepstakes. Time to free up some cap space. Carter for Weiss and picks please.
Dammit all.
Dan Hamhuis is a fantastic talent and one of the best community-oriented guys in the NHL, and I wish him well in Philadelphia – but I think we got hosed.
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I can see the Flyers trading Hamhuis to a Western team before this is all said and done
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So much could still happen here, you’re right. I expect the Flyers to sign Hamhuis, but really, anything could happen. Something else has to happen, really.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. Would the Flyers still get the conditional pick if they trade Hamhuis? Cause technically it’s not the Flyers who would sign him then…
Rights to Hamhuis for Schneider, or something like that, perhaps? That would mean Homer turned a RFA #6 D-man into a seventh round pick and a goalie.
We been after this guy since the deadline nothing else is going down with Hamhuis get your jersey’s now because a long term contract is coming.
Something else has to go down, whether that’s the Flyers not signing Coburn or trading a forward or trading Hamhuis or not signing Hamhuis.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamhuis spoke highly of the Flyers when we talked 2 weeks back. He loved the makeup of the team and was definitely cheering for them over the Hawks.
We both live in Smithers in case you’re wondering.
Hell, a chance to play with Pronger? What’s not to like?
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve also read that Hamhuis played well with Kimmo when both were in Nashville, so there’s that.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What isn’t mentioned about Hamhuis here (that I’ve read) is that he is a great team guy. A real down-to-earth humble type of guy who loves being involved in the community.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They mentioned that stuff over at OtF, I saw. Great to hear.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the budget you have to work with
was there a real chance at extending/signing him?
This way you get a player in return, at least. (And one I think that will be a solid D for you in time, not that you care about that right now, of course.)
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Signing Hamhuis…that will not be an easy task.
I wonder if Joe Watson has a hand in this. 2 Smithers guys. You gotta love it.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously thought some other Eastern conference team (NYI/Wash/Car) would’ve offered the Preds more (like a 2nd rd. pick maybe?), but between the Halak trade and this one, it’s impossible for me to understand player values in this league right now.
On another note, every UFA defenseman left on the market can now ask for more as it seems one of the most wanted defenseman on the market will soon be off the market.
by memphisbrando on Jun 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He is UFA in two weeks what to your expect to get for a guy who is going UFA. RFA guys have much more value but with UFA’s you basically just got something for nothing.
To me that trade can mean 3 things. Either they wanna put pressure on negotiation with Coburn (or to both) and they will sign just one of them. Or they don’t want Coburn anymore and they won’t resign him. Or they will sign them both and they are preparing a trade (Carter if you ask me). Because I played with the numbers on capgeek and there’s no way they can keep every player they got right now. And that’s with Boucher and Backlund in the net.
Yep. This makes things much more interesting, though, that’s for sure.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If any of these things happen, my money is on letting Coburn walk because the team needs draft picks. Also, Coburn has been regressing if memory serves. Sure, he had a monster playoff year, but his regular seasons have gotten progressively worse from 2007-08.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This is so true. I’ve always been a little confused about the compensation aspect of things, but what exactly will we get back for Coburn if we let him walk?
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been trusting Derek Zona, using this link:
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/6/7/1481228/cashing-in-on-dual-offer-sheets
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So, a 2011 2nd- or 3rd-rounder, depending on what offer Coburn signs?
Fine by me.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He might even fetch a 1st and a 3rd. But the Flyers have to tender him first.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Preds just traded Arnott back to New Jersey for Matt Halischuk and a second round pick. Big-time changes, indeed.
Lou gets his big center back. Joy in Mudville.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Are the dominos going to really start to fall now?
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Arnott waived his NTC to make that deal happen. Interesting.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, take some Pepto Bismol because he’ll make more than $4 million
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
52.61+ committed with two forwards, one defensemen, and one goaltender to sign? Obviously moves are coming, but that’s a pretty good snapshot of the trouble we’re in if he sign Hamhuis. I like him well enough, but we don’t have the money he says he’s worth.
Doable considering that I think Jeff Carter’s 5 million is coming off the books, not sure why but I do think he will be traded.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jun 19, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooo...
… Kurtis Foster looks like someone we could use.
Inexpensive, gives you 20 points a year from the blue line, doesn’t commit a lot of penalties, and is big (6’5", 230 lbs).
Just sayin’.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Hell no! He’s staying in Tampa! Uhm…. I didn’t say anything.
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Oh, I see how it is, you lover of both the Lightning AND Flyers.
I recommend switching your favoritism to the Flyers, even if only because F comes before L in the alphabet.
Seriously though, it’s win-win for you if Foster comes to Philadelphia. You still get to root for him.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I love hockey in general and the Flyers in particular. I do wonder about KF's health though.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I figure that factors into his asking price.
Hey, the penalty for checking someone during an icing call is because of him! What’s not to love?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m more worried about his mental ‘health’… he lost an infant daughter not so long ago…
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He stays healthy and that PP will be a killer
if only because Vinnie’s going to have a big year IMO with Stevie Y and Guy B in place.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Pronger-Carle
Kimmo-Hamhuis
Foster-Bartulis
Figure the most Foster’s signing for is ~$900,000 (and Coburn’s somewhere else)? My god. You could stick a giant rock in the crease and, assuming it can keep its five-hole shut, we’ll be fine.
Exactly. My main concern with the 3rd pair is that we needed to get bigger back there (as well as more skilled). Krajicek was the most skilled of our 3rd pair guys but he was undersized.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Andrew Alberts, anyone?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be shocked if TB doesn’t sign him. He only made about 600K last year and scored something like 8 goals. He’s a bargain at anything lower than $1M/season. But if he’s on the market, the Flyers should give him an offer.
Another possibility if he doesn’t resign with Boston is Johnny Boychuk.
by memphisbrando on Jun 19, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!!!
Someone else who thinks Boychuk would be a fit with the Flyers. I’m reading that he’ll probably go at ~$1.5 to $2 on a multi-year deal so he wouldn’t be cheap but I like the idea. Of course if we can get Hamhuis the scenario might change rapidly.
January 11, 1976
by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It has been suggested to me that there’s no chance Jeff Carter will be odd man out in PHI. More likely to be someone else. Interesting.
That from TSN’s Bob McKenzie who knows what he’s talking about. Who else could that be but Hartnell? Certainly Gagne’s not going anywhere, nor is Briere…
Are we positive about Gagne, though?
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. No. But he’s just starting a family and really settling down here. I can’t imagine he’d waive his NTC. Plus I think there would be some people banging down the doors of the Wachovia Center to strangle Homer if he traded Gagne. I might be one of them.
Me too.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thirded.
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by kmblue on Jun 19, 2010 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fifthed (I’ve never written that word before, but, for Gagne, I will. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 19, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sixthed, hah. Gags can’t go, Briere won’t go, and as ice cold/red hot as Hartnell was this season, I’m dreaming of the Scotty/Danny/Ville line’s production for an entire season.
I really hope McKenzie is wrong here.
Eighthed. Richie will lift cup, will pass it to Gagne.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 20, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ninthed. (Even though I already expressed myself about it).
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I will Double-digit this
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by Prometheus74 on Jun 20, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Before the Finals, I was mentally trying to plot the order. I couldn’t decide if Gagne or Timonen would touch second.
Gags all the way.
He’s a lifer. As much as I love Kimmo*, there’s no question (for me).
*and I really do – he’s my phone background
I would certainly be there! No matter I live on the other side of the ocean. I WOULD BE THERE! Holy crap… I need some fresh air… Im getting scared.
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Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
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This also from TSN’s Bob McKenzie:
“Things likely to go down: Nathan Horton and others in Fla.; much in CHI; more moves in NASH; perhaps Spezza; more in PHI; Kaberle. Busy busy”
Stay tuned to BSH…
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Completely missed this from Panotch…
Hamhuis didnt want to come to Philly at the deadline because of the pressure to play here. What’s changed ?
Guess he changed his mind…? His quotes certainly sound like he would be happy to sign here.
Wait...what?
Why play at all unless you want to compete at the highest level?
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Seriously, that makes no sense.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m afraid that doesn’t pass the smell test.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And if he thought there was a lot of pressure on this team in March, when the majority of people who cared even a slight bit thought there was basically no chance of anything interesting happening in April, let alone May or June, what is he going to think of the pressure now?
I don’t think Hamhuis had a no-trade clause so it wouldn’t matter what he wanted — more than likely, the Preds couldn’t part with Hamhuis because they needed him more than Parent.
by memphisbrando on Jun 19, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Excited
"Game 7's are tough... It's a game that's made for men and our guys proved to be men today." -Laviolette
I see Hamhuis staying and being signed. They want to lessen Pronger’s minutes; this is the way to do it.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Such a good point.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 19, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Except you lessen Pronger’s minutes by having a third pairing you can trust. All early reports seem to favor Kimmo with Hamhuis, and we saw that Coburn-Bartulis didn’t work last year. I have doubt about whether Hamhuis-Bartulis would even work, not that we’d give him 4.5 to log third pairing minutes.
We’re solving the wrong problem again.
my guess, which is worth as much as a stanly nickle, is the coburn will not be resigned, and hartnell goes somewhere, most likely LA, who have made it clear that they wil not pursue Frolov, and would most likely want another RF plus scorer on that front line. Also say that our tird line will be bartulis and either syvert/marshall/mab.
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Yakko: We'd love to but the FOX censors wouldn't allow it
well.
if that’s the case then it’s still a solid upgrade on defense in my opinion. and if we can keep Carter in all this and move hartnell’s contract that would be something. of course the goalie question remains…
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jun 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see Marshall or Bourdon on the Flyers next year. They’re just not ready. Lehtivuori would be a better fit if he weren’t paired with Bartulis (too small).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Bartulis
Hamhuis-Lehtivuori
?
I know it’s not the traditional “top defensemen” set-up, but it keeps the smallest defenseman (Lehtivuori’s maybe 170) on the third line with a bigger defenseman, and Timonen and Bartulis are about the same size. It would also give three lines solid enough that we shouldn’t need to hide any of them.
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Yeah, but that doesn’t look like a Cup-winning defense to me…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
See if Aucoin will accept a one-year deal? He’s an UFA out at Phoenix who might be willing to take a low salary to be on a contending team one last time.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Boychuk anyway if he doesn’t sign with the Bruins before July 1st. Looks like he won’t because they’ll should be short on cap after extending Seidenburg. Fingers crossed.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
For the record
How do we pronounce this guy’s last name? Is it ham-hwees? Ham-hoose?
F it, I’m just gonna call him Hammy.
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“Ham-Hughes”, I believe.
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by TopShelfTony on Jun 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not Ham-House, like Karl Dykhuis?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, one for men, one for women?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that how it’s pronounced? I’m asking in earnest. I have no idea—I was throwing out suggestions.
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That’s how Karl pronounced his name, I’m 99.99% sure Dan doesn’t pronounce it that way.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Its Ham-huse, with a little variation depending on where you’re from. Only nickname is Hammer, because its obvious, and because of the ridiculous hip check.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want Coburn to re-sign now replacing Coburn with Hamhuis is like going from a B to a B+ but replacing Parent with Hamhuis is going from a D to B+ much more impactful.
dont agree with that
Coburn despite his bounce back in the playoffs has been continually regressing and he still turns the puck over all the time. Hamhuis is far superior. Replacing Coburn with Hamhuis is going from C to B or B+
Plus Hamhuis is too good to put along side of Timmonen, so rather than having to put Timmonen and Coburn together, you can split up Hamhuis and Timmonen and spread the wealth on defense a little more. Timmonen on the 2nd line and Hamhuis on the 3rd line.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jun 20, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want too much roster turnover. I think that hurt us some last year we didn’t keep any lines together losing both Knuble and Lupul. We were two wins away from the cup and CHI isn’t going to get any better with there cap situation, and Pittsburg is probably going to lose Gonchar who kills us. I would want to keep as much of the team together as possible to have the best shot next year before we are in cap problems again.
my feeling
some kind of big trade is in the works for a goalie or for a big time RW in which we move Hartnell + Rights to Coburn + pick.
Would Hartnell + Coburn + pick get us Vokoun? I mean the Panthers arent going anywhere. Goaltending wins in the playoffs but it doest get you there if you cant do much of anything else. Hartnell can still be a solid no. 2 offensive guy if he plays smart, and Coburn still has solid potential on defense and they get a pick to help them build. We get the number 1 goalie we’re looking for. Plus I’m not sure what Vokoun’s contract is, but wouldnt that trade clear up some cap space and help us sign Hamuis?
I also would like to see them move Carcillo to clear some more room. Powe can do the job on the 4th line with Betts and Lappy. And although I’d like to see us sign Recchi for the 3rd line, we might not have the room, so perhaps resigning Asham is the best move.
And if we’re not moving Carter, then I guess the 2nd line would probably be Leino-Carter-Briere. I mean unless you keep Briere as a center, but then Carter would have to be the center on the 1st line with Richie on the wing. And I think you have to split up the scoring numbers of Richards and Carter. So again you’re probably looking at Leino-Carter-Briere. Which is solid. But we would still need someone for Richards and Gags.
Depending on our cap room I think if we could get Colby Armstrong to rework his contract that would be the best case scenario. Armstrong was solid on the Pens, his numbers took a hit this year playing on the Thrashers with rookie Evander Kane. If you pair him with Richards and Gagne, he might rediscover his scoring ability.
But if we dont have the cap room, maybe we bring in Recci to play the 1st line with Gagne and Richards. I know Recchi is not a number 1 liner anymore, but we might not have many options and Recchi and Gagne have plenty of experience playing with one another. And Recchi is a grinder, tough guy to play against, and he can still be a deceptive scorer. It wouldnt make our top line by any means deadly, but surely an absolute pain in the ass to play against. And with the Leino-Carter-Briere line and JVR-Giroux-Asham line backing it up. That’s pretty good.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jun 20, 2010 7:32 AM EDT reply actions
What the hell is everyone’s freaking obsession with trading one of the few productive wingers we have. Do you not understand how thin we are there? Dan Carcillo played on our top fucking line last year. I love Carbomb, but that is a bit embarrassing. Stop trading 30 goal scoring wingers when we have 8 million centers.
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